Re: Modeling LCL
Box car LCL consolidators (freight forwarders) continued
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into the 1970's and maybe later. I'm sure they're still out there but using intermodal instead of carload. Tim O'Connor
Were not these firms acting as freight consolidators? and did
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Re: Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta
There are several types of eye bolts (wire & cast) that probably
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could be "kitbashed" if needed to simulate various types of pipe hangers that are not available. I know some folks have griped about the size of DA eye bolts but I actually have several different sizes from very small to rather large -- and I think they're all DA parts. This is a big advantage to buying from a hobby shop where you can look before you buy. :-) Tim O'Connor
At 11/6/2009 05:34 PM Friday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor writes-Tichy makes tank car pipe stanchions too, although I don't knowIf I am not mistaken, Southern C&F uses the Tichy stanchions- which do
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Express box brake system layout
Bud Rindfleisch
Hi,
Does anyone know of any diagrams or plans showing the underfloor layout of brake components, piping and train and steam lines on express boxcars like SP, and DL&W 40' steel cars? I'm guessing the reservoir, cylinders and AB valves had to be passenger train compatible. Appreciate any help. Bud Rindfleisch
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Re: Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta
Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
Tim O'Connor writes-
Tichy makes tank car pipe stanchions too, although I don't knowIf I am not mistaken, Southern C&F uses the Tichy stanchions- which do really look nice-, but also seem to be available only in Tichy's Tank Car Set (formerly Gould). These Tichy stanchions are similar to that provided with the Vinegar Tank Car kit, while the PSC stanchions have a slightly longer mounting flange with high relief rivet detailing. However, the wall thickness of encircling pipe holders are as follows: 1) Sunshine Vinegar Tank: c. 2.5"; 2) Tichy c. 2.0"; and 3) PSC 1-1/2". The rivet/bolt detailing on the PSC is superior, with the Tichy only very slightly behind. The Sunshine stanchions are cookie cutter plain. I am sticking with the PSC -lovely parts. Now (*now*)- and this is new wrinkle just noted on the photos enclosed with this ever-challenging car kit: None of the handrail stanchions along the sides of the car are actually mounted on the tank directly. They are instead all bolted directly on to strategically placed rod tighteners with plain pipe holders of stanchions that look like none of the above! Of course, there is no note of this in the directions; Although -with thought- such mounting makes sense, now -again, within sight of completion, the kit builder faces yet another unexpected demand on time, ingenuity, and the drive to replicate the prototype. Right now, my inclination is to look into mounting the stanchions on the bands securing the tank to the frame- certainly a common stanchion mount location on more numerous and less exotic tank cars. I will see what I might be able to do with parts photos. No promises. Denny Denny S. Anspach MD Sacramento
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Re: Modeling LCL
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Clark Propst, quoting Len Vick, wrote:
"Freight forwarders were a private business doing volume LCL for various points. Minneapolis had two of them, National and Universal carloading."Were not these firms acting as freight consolidators? and did they not complete their service by local trucking delivery? Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Masochism
Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
Tony,
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The list is dependant upon how many kits you are trying to build at one time. Fred Freitas
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Re: Modeling LCL
Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
I was corrected on one of my interpretations of one of Mark Vaughan's LCL definitions.
