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Re: Chicago & Illinois Midland Mather Cars(?)
gary laakso
Thanks! That is far more information then the book provided.
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gary laakso south of Mike Brock vasa0vasa@...
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From: Ray Breyer To: STMFC@... Sent: 11/13/2009 8:47:40 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Chicago & Illinois Midland Mather Cars(?) Morning Sun Books new work on theHi Gary, Richard Hendrickson identified these cars as ex-Erie 71000-71999 series rebuilds, and provided me with a clear photo of Erie 71497. The car has a build date of 12-1923, and a reweigh of 8-1941. Checking the 1935 ORER shows that these cars were just coming on line. The 1945 ORER shows the number series as 71000-71567. The closest Erie diagram book I have to this time span is 1957, and that number series isn't listed at all. These cars were never Mathers cars, showed up only after the C&IM dropped passenger service in 1953, and were never carried on the roster as revenue cars, so I have no idea how many there were. I've got a color photo of C&IM 602 pulling one through Pekin in 1954, but that's the only photo I have of these cars. Hope this helps! Ray Breyer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Chicago & Illinois Midland Mather Cars(?)
Ray Breyer
Morning Sun Books new work on the Hi Gary, Richard Hendrickson identified these cars as ex-Erie 71000-71999 series rebuilds, and provided me with a clear photo of Erie 71497. The car has a build date of 12-1923, and a reweigh of 8-1941. Checking the 1935 ORER shows that these cars were just coming on line. The 1945 ORER shows the number series as 71000-71567. The closest Erie diagram book I have to this time span is 1957, and that number series isn't listed at all. These cars were never Mathers cars, showed up only after the C&IM dropped passenger service in 1953, and were never carried on the roster as revenue cars, so I have no idea how many there were. I've got a color photo of C&IM 602 pulling one through Pekin in 1954, but that's the only photo I have of these cars. Hope this helps! Ray Breyer
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Chicago & Illinois Midland Mather Cars(?)
gary laakso
Morning Sun Books new work on the C&IM has a July, 1960 picture at page 121 of 2 forty foot boxcars, 500 and 501, that appear to be Mather cars now with welded side sheets, retained wooden doors and wooden end beams over metal sheeted ends. The caption offers no assistance identifying the cars: "Although superficially similar to the 8000 series Mather box cars the C&IM leased for may years, the two cars are dimensionally different in every dimension except the width of the door (6ft.). The 500 series cars appeared on the roster after the Mather car lease expired in July of 1956. Numbered 500 to 506, they were 40' long with a 40 ton capacity. Rebuilt from older composite cars, they retained their wood doors.....The cars were used for LCL service to local stations along the mainline." The trucks cannot be identified in the dark shadows under the car.
gary laakso south of Mike Brock vasa0vasa@...
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Re: Nov 15, 1957
I recall a news photo of one of the monster N&W coal trains in
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a contemporaneous issue of Trains magazine. I think N&W was just trying to push the edge of the envelope... Obviously it didn't work out that well, but BNSF and UP today regularly run 20,000 ton trains safely, for very long distances. Makes me wonder how fast diesels would have taken over if work rules simply specified a 12 hour day without any mileage limit. Clearly with a mileage limit there was a powerful incentive to run trains more slowly and with heavier tonnage. Still true today. Tim
At 11/13/2009 05:54 PM Friday, you wrote:
I just came across this note in reference to Nov 15th.
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Re: Nov 15, 1957
pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
Bragging rights?
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Pierre Oliver
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Nov 15, 1957
Dave Nelson
I just came across this note in reference to Nov 15th.
"1957 - Longest and heaviest train (500 coal cars, 4 miles long, 42,000 tons) hauled by Norfolk and Western Railroad between Iager, West Virginia and Portsmouth, Ohio". 500 cars? Really? If true, why not 5 sections? Dave Nelson
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Re: Morton running boards
Ed Hawkins
On Nov 13, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Barry_Roth wrote:
Were all running boards made by Morton of the round-hole type? InBarry, Yes. Morton running boards and brake steps all had holes. See my article about all types of running boards in RP CYC Vol. 16 (shameless plug). Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Morton running boards
Barry Roth
Were all running boards made by Morton of the round-hole type? In other words, when I see reference to a particular series of cars having "Morton running board," am I safe in using a round-hole product such as the Plano rb?
At the moment I'm working with an ATSF Bx-44 boxcar, but it would be useful to know the answer in general terms. Thanks, Barry Roth
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Annual PRR Modeler's Needs Assessment Survey
Jerry Britton
Every November, the Keystone Crossings site conducts an "Annual PRR
Modeler's Needs Assessment Survey". The survey asks respondents to list their top three desired models in each of several categories, including steam power, diesel power, electric power, freight rolling stock, passenger rolling stock, etc. Ballots are typically available for one week and are then summarized on Keystone Crossings. Summaries are also sent to several dozen manufacturers. Though our survey is unscientific, and doesn't take into account quantities each modeler may desire, we have noted that each year many of our top desires are announced as products within 12-18 months. So perhaps this data provides a "pulse point" to the industry. The ballot is now open and runs through 5:00 p.m., Friday, November 20th. You will find the ballot and past results here... http://kc.pennsyrr.com/survey_2009.php Thank you for your participation! -- Jerry Britton
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New file uploaded to STMFC
STMFC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /gn wp station log bieber /bieber-1947-oct-dec-800-900.txt Uploaded by : allen_282 <allen_282@...> Description : freight cars thru bieber ca 1947 oct dec *800 *900 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/gn%20wp%20station%20log%20bieber%20/bieber-1947-oct-dec-800-900.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/general.htmlfiles Regards, allen_282 <allen_282@...>
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New file uploaded to STMFC
STMFC@...
