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For Sale: HO scale rolling stock

Rob Sarberenyi <espeef5@...>
 

I have some steam era along with more modern era rolling stock currently
listed on eBay
http://stores.ebay.com/Espee-F-5

As always, thanks for looking!


Rob Sarberenyi


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I don't know what RDY is, but CRP is Central of Pennsylvania, which was a
subsidiary of Central of New Jersey for tax purposes. IIRC it was a court
order in 1952(?) that forced CNJ to abolish the CRP.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that CRP was set up around '52 in an effort to put some assets
of the CNJ out of the reach (well, that was the idea) of NJ tax authorities. A lot of rolling stock
was re-initialed with CRP with few if any other changes. I think that later this was determined to
be not legal.

Somebody on this list KNOWS the answer, I'm sure.

SGL





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Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars

Tim O'Connor
 

The tax dodge was incorporated into the plot of a Paul Newman
movie, The Young Philadelphians, where he saves a client big bucks
by shuffling some business from NJ to PA taxes.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/21/2009 04:53 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Frank Valoczy wrote:
I don't know what RDY is, but CRP is Central of Pennsylvania, which was a
subsidiary of Central of New Jersey for tax purposes. IIRC it was a court
order in 1952(?) that forced CNJ to abolish the CRP.
Probably means nothing in terms of Frank's abolishment/divestiture, but I photographed a CRP 70-ton flatcar at Colfax, CA, waiting in an eastbound freight in January 1959. The load was one beautiful sailboat, and one disheveled transient who probably had a very cold ride up from Roseville.

Tom Madden


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars (How About The Trains?)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Daumann wrote:
Thanks for the info. So if I'm reading you right and assuming Tim's data (about 25000 cars per 3 months or about 275 cars / day through Bieber), then the total SP traffic would be about 10 times that going through Bieber, or about 2750 cars per day at, say Redding?
That high an amount seems impossible, but I'm quoting a traffic study from 1951. Even the 275/day at Bieber sounds high to me. I'd believe 1500 or so cars daily at Redding, counting both directions.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


LONG MICRO DRILLS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ALTERNATE SOURCE OTHER THAN MODEL EXPO FOR THE
SMALL DRILLS USED FOR FRILLING UNDERFRAMES ? THEIR PHONE SEEMS TO
BE DISCONNECTED AND THERE IS NOT ANY RESPONCE FROM THEIR E-MAIL
THANKS IN ADVANCE:

BILL PARDIE


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars (How About The Trains?)

acacd_ssp
 

Tony,
  Thanks for the info.  So if I'm reading you right and assuming Tim's data (about 25000 cars per 3 months or about 275 cars / day through Bieber), then the total SP traffic would be about 10 times that going through Bieber, or about 2750 cars per day at, say Redding?

Al Daumann




________________________________
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 3:33:01 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars (How About The Trains?)

 
Al Daumann wrote:
Finally, any idea what a comparable number of cars going on the SP
through Redding would be?
Redding has the complication that although SP moved most
traffic on the Cascade Line, diverging at Black Butte, it did continue
in 1947 to move a fair proportion (maybe a fourth) via the Siskiyou
Line. But I do know that the traffic into Klamath Falls (Cascade Line)
was 84% SP, 16% GN. Thus the likely proportion of GN-WP traffic over
the Cascades vs. SP (both routes) was below 10%.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars (How About The Trains?)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Daumann wrote:
Finally, any idea what a comparable number of cars going on the SP through Redding would be?
Redding has the complication that although SP moved most traffic on the Cascade Line, diverging at Black Butte, it did continue in 1947 to move a fair proportion (maybe a fourth) via the Siskiyou Line. But I do know that the traffic into Klamath Falls (Cascade Line) was 84% SP, 16% GN. Thus the likely proportion of GN-WP traffic over the Cascades vs. SP (both routes) was below 10%.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


More on 8 Hatch Reefers.

