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Re: Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC

Bruce Smith
 

Du-uh! Sorry! (and of course RD is Reading, just like originally posted :^}
Bruce

On Nov 11, 2009, at 10:01 AM, gary laakso wrote:

I read the Rg as Rio Grande.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net


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Subject: [STMFC] Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC




On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:07 PM, allen_282 wrote:

Tim,
These are mostly cars passing through, between the WP & GN at
Bieber.
There is one with out train info. You sort of have to know your
GN & WP steam engine numbers to help make sense of it.

The station book is organized by the last 3 digits of the car number.
The station agent(s) seem to be rather loose with there
abbreviations, like rg for rio grande, at for atsf, rd for reading,
mi for Milw (with out looking at an ORER)

So taking a line for example,

ic 32200 r 2126 10/4 f 907 907 10/4

ic car # 32200 received from train 2126(gn) 10/4/47 forwarded to
train 907(wp) 10/4/47

Some entries have multiple train/dates meaning the car past through
several times in three months. I repeat the whole entry for each
new train + date
I imported the data into excel, sorted by roadname and was blown away
by the number of Rg (reading) entries. Then I realized that it was
only 2 cars! Can you provide some interpretation of those movements
(especially their direction of travel)??
Received Forwarded
Rg 45200 r 252 1-Dec f 2127 1-Dec
Rg 45200 r 2017 13-Dec f 201 13-Dec

rg 43300 r 911 5-Dec f 2017 5-Dec
rg 43300 r 2126 19-Dec f 202 20-Dec
rg 43300 r 904 30-Dec f 2126 30-Dec

a couple of ATSF cars account for multiple moves as well

at 9200 r 210 11-Oct f 2019 11-Oct
at 9200 r 254 10-Nov f 2008 10-Nov
at 9200 r 2107 20-Nov f 206 20-Nov

at 5300 r 2115 14-Oct f 209 14-Oct
at 5300 r 905 24-Nov f 2127 24-Nov
at 5300 r 2007 5-Dec f 206 6-Dec

I'd be curious to see how these cars comply with the car service rules.

It looks like a nice national mix of cars <VBG>

BTW, if Rg is Reading, what is Rd?

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC

gary laakso
 

I read the Rg as Rio Grande.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

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Sent: 11/11/2009 10:07:47 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC




On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:07 PM, allen_282 wrote:

Tim,
These are mostly cars passing through, between the WP & GN at
Bieber.
There is one with out train info. You sort of have to know your
GN & WP steam engine numbers to help make sense of it.

The station book is organized by the last 3 digits of the car number.
The station agent(s) seem to be rather loose with there
abbreviations, like rg for rio grande, at for atsf, rd for reading,
mi for Milw (with out looking at an ORER)

So taking a line for example,

ic 32200 r 2126 10/4 f 907 907 10/4

ic car # 32200 received from train 2126(gn) 10/4/47 forwarded to
train 907(wp) 10/4/47

Some entries have multiple train/dates meaning the car past through
several times in three months. I repeat the whole entry for each
new train + date
I imported the data into excel, sorted by roadname and was blown away
by the number of Rg (reading) entries. Then I realized that it was
only 2 cars! Can you provide some interpretation of those movements
(especially their direction of travel)??
Received Forwarded
Rg 45200 r 252 1-Dec f 2127 1-Dec
Rg 45200 r 2017 13-Dec f 201 13-Dec

rg 43300 r 911 5-Dec f 2017 5-Dec
rg 43300 r 2126 19-Dec f 202 20-Dec
rg 43300 r 904 30-Dec f 2126 30-Dec

a couple of ATSF cars account for multiple moves as well

at 9200 r 210 11-Oct f 2019 11-Oct
at 9200 r 254 10-Nov f 2008 10-Nov
at 9200 r 2107 20-Nov f 206 20-Nov

at 5300 r 2115 14-Oct f 209 14-Oct
at 5300 r 905 24-Nov f 2127 24-Nov
at 5300 r 2007 5-Dec f 206 6-Dec

I'd be curious to see how these cars comply with the car service rules.

