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Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] 8 Hatch Canadian Reefers

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Dale and friends,

In Jim Harrison's SACRAMENTO NORTHERN GALLERY there is a photo taken circa 1956 of a short train at Lake Temescal near Oakland, California. The first car in the train is a GTW 8-hatch reefer. I thought it was a CN car until I put a glass on it last night and could barely make out the GTW reporting marks and herald. What it was doing in California is anyone's guess, but the train is eastbound, so it is probably and empty going home. All this shows that these 8-hatch cars are appropriate for U.S. modelers, and that the cars could even turn up on a road as small as the SN.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Re: EJ&E box car decals?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Tony! That makes the green EJ&E cars good for many folks on this
list. And if the statements that the orange over green cars came along in
1952, that makes the absence of all of these EJ&E box cars on the market as
all the more of a mystery!

BTW, nice job on the data for the article in RPCyc. I never knew there were
black SP gons in that group of cars!

Elden Gatwood

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Anthony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: EJ&E box car decals?



Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Also, I understand the earliest green box cars on the EJ&E happened
right after delivery of their Baldwin DT 6-6-20 center cab diesels,
which was in what year? And is this a true statement?
I don't know for sure if this statement is true, but the 1948 EJ&E box cars
do appear to have been solid green, and most of the center cabs were
delivered in 1948 (the first was built in 1946).
Whether there may have been earlier all-green box cars, prior to 1948, I
don't know.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: NYC box car that went far...

Robert kirkham
 

A couple of thoughts on that:

I think Bruce's point is that it needn't have been loaded on NYC or an affiliate. It could have been loaded on any line in any state. Of course, if rules were followed, the choice of route and destination were limited because of tariffs and other regs. re crossing the border. I certainly don't have a good handle on those rules. One of the rules I don't have any insight into is how the "shortcut" for US traffic heading between the Atlantic seaboard and the Mid-West across southern Ontario was dealt with in terms of customs tariffs etc. I wonder if it may have been defined with some sort of loop hole that allowed certain types of traffic to move all the way to the west coast within Canada. Idle speculation on my part until I do some research, of course.

Another point - my comments in an earlier e-mail about NYC traffic on the west coast relate to photos of CPR tracks in Vancouver. This shot is of CNR tracks several hundred miles north (on the line between Prince George & Prince Rupert). Assuming a west bound load, I suppose port traffic might explain that car there.

But really it is very hard to get beyond guess work.


Rob Kirkham

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From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:37 PM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC box car that went far...


Wasn't CASO affiliated with the NYC? Could the car have
been loaded on CASO rails in Ontario?

Tim O'Connor


At 10/29/2009 11:18 PM Thursday, you wrote:
"steve l" <stevelucas3@yahoo.ca> 10/29/09 9:27 PM >>>
On the CN main line in Houston, BC, summer 1950.--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/structures/index_view.cfm?photoid=8556284&id=37

Steve Lucas.

Steve,

Interesting photo, but I'm sorry, there is nothing surprising about
finding a NYC boxcar "far from home". Its late and I'm tired and so I'm
probably cranky, but how often do we have to say this???? Boxcars
basically operated in a national pool... OK, so this car is in Canada
and thus US car numbers would be lower, but since NYC has one of the
largest boxcar fleets in North America, there should be little surprise
that one would show up almost ANYWHERE on contiguous rails. The car is
most likely carrying a shipment from the US to BC, but that shipment
could just have easily originated in Seattle or anywhere else as
somewhere on NYC rails.

Regards
Bruce Smith
temporarily and grogily from Naperville Il


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I apologize for the fact that Outlook 2007 sometimes (but not always) adds
additional blank lines to my emails. It's just one more reason that I'm
slowly migrating to Gmail.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Wright Trak M53/M53A

Tim O'Connor
 

The car looked great to me, but I was intensely annoyed by
the cast-on ladder stiles. Completely ridiculous IMO. I'm not
going to pay $50 for a kit that I have to scrape off cast on
ladder parts. I hope a future edition of the kit will eliminate
this "feature" and then I'll be happy to buy them.