Brian Carlson
 

Picked up a flyer at a local train show today that True Line Trains is doing
8-Hatch reefers, due in 2010. They are mentioned in the TLT website new but
just artwork renderings. The 8 hatch reefers were discussed a few weeks ago
but I didn't see these mentioned. I plan to get one, to run occasionally
just need to figure out what might be more likely in western Pa, CP, CN, or
GTW.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars (How About The Trains?)

acacd_ssp
 

Tim,
  Very interesting data to me, since I'm modeling a freelanced railroad that interchanges with both the GN and WP at Bieber in the late 1940s.  If your extrapolation is correct, the 24,700 cars in 3 months, would average around 275 cars / per day.

  Recall in an earlier reply, I noted that a 1947 WP timetable had 4 regular / scheduled trains each day and a 1950 GN timetable had 2 each day.  For the WP, the 275 cars would average a little less than 70 cars per train.  This of course includes a big assumption that there were no extras, probably not a good assumption.

  Would it be fair to assume that there would be very little classification / sorting going on a Bieber, meaning that the vast majority of the cars that the WP delivered continuing North on GN and vice versa?  I would assume some cars interchanged with McCloud at Hambone/Lookout.

 Finally, any idea what a comparable number of cars going on the SP through Redding would be?

 Comments, corrections and additional info much appreciated.

Al Daumann




________________________________
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 12:59:34 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars

 

Dave Nelson, I hope you're paying attention! :-) The list below
is 247 cars, just 1/100 of the numbers (00-99). If the distribution
of numbers is uniform (I know, fat chance) that would be 247*100
or 24,700 cars through Bieber in 3 months -- My original guess
was 20,000 to 30,000 cars. Your estimate was 4,000 cars, IIRC.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/21/2009 01:46 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Cars through Bieber 1947 4th quarter ending 02
GN - 35
ATSF - 27
PFE - 23
DRGW - 21
WP - 13
SP - 12
UP - 10
PRR - 10
Milw - 10
NYC - 7
NP - 6
IC - 6
CRIP - 6
WFE - 5
MDT - 5
ART - 5
FGE - 5
Wab - 3
UCR - 3
Sou - 3
NW - 3
strays Soo,SLSF,SCCX, SAL,LN,GMO, CSVX,CBQ, BRE,BO,
WLE, UTLX, SFRD, RDY, RDG, PE, NRC, MP,MOP,LV,LA, ITC,CRP CNJ,CN, CMO, CG, CA, BLE, ACL

not sure about a few of these like CRP 1902, RDY 1902

Allen Rueter



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Re: tools (was Re: Molded-on Grab Irons)

Jim Hayes
 

Tim, I've seen (on paper) and ignored the seam scraper in the past. Looking
at it again after your reccomendation made me look again. I think I have a
use for it right now on my bench.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>wrote:



One of my favorite tools is this "seam scraper" from MicroMark.
Actually, I use it as a REAMER. It is very sharp and pointed, and
it can ream out very small holes and cuts through Delrin etc
beautifully. It's probably good for seam scraping too. :-)

http://www.micromark.com/SEAM-SCRAPER,7547.html

Tim O'Connor

At 11/21/2009 03:25 PM Saturday, you wrote:
The flush end-nippers that Klein once made, and that PPE still
supplies are the handiest off all tools for removing the bulk of cast-
on molded detailing. By removing most of the "overburden" with these
flush-cutters, this then allows the use of a sharp chisel blade to
finish the work with minimal chance of collateral damage. My " sharp
chisel blade" is one of several X-acto blades that have been ground to
shape, i.e. to a narrower profile, and have the corners rounded off.

IMHO, the most important issue with the good use of these blades is to
keep them SHARP! My small Arkansas whet stone is out on the bench
along with a piece of scrap leather as a strop, and I will commonly
whet and strop the blade several times during a sitting or session. I
do the same with razor blades, and in this regard, both X-acto and
good razor blades will last an entire season; and they are sharper and
smoother in doing so than when they were first removed from their
packaging. When the blades become nicked or the profiles are no longer
level -and will no longer hold an edge-, only then do they get the
heave-ho.