It looks like a nice national mix of cars <VBG>

BTW, if Rg is Reading, what is Rd?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Yard Jumbo's (was Re: New file uploaded to STMFC)

John Wark
 

How common was this across railroads? In other words, did
all/most/many/some steam era roads would have used this approach (and that
therefore I should add this to the list of documentation I'm searching for)?

thanks
John Wark
Brentwood, TN
modeling the NC&StL Nashville Division in west TN in 1951


On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@att.net> wrote:



These books are often called Yard Jumbo's. Jumbo because the pages usually
were quite oversized.

Back in the days of pencils and straight pins it wasn't possible to create
a
completely sorted list of cars that went thru any given interchange point
in
each month so they did the next best thing -- make page numbers in a book
relate to the car number in some way. So they ordered up oversized books
with 100 pages (numbered 00 to 99) and wrote in any given car on the page
that corresponded to the last two digits of the car number. That way if
later on somebody had to look up a specific car they'd flip to the right
page and then they'd at least be in the ballpark as far as finding what
they
wanted.

What one needs to do w/ a Jumbo is transcribe all 100 pages into something
like excel and then sort the rows by road name, initial, date to get an
ordered list of cars... Or sort by Date, initial, car number to get a list
of what came and went on any given day.

Dave Nelson



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Bieber cars was New file uploaded to STMFC

Bruce Smith
 

On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:07 PM, allen_282 wrote:

Tim,
These are mostly cars passing through, between the WP & GN at Bieber.
There is one with out train info. You sort of have to know your
GN & WP steam engine numbers to help make sense of it.

The station book is organized by the last 3 digits of the car number.
The station agent(s) seem to be rather loose with there abbreviations, like rg for rio grande, at for atsf, rd for reading,
mi for Milw (with out looking at an ORER)

So taking a line for example,

ic 32200 r 2126 10/4 f 907 907 10/4

ic car # 32200 received from train 2126(gn) 10/4/47 forwarded to train 907(wp) 10/4/47

Some entries have multiple train/dates meaning the car past through
several times in three months. I repeat the whole entry for each new train + date
I imported the data into excel, sorted by roadname and was blown away by the number of Rg (reading) entries. Then I realized that it was only 2 cars! Can you provide some interpretation of those movements (especially their direction of travel)??
Received Forwarded
Rg 45200 r 252 1-Dec f 2127 1-Dec
Rg 45200 r 2017 13-Dec f 201 13-Dec

rg 43300 r 911 5-Dec f 2017 5-Dec
rg 43300 r 2126 19-Dec f 202 20-Dec
rg 43300 r 904 30-Dec f 2126 30-Dec

a couple of ATSF cars account for multiple moves as well

at 9200 r 210 11-Oct f 2019 11-Oct
at 9200 r 254 10-Nov f 2008 10-Nov
at 9200 r 2107 20-Nov f 206 20-Nov

at 5300 r 2115 14-Oct f 209 14-Oct
at 5300 r 905 24-Nov f 2127 24-Nov
at 5300 r 2007 5-Dec f 206 6-Dec

I'd be curious to see how these cars comply with the car service rules.

It looks like a nice national mix of cars <VBG>

BTW, if Rg is Reading, what is Rd?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: 8-hatch reefers

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

There is an article in the June 1940 Ry Mechanical Engineer beginning on page 211 about CN refrigerator cars with overhead ice bunkers and 8 htches. These are all-steel, 4/5 square-corner Dreadnaught ends, hinged doors, Dalman trucks, and Ajax hand brakes. The CN built 100 with the first one completed in October 1939.

Way back when there was a Northeastern or Ambroid model of such a reefer as I now recall. I have one but it is packed for moving. My recollection is that the model had wood sides. Does anyone remember this model? Was it of a CN or CP prototype?