Tim O'Connor
Sterling, MA

At 11/3/2009 09:06 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Folks,

I was blown away by the fact that the model is set up to allow the
Duryea underframe to WORK! (if the modeler choses to do so) I think
that is an HO scale production first - isn't it?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL



Bruce . I designed the Duryea centersill as a separate piece that truly does
ride only on the crossbearers and bolster pad, a first in the industry (I
think). It even has the 10 "wear plates" that keep the centersill from
rubbing the various crossbearers and bolster webs. The only things missing
are springs on each side of the bolster/truck pad that would fit inside the
pockets.



As far as I know, this is a first time for the post-WWII Youngstown door and
the M53A class, easily distinguished from the M53 by a twin row of rivets
along the roof's rounded corners and a rivet strip across each end
signifying a 2-panel construction instead of the single panel on the M53.
The M53A was built in 1941; the M53 in 1937.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>


Sunshine kit 91.5 question

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

Group,
If anyone bought kit 91.5 (B&M/MTC XM-1 with the flat steel roof) at Naperville, will you tell me if it includes the early three panel doors in addition to the Youngstown door? Thanks.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA


Re: Speedwitch SR Gon Kit

paulbizier <pa.bizier@...>
 

Richard, et al...

Thanks for the advice. I've got a bunch of the Accurail truck (and Reboxx wheels) as they're appropriate for several of my SAL cars, so that's a good choice for me.

Paul

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:21 PM, paulbizier wrote:

I'm working through the "round tuit" stack of stuff in my closet,
and this is up next. Unfortunately, Ted's directions don't make
any truck recommendations. Do any of our "truck experts" have
suggestions for appropriate trucks?
Paul, I have several photos of these cars, both builder's shots and
in-service, and all show them with AAR U-section cast steel trucks
with spring planks. The Accurail 'Bettendorf" truck recommended by
someone else on the list is a good choice. Tahoe's spring plank
truck is better detailed, but the bolster ends are different from
those on the prototype cars.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: EJ&E box car decals?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Also, I understand the earliest green box cars on the EJ&E happened right after delivery of their Baldwin DT 6-6-20 center cab diesels, which was in what year? And is this a true statement?
I don't know for sure if this statement is true, but the 1948 EJ&E box cars do appear to have been solid green, and most of the center cabs were delivered in 1948 (the first was built in 1946). Whether there may have been earlier all-green box cars, prior to 1948, I don't know.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Wright Trak M53/M53A

Jim King
 

Folks,

I was blown away by the fact that the model is set up to allow the
Duryea underframe to WORK! (if the modeler choses to do so) I think
that is an HO scale production first - isn't it?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL



Bruce . I designed the Duryea centersill as a separate piece that truly does
ride only on the crossbearers and bolster pad, a first in the industry (I
think). It even has the 10 "wear plates" that keep the centersill from
rubbing the various crossbearers and bolster webs. The only things missing
are springs on each side of the bolster/truck pad that would fit inside the
pockets.



As far as I know, this is a first time for the post-WWII Youngstown door and
the M53A class, easily distinguished from the M53 by a twin row of rivets
along the roof's rounded corners and a rivet strip across each end
signifying a 2-panel construction instead of the single panel on the M53.
The M53A was built in 1941; the M53 in 1937.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>


Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] 8 Hatch Canadian Reefers

brianleppert@att.net
 

There was a three part article on "Canada's eight-hatch iced refigerator cars" in Railroad Model Craftsman Dec. 1995, Jan. and Feb. '96.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "devansprr" <devans1@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "steve l" <stevelucas3@> wrote:


Dale--Few of these cars were built before WWII. Both freight and express reefers were covered in an extensive series of articles in RMC a number of years back.

