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Re: Chicago & Illinois Midland Mather Cars(?)

gary laakso
 

Thanks! That is far more information then the book provided.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
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From: Ray Breyer
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 11/13/2009 8:47:40 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Chicago & Illinois Midland Mather Cars(?)



Morning Sun Books new work on the
C&IM has a July, 1960 picture at page 121 of 2 forty
foot boxcars, 500 and 501, that appear to be Mather cars now
with welded side sheets, retained wooden doors and wooden
end beams over metal sheeted ends. The caption offers
no assistance identifying the cars: "Although superficially
similar to the 8000 series Mather box cars the C&IM
leased for may years, the two cars are dimensionally
different in every dimension except the width of the door
(6ft.). The 500 series cars appeared on the roster after the
Mather car lease expired in July of 1956. Numbered 500
to 506, they were 40' long with a 40 ton capacity.
Rebuilt from older composite cars, they retained their wood
doors.....The cars were used for LCL service to local
stations along the mainline." The trucks cannot be
identified in the dark shadows under the car.
gary laakso
Hi Gary,

Richard Hendrickson identified these cars as ex-Erie 71000-71999 series rebuilds, and provided me with a clear photo of Erie 71497. The car has a build date of 12-1923, and a reweigh of 8-1941. Checking the 1935 ORER shows that these cars were just coming on line. The 1945 ORER shows the number series as 71000-71567. The closest Erie diagram book I have to this time span is 1957, and that number series isn't listed at all.

These cars were never Mathers cars, showed up only after the C&IM dropped passenger service in 1953, and were never carried on the roster as revenue cars, so I have no idea how many there were. I've got a color photo of C&IM 602 pulling one through Pekin in 1954, but that's the only photo I have of these cars.

Hope this helps!
Ray Breyer




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Re: Chicago & Illinois Midland Mather Cars(?)

Ray Breyer
 

Morning Sun Books new work on the
C&IM has a July, 1960 picture at page 121 of 2 forty
foot boxcars, 500 and 501, that appear to be Mather cars now
with welded side sheets, retained wooden doors and wooden
end beams over metal sheeted ends.  The caption offers
no assistance identifying the cars: "Although superficially
similar to the 8000 series Mather box cars the C&IM
leased for may years, the two cars are dimensionally
different in every dimension except the width of the door
(6ft.). The 500 series cars appeared on the roster after the
Mather car lease expired in July of 1956.  Numbered 500
to 506, they were 40' long with a 40 ton capacity. 
Rebuilt from older composite cars, they retained their wood
doors.....The cars were used for LCL service to local
stations along the mainline."  The trucks cannot be
identified in the dark shadows under the car. 
gary laakso

Hi Gary,

Richard Hendrickson identified these cars as ex-Erie 71000-71999 series rebuilds, and provided me with a clear photo of Erie 71497. The car has a build date of 12-1923, and a reweigh of 8-1941. Checking the 1935 ORER shows that these cars were just coming on line. The 1945 ORER shows the number series as 71000-71567. The closest Erie diagram book I have to this time span is 1957, and that number series isn't listed at all.

These cars were never Mathers cars, showed up only after the C&IM dropped passenger service in 1953, and were never carried on the roster as revenue cars, so I have no idea how many there were. I've got a color photo of C&IM 602 pulling one through Pekin in 1954, but that's the only photo I have of these cars.

Hope this helps!
Ray Breyer


Chicago & Illinois Midland Mather Cars(?)

gary laakso
 

Morning Sun Books new work on the C&IM has a July, 1960 picture at page 121 of 2 forty foot boxcars, 500 and 501, that appear to be Mather cars now with welded side sheets, retained wooden doors and wooden end beams over metal sheeted ends. The caption offers no assistance identifying the cars: "Although superficially similar to the 8000 series Mather box cars the C&IM leased for may years, the two cars are dimensionally different in every dimension except the width of the door (6ft.). The 500 series cars appeared on the roster after the Mather car lease expired in July of 1956. Numbered 500 to 506, they were 40' long with a 40 ton capacity. Rebuilt from older composite cars, they retained their wood doors.....The cars were used for LCL service to local stations along the mainline." The trucks cannot be identified in the dark shadows under the car.


gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


Re: Nov 15, 1957

Tim O'Connor
 

I recall a news photo of one of the monster N&W coal trains in
a contemporaneous issue of Trains magazine. I think N&W was just
trying to push the edge of the envelope... Obviously it didn't
work out that well, but BNSF and UP today regularly run 20,000 ton
trains safely, for very long distances.

Makes me wonder how fast diesels would have taken over if work
rules simply specified a 12 hour day without any mileage limit.
Clearly with a mileage limit there was a powerful incentive to
run trains more slowly and with heavier tonnage. Still true today.

Tim

At 11/13/2009 05:54 PM Friday, you wrote:
I just came across this note in reference to Nov 15th.

