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Re: Government Equipment Trust

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 28, 2009, at 11:13 AM, epoxy_tech wrote:

Hello: In going through a B&M freight conductors wheel report dated
Jun 1920, I ran into a reporting mark GET. I know that represents
an unassigned USRA owned freight car. In this case I found two of
them, both boxcars in the same train. The first was GET 2139
carrying boxes. The other was GET 21100 and it was carrying ice. I
didn't think GET cars would show up in revenue service. Could
anyone clarify this for me? Thanks, Al Campbell
Cars purchased for the USRA under the Government Equipment Trust went
to a number of different railroads in 1920 and were delivered in GET
markings, which survived until the railroads that accepted them
repainted and restenciled the cars. A mid-1920 ORER would probably
show the new ownership of the GET cars.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Government Equipment Trust

al_brown03
 

Hmm ... how clear is the "E"? I mean, any chance the cars belong to the Grand Trunk?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "epoxy_tech" <madchemep2@...> wrote:

Hello: In going through a B&M freight conductors wheel report dated Jun 1920, I ran into a reporting mark GET. I know that represents an unassigned USRA owned freight car. In this case I found two of them, both boxcars in the same train. The first was GET 2139 carrying boxes. The other was GET 21100 and it was carrying ice. I didn't think GET cars would show up in revenue service. Could anyone clarify this for me? Thanks, Al Campbell


Government Equipment Trust

Al Campbell
 

Hello: In going through a B&M freight conductors wheel report dated Jun 1920, I ran into a reporting mark GET. I know that represents an unassigned USRA owned freight car. In this case I found two of them, both boxcars in the same train. The first was GET 2139 carrying boxes. The other was GET 21100 and it was carrying ice. I didn't think GET cars would show up in revenue service. Could anyone clarify this for me? Thanks, Al Campbell


Ann Arbor photos

mcindoefalls
 

FYI, the Ann Arbor Railroad Technical & Historical Association 2010 calendar features several items of interest to this list. First, a lettering diagram for a 40-foot gon (the date is not clearly visible, but it appears to be from the 1930s). Then, individual roster shots of drop-bottom gon 9571, 40-foot boxcar 90080 (a USRA SS car, built 1919), and outfit car 4589 (a 1910-built double sheathed box). It sells for $10.00 from the AARRT&HA, P.O. Box 1691, Holland, MI 49422-1691.

Walt Lankenau


Prototype Rails 2010

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Well...I couldn't read it either. Try this...and I'll put it in the files.


PROTOTYPE RAILS


COCOA BEACH, FL, JAN 7-10, 2010


AN NMRA SANCTIONED EVENT


A PROTOTYPE MODELING MEET FEATURING

MODULAR LAYOUTS IN O, HO AND N SCALE


OVER 400 MODELS ON DISPLAY

PROTOTYPE BASED LAYOUTS


PLEASE BRING MODELS!


80 Clinic Presentations By The Following Clinicians

Mike Rose Tom Madden Gail Komar Dick Flock Joe Oates Ralph Heiss
Howard Goodwin Bill Darnaby Tom Bisset Larry Kline Bruce Smith
Andy Sperandeo Andy Harman Richard Hendrickson Dave Ramos
Marty McGurik Bob Webber Jon Cagle Frank Peacock Scott Mason
Ken Edmier Tim Maslyn Dan Zugelter Mark Amfahr Bob McIntyre Brian Nolan
Jeff Cauthen Tom Wilson Bill Schaumburg Greg Martin Steve Orth
Mont Switzer Tony Koester Tony Thompson John Cantlay George Eichelberger
Bill Welch Lance Mindheim Jim Langston III Roger Hinman Jared Harper
Ted Culotta Mark Vaughn Bob Miller Rick Bell John Roberts
Stan Rydarowicz Bob Johnson Jim Singer Frank Angstead
Harold McGee Mike Moore Mike Brock

Manufacturers & Dealers

Walthers, Rapido, Intermountain, Broadway Limited, Southern Car & Foundry,
Speedwitch Models, Tangent Scale Models, Westerfield, 5th Avenue Shops,
Funaro & Camerlengo, Bob's Photos, John C. La Rue Photos, Jay Williams
Photos, Mainline Photos, ACL/SAL Historical Society, Trolleys N' Dollies


Location

COCOA BEACH HILTON HOTEL, 1550 N. Atlantic Ave. [ highway A1a ], COCOA
BEACH, FL.