Gene Green
heading towards the badlands of New Mexico


Re: Modeling LCL

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Thanks Ted, that is my thought and ops plan. I have photos from the thirties with several cars spotted at the freighthouse.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...> wrote:

Hi Clark,

As you are modeling a medium sized city, Mason City Iowa. The LCL car
could have many dozens of packages to unload each day and would delay
the through freight too long. So the car would be set out and the
switch crew would spot it at the freight house.

If you were modeling Ackley, Iowa, a small town further south on the
MStL, the LCL car would be on the way freight and there the
wayfreight crew would wrestle off the packages. the size of the town
and amount of LCL business affects the delivery scheme.

Ted


Yard Jumbo's (was Re: New file uploaded to STMFC)

Dave Nelson
 

These books are often called Yard Jumbo's. Jumbo because the pages usually
were quite oversized.

Back in the days of pencils and straight pins it wasn't possible to create a
completely sorted list of cars that went thru any given interchange point in
each month so they did the next best thing -- make page numbers in a book
relate to the car number in some way. So they ordered up oversized books
with 100 pages (numbered 00 to 99) and wrote in any given car on the page
that corresponded to the last two digits of the car number. That way if
later on somebody had to look up a specific car they'd flip to the right
page and then they'd at least be in the ballpark as far as finding what they
wanted.

What one needs to do w/ a Jumbo is transcribe all 100 pages into something
like excel and then sort the rows by road name, initial, date to get an
ordered list of cars... Or sort by Date, initial, car number to get a list
of what came and went on any given day.

Dave Nelson


Re: Modeling LCL

Jared Harper
 

Here's how it was done on the Alma branch in Kansas in the 1940's. The motor car or the coach, baggage, and caboose car would be spotted at the depot in the morning where the Santa Fe Trailways truck on a Topeka-Emporia route could back up to the baggage door to unload the LCL from the previous day and to load up the LCL for the branch that day. LCL was freight in less than carload amounts. The depot agent handled the paperwork. There was also the Railway Express shipments. Railway Express was managed by the Railway Express Agency. It was similar to UPS or FedEx today. It was an expedited service and items shipped by Railway Express came by passenger train and were dropped at the Burlingame depot. The depot agent also handled the paperwork for the REA shipments and they were loaded in the baggage compartment with the LCL. REA paid the RR to handle their shipments. US mail was also loaded in the baggage compartment and the PO paid the RR to handle this also. Large pieces of personal baggage could also go into the baggage compartment. After everything was ready to go the Alma branch mixed went up the branch dropping off and picking up LCL, express, mail, passengers and, perhaps, their personal baggage. The headend brakeman was in charge of making sure all the LCL, express, and mail was dropped off or picked up. He got a separate monthly check from the express company for his duties. When the train got back to the depot in Burlingame the express and mail were unloaded at the depot. The LCL stayed in the baggage compartment to be picked up by the Santa Fe Trailways truck the next morning which would take it to Topeka when its route was completed. The express and mail would be put out for the next passenger train going the direction the express or mail was headed.

When the Alma branch train started tying up at Topeka in the late 1940s an old reefer or box car was parked by the Burlingame depot for LCL and the Santa Fe Trailways truck loaded and unloaded it on the Topeka-Emporia route. When the train came from Topeka to Burlingame it coupled up the car and took it up and back down the branch. Express and Mail came on the train from Topeka in the coach, baggage and caboose car and the train would pick up and leave off express and mail at each station. The headend brakeman filled his role as before.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, michael bishop <goldrod_1@...> wrote:



Where is the fine line between LCL and REA in the handling of a few packages at a station? I know at a freight house a LCL car could be dropped off with the car almost full, but the load could be made up several LCL shipment combined together for a shipment.
Thanks ofr any help.
 
Michael Bishop






Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Allen Rueter
 

Tim,
These are mostly cars passing through, between the WP & GN at Bieber.
There is one with out train info. You sort of have to know your
GN & WP steam engine numbers to help make sense of it.

