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Re: Railshops H31A

Clark Cooper
 

Their website is parked. Has Rail Shop gone under? I was looking
forward to that H31A.

-Clark Cooper

On Nov 6, 2009, at 3:19 PM, mumpseee wrote:

Group,

Does anybody have more information on the Railshops PRR H31A? They
were not at Naperville this year and I was really hoping they would
come to market with these. The samples last year were wonderful.

Eric Mumper



WrightTrak/Smoky Mountain B&O M53 boxcar

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

It's a beautiful kit and one I can finish. It's not going to be quite as
easy as it looks like at first but they seldom are. This is the first resin
kit I've bought that requests a butane torch and a drill press for tools.
I'll try to get along with a fire lighter and I hardly ever break any #78
bits using the flex-shaft on my Dremel clone together with my sewing machine
speed control to bore holes for grabs.

The box is very pretty but very small. I strongly prefer a Sunshine size box
or at least Intermountain size. I like to box my printed research material
in with the kit and that can't happen with this box. Heck there isn't even
room for a printed copy of the instructions.

I'm looking forward to starting this kit but I need to finish a few other
kits first.<G>

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Sunshine website - more updates

Mark
 

Jim, keep up the good work. I really enjoy your site.
 
Mark

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@verizon.net> wrote:


From: Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@verizon.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine website - more updates
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com, RPM-forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 2:44 PM


 



I've updated my all-time list. I have also added Sunshine's newest Numeric
Price List and added the most recent flyers to the Flyers by RR page. Please
let me know if I've screwed up anything.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits. com


Re: ACL Lowside Gondola

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 6, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Justin Kahn wrote:

Many thanks to those who provided me with the pdf from the SCL
webpage, especially Larry Kline, Dave Sieber, and Jerry Glowacki.
I am now in pretty good shape when I get to work on my kit.
One question (perhaps to Richard, who did the original article):
what kind of brakewheel for the original vertical-staff mount?
None of the prototype information available to me spelled out exact;y
what kind of brake wheel, so I just used the 5-spoke circular (not
scalloped) Tichy brakewheel in HO scale.

Richard Hendrickson


Coupler help N scale

roblmclear <rob.mclear2@...>
 

Hi to the group,

I am looking for some assistance, I recently purchased two of the Milwaukee Road boxcars in N scale from Fox Valley Models FVM 9011-1's the cars are great but I have one small problem. I prefer to run all of my cars with body mounted couplers, I have tried a number of different combinations from Micro Trains and have not been able to find one that works at the right height. Does anyone out there have an answer, I prefer not to shim the cars up or file the floors. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Rob McLear
Brisbane Australia.


Re: Modeling LCL

Tim O'Connor
 

Box car LCL consolidators (freight forwarders) continued
into the 1970's and maybe later. I'm sure they're still out
there but using intermodal instead of carload.

Tim O'Connor

Were not these firms acting as freight consolidators? and did
they not complete their service by local trucking delivery?
Tony Thompson


Re: Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta

Tim O'Connor
 

There are several types of eye bolts (wire & cast) that probably
could be "kitbashed" if needed to simulate various types of pipe
hangers that are not available.

I know some folks have griped about the size of DA eye bolts but
I actually have several different sizes from very small to rather
large -- and I think they're all DA parts. This is a big advantage
to buying from a hobby shop where you can look before you buy. :-)

Tim O'Connor

At 11/6/2009 05:34 PM Friday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor writes-

Tichy makes tank car pipe stanchions too, although I don't know
if they are accurate for any of the Sunshine kits.
If I am not mistaken, Southern C&F uses the Tichy stanchions- which do
really look nice-, but also seem to be available only in Tichy's Tank
Car Set (formerly Gould). These Tichy stanchions are similar to that
provided with the Vinegar Tank Car kit, while the PSC stanchions have
a slightly longer mounting flange with high relief rivet detailing.

However, the wall thickness of encircling pipe holders are as
follows: 1) Sunshine Vinegar Tank: c. 2.5"; 2) Tichy c. 2.0"; and 3)
PSC 1-1/2". The rivet/bolt detailing on the PSC is superior, with the
Tichy only very slightly behind. The Sunshine stanchions are cookie
cutter plain.

I am sticking with the PSC -lovely parts.

Now (*now*)- and this is new wrinkle just noted on the photos enclosed
with this ever-challenging car kit: None of the handrail stanchions
along the sides of the car are actually mounted on the tank directly.
They are instead all bolted directly on to strategically placed rod
tighteners with plain pipe holders of stanchions that look like none
of the above! Of course, there is no note of this in the directions;
Although -with thought- such mounting makes sense, now -again, within
sight of completion, the kit builder faces yet another unexpected
demand on time, ingenuity, and the drive to replicate the prototype.

