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Modeling LCL
Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
I'm about finished with a trailer to set by my freight house just like the big boys did. The company trailer advertizes "Dependable Daily Service"
There's a photo of Bill Daranby's layout in an ad on page 101 of the latest MR. Behind the engine is a 'Rider' car and next, with doors open, is a company box car with LCL. The idea is that the crew drops and/or picks up packages at the stations along the way. My current plan is we have an Eastbound LCL car set out by the through freight. The switch crew spots it at the freight house and blocks the car that was at the freight house for the next EB to pick up. I need to do the same with a west bound car. What we have is Bill's plan of just stopping for a few minutes for LCL verses my idea of having a car spend 24 hours in one town's freight house. Are both of they plans correct? If one or both are not. How would LCL be handled between stations and freight houses? Clark Propst Mason City Iowa Clark Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: Wright Trak CD instructions & Apple Computors
seaboard_1966
Bill
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We are working on that as we speak...Sorry about this mess guys. This is OUR, WrightTRAKS first attempt at using a mini CD instead of paper instructions. This will NOT happen again. Denis Blake
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From: "lnbill" <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: [STMFC] Wright Trak CD instructions & Apple Computors Denis & Gary: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.51/2482 - Release Date: 11/05/09 07:37:00
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Re: M53 instructions
seaboard_1966
Guys
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Anyone having trouble with the CD for the WrightTRAK car should email me. I will see to it that this gets taken care of. I am the one who burned the CD and was not aware that the PDF was supposed to be on there and not the word document. NO one told me different and I simply put the doc on there and not the pdf. The pdf with the heralds and what not arrived too late and we were not able to include that on the mini cd...This is our first attempt at using a mini CD and we obviously have to learn how to deal with them..Sorry for the confusion. This is NOT Jim's fault so please don't bother him with requests for the directions. This is a WrightTRAK project so get in touch with me. Jim is our contractor for this and several of our other and upcoming projects. We at WrightTRAK will be posting the instructions on our website so folks will be able to get them there. Also, if you contact me I will be glad to see that the instructions get email to you. Denis Blake WrightTRAK Railroad Models
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From: "Jim King" <jimking3@charter.net> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:26 PM Subject: [STMFC] M53 instructions There should be a .pdf on the B&O M53 mini-CD. The MicroSoft "Word" file -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.51/2482 - Release Date: 11/05/09 07:37:00
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Mini Kit Pattern makers: a kick in the pants
Bill Welch
You may be interested to know that some of the patterns for what Martin and Ted do, both kit wise and mini kits, come from people on this list. I have done three roofs, and a set of gondola ends for Ted and one full kit for Martin, along with revamping of two of his other offering to create additional kits. Now I have promised two things for Al.
I don't say this to brag but as a gentle prod. If you have built some resin kits, you have a sense of what the patterns need to look like to be cast up. Athearn undecs supply the rivets. Get going already, this is not rocket science. Bill Welch
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
Dennis Williams
Same here, Jim.
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Dennis Williams Munhall,Pa. www.resinbuilders4u.com
--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@verizon.net> wrote:
From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 12:46 PM Of course, Steve, time has to be part of the cost of anything unless it's a labor of love. And even that gets tiresome after a certain point. Some years ago I sold Sunshine and resin kits as well as assembled models at local train shows. With the miniscule discount I got from Sunshine at that time, It was a labor of love. But I was evangelizing for resin kits. I sometimes wish I lived near Springfield, Missouri so I could volunteer my time at the Sunshine 'factory' to help speed up the output. Jim Hayes Portland Oregon www.sunshinekits. com -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of steve l Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:29 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com Subject: [STMFC] Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit Jim-- I don't have any of Sunshine's mini-kits, but I'd venture that Tricia Lofton has included the value of her and her husband's time in stating that "Sunshine makes little or no money on them". I know an MMR who sold very nice craftsman kits. Amongst other reasons, he quit about the time that he realised that he was making less than minimum wage on them. Steve Lucas. --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@ ...> wrote: to pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested?------------ --------- --------- ------ Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.51/2482 - Release Date: 11/05/09 07:37:00 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
William Keene <wakeene@...>
Jim,
I will toss in my price point as requested... For a mini-kit with decals -- around $20 For a mini-kit with decals of a car that I absolutely had to have -- around $25 It all comes down to what car is being offered and what cars are required to complete the fleet being modeled. All of this gets to rather personal tastes and needs rather fast. Bill Keene Irvine, CA On Nov 5, 2009, at 11:29 AM, Jim & Lisa Hayes wrote: Great suggestions Eldon. I look forward to reading more from others. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
Of course, Steve, time has to be part of the cost of anything unless it's a
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labor of love. And even that gets tiresome after a certain point. Some years ago I sold Sunshine and resin kits as well as assembled models at local train shows. With the miniscule discount I got from Sunshine at that time, It was a labor of love. But I was evangelizing for resin kits. I sometimes wish I lived near Springfield, Missouri so I could volunteer my time at the Sunshine 'factory' to help speed up the output. Jim Hayes Portland Oregon www.sunshinekits.com
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of steve l Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:29 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit Jim-- I don't have any of Sunshine's mini-kits, but I'd venture that Tricia Lofton has included the value of her and her husband's time in stating that "Sunshine makes little or no money on them". I know an MMR who sold very nice craftsman kits. Amongst other reasons, he quit about the time that he realised that he was making less than minimum wage on them. Steve Lucas. --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote: to pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested? ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.51/2482 - Release Date: 11/05/09 07:37:00
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Re: Train Fest
Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
And Jim, how about mini-kits from Smoky Mountain?
