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Re: Nov 15, 1957

Tim O'Connor
 

I recall a news photo of one of the monster N&W coal trains in
a contemporaneous issue of Trains magazine. I think N&W was just
trying to push the edge of the envelope... Obviously it didn't
work out that well, but BNSF and UP today regularly run 20,000 ton
trains safely, for very long distances.

Makes me wonder how fast diesels would have taken over if work
rules simply specified a 12 hour day without any mileage limit.
Clearly with a mileage limit there was a powerful incentive to
run trains more slowly and with heavier tonnage. Still true today.

Tim

At 11/13/2009 05:54 PM Friday, you wrote:
I just came across this note in reference to Nov 15th.

"1957 - Longest and heaviest train (500 coal cars, 4 miles long, 42,000
tons) hauled by Norfolk and Western Railroad between Iager, West Virginia
and Portsmouth, Ohio".

500 cars? Really? If true, why not 5 sections?

Dave Nelson


Re: Nov 15, 1957

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Bragging rights?
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

I just came across this note in reference to Nov 15th.

"1957 - Longest and heaviest train (500 coal cars, 4 miles long, 42,000
tons) hauled by Norfolk and Western Railroad between Iager, West Virginia
and Portsmouth, Ohio".

500 cars? Really? If true, why not 5 sections?

Dave Nelson


Nov 15, 1957

Dave Nelson
 

I just came across this note in reference to Nov 15th.

"1957 - Longest and heaviest train (500 coal cars, 4 miles long, 42,000
tons) hauled by Norfolk and Western Railroad between Iager, West Virginia
and Portsmouth, Ohio".

500 cars? Really? If true, why not 5 sections?

Dave Nelson


Re: Morton running boards

Ed Hawkins
 

On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Barry_Roth wrote:

Were all running boards made by Morton of the round-hole type? In
other words, when I see reference to a particular series of cars
having "Morton running board," am I safe in using a round-hole product
such as the Plano rb?

At the moment I'm working with an ATSF Bx-44 boxcar, but it would be
useful to know the answer in general terms. Thanks,

Barry Roth
Barry,
Yes. Morton running boards and brake steps all had holes. See my
article about all types of running boards in RP CYC Vol. 16 (shameless
plug).
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Morton running boards

Barry Roth
 

Were all running boards made by Morton of the round-hole type? In other words, when I see reference to a particular series of cars having "Morton running board," am I safe in using a round-hole product such as the Plano rb?

At the moment I'm working with an ATSF Bx-44 boxcar, but it would be useful to know the answer in general terms. Thanks,

Barry Roth


Annual PRR Modeler's Needs Assessment Survey

Jerry Britton
 

Every November, the Keystone Crossings site conducts an "Annual PRR
Modeler's Needs Assessment Survey".

The survey asks respondents to list their top three desired models in each
of several categories, including steam power, diesel power, electric
power, freight rolling stock, passenger rolling stock, etc.

Ballots are typically available for one week and are then summarized on
Keystone Crossings.

Summaries are also sent to several dozen manufacturers. Though our survey
is unscientific, and doesn't take into account quantities each modeler may
desire, we have noted that each year many of our top desires are announced
as products within 12-18 months. So perhaps this data provides a "pulse
point" to the industry.

The ballot is now open and runs through 5:00 p.m., Friday, November 20th.

You will find the ballot and past results here...

http://kc.pennsyrr.com/survey_2009.php

Thank you for your participation!
--
Jerry Britton


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Re: Sunshine XM-1

mcindoefalls
 

Yes, I believe it's the former Yankee Clipper kit.

I believe F&C makes a kit for this. Their number 6005.

Jim Fellows
----- Original Message -----
From: pierreoliver2003
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine XM-1



Does anyone know if Martin is planning on releasing a model of the B&M XM-1 with the "Reverse Creco" door?
Pierre Oliver







Re: Painting Trucks

kenneth broomfield
 

What Kind of chemical paint "stripper" is best?
 
Kenny Broomfield

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Painting Trucks
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:23 PM


 



Ken

Yes, we use paint stripper to strip entire models. Grit blasting
puts an "etch" on slippery plastics that make them far easier to
paint. Chemical stripping is intended to be harmless to the plastic
including not etching it. Grit blasting transforms shiny metal
etched running boards into beautifully "galvanized" pieces of metal.
It can be used very selectively on small areas of a finished model.
And it can thoroughly remove stubborn bits of paint on delicate
parts that remain after chemical stripping. It's an invaluable tool
as Richard said.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/11/2009 10:09 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
Why is this grit blasting superior to say some kind of paint stripper? Also, what kind of paint stripper works best for taking a model all the way down to bare plastic or brass?
Â
Kenny Broomfield