Right now, my inclination is to look into mounting the stanchions on
the bands securing the tank to the frame- certainly a common stanchion
mount location on more numerous and less exotic tank cars.

I will see what I might be able to do with parts photos. No promises.

Denny


Express box brake system layout

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Hi,
Does anyone know of any diagrams or plans showing the underfloor layout of brake components, piping and train and steam lines on express boxcars like SP, and DL&W 40' steel cars? I'm guessing the reservoir, cylinders and AB valves had to be passenger train compatible.
Appreciate any help.
Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Tim O'Connor writes-

Tichy makes tank car pipe stanchions too, although I don't know
if they are accurate for any of the Sunshine kits.
If I am not mistaken, Southern C&F uses the Tichy stanchions- which do
really look nice-, but also seem to be available only in Tichy's Tank
Car Set (formerly Gould). These Tichy stanchions are similar to that
provided with the Vinegar Tank Car kit, while the PSC stanchions have
a slightly longer mounting flange with high relief rivet detailing.

However, the wall thickness of encircling pipe holders are as
follows: 1) Sunshine Vinegar Tank: c. 2.5"; 2) Tichy c. 2.0"; and 3)
PSC 1-1/2". The rivet/bolt detailing on the PSC is superior, with the
Tichy only very slightly behind. The Sunshine stanchions are cookie
cutter plain.

I am sticking with the PSC -lovely parts.

Now (*now*)- and this is new wrinkle just noted on the photos enclosed
with this ever-challenging car kit: None of the handrail stanchions
along the sides of the car are actually mounted on the tank directly.
They are instead all bolted directly on to strategically placed rod
tighteners with plain pipe holders of stanchions that look like none
of the above! Of course, there is no note of this in the directions;
Although -with thought- such mounting makes sense, now -again, within
sight of completion, the kit builder faces yet another unexpected
demand on time, ingenuity, and the drive to replicate the prototype.

Right now, my inclination is to look into mounting the stanchions on
the bands securing the tank to the frame- certainly a common stanchion
mount location on more numerous and less exotic tank cars.

I will see what I might be able to do with parts photos. No promises.

Denny



Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Modeling LCL

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Clark Propst, quoting Len Vick, wrote:
"Freight forwarders were a private business doing volume LCL for various points. Minneapolis had two of them, National and Universal carloading."
Were not these firms acting as freight consolidators? and did they not complete their service by local trucking delivery?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Masochism

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Tony,
 
         The list is dependant upon how many kits you are trying to build at one time.
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com> wrote:


From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Masochism
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 4:25 PM


 



Fred Freitas wrote:
GUYZ,
These are the kits that require prescription meds.
Viagra --------- to keep your neck straight while manipulating small
parts.
Prosac --------- to maintain a joyful attitude toward the project.
Valium ----------to relax once you put the tweezers down.
Thorazine ------to keep you quiet the rest of the night.
Gee, Fred, I never knew my usual microbrew should be replaced
with powerful pharmaceuticals <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history








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Re: Modeling LCL

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I was corrected on one of my interpretations of one of Mark Vaughan's LCL definitions.


"Freight forwarders were a private business doing volume LCL for various points. Minneapolis had two of them, National and Universal carloading." Len Vick

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Masochism

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Fred Freitas wrote:
GUYZ,
These are the kits that require prescription meds.
Viagra --------- to keep your neck straight while manipulating small parts.
Prosac --------- to maintain a joyful attitude toward the project.
Valium ----------to relax once you put the tweezers down.
Thorazine ------to keep you quiet the rest of the night.
Gee, Fred, I never knew my usual microbrew should be replaced with powerful pharmaceuticals <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ,
 
         These are the kits that require prescription meds.
 
Viagra --------- to keep your neck straight while manipulating small parts.
 
Prosac --------- to maintain a joyful attitude toward the project.
 
Valium ----------to relax once you put the tweezers down.
 
Thorazine ------to keep you quiet the rest of the night.
 
Failing to have the above items; try something about 120 proof before bed. That way you won't scare the family by swearing in your sleep. After 50 years of building railroad equipment my wife is certain I need all of the above, and a bigger magnifier to look throiugh.
 
Fred Freitas
dealing with resin disorder weekly

--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 3:50 PM


 




Can someone post a photo of the PSC #32110 stanchions to the
photos area? Also a photo of the PSC brake line brackets (#??)

