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Atlas 1932 Erie boxcars

Brian Carlson
 

Guys I am looking for an undec Atlas Body style 4 (Erie) 1932 ARA HO car. My
dealer was supposed to get me one but didn't.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: New To Group - Question About Transporting Fish Via Ice Reefers

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Claus,
 
          Might it have been a car load of lobster from Nova Scotia?
 
Fred Freitas

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Claus Schlund (HGM) <claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:


From: Claus Schlund (HGM) <claus@hellgatemodels.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New To Group - Question About Transporting Fish Via Ice Reefers
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:05 PM


 



Hi,

Included in this train is CN #209636, an 8-hatch reefer built in 1942. It was loaded with fish and destined to San Francisco, CA
I remember this post when it was originally send, and I couldn't help but wonder...

Why was a carload of fish traveling from Spark (located just outside Reno) to San Francisco, a port city that has its own fishing
fleet?

Isn't this kind of like bringing a boxcar load of sand to the beach? Or kind of like shipping logs to the logging camp? Coal to the
coal mine?

- Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: "ealabhan0" <ealabhan0@live. com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:55 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: New To Group - Question About Transporting Fish Via Ice Reefers

Al,
As more-authoritative sources have stated, it was not common to transport fish in freight reefers; in the 1940s-50s, fish were
normally shipped in sealed boxes via express reefers. However, one documented case was noted by Brian Leppert in msg #86276 re
Canadian 8-hatch reefers:
"Everyone on this list who is also a member of the Southern Pacific Historical & Technical Society should remember the Fall 2002
issue of the SP Trainline magazine that had a very good article on the Salt Lake Division. Included therein was a reproduction of a
switch list for freight train 2-563, Imlay to Sparks, Nevada (west bound), on May 5, 1944. Included in this train is CN #209636, an
8-hatch reefer built in 1942. It was loaded with fish and destined to San Francisco, CA. Handling instructions for this car was
"DNR"--do not re-ice. Brian Leppert, Carson City, NV"
Canadian 8-hatch reefers were, IIRC, RAMH reefers equipped with brine tanks and meat hooks for transporting hanging meat. So,
while there is one rare precedent that you could use for your prototype-freelance home layout, express reefers are far more
appropriate, and definitely on the club layout you mentioned.
Have fun with fish,
Dave Sieber
Reno NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Al Daumann <sp-blackwidow@ ...> wrote:

. . . On my freelanced home model railroad, I am considering modeling the transportation of fresh ocean fish from Northern
California (e.g. Eureka) to points inland (e.g. Redding) and was wondering whether fresh / fresh frozen fish was transported in iced
reefers in the late 1940s / early 1950s? If so, does any one have any links or references to "fish ops" or "fish reefers"? If they
existed, were "fish reefers" dedicated to fish only service (not sure folks would want their strawberries or magazines smelling like
an old mackerel)?
I'm looking for thoughts on if / how common it was to transport fish in reefers and how credible it would to model such service in
Northern California in the late 40s / early 50s.
Thanks in advance,
Al Daumann

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Re: New To Group - Question About Transporting Fish Via Ice Reefers

George Simmons
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi,

Included in this train is CN #209636, an 8-hatch reefer built in 1942. It was loaded with fish and destined to San Francisco, CA
I remember this post when it was originally send, and I couldn't help but wonder...

Why was a carload of fish traveling from Spark (located just outside Reno) to San Francisco, a port city that has its own fishing
fleet?

Isn't this kind of like bringing a boxcar load of sand to the beach? Or kind of like shipping logs to the logging camp? Coal to the
coal mine?
Evidently, someone wanted a type of fish not local to San Francisco.

George Simmons
Dry


Re: New To Group - Question About Transporting Fish Via Ice Reefers

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi,

Included in this train is CN #209636, an 8-hatch reefer built in 1942. It was loaded with fish and destined to San Francisco, CA
I remember this post when it was originally send, and I couldn't help but wonder...

Why was a carload of fish traveling from Spark (located just outside Reno) to San Francisco, a port city that has its own fishing
fleet?

Isn't this kind of like bringing a boxcar load of sand to the beach? Or kind of like shipping logs to the logging camp? Coal to the
coal mine?

- Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: "ealabhan0" <ealabhan0@live.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:55 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: New To Group - Question About Transporting Fish Via Ice Reefers


Al,
As more-authoritative sources have stated, it was not common to transport fish in freight reefers; in the 1940s-50s, fish were
normally shipped in sealed boxes via express reefers. However, one documented case was noted by Brian Leppert in msg #86276 re
Canadian 8-hatch reefers:
"Everyone on this list who is also a member of the Southern Pacific Historical & Technical Society should remember the Fall 2002
issue of the SP Trainline magazine that had a very good article on the Salt Lake Division. Included therein was a reproduction of a
switch list for freight train 2-563, Imlay to Sparks, Nevada (west bound), on May 5, 1944. Included in this train is CN #209636, an
8-hatch reefer built in 1942. It was loaded with fish and destined to San Francisco, CA. Handling instructions for this car was
"DNR"--do not re-ice. Brian Leppert, Carson City, NV"
Canadian 8-hatch reefers were, IIRC, RAMH reefers equipped with brine tanks and meat hooks for transporting hanging meat. So,
while there is one rare precedent that you could use for your prototype-freelance home layout, express reefers are far more
appropriate, and definitely on the club layout you mentioned.
Have fun with fish,
Dave Sieber
Reno NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Al Daumann <sp-blackwidow@...> wrote:

. . . On my freelanced home model railroad, I am considering modeling the transportation of fresh ocean fish from Northern
California (e.g. Eureka) to points inland (e.g. Redding) and was wondering whether fresh / fresh frozen fish was transported in iced
reefers in the late 1940s / early 1950s? If so, does any one have any links or references to "fish ops" or "fish reefers"? If they
existed, were "fish reefers" dedicated to fish only service (not sure folks would want their strawberries or magazines smelling like
an old mackerel)?
I'm looking for thoughts on if / how common it was to transport fish in reefers and how credible it would to model such service in
Northern California in the late 40s / early 50s.
Thanks in advance,
Al Daumann

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Re: New To Group - Question About Transporting Fish Via Ice Reefers

David Sieber
 

Al,
As more-authoritative sources have stated, it was not common to transport fish in freight reefers; in the 1940s-50s, fish were normally shipped in sealed boxes via express reefers. However, one documented case was noted by Brian Leppert in msg #86276 re Canadian 8-hatch reefers:
"Everyone on this list who is also a member of the Southern Pacific Historical & Technical Society should remember the Fall 2002 issue of the SP Trainline magazine that had a very good article on the Salt Lake Division. Included therein was a reproduction of a switch list for freight train 2-563, Imlay to Sparks, Nevada (west bound), on May 5, 1944. Included in this train is CN #209636, an 8-hatch reefer built in 1942. It was loaded with fish and destined to San Francisco, CA. Handling instructions for this car was "DNR"--do not re-ice. Brian Leppert, Carson City, NV"
Canadian 8-hatch reefers were, IIRC, RAMH reefers equipped with brine tanks and meat hooks for transporting hanging meat. So, while there is one rare precedent that you could use for your prototype-freelance home layout, express reefers are far more appropriate, and definitely on the club layout you mentioned.
Have fun with fish,
Dave Sieber
Reno NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Al Daumann <sp-blackwidow@...> wrote:

  . . . On my freelanced home model railroad, I am considering modeling the transportation of fresh ocean fish from Northern California (e.g. Eureka) to points inland (e.g. Redding) and was wondering whether fresh / fresh frozen fish was transported in iced reefers in the late 1940s / early 1950s?  If so, does any one have any links or references to "fish ops" or "fish reefers"?  If they existed, were "fish reefers" dedicated to fish only service (not sure folks would want their strawberries or magazines smelling like an old mackerel)?
 I'm looking for thoughts on if / how common it was to transport fish in reefers and how credible it would to model such service in Northern California in the late 40s / early 50s.
Thanks in advance,
Al Daumann

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Re: Pre-Trip Inspection

kenneth broomfield
 

As far as what? Freight cars? Train make up? Air brake test? Diesel? Steam? What?
 