Steve Lucas.
Steve & Group,

Is the RMC series on these reefers, or on reefers in general. I have some reefer info, but it does not mention these 8-hatch cars. Which RMC issues (approximate)? My last attempt at the on-line index was less than successful. (one hit for Culotta)

There are quite a few 42'6" cars in the '43 ORER for the Canadian roads that look to be recently built. Any chance these are the cars?

Thanks,
DAVE Evans


Re: End of Naperville.

dh30973
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "pierreoliver2003" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Dave,
This past weekend was the last PMS hosted by Sunshine Models. It will not be the last PMS in Naperville.
It is my understanding that the gentleman who has hosted the Western Prototype Meet has stepped forward and will organize next years event. Hopefully we'll many more years of fun in Naperville.
Sunshine Models, will for now, continue offering models and I believe will be present at next years event.
Pierre Oliver
A point of clarification. Joe Delia is ONE of seven or eight people that combined that have hosted the Western Prototype Modelers Meet for the last five years.

Dave Hussey
WPM Committee


Re: [CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] 8 Hatch Canadian Reefers

devansprr
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "steve l" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:


Dale--Few of these cars were built before WWII. Both freight and express reefers were covered in an extensive series of articles in RMC a number of years back.

Steve Lucas.
Steve & Group,

Is the RMC series on these reefers, or on reefers in general. I have some reefer info, but it does not mention these 8-hatch cars. Which RMC issues (approximate)? My last attempt at the on-line index was less than successful. (one hit for Culotta)

There are quite a few 42'6" cars in the '43 ORER for the Canadian roads that look to be recently built. Any chance these are the cars?

Thanks,
DAVE Evans


Re: Looking for decals

al_brown03
 

Oops, strike "for 40-ton cars". The data are from various sets.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

For the SAL B-5, I've combined some of the Speedwitch set for SAL steel boxcars, with Champ data for 40-ton cars. 'Course this may be moot: has Sunshine released their B-5 kit yet? If so, see Jim Hayes's note in this thread.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@> wrote:


A little known fact is that Sunshine sells their decals separately. $3 for
one color decals plus $1 for each additional color. And there's no postage
charge for decal only orders. Go to www.sunshinekits.com/flyersbyroad.html
to find your model and look at the flyer for it, then go to the Contact
Sunshine page for ordering info. I know that at least the NP boxcars have
been done by Sunshine. Unfortunately the NP monads are separate decals for
the red and black so those decals will cost you $5.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
shaystark
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:07 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Looking for decals

I am currently on a boxcar building binge and I am looking for decals to
complete some specific cars as they roll through the paint shop in the next
couple of months. The cars I am building are HO scale and the period being
modeled is September 1950. I have looked through the available Microscale,
Odball and Champs sets. I can piece together champ decal sets to come up
with much of what I need but if there are specific sets produced from others
that would be a better fit for these particular cars that is even better. I
am looking for decals for the following cars and would appreciate any
suggestions:
Northern Pacific 14000 series double sheathed 40 foot 40 ton boxcar.
Northern Pacific 20000 series single sheathed 40 foot 50 ton boxcar.
SLSF Frisco 14700-14800 series single sheathed 40 foot 50 ton boxcar.
SAL 14000-16000 series B-5 single sheathed 40 foot 50 ton boxcar.
C&O 12000 series Rebuilt Steel 40 foot 40 ton boxcar.
Thanks for any ideas.
Shay Stark


I hate Outlook 2007

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

I apologize for the fact that Outlook 2007 sometimes (but not always) adds
additional blank lines to my emails. It's just one more reason that I'm
slowly migrating to Gmail.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: End of Naperville.

Greg Martin
 

Good Point Dave. I am personally glad you pointed that out because you guys
have a great TEAM at WPM.

Greg Martin


dhussey@cannonandco.net writes:

A point of clarification. Joe Delia is ONE of seven or eight people that
combined that have hosted the Western Prototype Modelers Meet for the last
five years.