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim King Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:29 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Train Fest My hunch is that Milwaukee's Train Fest is targeted toward the general public with very little to attract modelers interested in resin kits. At least that's what I've heard since last year. Some year, I'll be at Naperville too but not until I've expanded my HO offerings since that is the main interest. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com> ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.51/2482 - Release Date: 11/05/09 07:37:00
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
Elden, $20 was the price point I was thinking of. Over $20 and I'd think
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twice (and then probably buy it anyway half the time). I think most of Ted's Speedwitch kitbash kits would easily lend themselves to being mini-kits. I too am constantly amazed at what's available to aircraft and armour modelers and lament "Why not us too?"
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatwood, Elden J SAD Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:11 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [STMFC] Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit Jim; I look forward to reading more from others.Me, too. I am sure there are many bash possibilities, if for a few castings and some decals. Most mini-kits recently have been selling for $10-$12 and yet Tricia saysSunshine makes little or no money on them. I would guess it is irrelevant how little or medium sized the kit is, it is all in the time spent assembling stuff (castings, instructions, decals), and $10 doesn't cover it. Kits go for <$30, right? How much would you be willing to pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested?Well, here's the thing. You can't charge more than $20, since someone has to buy the basic core and extras (trucks, couplers), but you want to offer it at a reasonable price, so folks will build them. And, the decals make a huge difference; one color, minimial? Two color BILLBOARD? The price could vary based on how much resin and how complex the decals, right? A mini-kit with a few small castings and no decals could be $5. One with several (3-4) large castings and two-color decals might be $20. Mated with a $12 body core kit (Branchline) they have to obtain themselves, makes the whole thing sound reasonable.... One final thing: With all the amazing little military model conversions kits on the market (resin, etched metal plus decals), and RTR pre-weathered but highly detailed and era-specific military armor models (like Dragon Armor) out there on the market, why hasn't anyone in model railroading really ever taken either of these ideas and run with it? Have you seen those little 1:72 Dragon Armor tanks? They are like little gems! Beautiful! Hmmmm. Elden Gatwood
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
steve l <stevelucas3@...>
Jim--
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I don't have any of Sunshine's mini-kits, but I'd venture that Tricia Lofton has included the value of her and her husband's time in stating that "Sunshine makes little or no money on them". I know an MMR who sold very nice craftsman kits. Amongst other reasons, he quit about the time that he realised that he was making less than minimum wage on them. Steve Lucas.
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Train Fest
Jim King
My hunch is that Milwaukee's Train Fest is targeted toward the general
public with very little to attract modelers interested in resin kits. At least that's what I've heard since last year. Some year, I'll be at Naperville too but not until I've expanded my HO offerings since that is the main interest. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>
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M53 instructions
Jim King
There should be a .pdf on the B&O M53 mini-CD. The MicroSoft "Word" file
should not have been burned to the CD, only the .pdf, B&OHS stenciling diagram and John Cantley's photo folder. I didn't do the burning, so don't know what exactly got put on them. Jim King Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. <http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>
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Re: 8 Hatch Canadian Reefers
steve l <stevelucas3@...>
Tony--
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My observation of STMFC modellers' behaviour is that one often sees a car that they want to model or investigate first, then refers to the ORER. So the ORER not being entirely perfect is not an indictment of it or anyone. Rather, the ORER is but one very useful source of info for the STMFC modeller. There are certain inferences that we collectively make in gleaning info from the ORER or any other source. Sometimes these lead to anamolies. Steve Lucas.