Kenny Broomfield

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Bob C <thecitrusbelt@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Bob C <thecitrusbelt@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Pre-Trip Inspection
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 3:21 PM


 



Does someone have a good definition of a pre-trip inspection, preferably from a rule book or manual?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA











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Potential B&O N12 hopper in HO

Jim King
 

I've been asked to consider producing an HO resin kit of the B&O 50/55-ton
2-bay hopper, class N12. There were 4400 of this class scattered between
N12 and N12d subclasses in the 1917 roster, growing to 12,345 by the 1940
roster (up to N12k subclass). It was a very common car, representing 35% of
the open hopper fleet in 1940. By 1962, this fleet was down to only 2290,
due primarily to age and larger capacity hoppers replacing them.



Since I'm not familiar with the B&O as much as with southern roads, I don't
know if there is enough market interest to justify research, CAD time,
patterns, etc. to produce this car. To the casual observer (me), these are
"close" to a traditional USRA twin, outside braced hopper and current
offerings by Accurail and Tichy (maybe others) might be acceptable
stand-ins. To the B&O modeler, the N12 represents a large percentage of the
open hopper fleet in the heyday of steam so having authentic models may be
important. This is why I'm asking for your help to determine product
feasibility.



If you are interested in seeing this car produced as a "1-pc body" kit with
"the usual" underframe castings, detail parts, truck, couplers, decals,
etc., in the mid-$40s price range, please contact me off-list over the next
few days. I'll tabulate the emails after sufficient time has elapsed,
factor in dealer feedback and make a decision from there.



Thanks for your time and support.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

<http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>


Re: MILW 50' dbl dr box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Staffan, I don't know if it helps but I have a builder shot of MILW 13631
that showss a 7 rung ladder on the end, and 9 rung ladders on the sides.
A 1960's photo of MILW 16277 shows 9 rung ladders on sides and ends.

I was going to call Intermountain to try to buy some of their 9-rung
ladder sprues, since two of the ladders in my kit are broken. In the
past IRC has been good about selling parts sprues, cheap.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/14/2009 04:19 PM Saturday, you wrote:
I bought a Rib Side Cars 50' box car double door short ribs plain end kit at the Naperville meet. The instructions say "these cars had 9 rung ladders on the sides and ends". There are only two nine rung ladders in the kit. I can build the additional two nine ring ladders but would prefer to have a picture of one of these cars series 14000-14249 to make sure I do it correctly. Would anyone have a picture of one of these cars that could be shared?

Staffan Ehnbom


Pre-Trip Inspection

Bob C <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Does someone have a good definition of a pre-trip inspection, preferably from a rule book or manual?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


MILW 50' dbl dr box cars

frtcar <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

I bought a Rib Side Cars 50' box car double door short ribs plain end kit at the Naperville meet. The instructions say "these cars had 9 rung ladders on the sides and ends". There are only two nine rung ladders in the kit. I can build the additional two nine ring ladders but would prefer to have a picture of one of these cars series 14000-14249 to make sure I do it correctly. Would anyone have a picture of one of these cars that could be shared?

Staffan Ehnbom


Re: New To Group - Question About Transporting Fish Via Ice Reefers

riverman_vt <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Al Daumann <sp-blackwidow@...> wrote:

Greetings,
    Both the model railroad club I belong to (Santa Susana Railroad Historical Society in Simi Valley, CA) and my home layout (10' x 12' bedroom, the Burney, Redding & Western set in Northern California in the late 1940s) have reefer traffic.  I hope to learn and hopefully, eventually contribute some to the group.  Initially, it will likely be more questions than answers.

  On my freelanced home model railroad, I am considering modeling the transportation of fresh ocean fish from Northern California (e.g. Eureka) to points inland (e.g. Redding) and was wondering whether fresh / fresh frozen fish was transported in iced reefers in the late 1940s / early 1950s?  If so, does any one have any links or references to "fish ops" or "fish reefers"?  If they existed, were "fish reefers" dedicated to fish only service (not sure folks would want their strawberries or magazines smelling like an old mackerel)?

 I'm looking for thoughts on if / how common it was to transport fish in reefers and how credible it would to model such service in Northern California in the late 40s / early 50s.