I have the Micro Mark chisel, and although I do like it, its use has
not yet persuaded me to give up my handy-dandy razor and X-acto blades.

Denny


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Frank Valoczy wrote:
I don't know what RDY is, but CRP is Central of Pennsylvania, which was a
subsidiary of Central of New Jersey for tax purposes. IIRC it was a court
order in 1952(?) that forced CNJ to abolish the CRP.
Probably means nothing in terms of Frank's abolishment/divestiture, but I photographed a CRP 70-ton flatcar at Colfax, CA, waiting in an eastbound freight in January 1959. The load was one beautiful sailboat, and one disheveled transient who probably had a very cold ride up from Roseville.

Tom Madden


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars

Dave Nelson
 

Tim, I made several mistakes: not finding the HH Copeland report, a
definiative source, was #1. Typing w/o first refreshing my memory was
clearly #2. My bad.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:00 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars


Dave Nelson, I hope you're paying attention! :-) The list below is 247 cars,
just 1/100 of the numbers (00-99). If the distribution of numbers is uniform
(I know, fat chance) that would be 247*100 or 24,700 cars through Bieber in
3 months -- My original guess was 20,000 to 30,000 cars. Your estimate was
4,000 cars, IIRC.

Tim O'Connor


Re: tools (was Re: Molded-on Grab Irons)

Tim O'Connor
 

One of my favorite tools is this "seam scraper" from MicroMark.
Actually, I use it as a REAMER. It is very sharp and pointed, and
it can ream out very small holes and cuts through Delrin etc
beautifully. It's probably good for seam scraping too. :-)

http://www.micromark.com/SEAM-SCRAPER,7547.html

Tim O'Connor

At 11/21/2009 03:25 PM Saturday, you wrote:
The flush end-nippers that Klein once made, and that PPE still
supplies are the handiest off all tools for removing the bulk of cast-
on molded detailing. By removing most of the "overburden" with these
flush-cutters, this then allows the use of a sharp chisel blade to
finish the work with minimal chance of collateral damage. My " sharp
chisel blade" is one of several X-acto blades that have been ground to
shape, i.e. to a narrower profile, and have the corners rounded off.

IMHO, the most important issue with the good use of these blades is to
keep them SHARP! My small Arkansas whet stone is out on the bench
along with a piece of scrap leather as a strop, and I will commonly
whet and strop the blade several times during a sitting or session. I
do the same with razor blades, and in this regard, both X-acto and
good razor blades will last an entire season; and they are sharper and
smoother in doing so than when they were first removed from their
packaging. When the blades become nicked or the profiles are no longer
level -and will no longer hold an edge-, only then do they get the
heave-ho.

I have the Micro Mark chisel, and although I do like it, its use has
not yet persuaded me to give up my handy-dandy razor and X-acto blades.

Denny


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Dave Nelson, I hope you're paying attention! :-) The list below
is 247 cars, just 1/100 of the numbers (00-99). If the distribution
of numbers is uniform (I know, fat chance) that would be 247*100
or 24,700 cars through Bieber in 3 months -- My original guess
was 20,000 to 30,000 cars. Your estimate was 4,000 cars, IIRC.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/21/2009 01:46 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Cars through Bieber 1947 4th quarter ending 02
GN - 35
ATSF - 27
PFE - 23
DRGW - 21
WP - 13
SP - 12
UP - 10
PRR - 10
Milw - 10
NYC - 7
NP - 6
IC - 6
CRIP - 6
WFE - 5
MDT - 5
ART - 5
FGE - 5
Wab - 3
UCR - 3
Sou - 3
NW - 3
strays Soo,SLSF,SCCX,SAL,LN,GMO,CSVX,CBQ,BRE,BO,
WLE, UTLX, SFRD, RDY, RDG, PE, NRC, MP,MOP,LV,LA,ITC,CRP CNJ,CN, CMO, CG, CA, BLE, ACL

not sure about a few of these like CRP 1902, RDY 1902

Allen Rueter


Re: Molded-on Grab Irons and grab iron bending device

Tim O'Connor
 

I believe AMB makes an acrylic grab iron bending jig with
multiple sizes. Also Tichy includes jigs of various kinds
in their kits such as ladder drilling jigs. My workspace is
littered with jigs of all kinds, some of them homemade.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Molded-on Grab Irons (was: Heap Shields)

