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Re: CHAMP DECALS

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Does anyone know if Champ is still selling down their inventory of decals? If so do we know how to contact them?
Yes and yes. Pretty well-behaved web site.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: CHAMP DECALS

Jim Hayes
 

Try www.minot.com/champ/.

Jim Hayes

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:08 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@hawaii.rr.com>wrote:




Does anyone know if Champ is still selling down their inventory of
decals?

If so do we know how to contact them?

Thanks:

Bill Pardie


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CHAMP DECALS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Does anyone know if Champ is still selling down their inventory of decals?

If so do we know how to contact them?

Thanks:

Bill Pardie


Re: Potential B&O N12 hopper in HO

rwitt_2000
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lrkdbn" <lrkdbn@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim King" jimking3@ wrote:

I've been asked to consider producing an HO resin kit of the B&O
50/55-ton
2-bay hopper, class N12.
If this is the car design referred to in "Coal Cars--The first 300
Years" as the "1905 common design" I think it would be a very useful
kit,as many other RRs had them. I know I'd be willing to buy 5 or 6
of a good kit for it.
Larry King


There are rumors that Branchline intends to do the "1905 common design"
in styrene and it would be a slightly different design than the B&O
N-12. I am not sure with Bill Schneider leaving if that will chnage
Branchlines plans. I believe there is room for both cars and Jim's
request can be answered with that possibility in mind.

The B&O N-12 first appeared in ~1912 and is a more modern design; taller
with a larger capacity than the 1905 hoppers. They did retain the end
platforms. Other railroads had very similar hoppers, but I unfortunately
do not have a very complete representation of these cars as I
concentrate on photos of B&O hoppers. A have found a few examples of
"add-on" orders from coal companies for hoppers made from the B&O
drawings. If others have photos from other railroads these could be
compared with the N-12. I will try to obtain permission to post a photo
representative of the N-12 and hopefully we can find many examples.
Although coal hoppers tended to stay on their home roads, I assume that
B&O hoppers wandered far and wide proving loads of coal to many coal
dealers and small coal fired boiler plants across the eastern United
States.

I wish Jim good luck with this project.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: NJI&I 4100-4270 boxcars running board type

Ed Hawkins
 

On Nov 17, 2009, at 11:13 AM, leakinmywaders wrote:

Does anyone have information on the type of running board and brake
step on 40ft boxcars NJI&I 4100-4270? These are steel 8-panel riveted
cars of 10ft 4 1/2in internal height, 5/5 ends, and--I
think--rectangular panel roofs. From profile view the running boards
appear to be metal. Though akin to standard 1944 AAR design (aside
from the modified side panels side sills continuous between bolsters)
these cars aren't listed in my version of Ed Hawkins' table of 1944
AAR boxcars.

Here's an excellent Jim Sands photo at Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/wab/njii4254ajs.jpg

Also if anyone has suggestions about decal sources in HO for this
car, I'd welcome that.

Thanks,
Chris Frissell
Chris,
It's best that Chet French reply to your question to provide what you
are looking for.

Note that the car in the photo has 8-panel sides. Cars in the series
NJI&I 4100-4270 came from two different groups, 50 of which were built
as all-steel cars having 10-panel sides (4100-4149) in 1944 and the
others with 8-panel sides as shown in the photo of 4254. It's unclear
to me if 4100-4149 were the original numbers or if Wabash transferred
them to NJI&I from the original WAB 86000-86874.

The 4254 was originally a war emergency box car from WAB 87000-87124
(refer to Pat Wider's article in RP CYC Vol. 19). Circa 1961-62 (out of
scope for this forum) remaining cars were rebuilt as all-steel cars
with 8-panel riveted sides and placed in series 4150-4270. This is why
these cars aren't listed the roster I prepared.

The 10-panel cars in series NJI&I 4100-4149 should be included in the
AAR box car roster, but I must first determine if these were original
numbers or if they were transferred from Wabash 86000-86874, and if
so, the date of the transfer. There may have been some other cars
renumbered because in 4/51 there were only 607 cars listed in series
WAB 86000-86874.