1-800-526-2609 or 321-799-0003. Refer to Prototype Rails for $99 Room Rate.


Preregistration is $35, Please make your check payable to "Prototype Rails"
and send to Marty Megregian; 480 Gails Way; Merritt Island, FL 32953.

There will be op sessions available on Thursday Jan 7 at John Wilkes, Tom
Wilson's and Mike Brock's layouts. Those wishing to join in a session should
indicate their choices in preregistration. Selection will be on a first come
basis. Visitation of local layouts will be available on Sunday.

For early arrivals, there will be a dinner at Durango's in Cocoa Beach
Thursday evening Jan 7, at 7 PM. We will meet in the Hilton lobby at
6:30.Following the dinner we will return to the hotel for slide shows and
clinics. A special dinner on Saturday, Jan 9, for Prototype Rails attendees
only will be available for $ 23/person. Tickets are required and must be
purchased no later than Saturday morning. Tickets may be purchased and
reserved in advance and included with the cost of registration. Registration
plus dinner is $58/person. Spouses not attending presentations do not have
to register.


FOR MORE INFORMATION: Contact Mike Brock at: brockm@brevard.net or
321-453-4140


Re: Update on PrototypeRails 2010

SUVCWORR@...
 

Jerry,

It is an Microsoft Office 2007 Word document (note the ending "x" on the file extension). Office 2007 designed for Vista, is not backwards compatible. you either need to acquire a third party translator or have Word 2007 to open and read the document.

Rich Orr

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I've spent more time trying to view this than building some of my models (slight
exageration). How do we view it? Or better yet, why not just an Excel file like
in the past?

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

I have placed the latest flyer including an update on the list of clinicians
that will perform at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach next Jan.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/PR2010FlyerWDOct14.docx

Mike Brock



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Re: Help needed - ATSF stock car paint scheme

peteraue
 

Thank you very much Andy, Bill and Richard for your advise. All roofs are brown now and I am looking forward to final assembly and lettering.
Peter Aue


Re: Update on PrototypeRails 2010

Steve Stull
 

Rich;
<www.openoffice.org>
Downloads for free, works like a champ.
Steve Stull--- On Wed, 10/28/09, SUVCWORR@aol.com <SUVCWORR@aol.com> wrote:

From: SUVCWORR@aol.com <SUVCWORR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Update on PrototypeRails 2010
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:48 AM













 











Can't open the document, Mike. You posted a Word 2007 formatted document which is not backward compatible with early versions of Word. Anyone who has not shelled out the money for an upgrade to Office 2007 won't be able to read this.



Rich Orr

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To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:19 pm

Subject: [STMFC] Update on PrototypeRails 2010



I have placed the latest flyer including an update on the list of clinicians

that will perform at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach next Jan.



http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/STMFC/ files/PR2010Flye rWDOct14. docx



Mike Brock



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Re: Update on PrototypeRails 2010

Richard Morgan-Fine <allisd1701@...>
 

Microsoft makes a Microsoft Office Compatibility Pack for Word, Excel, and
PowerPoint 2007 File Formats. This will allow you to open 2007 documents
with an older version and it is free.


