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Re: Gondola loads
CJ Riley
I have done this, myself using both TP and tissue paper. May I suggest various odd shaped blocks of any material. Things like empty disposable razor cartridges or similar material can be draped easily with the paper and provide a defined but unidentifiable shape.
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CJ Riley
--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Clark Propst <cepropst@netconx.net> wrote:
From: Clark Propst <cepropst@netconx.net> Subject: [STMFC] Gondola loads To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 1:35 PM I've been thinking of a load I can put in my new Tangent gon. one that would terminate on my layout. I have Central Valley through truss bridge members I can use. But, I'd like to try a covered load. I was thinking of a styrene base (so the car can be emptied) with several "tent poles" for lack of a better term glued upright. I would cover these with a single ply of toilet tissue. Then paint a proper color hoping the paint will make the tissue more rigid. Anyone ever try this? Clark Propst Mason City Iowa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Gondola loads
Yes, but instead of toilet paper, I've used tissues paper, paint does make
it rigid. Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clark Propst Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 4:36 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Gondola loads I've been thinking of a load I can put in my new Tangent gon. one that would terminate on my layout. I have Central Valley through truss bridge members I can use. But, I'd like to try a covered load. I was thinking of a styrene base (so the car can be emptied) with several "tent poles" for lack of a better term glued upright. I would cover these with a single ply of toilet tissue. Then paint a proper color hoping the paint will make the tissue more rigid. Anyone ever try this? Clark Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta
Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
"pierreoliver2003" pierre.oliver@sympatico.ca pierreoliver2003
Thu Nov 5, 2009 6:35 am (PST) Pierre Oliver writes- I've built 3 [vinegar car kits] to date.... Now, there might be someone's definition of true masochism! As you've yet to install the handrail I would suggest that you lookPierre, that is exactly my plan. The PSC (#32110) stanchions are pretty precise, enough IMHO to overcome the fact that they are a totally different article than those cast resin stanchions in the kit that supposedly replicate the prototype. I am also using PSC's 90º pipe elbows. I had presumed that I had the stanchions in inventory (left over from a previous project), but I did not- nor do any of the larger hobby shops from which I have made inquiry. When I talked to PSC directly, they mentioned that these stanchions have become a very popular item, which I would chalk up to the current high hobby interest in tank cars. Caboose Hobbies told me the same thing. These small PSC items become pretty pricey when one factors in PSC's $30 minimum mail order charge (shipping still extra!). Denny Denny S. Anspach MD Sacramento [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Naperville Proto Modelers Seminar photos
Eric Hansmann
Thanks Larry!
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Eric Eric Hansmann Chagrin Falls, Ohio Starting over in a new house: http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/
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Re: Rails Unlimited ACL K-7 41'6" Lowside Gondola
golden1014
Hi Jace,
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Contact me offline at Golden1014@yahoo. com when you're ready. I should have what you're looking for. John Golden Bloomington, IN
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Re: Modeling LCL
Jack Burgess
Clark...