"1957 - Longest and heaviest train (500 coal cars, 4 miles long, 42,000
tons) hauled by Norfolk and Western Railroad between Iager, West Virginia
and Portsmouth, Ohio".

500 cars? Really? If true, why not 5 sections?

Dave Nelson


Re: Nov 15, 1957

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Bragging rights?
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

I just came across this note in reference to Nov 15th.

"1957 - Longest and heaviest train (500 coal cars, 4 miles long, 42,000
tons) hauled by Norfolk and Western Railroad between Iager, West Virginia
and Portsmouth, Ohio".

500 cars? Really? If true, why not 5 sections?

Dave Nelson


Nov 15, 1957

Dave Nelson
 

I just came across this note in reference to Nov 15th.

"1957 - Longest and heaviest train (500 coal cars, 4 miles long, 42,000
tons) hauled by Norfolk and Western Railroad between Iager, West Virginia
and Portsmouth, Ohio".

500 cars? Really? If true, why not 5 sections?

Dave Nelson


Re: Morton running boards

Ed Hawkins
 

On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Barry_Roth wrote:

Were all running boards made by Morton of the round-hole type? In
other words, when I see reference to a particular series of cars
having "Morton running board," am I safe in using a round-hole product
such as the Plano rb?

At the moment I'm working with an ATSF Bx-44 boxcar, but it would be
useful to know the answer in general terms. Thanks,

Barry Roth
Barry,
Yes. Morton running boards and brake steps all had holes. See my
article about all types of running boards in RP CYC Vol. 16 (shameless
plug).
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Morton running boards

Barry Roth
 

Were all running boards made by Morton of the round-hole type? In other words, when I see reference to a particular series of cars having "Morton running board," am I safe in using a round-hole product such as the Plano rb?

At the moment I'm working with an ATSF Bx-44 boxcar, but it would be useful to know the answer in general terms. Thanks,

Barry Roth


Annual PRR Modeler's Needs Assessment Survey

Jerry Britton
 

Every November, the Keystone Crossings site conducts an "Annual PRR
Modeler's Needs Assessment Survey".

The survey asks respondents to list their top three desired models in each
of several categories, including steam power, diesel power, electric
power, freight rolling stock, passenger rolling stock, etc.

Ballots are typically available for one week and are then summarized on
Keystone Crossings.

Summaries are also sent to several dozen manufacturers. Though our survey
is unscientific, and doesn't take into account quantities each modeler may
desire, we have noted that each year many of our top desires are announced
as products within 12-18 months. So perhaps this data provides a "pulse
point" to the industry.

The ballot is now open and runs through 5:00 p.m., Friday, November 20th.

You will find the ballot and past results here...

http://kc.pennsyrr.com/survey_2009.php

Thank you for your participation!
--
Jerry Britton


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Re: Sunshine XM-1

mcindoefalls
 

Yes, I believe it's the former Yankee Clipper kit.

I believe F&C makes a kit for this. Their number 6005.

Jim Fellows
----- Original Message -----
From: pierreoliver2003
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine XM-1



Does anyone know if Martin is planning on releasing a model of the B&M XM-1 with the "Reverse Creco" door?
Pierre Oliver







Re: Painting Trucks

kenneth broomfield
 

What Kind of chemical paint "stripper" is best?
 
Kenny Broomfield

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Painting Trucks
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:23 PM


 



Ken

Yes, we use paint stripper to strip entire models. Grit blasting
puts an "etch" on slippery plastics that make them far easier to
paint. Chemical stripping is intended to be harmless to the plastic
including not etching it. Grit blasting transforms shiny metal
etched running boards into beautifully "galvanized" pieces of metal.
It can be used very selectively on small areas of a finished model.
And it can thoroughly remove stubborn bits of paint on delicate
parts that remain after chemical stripping. It's an invaluable tool
as Richard said.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/11/2009 10:09 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
Why is this grit blasting superior to say some kind of paint stripper? Also, what kind of paint stripper works best for taking a model all the way down to bare plastic or brass?
Â
Kenny Broomfield










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Re: Painting Trucks

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

I agree Denny. Some sort of "vinyl" is used in armor kits for rubber tires and tank tracks and many people have trouble painting them because they must flex to be installed. I did at first as well until I learned to simply give the parts a good scrubbing with dish detergent and an old toothbrush, a good scrubbing rinse, and an air dry. (I do this to the entire model actually.) Only once did I still have a problem. In that case, I washed and scrubbed off the paint, wiped the parts thoroughly with mineral spirits, then re-did the wash cycle. To be extry sure, I used an enamel base color coat rather than my usual acrylic (I never use primer.) No problemo.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Denny Anspach

Much of the engineering plastic that we paint are in small parts with
relatively high relief and with small surfaces, i.e. truck frames; and
although the paint probably probably does not undergo true surface
adherence, the dried paint film does seem to have enough mechanical
grip on and about the interstices and projections of the detailing
that peeling paint is simply not a problem.


Re: 8-hatch reefers

Kenneth Montero
 

Gene,

It will prove to be an interesting adventure when you do. I got some interesting surprises when I did so.