By installing the Compatibility Pack in addition to Microsoft Office 2000,
Office XP, or Office 2003, you will be able to open, edit, and save files


Link Below


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9-4aee-
8f43-c6bb74cd1466&displaylang=en


(http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=941b3470-3ae9-4aee
-8f43-c6bb74cd1466&displaylang=en)




Richard Morgan-Fine





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SUVCWORR@aol.com
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Can't open the document, Mike. You posted a Word 2007 formatted document
which is not backward compatible with early versions of Word. Anyone who has
not shelled out the money for an upgrade to Office 2007 won't be able to
read this.

Rich Orr

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From: Mike Brock <brockm@brevard.net <mailto:brockm%40brevard.net> >
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:19 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Update on PrototypeRails 2010

I have placed the latest flyer including an update on the list of clinicians

that will perform at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach next Jan.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/PR2010FlyerWDOct14.docx

Mike Brock

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Re: Update on PrototypeRails 2010

SUVCWORR@...
 

Can't open the document, Mike. You posted a Word 2007 formatted document which is not backward compatible with early versions of Word. Anyone who has not shelled out the money for an upgrade to Office 2007 won't be able to read this.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Brock <brockm@brevard.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:19 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Update on PrototypeRails 2010










I have placed the latest flyer including an update on the list of clinicians
that will perform at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach next Jan.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/PR2010FlyerWDOct14.docx

Mike Brock




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Re: Update on PrototypeRails 2010

jerryglow2
 

I've spent more time trying to view this than building some of my models (slight exageration). How do we view it? Or better yet, why not just an Excel file like in the past?

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

I have placed the latest flyer including an update on the list of clinicians
that will perform at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach next Jan.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/PR2010FlyerWDOct14.docx

Mike Brock


Re: Wine Tank Cars

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Oct 26, 2009, at 9:04 PM, soolinehistory wrote:


No guesswork necessary. It was definitely a 6,500 gal. Type V (the
smallest of both the Type V and Type X cars were 6,500 gal., not
6,000 gal.).
Thanks, Richard.

Force of habit, I guess. The first place I ran into these cars (well, the Class X variant with the underframe)the Gregg reprint of the 1906 Car Builder's Dictionary, lists them as 6000 gal., obviously just the nominal capacity.


Sorry, I don't have these, so I can't help.

Richard Hendrickson
They're not lost, just MIA. They'll turn up.

Dennis


Re: Wine Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 27, 2009, at 8:02 PM, <steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

So when would a car like this have been removed from service?
Most surviving UTL Class V cars were retired in the 1930s, though
some were put back into service during WW II and a few lasted into
the early 1950s. In any case, most of the survivors were restricted
to carrying "non-regulatory" commodities - i.e., liquids that
wouldn't explode, burn, or corrode.

Richard Hendrickson


Update on PrototypeRails 2010

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

I have placed the latest flyer including an update on the list of clinicians that will perform at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach next Jan.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/PR2010FlyerWDOct14.docx

Mike Brock


Re: Wine Tank Cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

So when would a car like this have been removed from service?
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Richard Hendrickson wrote:
> Note that this car was built - and probably converted to a three
> compartment car - before the 1917 tank car specs. were adopted by
> the ARA.

I'm sure this is true, but lest it become accepted that double
rivet-row joints = post-1917 tank cars, I'd point out that the double
riveting was recommended as early as 1904, and at least some buyers of
tank cars did order their cars that way. The 1910 adoption of these
various "Class II" MCB recommendations as standard provided that HEAD
seams (the joining of the tank ends to the cylindrical body) SHOULD be
double-riveted, but that was not yet required until 1917.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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Re: Wine Tank Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Note that this car was built - and probably converted to a three compartment car - before the 1917 tank car specs. were adopted by the ARA.
I'm sure this is true, but lest it become accepted that double rivet-row joints = post-1917 tank cars, I'd point out that the double riveting was recommended as early as 1904, and at least some buyers of tank cars did order their cars that way. The 1910 adoption of these various "Class II" MCB recommendations as standard provided that HEAD seams (the joining of the tank ends to the cylindrical body) SHOULD be double-riveted, but that was not yet required until 1917.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Bituminous mystery car

PBowers
 

There is an old tank from a tank car at an abandoned plant in Owen Sound, ON Canada. Originally there were two but one was scrapped many years ago.