"Freight forwarders were a private business doing volume LCL for various points. Minneapolis had two of them, National and Universal carloading." Len Vick Clark Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: Masochism
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Fred Freitas wrote:
GUYZ,Gee, Fred, I never knew my usual microbrew should be replaced with powerful pharmaceuticals <g>. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta
Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
GUYZ,
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These are the kits that require prescription meds. Viagra --------- to keep your neck straight while manipulating small parts. Prosac --------- to maintain a joyful attitude toward the project. Valium ----------to relax once you put the tweezers down. Thorazine ------to keep you quiet the rest of the night. Failing to have the above items; try something about 120 proof before bed. That way you won't scare the family by swearing in your sleep. After 50 years of building railroad equipment my wife is certain I need all of the above, and a bigger magnifier to look throiugh. Fred Freitas dealing with resin disorder weekly
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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta To: STMFC@... Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 3:50 PM Can someone post a photo of the PSC #32110 stanchions to the photos area? Also a photo of the PSC brake line brackets (#??) Denny once posted some shots showing the brackets but they are very small and I can't really make out the bracket design. Tichy makes tank car pipe stanchions too, although I don't know if they are accurate for any of the Sunshine kits. Tim O'Connor Pierre, that is exactly my plan. The PSC (#32110) stanchions are
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Railshops H31A
Eric Mumper
Group,
Does anybody have more information on the Railshops PRR H31A? They were not at Naperville this year and I was really hoping they would come to market with these. The samples last year were wonderful. Eric Mumper
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Re: SP paint & lettering
Maybe it was one of the thousands of cars that stood under
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Missouri River floodwaters in Kansas City -- that could sure ruin a paint job! :-) Tim O'Connor
At 11/6/2009 03:56 PM Friday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:That particular car could have been repainted in the mid 1950's (theTim refers to the photo on page 48 of RP Cyc 17. SP discontinued
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Re: Masochism
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Can someone post a photo of the PSC #32110 stanchions to the photos area? Also a photo of the PSC brake line brackets (#??)Tim, most tank car upgrading or construction articles in recent years have used the PSC stanchions, including Ted Culotta's article in the July 09 RMC. Ted's close-ups should show you all you need. Their great advantage is that they are brass and thus STURDY, unlike the styrene ones by Tichy, etc. They can also be installed "right side up" or "down," depending on whether the prototype had the stanchions supporting the handrail from below or above. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: SP paint & lettering
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
That particular car could have been repainted in the mid 1950's (the reporting marks originally had lines above and below as was standard practice in the 1940's) so they may have decided just to patch it as the paint appears to be in excellent shape.Tim refers to the photo on page 48 of RP Cyc 17. SP discontinued use of the lines or stripes in February 1952, so the lettering clearly postdates that; and might date from any time up to the end of the spelled-out road name in the mid-1950s. Since the car was rebuilt in 1949, this repainting within a few years was likely the result of a repair. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta
Can someone post a photo of the PSC #32110 stanchions to the
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photos area? Also a photo of the PSC brake line brackets (#??) Denny once posted some shots showing the brackets but they are very small and I can't really make out the bracket design. Tichy makes tank car pipe stanchions too, although I don't know if they are accurate for any of the Sunshine kits. Tim O'Connor
Pierre, that is exactly my plan. The PSC (#32110) stanchions are
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Re: SP paint & lettering
Elden Gatwood wrote
That particular car could have been repainted in the mid 1950's (theThe photo of the B-50-12A in RPCyc has intrigued me. It appears they added a reporting marks originally had lines above and below as was standard practice in the 1940's) so they may have decided just to patch it as the paint appears to be in excellent shape. They were all the same size, although I can't vouch for the Microscale setI have an older Microscale SP set that contains several sizes of Billboard being correct. I do know the CHAMP lettering is the correct size, and isn't as "neon bright" as the Microscale lettering. CDS also did this lettering. I have a shot of B-50-24 SP #97714 - an "Overnight" box car -- that got a box car red repaint with Roman lettering Southern Pacific reporting mark, no medallion, and no bold road name. Totally spartan! Photos also show silver Overnight cars (repainted from original black) with box car red patches for the car number and no other changes. By the later 1950's most of the Overnight cars travelled freely around the country as plain ordinary box cars. Tim O'Connor
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ACL Lowside Gondola
Justin Kahn
Many thanks to those who provided me with the pdf from the SCL webpage, especially Larry Kline, Dave Sieber, and Jerry Glowacki.