Ken Montero

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <bierglaeser@...>
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:10:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 8-hatch reefers






Ken,
I don't recall the Madewell name. Perhaps I was inattentive but, as I said, the model is packed for moving. I had a habit of saving kit instructions and "filing" (or piling?) them together. Haven't come across that stack so far in the moving process and I really can't remember how I saved them or where. Wish I could dig them out and see which names are on my various Northeastern and Ambroid kit instructions.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@... , va661midlo@... wrote:

Gene,

I have a blue box Ambroid kit no. K-14 is a "C.P (Canadian Pacific) 8-Hat Reefer". The instructions say that the kit was designed and manufactured by Madewell Company, Inc., 15 Main Street, Waltham 54, Massachusetts. The instructions also give that firm as the source for spare parts, Is this name a predecessor or subsidiary of Ambroid or Northeastern (both of whom seemed to have had the same kit at different times)?

Ken Montero


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <bierglaeser@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:04:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 8-hatch reefers






There is an article in the June 1940 Ry Mechanical Engineer beginning on page 211 about CN refrigerator cars with overhead ice bunkers and 8 htches. These are all-steel, 4/5 square-corner Dreadnaught ends, hinged doors, Dalman trucks, and Ajax hand brakes. The CN built 100 with the first one completed in October 1939.

Way back when there was a Northeastern or Ambroid model of such a reefer as I now recall. I have one but it is packed for moving. My recollection is that the model had wood sides. Does anyone remember this model? Was it of a CN or CP prototype?

Gene Green
heading towards the badlands of New Mexico








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Mopac Gondolas

bflynnd1
 

Group,

After all of the talk on the list of gondolas, I wanted to let you know that the Missouri Pacific Historical Society has released it's fall issue of The Eagle. Of interest to this group is a 30 page article on MP gondolas built 1912 to 1960. Hobby shops that carry it and ordering information can be found on the MPHS website at www.mopac.org.

Brian Flynn
MPHS Archivist


Re: Sunshine XM-1

James Fellows
 

I believe F&C makes a kit f this. Their number 6005.

Jim Fellows

----- Original Message -----
From: pierreoliver2003
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine XM-1



Does anyone know if Martin is planning on releasing a model of the B&M XM-1 with the "Reverse Creco" door?
Pierre Oliver


Re: SP boxcar lettering

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Des Norman wrote:
Many thanks for the prompt reply. I'll make do with what you've given me as the Champ decal set doesn't have the trust info, etc.
Also be aware that when the car was repainted, SP would not have duplicated the builder data, and not always the trust data (after WW II they sometimes used a cast metal plate instead). Ted Culotta's Speedwitch decals for SP box cars do have a trust legend which could be used.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 8-hatch reefers

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Ken,
I don't recall the Madewell name. Perhaps I was inattentive but, as I said, the model is packed for moving. I had a habit of saving kit instructions and "filing" (or piling?) them together. Haven't come across that stack so far in the moving process and I really can't remember how I saved them or where. Wish I could dig them out and see which names are on my various Northeastern and Ambroid kit instructions.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., va661midlo@... wrote:

Gene,

I have a blue box Ambroid kit no. K-14 is a "C.P (Canadian Pacific) 8-Hat Reefer". The instructions say that the kit was designed and manufactured by Madewell Company, Inc., 15 Main Street, Waltham 54, Massachusetts. The instructions also give that firm as the source for spare parts, Is this name a predecessor or subsidiary of Ambroid or Northeastern (both of whom seemed to have had the same kit at different times)?

Ken Montero


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <bierglaeser@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:04:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 8-hatch reefers






There is an article in the June 1940 Ry Mechanical Engineer beginning on page 211 about CN refrigerator cars with overhead ice bunkers and 8 htches. These are all-steel, 4/5 square-corner Dreadnaught ends, hinged doors, Dalman trucks, and Ajax hand brakes. The CN built 100 with the first one completed in October 1939.

Way back when there was a Northeastern or Ambroid model of such a reefer as I now recall. I have one but it is packed for moving. My recollection is that the model had wood sides. Does anyone remember this model? Was it of a CN or CP prototype?

Gene Green
heading towards the badlands of New Mexico




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Re: SP boxcar lettering

Des Norman
 

Tony,
Many thanks for the prompt reply. I'll make do with what you've given me as the Champ decal set doesn't have the trust info, etc.

Regards,
Des Norman

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Des Norman wrote:
However, there are some bits of text that I can't make out in the photo, so I'd be very grateful for some advice, please.

I've got the capacity, dimensions, New and Blt lettering, but what would be in the 2 blocks to the right of New, and also the extreme lower right?
Des, at extreme right is the repack data. Immediately to the right of "NEW" is the builder data; it says

BUILT BY
BETHLEHEM STEEL CO
JOHNSTOWN, PA

To the right of that, adjoining the door, is the equipment trust
information. I can relay it to you if you REALLY want to know what it says.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

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