These cars in their last use was use to store bituminous (tar) by a local contractor. In the last years their has been lettering starting to appear though the silver paint and tar. While no number or id has appeared it appears that part of the wording on the left hand side includes "Bituminous." It looks like the same lettering is under the first so it is likely the lettering is from the days when it was in revenue service.

So my question is, does any one know of a company that lettered their cars with bituminous on the left hand side. Writing is more of a written italic like style although letters appear as individual letters.

http://www.uer.ca/locations/show.asp?locid=22114 and http://www.uer.ca/locations/viewgal.asp?picid=74497 show the tank car location.

Peter Bowers



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Re: Wine Tank Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks Richard. So that is an excellent spotting feature to
recognize a pre-1917 multi-dome rebuild tank car! :-)

Tim

At 10/27/2009 04:25 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:59 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

The majority of 3-dome tank car photos I have show two
rivet seams between each pair of domes where the interior
bulkheads are attached -- Yet a couple of them show (like
this car) only a single rivet seam. Wouldn't each of the
compartments require a separate bulkhead, instead of
sharing a single bulkhead? Is it because this car is a
rebuild?
Note that this car was built - and probably converted to a three
compartment car - before the 1917 tank car specs. were adopted by the
ARA. The intermediate rivet courses were in exactly the same
location as they were on the original single dome tank, so the easy
way to convert the car would have been to fit single diaphragms
between the compartments at the point where the tank and bottom sheet
were already drilled for rivets. Later conversions done in the 1920s
and '30s had two diaphragms between each compartment with a small air
space in between, as required by the more rigorous 1917 specs.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Wine Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 26, 2009, at 9:04 PM, soolinehistory wrote:

Richard,

Want to hazard a guess if it's a 6, 8, or 10,000 gallon car? If
it's a 6,000 gal, it would be an interesting conversion for the
Blackstone Models frameless NG car that has supposedly been
announced. From the look of the side bearings, it doesn't appear
to be a 10,000 gal car; photos show those bolster / saddle castings
to have differently shaped side bearing extensions.
No guesswork necessary. It was definitely a 6,500 gal. Type V (the
smallest of both the Type V and Type X cars were 6,500 gal., not
6,000 gal.). The internal diaphragms were even riveted into the tank
at exactly the same place as the original rivet courses for the three
section tank, so it would be a pretty easy conversion. How many such
cars there were is another question, however. Certainly not many.
I've never seen an in-service photo of one, though I do have one
photo of a Type X converted to a two compartment car (with domes the
same size but one compartment larger than the other).

By the way, when we were both talking to Bill McKown about doing
Van Dyke cars in brass, did you ever get a set (2) of my photos of
the one used as a storage tank at an oil jobber? I now can't seem
to locate the originals, and would sure like to have scans, if you
have the images.
Sorry, I don't have these, so I can't help.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Wine Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:59 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

The majority of 3-dome tank car photos I have show two
rivet seams between each pair of domes where the interior
bulkheads are attached -- Yet a couple of them show (like
this car) only a single rivet seam. Wouldn't each of the
compartments require a separate bulkhead, instead of
sharing a single bulkhead? Is it because this car is a
rebuild?
Note that this car was built - and probably converted to a three
compartment car - before the 1917 tank car specs. were adopted by the
ARA. The intermediate rivet courses were in exactly the same
location as they were on the original single dome tank, so the easy
way to convert the car would have been to fit single diaphragms
between the compartments at the point where the tank and bottom sheet
were already drilled for rivets. Later conversions done in the 1920s
and '30s had two diaphragms between each compartment with a small air
space in between, as required by the more rigorous 1917 specs.

Richard Hendrickson

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