On the Yosemite Valley Railroad, the head-end brakeman unloaded LCL at each station along the line as part of the work on the Local....the car was not left for a following train to pick up unless there was so much LCL destined to a single station that unloading it would have taken too long. In that case, that car would have been loaded entirely with LCL for that station and another car loaded with LCL for all of the other stations. The Local arrived at the end of the line (El Portal) around 3:00 am and LCL for that station wasn't unloaded until the following morning. Although most of the LCL was being dropped off, there were some pickups such as empty drums being returned to a refinery. The type LCL freight received at El Portal varied. The main customers were the Yosemite Park and Curry Company (primarily food, liquor, drums of salad oil, etc.), the National Park Service/Department of Interior (cartoons of papers, office furniture, etc.), and the El Portal Market (food). The Gardiners who owned the motel in El Portal were also recipients of cartons of beer every month or so. One El Portal resident received a couple cases of dog food each month (I found this interesting since we fed our dogs table scraps even in the 1950s). Other people were receiving household furnishings, etc. One report I consulted listed the number of items for each recipient, together with the weight of the freight. On one extra busy day (1/3/43) there were 56 pieces of freight totaling 2,179 pounds delivered over the line. Jack Burgess www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
Paul Lyons
Elden Gatwood said;
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Kits go for <$30, right? Elden, you obviously haven't bought any new resin kits lately! $40 is probably getting closer to the norm, with many reaching close to $50. Paul Lyons Laguna Niguel, CA
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From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, Nov 5, 2009 12:10 pm Subject: RE: [STMFC] Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit Jim; I look forward to reading more from others.Me, too. I am sure there are many bash possibilities, if for a few castings and some decals. Most mini-kits recently have been selling for $10-$12 and yet Tricia saysSunshine makes little or no money on them. I would guess it is irrelevant how little or medium sized the kit is, it is all in the time spent assembling stuff (castings, instructions, decals), and $10 doesn't cover it. Kits go for <$30, right? How much would you be willing to pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested?Well, here's the thing. You can't charge more than $20, since someone has to buy the basic core and extras (trucks, couplers), but you want to offer it at a reasonable price, so folks will build them. And, the decals make a huge difference; one color, minimial? Two color BILLBOARD? The price could vary based on how much resin and how complex the decals, right? A mini-kit with a few small castings and no decals could be $5. One with several (3-4) large castings and two-color decals might be $20. Mated with a $12 body core kit (Branchline) they have to obtain themselves, makes the whole thing sound reasonable.... One final thing: With all the amazing little military model conversions kits on the market (resin, etched metal plus decals), and RTR pre-weathered but highly detailed and era-specific military armor models (like Dragon Armor) out there on the market, why hasn't anyone in model railroading really ever taken either of these ideas and run with it? Have you seen those little 1:72 Dragon Armor tanks? They are like little gems! Beautiful! Hmmmm. Elden Gatwood [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Frank Peacock
Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
Frank had a photo in his Oil well presentation last weekend I has more information on that I gave Frank from memory. If Frank's on the list he can get hold of me off line. If he's not, anyone have his email?
Clark Propst Mason City Iowa
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Gondola loads
Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
I've been thinking of a load I can put in my new Tangent gon. one that would terminate on my layout. I have Central Valley through truss bridge members I can use.
But, I'd like to try a covered load. I was thinking of a styrene base (so the car can be emptied) with several "tent poles" for lack of a better term glued upright. I would cover these with a single ply of toilet tissue. Then paint a proper color hoping the paint will make the tissue more rigid. Anyone ever try this? Clark Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: NYC box car that went far...
Ross McLeod <cdnrailmarine@...>
Have you found a source that demonstrates the movement of empty USA cars into Canada for lumber loading? To what era does it apply?