The station book is organized by the last 3 digits of the car number.
The station agent(s) seem to be rather loose with there abbreviations, like rg for rio grande, at for atsf, rd for reading,
mi for Milw (with out looking at an ORER)

So taking a line for example,

ic 32200 r 2126 10/4 f 907 907 10/4

ic car # 32200 received from train 2126(gn) 10/4/47 forwarded to train 907(wp) 10/4/47

Some entries have multiple train/dates meaning the car past through
several times in three months. I repeat the whole entry for each new train + date

Allen Rueter

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Are these the reporting marks of freight cars destined for Bieber,
loaded at Bieber? both? neither?? Or just a random selection of a
handful of cars that passed through Bieber?

Tim O'Connor


File : /gn wp station log bieber /bieber-1947-oct-dec-200-300.txt
Uploaded by : allen_282 <allen_282@...>
Description : freight cars thru bieber ca 1947 oct dec *200 *300

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/gn%20wp%20station%20log%20bieber%20/bieber-1947-oct-dec-200-300.txt

Regards,

allen_282 <allen_282@...>


Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Tim O'Connor
 

Are these the reporting marks of freight cars destined for Bieber,
loaded at Bieber? both? neither?? Or just a random selection of a
handful of cars that passed through Bieber?

Tim O'Connor


File : /gn wp station log bieber /bieber-1947-oct-dec-200-300.txt

Uploaded by : allen_282 <allen_282@yahoo.com>
Description : freight cars thru bieber ca 1947 oct dec *200 *300

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/gn%20wp%20station%20log%20bieber%20/bieber-1947-oct-dec-200-300.txt

Regards,

allen_282 <allen_282@yahoo.com>


New file uploaded to STMFC

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Re: Floquil and TMW trucks

Jack Burgess
 

Brian asked:

Has anyone encountered problems applying Floquil paint to Tahoe
Model Works trucks? I have a customer who is brush painting
Floquil and getting a shiny finish, instead of flat. An
overspray of Dullcoat still results shiny.
I have been air-brushing my TMW trucks with Floquil enamels (the old stuff)
without problems.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Union Pacific B 50-17 Boxcars, Steel Sided Rebuilds

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 10, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Bob McCarthy wrote:

Howdy,

We are doing research on this group of boxcars.

Do any of you reading this list have any images beyond those
found in MAINLINE MODELER, May 1991, pp.82-85?
I have a number of additional images which I can scan for you.

From comments in the article, it appears that the underframe
on this group of cars was similar, if not exactly the same, as the
PFE underframe. Can anyone comment on whether this is a fact.
The underframes were not Bettendorf, as on some PFE cars, but they
were a heavier (50 ton capacity) version of the twin-center-sill
railroad-design underframes used on other PFE reefers of similar
vintage and had five cross-members between the bolsters, whereas the
PFE cars had only four.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: Modeling LCL

michael bishop <goldrod_1@...>
 

Where is the fine line between LCL and REA in the handling of a few packages at a station? I know at a freight house a LCL car could be dropped off with the car almost full, but the load could be made up several LCL shipment combined together for a shipment.
Thanks ofr any help.
 
Michael Bishop


SRR 100 ton cement hopper

Fred Mullins
 

Folks,
Not sure if these are to new for this list? But I'm looking for plans/drwg's of Southerns 100 ton 2bay hoppers.
Has any ever been published in one of the mag's? If so can anyone tell me which one and what issue.
thanks in advance for any help!
Fred Mullins


Floquil and TMW trucks

brianleppert@att.net
 

Has anyone encountered problems applying Floquil paint to Tahoe Model Works trucks? I have a customer who is brush painting Floquil and getting a shiny finish, instead of flat. An overspray of Dullcoat still results shiny.

For what its worth, the trucks are molded in Celcon, the same material that Model Die Casting used to use.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Express box brake system layout

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "steve l" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

Just curious, Dennis. Is the "wig-wag" valve for graduated release located on the pipe bracket (I'm assuming so), or near the brake cylinder? Suggestions for modelling this if it's a visible feature on the brake gear?