 Thanks in advance,

Al Daumann

Hello Al,

Guess I'll have to echo Tony for the most part but from the opposite side of the nation. Up into the early 1950's express reefers
with iced fresh fish and other seafood were regularly seen on The Gull, which operated between Boston, Mass. and Halifax, Nova Scotia
on a dailey basis via the B&M, MEC, CPR and CNR. It should be remembered that many of the people in Nova Scotia's Annapolis Valley
were the desecendants of the New England Planters. These were people
from Connecticut largely who responded to the Royal Governor's call in 1763 and 1764 for settlers to occupy farms abandoned by the French after the French & Indian War. In the last two decades of the 1800's many of the descendants of these people returned to New England, largely to the suburban Boston area. For the next 50 to 60 years it appears that it was largely these same people that contributed to a higher consumption of fish in the Boston area than found in many major cities. My own grandmother was one of these people and she worked for the B&M for 32 years. Fish was common on her table and she knew exactly when it came and when and where to get what she wanted at that best price! It seems hard to believe with the large fishing fleets in Gloucester and Cape Ann, not to mention Fall River and New Bedford, but that is the way things were in the first half of the 1900's in the Boston area. An express reefer of fish on The Gull was a regular thing and two cars were not uncommon.

Hope this helps even if not California based info, Don Valentine


Re: Heavy Laser Cut Paper for Running Boards, etc

Jim Hayes
 

Very interesting. Looks good. I'd like to see a sample.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>wrote:



On the Perth Military Modeling site under their new products is a new
concept using heavy laser cut paper for details like light guards on
armor vehicles to achieve a more accurate rendition.

This looks like an ideal way to achieve more accurate steel running
boards and they could be more easily be glued to house cars and tank
cars. Jon Cagle, are you watching?

Here is the link: http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/
kamizukuri.htm

Bill Welch


Heavy Laser Cut Paper for Running Boards, etc

Bill Welch
 

On the Perth Military Modeling site under their new products is a new concept using heavy laser cut paper for details like light guards on armor vehicles to achieve a more accurate rendition.

This looks like an ideal way to achieve more accurate steel running boards and they could be more easily be glued to house cars and tank cars. Jon Cagle, are you watching?

Here is the link: http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/ kamizukuri.htm

Bill Welch


Re: Nov 15, 1957

Jeff Coleman
 

the 500 car train ran in the Fall of 1967 not 1957, many problems with the slave units, train line air and broken couplers end the testing
Jeff Coleman

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Dave Nelson notes:

"1957 - Longest and heaviest train (500 coal cars, 4 miles long, 42,000
tons) hauled by Norfolk and Western Railroad between Iager, West Virginia
and Portsmouth, Ohio".

I believe one of the N&W books described this operation which was...as I
recall...an experiment. I'll do some research on it if no one else has the
info.

Mike Brock


Painting trucks.

Gordon <boomer44@...>
 

I wash my trucks with a pumice type hand-cleaner. Paint with Polly S Rail Brown. Works fine.

Gordon Spalty


Re: New To Group - Question About Transporting Fish Via Ice Reefers

acacd_ssp
 

Tony,
  Thanks for the prompt and detailed reply.  Unfortunately, the portion of my railroad from Redding to Eureka consists of leaving my main yard (Redding), then disappearing through a wall into a closet staging yard which represents Eureka (sorry - no rugged mountain scenes there).  The main portion of the layout room covers the mainline from Redding to Bieber (Nubieber).  My freelanced railroad is very loosely model after both the McCloud and the Northwestern Pacific, both of which I have interchange with, following the route of current California Highway 299 from Eureka to Bieber. 

  I don't have much passenger traffic (I think the NWP had two trains in each direction from Eureka to the Bay Area in my era), so it sounds like I should ship the fish in the express reefers on my passenger trains.  Any idea what type of quantity (i.e. car loads) would be shipped daily?  It doesn't seem as if dedicated reefer trains with fish or even long blocks would be in order, rather just a car or two per day?

 Again, thanks in advance for the info.