JF Garden's British Columbia Railway page 90 - photograph shows the Milwaukee barge arriving Squamish from Seattle May 23, 1957 Official Guide December 1963: Island Tug & Barge - Railway car barge service local and interline between Seattle and Tacoma Wash. and Crofton, Duncan Bay, North Vancouver, Port Alice, Squamish, Victoria, Watson Island, Woodfibre, BC. Connecting at Seattle with UP, NP, MILW. Barge lines including Foss became "rail carriers" in order to participate in the thru freight rate structure. Vancouver Public Library archives VPL15152 shows a 1946 photo of a Great Northern forklift being used to load paper at Powell River, demonstrates the extent to which the Great Northern worked with Powell River. Vancouver library VPL 4143 "Great Northern Railway cars" are shown being loaded at Marpole in 1930 or VPL 3815 same area in 1923 - "American railway box cars at the Bernard Timber..". . January 1949 Railroad magazine page 16 shows a picture of a PGE barge "Inbound freight nears the end of its 42-mile journey up Howe Sound to Squamish Dock and the beginning of it's run over PGE trackage. Aboard the railroad's car ferry are some B&O boxcars: during recent months foreign traffic has increased along British Columbia's wilderness road." Mentioned only for the date. Ross McLeod Calgary __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
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Modeling LCL
Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
I'm about finished with a trailer to set by my freight house just like the big boys did. The company trailer advertizes "Dependable Daily Service"
There's a photo of Bill Daranby's layout in an ad on page 101 of the latest MR. Behind the engine is a 'Rider' car and next, with doors open, is a company box car with LCL. The idea is that the crew drops and/or picks up packages at the stations along the way. My current plan is we have an Eastbound LCL car set out by the through freight. The switch crew spots it at the freight house and blocks the car that was at the freight house for the next EB to pick up. I need to do the same with a west bound car. What we have is Bill's plan of just stopping for a few minutes for LCL verses my idea of having a car spend 24 hours in one town's freight house. Are both of they plans correct? If one or both are not. How would LCL be handled between stations and freight houses? Clark Propst Mason City Iowa Clark Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: Wright Trak CD instructions & Apple Computors
seaboard_1966
Bill
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We are working on that as we speak...Sorry about this mess guys. This is OUR, WrightTRAKS first attempt at using a mini CD instead of paper instructions. This will NOT happen again. Denis Blake
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From: "lnbill" <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: [STMFC] Wright Trak CD instructions & Apple Computors Denis & Gary: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.51/2482 - Release Date: 11/05/09 07:37:00
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Re: M53 instructions
seaboard_1966
Guys
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Anyone having trouble with the CD for the WrightTRAK car should email me. I will see to it that this gets taken care of. I am the one who burned the CD and was not aware that the PDF was supposed to be on there and not the word document. NO one told me different and I simply put the doc on there and not the pdf. The pdf with the heralds and what not arrived too late and we were not able to include that on the mini cd...This is our first attempt at using a mini CD and we obviously have to learn how to deal with them..Sorry for the confusion. This is NOT Jim's fault so please don't bother him with requests for the directions. This is a WrightTRAK project so get in touch with me. Jim is our contractor for this and several of our other and upcoming projects. We at WrightTRAK will be posting the instructions on our website so folks will be able to get them there. Also, if you contact me I will be glad to see that the instructions get email to you. Denis Blake WrightTRAK Railroad Models
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From: "Jim King" <jimking3@charter.net> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:26 PM Subject: [STMFC] M53 instructions There should be a .pdf on the B&O M53 mini-CD. The MicroSoft "Word" file -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.51/2482 - Release Date: 11/05/09 07:37:00
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Mini Kit Pattern makers: a kick in the pants
Bill Welch
You may be interested to know that some of the patterns for what Martin and Ted do, both kit wise and mini kits, come from people on this list. I have done three roofs, and a set of gondola ends for Ted and one full kit for Martin, along with revamping of two of his other offering to create additional kits. Now I have promised two things for Al.
I don't say this to brag but as a gentle prod. If you have built some resin kits, you have a sense of what the patterns need to look like to be cast up. Athearn undecs supply the rivets. Get going already, this is not rocket science. Bill Welch
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
Dennis Williams
Same here, Jim.