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /gn wp station log bieber /bieber-1947-oct-dec-600-700.txt Uploaded by : allen_282 <allen_282@...> Description : freight cars thru bieber ca 1947 oct dec *600 *700 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/gn%20wp%20station%20log%20bieber%20/bieber-1947-oct-dec-600-700.txt To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/general.htmlfiles Regards, allen_282 <allen_282@...>
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Re: Sunshine XM-1
mcindoefalls
Yes, I believe it's the former Yankee Clipper kit.
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I believe F&C makes a kit for this. Their number 6005.
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Re: Painting Trucks
What Kind of chemical paint "stripper" is best?
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Kenny Broomfield
--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Painting Trucks To: STMFC@... Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:23 PM Ken Yes, we use paint stripper to strip entire models. Grit blasting puts an "etch" on slippery plastics that make them far easier to paint. Chemical stripping is intended to be harmless to the plastic including not etching it. Grit blasting transforms shiny metal etched running boards into beautifully "galvanized" pieces of metal. It can be used very selectively on small areas of a finished model. And it can thoroughly remove stubborn bits of paint on delicate parts that remain after chemical stripping. It's an invaluable tool as Richard said. Tim O'Connor At 11/11/2009 10:09 PM Wednesday, you wrote: Why is this grit blasting superior to say some kind of paint stripper? Also, what kind of paint stripper works best for taking a model all the way down to bare plastic or brass? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Painting Trucks
Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
I agree Denny. Some sort of "vinyl" is used in armor kits for rubber tires and tank tracks and many people have trouble painting them because they must flex to be installed. I did at first as well until I learned to simply give the parts a good scrubbing with dish detergent and an old toothbrush, a good scrubbing rinse, and an air dry. (I do this to the entire model actually.) Only once did I still have a problem. In that case, I washed and scrubbed off the paint, wiped the parts thoroughly with mineral spirits, then re-did the wash cycle. To be extry sure, I used an enamel base color coat rather than my usual acrylic (I never use primer.) No problemo.
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From: Denny Anspach Much of the engineering plastic that we paint are in small parts with relatively high relief and with small surfaces, i.e. truck frames; and although the paint probably probably does not undergo true surface adherence, the dried paint film does seem to have enough mechanical grip on and about the interstices and projections of the detailing that peeling paint is simply not a problem.
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Re: 8-hatch reefers
Kenneth Montero
Gene,
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It will prove to be an interesting adventure when you do. I got some interesting surprises when I did so. Ken Montero
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From: "Gene" <bierglaeser@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:10:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [STMFC] Re: 8-hatch reefers Ken, I don't recall the Madewell name. Perhaps I was inattentive but, as I said, the model is packed for moving. I had a habit of saving kit instructions and "filing" (or piling?) them together. Haven't come across that stack so far in the moving process and I really can't remember how I saved them or where. Wish I could dig them out and see which names are on my various Northeastern and Ambroid kit instructions. Gene Green --- In STMFC@... , va661midlo@... wrote:
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Mopac Gondolas
bflynnd1
Group,
After all of the talk on the list of gondolas, I wanted to let you know that the Missouri Pacific Historical Society has released it's fall issue of The Eagle. Of interest to this group is a 30 page article on MP gondolas built 1912 to 1960. Hobby shops that carry it and ordering information can be found on the MPHS website at www.mopac.org. Brian Flynn MPHS Archivist
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Re: Sunshine XM-1
James Fellows
I believe F&C makes a kit f this. Their number 6005.
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Jim Fellows
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From: pierreoliver2003 To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine XM-1 Does anyone know if Martin is planning on releasing a model of the B&M XM-1 with the "Reverse Creco" door? Pierre Oliver
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Re: SP boxcar lettering
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Des Norman wrote:
Many thanks for the prompt reply. I'll make do with what you've given me as the Champ decal set doesn't have the trust info, etc.Also be aware that when the car was repainted, SP would not have duplicated the builder data, and not always the trust data (after WW II they sometimes used a cast metal plate instead). Ted Culotta's Speedwitch decals for SP box cars do have a trust legend which could be used. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: 8-hatch reefers
Gene <bierglaeser@...>
Ken,
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I don't recall the Madewell name. Perhaps I was inattentive but, as I said, the model is packed for moving. I had a habit of saving kit instructions and "filing" (or piling?) them together. Haven't come across that stack so far in the moving process and I really can't remember how I saved them or where. Wish I could dig them out and see which names are on my various Northeastern and Ambroid kit instructions. Gene Green
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Re: SP boxcar lettering
Des Norman
Tony,
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Many thanks for the prompt reply. I'll make do with what you've given me as the Champ decal set doesn't have the trust info, etc. Regards, Des Norman
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