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Re: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
I list two other Wabash mini-kits. On, from 2004, is for an 82000-82513 rebuild. The other, from 2008, is an auto service USRA clone rebuild.
Jim Hayes Portland Oregon www.sunshinekits.com
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Jim;
I look forward to reading more from others.Me, too. I am sure there are many bash possibilities, if for a few castings and some decals. Most mini-kits recently have been selling for $10-$12 and yet Tricia saysSunshine makes little or no money on them. I would guess it is irrelevant how little or medium sized the kit is, it is all in the time spent assembling stuff (castings, instructions, decals), and $10 doesn't cover it. Kits go for <$30, right? How much would you be willing to pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested?Well, here's the thing. You can't charge more than $20, since someone has to buy the basic core and extras (trucks, couplers), but you want to offer it at a reasonable price, so folks will build them. And, the decals make a huge difference; one color, minimial? Two color BILLBOARD? The price could vary based on how much resin and how complex the decals, right? A mini-kit with a few small castings and no decals could be $5. One with several (3-4) large castings and two-color decals might be $20. Mated with a $12 body core kit (Branchline) they have to obtain themselves, makes the whole thing sound reasonable.... One final thing: With all the amazing little military model conversions kits on the market (resin, etched metal plus decals), and RTR pre-weathered but highly detailed and era-specific military armor models (like Dragon Armor) out there on the market, why hasn't anyone in model railroading really ever taken either of these ideas and run with it? Have you seen those little 1:72 Dragon Armor tanks? They are like little gems! Beautiful! Hmmmm. Elden Gatwood
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Re: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
I'm fairly certain, I saw this kit on their rack at Naperville. At least I did look at a Wabash 50' steel boxcar mini-kit, maybe they have others.
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Brian Carlson
--- On Thu, 11/5/09, pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@sympatico.ca> wrote:
From: pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@sympatico.ca> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 1:59 PM I was pretty sure it is as you described, thus I'm throwing myself at the mercy of my fellow listers in the hopes of turning up a couple of those particular mini-kits. Hope springs eternal. Pierre Oliver --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@ ...> wrote:
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
Great suggestions Eldon. I look forward to reading more from others.
Most mini-kits recently have been selling for $10-$12 and yet Tricia says Sunshine makes little or no money on them. How much would you be willing to pay for a mini-kit such as you suggested? Jim Hayes Portland Oregon www.sunshinekits.com
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Re: Mini-kits WAS: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
All this discussion on these great potential models makes one wonder why no
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one has done a kit for them? There are certainly a lot of oddball resin kits I need less (or not) than some of the great mini-kits and uni-body kits that are "NLA". I have a few mini-kit ideas for some enterprising entrepreneur: 1) PRR X29D box car: 1949 on; mini-kit would comprise one 40' overhanging diagonal panel roof casting, and one side sill underframe casting, for use in bashing an 8' Branchline 40' box car. Kit would include Circle Keystone, and both Shadow Kstone lettering variants, plus instructions, P&L suggestions/diagrams, and truck suggestions. 2) P&LE 40' 1944 AAR variant box car: 1949 on; mini-kit would comprise one 40' overhanging diagonal panel roof casting (as above), plus detail parts, for use in bashing Branchline 6' door box car. Kit would include "Serves the Steel Centers" and Century Green lettering schemes, plus instructions, P&L suggestions/diagrams, and truck suggestions. What are some more? Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pierreoliver2003 Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:59 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: Looking for a Sunshine Mini-kit I was pretty sure it is as you described, thus I'm throwing myself at the mercy of my fellow listers in the hopes of turning up a couple of those particular mini-kits. Hope springs eternal. Pierre Oliver --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Jim & Lisa Hayes" <jimandlisa97225@...> wrote: ,in almost every case, when they're gone, they're gone. Although I have seen an occasional one pop up again. So, it's unlikely
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Re: Wright Trak CD instructions & Apple Computors
John Wark
Great point Bill. I just dug out the M53 kit that I purchased at Naperville
(great looking kit BTW) and sure enough, that mini-CD won't work with any modern Mac with the auto-loading slot CD drive. Hopefully Gary will post the instructions soon. John Wark On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 11:29 AM, lnbill <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
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Re: Wright Trak CD instructions & Apple Computors
Jack Burgess
Gary mentioned at the Naperville that the instructions would be posted on
their website. They aren't yet but neither is the M53 box car. Jack Burgess www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
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