No doubt that Chet has the answers!
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Painting Trucks- using a blaster as a modeling tool

Bill Welch
 

Actually I have been in touch with John and he is down to one blast media booth and is holding it for me. It sounds like his supplier is no longer. He does have blast media.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:



Hi,
Ned mentioned the North Coast Hobbies line of media abrasives. John Polyak, proprietor of NC told me that he still is selling media blast booths, and fine sized media suitable for modeling purposes. He also has paint booths.

He can be contacted at <jrpolyak@...> and I encourage anyone contemplating a media blaster to contact him. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

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Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars (GN, WP Interchange At Bieber)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
That may well have been true to some extent, but twice as long? I doubt it. GN trains had to come up the steep and twisty Deschutes Gorge from the Columbia River before they got to Bend and another challenging mountain grade between Bend and Chemult.
Richard, you're forgetting that GN had a yard at Klamath Falls and could make up larger trains to run to Bieber from there. Anyone pursuing this topic will need to look at GN trains ARRIVING at K Falls from the north over the difficult terrain Richard correctly describes, as well as arrivals at Bieber.
Richard's second point, that we do not know the extent to which extra freights were operated by EITHER railroad, is also important and can't be solved with employee timetables.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SC&F 1638

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 17, 2009, at 7:37 AM, william darnaby wrote:

Thanks, Richard. I guess I'll go with the flow. OTOH, should I
choose to
stray from 1638 given the dearth of data, who's going to prove me
wrong?
Doing so sounds like a sure way to turn up a photo <g>.
True. And given the fact that the GATC's car numbering "system" in
your era wasn't at all systematic, you could put almost any number on
the car and no one could say you were wrong. I'll never tell. The
trouble is, you've now gone public on the STMFC list, so now someone
will probably point an accusing finger at the model and say, "hey,
I'll bet you made that number up." But then you can just respond
with that enigmatic smile you do so well.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars (GN, WP Interchange At Bieber)

Dave Nelson
 

To get up to Lake Alamanor (2.2% grade) WP usually used three 2-6-6-2's
spaced 10-12 cars apart, and fourth on the end, which might be a 2-8-8-2.
For a typical thru train, at Keddie they would fill out the tonnage with
D&RGW GS Gons bearing w/ Utah coal and they'd manage 2-5mph on the steepest
part of the line.

IIRC, post WWII there were two 2nd class trains, one of which was the
Westwood/Almanor Turn, so there was only one scheduled thru train, #177/178.
On the main, for many years #77/78 were known as trash haulers (a.k.a.
peddlers) which might also say something about these two linking up with the
GN. I doubt there were any more scheduled trains before the war and I'm not
familiar with operations post Korean War.

Doesn't sound like much but then one has to know that at Westwood was one of
the largest lumber mills in the world; if not the largest: Red River Lumber,
home of Paul Bunyon and Babe, his Blue Ox and that alone was apparently
thought to be worth the effort to build this line in the first place. Going
on to Bieber turned out to be a pipe dream: SP screwed the WP w/ a loophole
in an agreement to move lumber on that line and the GN/ATSF traffic was nice
but never lived up to it's high expectations.

FWIW, this route remained dark (unsignalled) well into the UP era (perhaps
even to this day).

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson

...standard WP power on the Keddie to Bieber "High line" was equally
substantial 2-6-6-2s and 2-8-8-2s, and through freight trains (i.e., almost
all of the traffic) were operated with mid-train and rear end helpers. Much
more likely, WP ran only two second class scheduled freight trains a day and
the rest of the freight traffic as non- scheduled extras.


NJI&I 4100-4270 boxcars running board type

leakinmywaders
 

Does anyone have information on the type of running board and brake step on 40ft boxcars NJI&I 4100-4270? These are steel 8-panel riveted cars of 10ft 4 1/2in internal height, 5/5 ends, and--I think--rectangular panel roofs. From profile view the running boards appear to be metal. Though akin to standard 1944 AAR design (aside from the modified side panels side sills continuous between bolsters) these cars aren't listed in my version of Ed Hawkins' table of 1944 AAR boxcars.