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From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 12:46 PM Of course, Steve, time has to be part of the cost of anything unless it's a labor of love. And even that gets tiresome after a certain point. Some years ago I sold Sunshine and resin kits as well as assembled models at local train shows. With the miniscule discount I got from Sunshine at that time, It was a labor of love. But I was evangelizing for resin kits. I sometimes wish I lived near Springfield, Missouri so I could volunteer my time at the Sunshine 'factory' to help speed up the output. Jim Hayes Portland Oregon www.sunshinekits. com -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of steve l Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:29 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Subject: [STMFC] Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit Jim-- I don't have any of Sunshine's mini-kits, but I'd venture that Tricia Lofton has included the value of her and her husband's time in stating that "Sunshine makes little or no money on them". I know an MMR who sold very nice craftsman kits. Amongst other reasons, he quit about the time that he realised that he was making less than minimum wage on them. Steve Lucas. --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@ ...> wrote: to pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested?------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.51/2482 - Release Date: 11/05/09 07:37:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
William Keene <wakeene@...>
Jim,
I will toss in my price point as requested... For a mini-kit with decals -- around $20 For a mini-kit with decals of a car that I absolutely had to have -- around $25 It all comes down to what car is being offered and what cars are required to complete the fleet being modeled. All of this gets to rather personal tastes and needs rather fast. Bill Keene Irvine, CA On Nov 5, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Jim & Lisa Hayes wrote: Great suggestions Eldon. I look forward to reading more from others. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
Of course, Steve, time has to be part of the cost of anything unless it's a
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labor of love. And even that gets tiresome after a certain point. Some years ago I sold Sunshine and resin kits as well as assembled models at local train shows. With the miniscule discount I got from Sunshine at that time, It was a labor of love. But I was evangelizing for resin kits. I sometimes wish I lived near Springfield, Missouri so I could volunteer my time at the Sunshine 'factory' to help speed up the output. Jim Hayes Portland Oregon www.sunshinekits.com
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steve l Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:29 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit Jim-- I don't have any of Sunshine's mini-kits, but I'd venture that Tricia Lofton has included the value of her and her husband's time in stating that "Sunshine makes little or no money on them". I know an MMR who sold very nice craftsman kits. Amongst other reasons, he quit about the time that he realised that he was making less than minimum wage on them. Steve Lucas. --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote: to pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested? ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.51/2482 - Release Date: 11/05/09 07:37:00
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Re: Train Fest
Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
And Jim, how about mini-kits from Smoky Mountain?
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim King Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:29 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Train Fest My hunch is that Milwaukee's Train Fest is targeted toward the general public with very little to attract modelers interested in resin kits. At least that's what I've heard since last year. Some year, I'll be at Naperville too but not until I've expanded my HO offerings since that is the main interest. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.51/2482 - Release Date: 11/05/09 07:37:00
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
Elden, $20 was the price point I was thinking of. Over $20 and I'd think
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twice (and then probably buy it anyway half the time). I think most of Ted's Speedwitch kitbash kits would easily lend themselves to being mini-kits. I too am constantly amazed at what's available to aircraft and armour modelers and lament "Why not us too?"
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:11 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [STMFC] Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit Jim; I look forward to reading more from others.Me, too. I am sure there are many bash possibilities, if for a few castings and some decals. Most mini-kits recently have been selling for $10-$12 and yet Tricia saysSunshine makes little or no money on them. I would guess it is irrelevant how little or medium sized the kit is, it is all in the time spent assembling stuff (castings, instructions, decals), and $10 doesn't cover it. Kits go for <$30, right? How much would you be willing to pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested?Well, here's the thing. You can't charge more than $20, since someone has to buy the basic core and extras (trucks, couplers), but you want to offer it at a reasonable price, so folks will build them. And, the decals make a huge difference; one color, minimial? Two color BILLBOARD? The price could vary based on how much resin and how complex the decals, right? A mini-kit with a few small castings and no decals could be $5. One with several (3-4) large castings and two-color decals might be $20. Mated with a $12 body core kit (Branchline) they have to obtain themselves, makes the whole thing sound reasonable.... One final thing: With all the amazing little military model conversions kits on the market (resin, etched metal plus decals), and RTR pre-weathered but highly detailed and era-specific military armor models (like Dragon Armor) out there on the market, why hasn't anyone in model railroading really ever taken either of these ideas and run with it? Have you seen those little 1:72 Dragon Armor tanks? They are like little gems! Beautiful! Hmmmm. Elden Gatwood
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
steve l <stevelucas3@...>
Jim--
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I don't have any of Sunshine's mini-kits, but I'd venture that Tricia Lofton has included the value of her and her husband's time in stating that "Sunshine makes little or no money on them". I know an MMR who sold very nice craftsman kits. Amongst other reasons, he quit about the time that he realised that he was making less than minimum wage on them. Steve Lucas.
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:
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