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Re: Painting Trucks

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

I agree Denny. Some sort of "vinyl" is used in armor kits for rubber tires and tank tracks and many people have trouble painting them because they must flex to be installed. I did at first as well until I learned to simply give the parts a good scrubbing with dish detergent and an old toothbrush, a good scrubbing rinse, and an air dry. (I do this to the entire model actually.) Only once did I still have a problem. In that case, I washed and scrubbed off the paint, wiped the parts thoroughly with mineral spirits, then re-did the wash cycle. To be extry sure, I used an enamel base color coat rather than my usual acrylic (I never use primer.) No problemo.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Denny Anspach

Much of the engineering plastic that we paint are in small parts with
relatively high relief and with small surfaces, i.e. truck frames; and
although the paint probably probably does not undergo true surface
adherence, the dried paint film does seem to have enough mechanical
grip on and about the interstices and projections of the detailing
that peeling paint is simply not a problem.


Re: 8-hatch reefers

Kenneth Montero
 

Gene,

It will prove to be an interesting adventure when you do. I got some interesting surprises when I did so.

Ken Montero

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <bierglaeser@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:10:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 8-hatch reefers






Ken,
I don't recall the Madewell name. Perhaps I was inattentive but, as I said, the model is packed for moving. I had a habit of saving kit instructions and "filing" (or piling?) them together. Haven't come across that stack so far in the moving process and I really can't remember how I saved them or where. Wish I could dig them out and see which names are on my various Northeastern and Ambroid kit instructions.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com , va661midlo@... wrote:

Gene,

I have a blue box Ambroid kit no. K-14 is a "C.P (Canadian Pacific) 8-Hat Reefer". The instructions say that the kit was designed and manufactured by Madewell Company, Inc., 15 Main Street, Waltham 54, Massachusetts. The instructions also give that firm as the source for spare parts, Is this name a predecessor or subsidiary of Ambroid or Northeastern (both of whom seemed to have had the same kit at different times)?

Ken Montero


----- Original Message -----
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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:04:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 8-hatch reefers






There is an article in the June 1940 Ry Mechanical Engineer beginning on page 211 about CN refrigerator cars with overhead ice bunkers and 8 htches. These are all-steel, 4/5 square-corner Dreadnaught ends, hinged doors, Dalman trucks, and Ajax hand brakes. The CN built 100 with the first one completed in October 1939.

Way back when there was a Northeastern or Ambroid model of such a reefer as I now recall. I have one but it is packed for moving. My recollection is that the model had wood sides. Does anyone remember this model? Was it of a CN or CP prototype?

Gene Green
heading towards the badlands of New Mexico








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Mopac Gondolas

bflynnd1
 

Group,

After all of the talk on the list of gondolas, I wanted to let you know that the Missouri Pacific Historical Society has released it's fall issue of The Eagle. Of interest to this group is a 30 page article on MP gondolas built 1912 to 1960. Hobby shops that carry it and ordering information can be found on the MPHS website at www.mopac.org.

Brian Flynn
MPHS Archivist


Re: Sunshine XM-1

James Fellows
 

I believe F&C makes a kit f this. Their number 6005.

Jim Fellows

----- Original Message -----
From: pierreoliver2003
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine XM-1



Does anyone know if Martin is planning on releasing a model of the B&M XM-1 with the "Reverse Creco" door?
Pierre Oliver


Re: SP boxcar lettering

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Des Norman wrote:
Many thanks for the prompt reply. I'll make do with what you've given me as the Champ decal set doesn't have the trust info, etc.
Also be aware that when the car was repainted, SP would not have duplicated the builder data, and not always the trust data (after WW II they sometimes used a cast metal plate instead). Ted Culotta's Speedwitch decals for SP box cars do have a trust legend which could be used.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 8-hatch reefers

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Ken,
I don't recall the Madewell name. Perhaps I was inattentive but, as I said, the model is packed for moving. I had a habit of saving kit instructions and "filing" (or piling?) them together. Haven't come across that stack so far in the moving process and I really can't remember how I saved them or where. Wish I could dig them out and see which names are on my various Northeastern and Ambroid kit instructions.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, va661midlo@... wrote:

Gene,

I have a blue box Ambroid kit no. K-14 is a "C.P (Canadian Pacific) 8-Hat Reefer". The instructions say that the kit was designed and manufactured by Madewell Company, Inc., 15 Main Street, Waltham 54, Massachusetts. The instructions also give that firm as the source for spare parts, Is this name a predecessor or subsidiary of Ambroid or Northeastern (both of whom seemed to have had the same kit at different times)?