Al Daumann




________________________________
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 9:55:13 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New To Group - Question About Transporting Fish Via Ice Reefers

 
Al Daumann wrote:
Both the model railroad club I belong to (Santa Susana Railroad
Historical Society in Simi Valley, CA) and my home layout (10' x 12'
bedroom, the Burney, Redding & Western set in Northern California in
the late 1940s) have reefer traffic. I hope to learn and hopefully,
eventually contribute some to the group. Initially, it will likely
be more questions than answers.
On my freelanced home model railroad, I am considering modeling
the transportation of fresh ocean fish from Northern California
(e.g. Eureka) to points inland (e.g. Redding) and was wondering
whether fresh / fresh frozen fish was transported in iced reefers in
the late 1940s / early 1950s? If so, does any one have any links or
references to "fish ops" or "fish reefers"? If they existed, were
"fish reefers" dedicated to fish only service (not sure folks would
want their strawberries or magazines smelling like an old mackerel)?
I'm looking for thoughts on if / how common it was to transport
fish in reefers and how credible it would to model such service in
Northern California in the late 40s / early 50s.
To my knowledge, this was almost entirely in express reefers and,
for shorter distances, in baggage cars with the fish in boxes of
coarse ice. This of course permitted transportation at passenger
schedule speed. The PFE people I interviewed stated that fish was
rarely if ever carried in conventional (RS) reefers.
If your railroad runs west from Redding to the ocean, I sure
would like to see your mountain modeling some day! that's some rugged
territory.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history




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Re: New To Group - Question About Transporting Fish Via Ice Reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Daumann wrote:
Both the model railroad club I belong to (Santa Susana Railroad Historical Society in Simi Valley, CA) and my home layout (10' x 12' bedroom, the Burney, Redding & Western set in Northern California in the late 1940s) have reefer traffic. I hope to learn and hopefully, eventually contribute some to the group. Initially, it will likely be more questions than answers.
On my freelanced home model railroad, I am considering modeling the transportation of fresh ocean fish from Northern California (e.g. Eureka) to points inland (e.g. Redding) and was wondering whether fresh / fresh frozen fish was transported in iced reefers in the late 1940s / early 1950s? If so, does any one have any links or references to "fish ops" or "fish reefers"? If they existed, were "fish reefers" dedicated to fish only service (not sure folks would want their strawberries or magazines smelling like an old mackerel)?
I'm looking for thoughts on if / how common it was to transport fish in reefers and how credible it would to model such service in Northern California in the late 40s / early 50s.
To my knowledge, this was almost entirely in express reefers and, for shorter distances, in baggage cars with the fish in boxes of coarse ice. This of course permitted transportation at passenger schedule speed. The PFE people I interviewed stated that fish was rarely if ever carried in conventional (RS) reefers.
If your railroad runs west from Redding to the ocean, I sure would like to see your mountain modeling some day! that's some rugged territory.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


New To Group - Question About Transporting Fish Via Ice Reefers

acacd_ssp
 

Greetings,
    Both the model railroad club I belong to (Santa Susana Railroad Historical Society in Simi Valley, CA) and my home layout (10' x 12' bedroom, the Burney, Redding & Western set in Northern California in the late 1940s) have reefer traffic.  I hope to learn and hopefully, eventually contribute some to the group.  Initially, it will likely be more questions than answers.

  On my freelanced home model railroad, I am considering modeling the transportation of fresh ocean fish from Northern California (e.g. Eureka) to points inland (e.g. Redding) and was wondering whether fresh / fresh frozen fish was transported in iced reefers in the late 1940s / early 1950s?  If so, does any one have any links or references to "fish ops" or "fish reefers"?  If they existed, were "fish reefers" dedicated to fish only service (not sure folks would want their strawberries or magazines smelling like an old mackerel)?

 I'm looking for thoughts on if / how common it was to transport fish in reefers and how credible it would to model such service in Northern California in the late 40s / early 50s.

 Thanks in advance,

Al Daumann

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Re: Nov 15, 1957

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Dave Nelson notes:

"1957 - Longest and heaviest train (500 coal cars, 4 miles long, 42,000
tons) hauled by Norfolk and Western Railroad between Iager, West Virginia
and Portsmouth, Ohio".

I believe one of the N&W books described this operation which was...as I recall...an experiment. I'll do some research on it if no one else has the info.

Mike Brock


Red Cabbose tooling for sale

Jim Hayes
 

Red Caboose has an ad in the November RMC listing "All Tooling For Sale"
Looks like we're losing another good freight car source.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

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