Dave Hussey
WPM Committee


Sunshine website updated

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

I have added flyers for the new kits released at Naperville to the Recent
Flyers page of my website.



I'll get the Flyers by RR page plus the new Numeric Kit List and my All Time
List updated within the next few days.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon

www.sunshinekits.com


Re: NYC box car that went far...

Tim O'Connor
 

Wasn't CASO affiliated with the NYC? Could the car have
been loaded on CASO rails in Ontario?

Tim O'Connor

At 10/29/2009 11:18 PM Thursday, you wrote:
"steve l" <stevelucas3@yahoo.ca> 10/29/09 9:27 PM >>>
On the CN main line in Houston, BC, summer 1950.--

http://imagescn.technomuses.ca/structures/index_view.cfm?photoid=8556284&id=37

Steve Lucas.

Steve,

Interesting photo, but I'm sorry, there is nothing surprising about
finding a NYC boxcar "far from home". Its late and I'm tired and so I'm
probably cranky, but how often do we have to say this???? Boxcars
basically operated in a national pool... OK, so this car is in Canada
and thus US car numbers would be lower, but since NYC has one of the
largest boxcar fleets in North America, there should be little surprise
that one would show up almost ANYWHERE on contiguous rails. The car is
most likely carrying a shipment from the US to BC, but that shipment
could just have easily originated in Seattle or anywhere else as
somewhere on NYC rails.

Regards
Bruce Smith
temporarily and grogily from Naperville Il


Re: ACC Debonder and paint finishes.

Tim O'Connor
 

Denny

I have used it with a brush and Q-tip to debond parts on a painted
model. I wouldn't let it pool or evaporate on the model.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/3/2009 01:25 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
What have been Listers' experiences and measures of success (or not)
with using ACC Debonder to remove ACC smudges from painted surfaces?

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Looking for decals

al_brown03
 

For the SAL B-5, I've combined some of the Speedwitch set for SAL steel boxcars, with Champ data for 40-ton cars. 'Course this may be moot: has Sunshine released their B-5 kit yet? If so, see Jim Hayes's note in this thread.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:


A little known fact is that Sunshine sells their decals separately. $3 for
one color decals plus $1 for each additional color. And there's no postage
charge for decal only orders. Go to www.sunshinekits.com/flyersbyroad.html
to find your model and look at the flyer for it, then go to the Contact
Sunshine page for ordering info. I know that at least the NP boxcars have
been done by Sunshine. Unfortunately the NP monads are separate decals for
the red and black so those decals will cost you $5.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
shaystark
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:07 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Looking for decals

I am currently on a boxcar building binge and I am looking for decals to
complete some specific cars as they roll through the paint shop in the next
couple of months. The cars I am building are HO scale and the period being
modeled is September 1950. I have looked through the available Microscale,
Odball and Champs sets. I can piece together champ decal sets to come up
with much of what I need but if there are specific sets produced from others
that would be a better fit for these particular cars that is even better. I
am looking for decals for the following cars and would appreciate any
suggestions:
Northern Pacific 14000 series double sheathed 40 foot 40 ton boxcar.
Northern Pacific 20000 series single sheathed 40 foot 50 ton boxcar.
SLSF Frisco 14700-14800 series single sheathed 40 foot 50 ton boxcar.
SAL 14000-16000 series B-5 single sheathed 40 foot 50 ton boxcar.
C&O 12000 series Rebuilt Steel 40 foot 40 ton boxcar.
Thanks for any ideas.
Shay Stark


Re: Illinois Central Reefers was Re: Naperville

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

I currently have a link to a PDF of Stan's kits and parts list on the Links
page of my Sunshine website. Soon, maybe within a month, I'll have an
updated list with pictures of his models. Stan is like Martin Loftin and
doesn't have a computer. If Stan is doing a model of something that Sunshine
has already done, it's because he believes there's something wrong with the
Sunshine kit,

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

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