Ken Montero


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <bierglaeser@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:04:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 8-hatch reefers






There is an article in the June 1940 Ry Mechanical Engineer beginning on page 211 about CN refrigerator cars with overhead ice bunkers and 8 htches. These are all-steel, 4/5 square-corner Dreadnaught ends, hinged doors, Dalman trucks, and Ajax hand brakes. The CN built 100 with the first one completed in October 1939.

Way back when there was a Northeastern or Ambroid model of such a reefer as I now recall. I have one but it is packed for moving. My recollection is that the model had wood sides. Does anyone remember this model? Was it of a CN or CP prototype?

Gene Green
heading towards the badlands of New Mexico




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Re: SP boxcar lettering

Des Norman
 

Tony,
Many thanks for the prompt reply. I'll make do with what you've given me as the Champ decal set doesn't have the trust info, etc.

Regards,
Des Norman

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Des Norman wrote:
However, there are some bits of text that I can't make out in the photo, so I'd be very grateful for some advice, please.

I've got the capacity, dimensions, New and Blt lettering, but what would be in the 2 blocks to the right of New, and also the extreme lower right?
Des, at extreme right is the repack data. Immediately to the right of "NEW" is the builder data; it says

BUILT BY
BETHLEHEM STEEL CO
JOHNSTOWN, PA

To the right of that, adjoining the door, is the equipment trust
information. I can relay it to you if you REALLY want to know what it says.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA


Re: SP boxcar lettering

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Des Norman wrote:
However, there are some bits of text that I can't make out in the photo,
so I'd be very grateful for some advice, please.

I've got the capacity, dimensions, New and Blt lettering, but what would
be in the 2 blocks to the right of New, and also the extreme lower right?
Des, at extreme right is the repack data. Immediately to the right of "NEW" is the builder data; it says

BUILT BY
BETHLEHEM STEEL CO
JOHNSTOWN, PA

To the right of that, adjoining the door, is the equipment trust information. I can relay it to you if you REALLY want to know what it says.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


SP boxcar lettering

Des Norman
 

Hi all,
I'm lettering a 1937 AAR 40ft boxcar. And I'm using the photo of SP 82765 in Ted Culotta's 'Steam era freight cars reference manual' vol.1 Page 159 as a guide.

However, there are some bits of text that I can't make out in the photo, so I'd be very grateful for some advice, please.

I've got the capacity, dimensions, New and Blt lettering, but what would be in the 2 blocks to the right of New, and also the extreme lower right?

Many thanks for any help anyone can give.

Regards,
Des Norman
Perth, Scotland


Re: Media Blasting

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

John;

I also like my blaster, but I just learned the hard way not to spend too much
time in one place on a resin kit.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:02 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Media Blasting



Gentlemen,

There are two factors with grit blasting. One is the media, the other is the
blast pressure. If you use 120 psi you're going to blast off everything in
sight. I grit-blast almost everything with fine blast media in the 60-80 psi
range. I even weather models with it. In my opinion, if your modeling
emphasis is freight car construction, a grit blaster is an indispensible
tool.

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood,
Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Yes, I should have tried other means to remove that "paint".
Unfortunately, it adhered extremely well to certain portions, leaving
others bare. Repeated passes with the tool actually bagan to remove
the rivets in the center of the paint blobs, at which time I stopped.
Examination of the surfaces around the paint blobs showed considerable
erosion of the surface.

Simple surface etching for paint adhesion causes no problems.

Elden Gatwood

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[mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of jerryglow@...
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:00 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Media Blasting



I probably would not use it for paint removal on resin but do
routinely hit the whole model prior to painting. Ted Culotta's
articles almost universally mention doing this regardless of the material
of the model.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood, Elden J SAD "
<elden.j.gatwood@> wrote:

I would also avoid using media blasting using "grit", even the fine
stuff, on resin, without watching VERY closely what it is doing to
the surface. I tried to remove badly applied acrylic paint from a
Westy G22, and while the acrylic blobs gradually came off, the
surrounding unpainted resin was badly scoured and pitted.

Elden Gatwood

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On Behalf Of Bill Welch
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Subject: [STMFC] Media Blasting



I think Dennis meant Harbor Freight instead of "Horrid Freight."

I have used baking soda in the summer in Virginia with good results.
I was using it outside. I liked it as it was cheap and easy to
control. It will not touch brass but I used vinegar to etch this.

Regarding using media blasting instead of paint stripper, I am not a
chemist but somehow I just think putting such a powerful chemical,
whatever it is, on styrene cannot be good for the styrene in the
long run. And let me tell, you do not want to use Chameleon paint
stripper with resin. You do not want to know how I know this.

Bill Welch

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