Denny once posted some shots showing the brackets but they are
very small and I can't really make out the bracket design.

Tichy makes tank car pipe stanchions too, although I don't know
if they are accurate for any of the Sunshine kits.

Tim O'Connor

Pierre, that is exactly my plan. The PSC (#32110) stanchions are
pretty precise, enough IMHO to overcome the fact that they are a
totally different article than those cast resin stanchions in the kit
that supposedly replicate the prototype. I am also using PSC's 90º
pipe elbows.

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Railshops H31A

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

Does anybody have more information on the Railshops PRR H31A? They were not at Naperville this year and I was really hoping they would come to market with these. The samples last year were wonderful.


Eric Mumper


Re: SP paint & lettering

Tim O'Connor
 

Maybe it was one of the thousands of cars that stood under
Missouri River floodwaters in Kansas City -- that could sure
ruin a paint job! :-)

Tim O'Connor

At 11/6/2009 03:56 PM Friday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:
That particular car could have been repainted in the mid 1950's (the
reporting marks originally had lines above and below as was standard
practice in the 1940's) so they may have decided just to patch it as
the paint appears to be in excellent shape.
Tim refers to the photo on page 48 of RP Cyc 17. SP discontinued
use of the lines or stripes in February 1952, so the lettering clearly
postdates that; and might date from any time up to the end of the
spelled-out road name in the mid-1950s. Since the car was rebuilt in
1949, this repainting within a few years was likely the result of a
repair.

Tony Thompson


Re: Masochism

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Can someone post a photo of the PSC #32110 stanchions to the photos area? Also a photo of the PSC brake line brackets (#??)
Tim, most tank car upgrading or construction articles in recent years have used the PSC stanchions, including Ted Culotta's article in the July 09 RMC. Ted's close-ups should show you all you need. Their great advantage is that they are brass and thus STURDY, unlike the styrene ones by Tichy, etc. They can also be installed "right side up" or "down," depending on whether the prototype had the stanchions supporting the handrail from below or above.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SP paint & lettering

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
That particular car could have been repainted in the mid 1950's (the reporting marks originally had lines above and below as was standard practice in the 1940's) so they may have decided just to patch it as the paint appears to be in excellent shape.
Tim refers to the photo on page 48 of RP Cyc 17. SP discontinued use of the lines or stripes in February 1952, so the lettering clearly postdates that; and might date from any time up to the end of the spelled-out road name in the mid-1950s. Since the car was rebuilt in 1949, this repainting within a few years was likely the result of a repair.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Masochism: The Building of a Sunshine Standard Brands Vinegar Ta

Tim O'Connor
 

Can someone post a photo of the PSC #32110 stanchions to the
photos area? Also a photo of the PSC brake line brackets (#??)

Denny once posted some shots showing the brackets but they are
very small and I can't really make out the bracket design.

Tichy makes tank car pipe stanchions too, although I don't know
if they are accurate for any of the Sunshine kits.

Tim O'Connor

Pierre, that is exactly my plan. The PSC (#32110) stanchions are
pretty precise, enough IMHO to overcome the fact that they are a
totally different article than those cast resin stanchions in the kit
that supposedly replicate the prototype. I am also using PSC's 90�
pipe elbows.

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: SP paint & lettering

Tim O'Connor
 

Elden Gatwood wrote

The photo of the B-50-12A in RPCyc has intrigued me. It appears they added a
paint patch, and then the new number, but no Billboard or other changes. So
that might be an example of one they just didn't bother fully repainting?
That particular car could have been repainted in the mid 1950's (the
reporting marks originally had lines above and below as was standard
practice in the 1940's) so they may have decided just to patch it as
the paint appears to be in excellent shape.

I have an older Microscale SP set that contains several sizes of Billboard
lettering. Did 1955-57 "Add On" billboards have lettering of one size, and
full repaints which got the billboard on the right, another? Or were they
all the same size, and in either case, what size?
They were all the same size, although I can't vouch for the Microscale set
being correct. I do know the CHAMP lettering is the correct size, and isn't
as "neon bright" as the Microscale lettering. CDS also did this lettering.

I have a shot of B-50-24 SP #97714 - an "Overnight" box car -- that got a
box car red repaint with Roman lettering Southern Pacific reporting mark,
no medallion, and no bold road name. Totally spartan!

Photos also show silver Overnight cars (repainted from original black) with
box car red patches for the car number and no other changes. By the later
1950's most of the Overnight cars travelled freely around the country as
plain ordinary box cars.

Tim O'Connor

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