Here's an excellent Jim Sands photo at Fallen Flags:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/wab/njii4254ajs.jpg

Also if anyone has suggestions about decal sources in HO for this car, I'd welcome that.

Thanks,

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars (GN, WP Interchange At Bieber)

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 17, 2009, at 12:25 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Al Daumann wrote:
Did the bulk of the GN train become the WP and vice versa? If so,
why are there twice as many WP trains as GN . . .
One possibility is that the GN trains were twice as long (or
twice as heavy), the WP line south of Bieber being more challenging
than the GN line north of it.
That may well have been true to some extent, but twice as long? I
doubt it. GN trains had to come up the steep and twisty Deschutes
Gorge from the Columbia River before they got to Bend and another
challenging mountain grade between Bend and Chemult. Granted, the GN
ran substantial 2-8-8-0s and 2-10-2s on the Oregon line, but the
standard WP power on the Keddie to Bieber "High line" was equally
substantial 2-6-6-2s and 2-8-8-2s, and through freight trains (i.e.,
almost all of the traffic) were operated with mid-train and rear end
helpers. Much more likely, WP ran only two second class scheduled
freight trains a day and the rest of the freight traffic as non-
scheduled extras.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: SC&F 1638

Bill Darnaby
 

Thanks, Richard. I guess I'll go with the flow. OTOH, should I choose to stray from 1638 given the dearth of data, who's going to prove me wrong? Doing so sounds like a sure way to turn up a photo <g>.

Bill Darnaby

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson"

Bill, I supplied the photo on the basis of which that model was
built, and it is the only photo I know of an STC two compartment
car. I have a number of other photos of GATX two compartment cars,
but none were built by STC. That there were other such cars, and
that some of them had safety valves, I don't doubt, but I have never
seen a photo of one. Unfortunately, GATX information in the ORERs is
minimal, and I have never found any other roster information for
General American which might answer your question.


Richard Hendrickson






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Re: Photo file

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "feddersenmark" <feddersenmark@...> wrote:


Looks great, Clark. Is that tissue paper and what/how did you paint it? Mark Feddersen
Mark,
I used a single ply of facial tissue. Beings I did the whole load in about a half hour I used a total of three, three ply tissues because the tacky glue is very sticky and I ruined several! If I had waited between operations it would have gone much better, but I'm like a bad doctor and have no patience.

I used Floquil GN gray-green and mud to airbrush the tarps. After they were, sort of, dry I used caulk for highlights.

Making the load and weathering the car took me maybe an hour and a half…I'm sure if one were to take their time better results could be had.

Clark Propst


Re: Painting Trucks- using a blaster as a modeling tool

Andy Carlson
 

Hi,
Ned mentioned the North Coast Hobbies line of media abrasives. John Polyak, proprietor of NC told me that he still is selling media blast booths, and fine sized media suitable for modeling purposes. He also has paint booths.

He can be contacted at <jrpolyak@juno.com> and I encourage anyone contemplating a media blaster to contact him. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Russell Snow Plow Underframe Detail

Ed <eolszew1@...>
 

I am modeling some Russell Snow Plows and would appreciate any information, drawings or photos of underframe details on these plows from 1900 through 1960. I am specifically modeling DL&W plows but would appreciate any information for any road.

Thanks for your help.
Ed Olszewski
Syracuse, NY


Re: Painting Trucks- using a blaster as a modeling tool

Bob Jones <bobjonesmodels@...>
 

Hi , I think the action is actually stretching the brass , I never use more than 30 PSI , and try for less . Also I find that a 120 grit or finer does the job better . Glass beading is also very risky , I have had boiler bands "grow" with light pressure , just like shot peening , causing some angst and a good bit of extra work . I have used Black Beauty slag grit for removing old Floquil , one of the toughest jobs . Bob Jones , Ct

----- Original Message -----
From: Rod Miller
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 11/16/2009 6:28:53 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Painting Trucks- using a blaster as a modeling tool



80 PSI! Be aware that at that pressure, sheet
metal, e.g. brass on your favorite model, will
warp from the heat caused by the grit's action.
Possibly not a problem on smaller models such
as HO where the blasting time may be shorter.
I know people who have warped O scale diesel
bodies.