I am now in pretty good shape when I get to work on my kit. One question (perhaps to Richard, who did the original article): what kind of brakewheel for the original vertical-staff mount? Jace Kahn, General Manager Ceres and Canisteo RR Co. _________________________________________________________________ Find the right PC with Windows 7 and Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/pc-scout/laptop-set-criteria.aspx?cbid=wl&filt=200,2400,10,19,1,3,1,7,50,650,2,12,0,1000&cat=1,2,3,4,5,6&brands=5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16&addf=4,5,9&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:112009
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Re: SP paint & lettering (was Tangent G-70-12 for other classes)
Sorry I wasn't clear.
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I meant fully repainted cars after 1957. I think the practice of partial repaints continued after 1957 so that some cars still got to keep their medallions w/ 1958 and later repaints. Certainly full repaints, and new cars, mid-1955-fall-1957 got both medallions and bold road name. A few cars even got gothic reporting marks, but that's another story... :-) Tim
FULLY repainted cars are easy to spot -- the medallion is gone andI'm not sure what Tim means to say here, but the SP lettering
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Re: SP paint & lettering (was Tangent G-70-12 for other classes)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Thanks again, Tony!
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Anthony Thompson Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:17 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: SP paint & lettering (was Tangent G-70-12 for other classes) Elden Gatwood wrote: The photo of the B-50-12A in RPCyc has intrigued me. It appears theyYep. I have a couple of images which show that. I have an older Microscale SP set that contains several sizes ofThe usual in the late 1950s was 24-inch high "S" and "P" with the rest of the road name spelled out in 16-inch letters. But there are instances of cars with smaller lettering when this large of a size would not fit. In 1962, SP adopted for awhile a gothic lettering with all characters in 24-inch size, but in the 1970s went back to the larger initials S and P (again, 24 and 16 inches). So the Microscale lettering (other than the standard 24/16 style) needs to be matched to photos to select the correct sizes. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: SP paint & lettering (was Tangent G-70-12 for other classes)
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Elden Gatwood wrote:
The photo of the B-50-12A in RPCyc has intrigued me. It appears they added a paint patch, and then the new number, but no Billboard or other changes. So that might be an example of one they just didn't bother fully repainting?Yep. I have a couple of images which show that. I have an older Microscale SP set that contains several sizes of Billboard lettering. Did 1955-57 "Add On" billboards have lettering of one size, and full repaints which got the billboard on the right, another? Or were they all the same size, and in either case, what size?The usual in the late 1950s was 24-inch high "S" and "P" with the rest of the road name spelled out in 16-inch letters. But there are instances of cars with smaller lettering when this large of a size would not fit. In 1962, SP adopted for awhile a gothic lettering with all characters in 24-inch size, but in the 1970s went back to the larger initials S and P (again, 24 and 16 inches). So the Microscale lettering (other than the standard 24/16 style) needs to be matched to photos to select the correct sizes. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: SP paint & lettering (was Tangent G-70-12 for other classes)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
But there WERE cars with new Billboard names added, on top of the old paint?
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Interesting... The photo of the B-50-12A in RPCyc has intrigued me. It appears they added a paint patch, and then the new number, but no Billboard or other changes. So that might be an example of one they just didn't bother fully repainting? I have an older Microscale SP set that contains several sizes of Billboard lettering. Did 1955-57 "Add On" billboards have lettering of one size, and full repaints which got the billboard on the right, another? Or were they all the same size, and in either case, what size? Thanks for this most interesting discussion, Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Anthony Thompson Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 2:55 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: SP paint & lettering (was Tangent G-70-12 for other classes) Tim O'Connor wrote: In 1955 SP began applying the large gothic road name -- this wasThis is certainly true. Some photos clearly show the medallion paint as a little dirty and faded, compared to the new lettering. But many others show all new lettering, including medallions. FULLY repainted cars are easy to spot -- the medallion is gone and theI'm not sure what Tim means to say here, but the SP lettering drawings DID show the billboard lettering ALONG WITH the medallion until the medallion was removed in the fall of 1957. So the impression should not be given that any "FULLY repainted" car would not have a medallion. They certainly did get medallions until late 1957. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> Publishers of books on railroad history
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