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

The flush end-nippers that Klein once made, and that PPE still supplies are the handiest off all tools for removing the bulk of cast- on molded detailing. By removing most of the "overburden" with these flush-cutters, this then allows the use of a sharp chisel blade to finish the work with minimal chance of collateral damage. My " sharp chisel blade" is one of several X-acto blades that have been ground to shape, i.e. to a narrower profile, and have the corners rounded off.

IMHO, the most important issue with the good use of these blades is to keep them SHARP! My small Arkansas whet stone is out on the bench along with a piece of scrap leather as a strop, and I will commonly whet and strop the blade several times during a sitting or session. I do the same with razor blades, and in this regard, both X-acto and good razor blades will last an entire season; and they are sharper and smoother in doing so than when they were first removed from their packaging. When the blades become nicked or the profiles are no longer level -and will no longer hold an edge-, only then do they get the heave-ho.

I have the Micro Mark chisel, and although I do like it, its use has not yet persuaded me to give up my handy-dandy razor and X-acto blades.

Denny


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 


not sure about a few of these like CRP 1902, RDY 1902
I don't know what RDY is, but CRP is Central of Pennsylvania, which was a
subsidiary of Central of New Jersey for tax purposes. IIRC it was a court
order in 1952(?) that forced CNJ to abolish the CRP.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)

Allen Rueter
 

Just one CN 47902

--
Allen Rueter StLouis MO


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)

Robert kirkham
 

So not a single Canadian car moving on this line with a car number ending with either 01 or 02?

Rob Kirkham

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From: "allen_282" <allen_282@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 10:26 AM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *01 cars (title correction)

Well craps, these are the *01 cars, not *02

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "allen_282" <allen_282@...> wrote:

cars numbers ending with 02 at Bieber 4th quarter out of 259
GN - 40 - tho 2 cars make up 30 entries, with 2-5 day cycle times.
ATsf - 29
Rg/DRG - 28
SP - 17
PFE - 14
Pa/PRR - 12
BO - 8
CBQ - 7
NYC - 7
UTLX -7
IC - 5
RI - 5
Sou - 5
UP - 5
WP - 5
TCX -4
CO - 3
CSVX - 3 (all same car)
DLW - 3
FGE - 3
GATX - 3
LN - 3
Milw - 3
REX - 3
SCCX - 3
strays - ACL,ART,BLE,CGW,CEI,CNW,CRP,CRR, Erie, HTCX, MP, NH, NKP,
NP, NS, NW, PM, Pmcky (SF)Rd , SAL, SLSF, UCR, Wab, WLE

Allen Rueter
while watching the Packers win :)



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Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars

Allen Rueter
 

Cars through Bieber 1947 4th quarter ending 02
GN - 35
ATSF - 27
PFE - 23
DRGW - 21
WP - 13
SP - 12
UP - 10
PRR - 10
Milw - 10
NYC - 7
NP - 6
IC - 6
CRIP - 6
WFE - 5
MDT - 5
ART - 5
FGE - 5
Wab - 3
UCR - 3
Sou - 3
NW - 3
strays Soo,SLSF,SCCX,SAL,LN,GMO,CSVX,CBQ,BRE,BO,
WLE, UTLX, SFRD, RDY, RDG, PE, NRC, MP,MOP,LV,LA,ITC,CRP CNJ,CN, CMO, CG, CA, BLE, ACL

not sure about a few of these like CRP 1902, RDY 1902

Allen Rueter

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