It that happens, blasting the opposite
side of the sheet MAY return it to its
pre-blasting shape, but IMHO it is much simpler
to avoid the problem in the first place.

Rod

Ned Carey wrote:
Don't have a grit blaster? Go get one. Those of us who have them
regard them as an absolutely essential modeling tool, on a par with
a good air brush.
Absolutely, I have done a clinic on blasting at the Cocoa meet in the
past. You can do numerous things with a blaster:
a.. remove paint
b.. prepare surfaces for new paint with better adhesion
c.. clean metals for soldering
d.. remove solder residue
e.. remove glue residue
f.. remove mold release from resin parts
g.. remove lettering while leaving existing paint (change numbers)
h.. remove overzealous weathering while leaving existing paint

Grit - while researching my clinic I found that there appear to be
multiple standards for grit size. Simply asking for 220 grit may not get
you what you want.

I use the grit from North Coast Models. It is extremely fine and I
suspect finer than many wind up using. I can blast plastic at 80+ PSI on
plastic with no loss of detail. The size of the grit is more important than
the pressure when it comes to preserving detail.

The North Coast cabinet comes with two nozzles. The larger of the two is
great for stripping paint off models and more the size gun you would use
for auto work. The other is a very small tip. You really need a small
nozzle also for detail work. Honestly I think you need two guns, but if I
had to choose I would pick a small airbrush size gun/tip.

Ned Carey


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Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars (GN, WP Interchange At Bieber)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Daumann wrote:
Did the bulk of the GN train become the WP and vice versa? If so, why are there twice as many WP trains as GN . . .
One possibility is that the GN trains were twice as long (or twice as heavy), the WP line south of Bieber being more challenging than the GN line north of it.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars (GN, WP Interchange At Bieber)

acacd_ssp
 

Allen,
  Thanks for the reply.  Since you are researching Bieber in 1947, I'll assume we share somewhat of a common interest in that place and time.

  My freelanced railroad (Burney, Redding & Western) interchanges with both the GN and the WP in Bieber.  I have some questions, which you may have some information about, regarding the coordination (or lack thereof) of the WP and GN arrivals and departures in Bieber.  Did the bulk of the GN train become the WP and vice versa?  If so, why are there twice as many WP trains as GN (I recognize the timetables are ofset by 2.5 years, which might explain the whole difference)?  I'd like to see a GN timetable from 1947 or a WP timetable from 1950 for Bieber to come arrivals and departures.

  I have an original WP Western Division Timetable (34) dated June 1, 1947.  I also have a copy of a GN Klamath Division Timetable (10) dated January 1, 1950.

  The WP timetable lists four "regular / scheduled" trains per day arriving or departing Bieber:
 1) Eastward 2nd Class #154 Western Pacific Fast Freight arriving 2:00 AM
 2) Eastward 2nd Class #178 Western Pacific Fast Freight arriving 10:40 AM
 3) Westward 2nd Class #153 Western Pacific Fast Freight departing 12:30 AM
 4) Westward 2nd Class #177 Western Pacific Fast Freight departing 1:00 PM

 The GN timetable lists two "regular / scheduled" trains per day arriving or departing Bieber:
 1) Eastward 2nd Class #386 departing 3:00 AM
 2) Westward 2nd Class #387 arriving 6:55 PM

 Again, I'm curious how the cars were routed / forwarded through Bieber to/from the GN to/from the WP.

 Thanks in advance.