Steve Lucas.
Boy, every time I get involved with an air brake discussion, I end up spending hours looking for diagrams I know I've seen before. It's a shame that Westinghouse didn't have ONE all encompassing catalog where one could identify any component.

That "wig wag" has a proper name; it's a "Duplex Release Valve." It normally mounts on the service portion of the AB equipment. The diagram in Gene's materials shows a second mounted on the "front" of the pipe bracket (the side opposite the ports for the pipe connections. The 1957 CBC shows a diagram of "AB Freight car brake equipment" that includes this feature, in two alternate locations, labeled "brake cylinder release valve." The other location is on the pipe to the brake cylinder. This diagram must be showing all the options available with standard AB equipment, since it also shows an automatic ratchet type slack adjuster piped to a port on the brake cylinder.

The New York Air Brake Co. section of the same book shows a photo of this valve installed on the pipe bracket; they identify it as a "QRR Brake Cylinder Release Valve portion." In both cases, it must require a pipe bracket with custom drillings.

The AB-1-B equipment is also illustrated in both the 1953 and 1957 CBCs. It does have some interesting additional equipment; a thin slice (my guess, maybe 1.5" thick) that sandwiches between the pipe bracket and the service portion of the valve, that has an additional pipe port. This additional pipe runs to a T in the signal line, and automatically varies the function of the AB valve depending upon whether there is air pressure in the signal line or not. With no pressure in the signal line, the valve functions as a freight valve, with pressure, it more closely matched the characteristics of passenger equipment.

In addition, both the Westinghouse and New York diagrams show an additional small valve remotely connected to the train line; both companies call this the "A-2-A Continuous Quick Service Valve." I suspect this functioned similar to a modern day relay valve used on long cars.

Biggest problem with using pipe schematics from the CBC is I suspect that some of these features were options, so there is no way to know if they were present on the actual cars in question unless the valves are listed on the BOM.

Dennis


Re: Modeling LCL

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Clark,

As you are modeling a medium sized city, Mason City Iowa. The LCL car could have many dozens of packages to unload each day and would delay the through freight too long. So the car would be set out and the switch crew would spot it at the freight house.

If you were modeling Ackley, Iowa, a small town further south on the MStL, the LCL car would be on the way freight and there the wayfreight crew would wrestle off the packages. the size of the town and amount of LCL business affects the delivery scheme.

Ted

At 03:28 PM 11/5/2009, you wrote:
I'm about finished with a trailer to set by my freight house just like the big boys did. The company trailer advertizes "Dependable Daily Service"

There's a photo of Bill Daranby's layout in an ad on page 101 of the latest MR.
Behind the engine is a 'Rider' car and next, with doors open, is a company box car with LCL. The idea is that the crew drops and/or picks up packages at the stations along the way.

My current plan is we have an Eastbound LCL car set out by the through freight. The switch crew spots it at the freight house and blocks the car that was at the freight house for the next EB to pick up. I need to do the same with a west bound car.

What we have is Bill's plan of just stopping for a few minutes for LCL verses my idea of having a car spend 24 hours in one town's freight house.

Are both of they plans correct? If one or both are not. How would LCL be handled between stations and freight houses?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
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Union Pacific B 50-17 Boxcars, Steel Sided Rebuilds

Bob McCarthy
 

Howdy,
 
     We are doing research on this group of boxcars. 
 
     Do any of you reading this list have any images beyond those found in MAINLINE MODELER, May 1991, pp.82-85?
 
     From comments in the article, it appears that the underframe on this group of cars was similar, if not exactly the same, as the PFE underframe.  Can anyone comment on whether this is a fact.
 
Thanks,
 
Bob McCarthy







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Union Pacific A-50-21 box cars

John Gillies <gillies@...>
 

I saw this UP A-50-21 box car slide http://tinyurl.com/ybmbokr for sale on eBay, but can't make out the car's number. Does anyone know the UP number series allocated to the A-50-21 class? Thanks in advance.

John Gillies
Canberra, Australia

101621 - 101640 of 187869