Al Daumann
 
 

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From: Allen Rueter <allen_282@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 8:15:16 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars

Al,
I'm working on transcribing what some refer to as a jumbo book, it is a log of cars received and forwarded at Bieber 1947, Oct-Dec.
The log book is ordered by the last two digits, with in a pair of pages it is ordered by the last 3 digits of the car number.
so *02 covers cars where the last two digits are 02, clear as mud?

If you look in the files section, you will some detailed ones that end in 00
( http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/STMFC/ files/gn% 20wp%20station% 20log%20bieber% 20/ )
--
Allen Rueter
StLouis MO

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From: Al Daumann <sp-blackwidow@ sbcglobal. net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 11:19:02 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars

Greetings,
I'm new to the group, does this refer to an earlier discussion? I model a freelanced road that interchanges with the GN at Bieber (Nubieber) in the late 1940s. I'm always looking for new / addtional information.

What does *02 cars stand for?

Al Daumann

____________ _________ _________ __
From: allen_282 <allen_282@yahoo. com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 8:31:00 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars

cars numbers ending with 02 at Bieber 4th quarter out of 259
GN - 40 - tho 2 cars make up 30 entries, with 2-5 day cycle times.
ATsf - 29
Rg/DRG - 28
SP - 17
PFE - 14
Pa/PRR - 12
BO - 8
CBQ - 7
NYC - 7
UTLX -7
IC - 5
RI - 5
Sou - 5
UP - 5
WP - 5
TCX -4
CO - 3
CSVX - 3 (all same car)
DLW - 3
FGE - 3
GATX - 3
LN - 3
Milw - 3
REX - 3
SCCX - 3
strays - ACL,ART,BLE, CGW,CEI,CNW, CRP,CRR, Erie, HTCX, MP, NH, NKP,
NP, NS, NW, PM, Pmcky (SF)Rd , SAL, SLSF, UCR, Wab, WLE

Allen Rueter
while watching the Packers win :)

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Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars

Allen Rueter
 

Al,
I'm working on transcribing what some refer to as a jumbo book, it is a log of cars received and forwarded at Bieber 1947, Oct-Dec.
The log book is ordered by the last two digits, with in a pair of pages it is ordered by the last 3 digits of the car number.
so *02 covers cars where the last two digits are 02, clear as mud?

If you look in the files section, you will some detailed ones that end in 00
( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/gn%20wp%20station%20log%20bieber%20/ )
--
Allen Rueter
StLouis MO




________________________________
From: Al Daumann <sp-blackwidow@sbcglobal.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 11:19:02 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars


Greetings,
I'm new to the group, does this refer to an earlier discussion? I model a freelanced road that interchanges with the GN at Bieber (Nubieber) in the late 1940s. I'm always looking for new / addtional information.

What does *02 cars stand for?

Al Daumann

____________ _________ _________ __
From: allen_282 <allen_282@yahoo. com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, November 15, 2009 8:31:00 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars


cars numbers ending with 02 at Bieber 4th quarter out of 259
GN - 40 - tho 2 cars make up 30 entries, with 2-5 day cycle times.
ATsf - 29
Rg/DRG - 28
SP - 17
PFE - 14
Pa/PRR - 12
BO - 8
CBQ - 7
NYC - 7
UTLX -7
IC - 5
RI - 5
Sou - 5
UP - 5
WP - 5
TCX -4
CO - 3
CSVX - 3 (all same car)
DLW - 3
FGE - 3
GATX - 3
LN - 3
Milw - 3
REX - 3
SCCX - 3
strays - ACL,ART,BLE, CGW,CEI,CNW, CRP,CRR, Erie, HTCX, MP, NH, NKP,
NP, NS, NW, PM, Pmcky (SF)Rd , SAL, SLSF, UCR, Wab, WLE

Allen Rueter
while watching the Packers win :)

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Re: Photo file

feddersenmark
 

Looks great, Clark. Is that tissue paper and what/how did you paint it? Mark Feddersen

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Clark Propst" <cepropst@...> wrote:

I added a file to the photo section with photos of my Tangent gondola load and car. They evidently need some kind of approval first, so the file is empty right now.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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