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Re: Coutts, Alberta (was: Canadian tank cars south of 49)

Ross McLeod <cdnrailmarine@...>
 

Frank - what you may find interesting is that inaddition to CPR traffic interchanged to GN at Coutts/Sweetgrass you will also find CNR traffic (Edmonton...) traffic interchanged to CPR Calgary for GN Sweetgrass.Ross McLeod Calgary

Speaking of Coutts, MT, what road was that on, was it the GN? I'm not
clear on whether the photo I found of a whole string of Imperial Oil tank
cars there was delivering product or picking up crude, though I'd suspect
the latter.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC












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Re: Grab Iron tool

steve l <stevelucas3@...>
 

Jerry--

He's taking a litle poke at poltical correctness. Even Ben Stein has opined on "Christmas" trees in a well-put article. Christmas trees, BTW, were, in STMFC days, shipped in gondola cars to major cities. An interesting load to model, indeed!

As for the grab iron tool, seems to me that Bob Hundman described it in a Mainline article on scratchbuilding an ATSF stock car.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, asychis@... wrote:

"The first you cut in the shape of a (politically incorrect term coming)
Christmas
tree."

Do we really need these sort of comments?

Jerry Michels


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Coutts, Alberta (was: Canadian tank cars south of 49)

al_brown03
 

Coutts, Alberta, is a twin town with Sweetgrass, Montana. It's a significant port of entry to this day. The local railroad is a GN branch that comes up from Virden, just west of Shelby; I don't know where it goes on the Canadian side.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Valoczy" <destron@...> wrote:

<snip>
Speaking of Coutts, MT, what road was that on, was it the GN? I'm not
clear on whether the photo I found of a whole string of Imperial Oil tank
cars there was delivering product or picking up crude, though I'd suspect
the latter.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: IC Box Car Color

Rich C
 

I know a late reply, cleaning up my Yahoo folder, but anyhow the RPC #1 by Ed Hawkins suggests Floquil #110179 Mineral Brown. Underframe and Trucks were black.
 
Rich C

--- On Sat, 5/9/09, John Golden <golden1014@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: John Golden <golden1014@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] IC Box Car Color
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009, 9:13 PM








Gentlemen,

I'm finishing one of the F&C HO scale IC single sheathed box cars, and I could use some help on the color. Does anyone have any suggestions? Brown? Oxide? Red? A mix? Color of underframe and trucks? Thanks.

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN



















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Re: InterMountain 70 ton flat car kits

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Richard, Tom, Andy, and Group,

Thank you for the info regarding the IM coupler box on the 70-ton
flatcar.

Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Nov 23, 2009, at 6:37 AM, Andy wrote:



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson
<rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Nov 22, 2009, at 10:05 AM, William Keene wrote:

I have not seen the 70-ton flat cars yet. What is the method of
installing the couplers on these cars. The experience I had
with the
IM reefers with the press fit coupler box cover resulted in
removal
of the entire box and installation of new boxes to install the
Sergent couplers. Hopefully the flat car uses some other method
than
the press fit coupler box cover.
Bill, the coupler box covers on the IM flat cars are neatly held in
place by small flat head screws.


Richard Hendrickson
Have been using a countersink to make 2-56 flat head screws fit
flush on the cover. Also tap the old pin hole for 2-56s. BTW
McMaster-Carr & others are a good source for small screws at much
better prices than your LHS.



Re: InterMountain 70 ton flat car kits

Andy <eandyjr1@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Nov 22, 2009, at 10:05 AM, William Keene wrote:

I have not seen the 70-ton flat cars yet. What is the method of
installing the couplers on these cars. The experience I had with the
IM reefers with the press fit coupler box cover resulted in removal
of the entire box and installation of new boxes to install the
Sergent couplers. Hopefully the flat car uses some other method than
the press fit coupler box cover.
Bill, the coupler box covers on the IM flat cars are neatly held in
place by small flat head screws.


Richard Hendrickson
Have been using a countersink to make 2-56 flat head screws fit flush on the cover. Also tap the old pin hole for 2-56s. BTW McMaster-Carr & others are a good source for small screws at much better prices than your LHS.


Re: NYC freight car lettering

Brian Carlson
 

Al: I wasn't sure of the date the reporting marks changed so I didn't want
to assume anything. Hopefully someone on here knows for sure.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
al_brown03
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:14 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NYC freight car lettering





Very helpful reference. NYC also changed from Roman to Gothic for reporting
marks and the rest of the lettering, though; Mr. Link's site doesn't address
the date of that (at least in the places I looked).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: NYC freight car lettering

al_brown03
 

Very helpful reference. NYC also changed from Roman to Gothic for reporting marks and the rest of the lettering, though; Mr. Link's site doesn't address the date of that (at least in the places I looked).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J Carlson" <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Tom:

Are you referring to Gothic in the herald? That happened in august 1955
according to Terry Link's site.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
tmolsen@...
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 4:17 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] NYC freight car lettering





List,

Can anyone advise as to when the New York Central went to the Gothic
lettering for freight equipment? My time period and area of choice is PRR
Middle Division Harrisburg/Enola to Altoona in late 1953.

It is a relevant question in as how for every PRR car on the property, there
were a like number of NYC cars at the same time due to the numerous points
on interchange (much to the dismay of the great unwashed number of SPF's).







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Re: NYC freight car lettering

Brian Carlson
 

Tom:

Are you referring to Gothic in the herald? That happened in august 1955
according to Terry Link's site.
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
tmolsen@UDel.Edu
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 4:17 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] NYC freight car lettering





List,

Can anyone advise as to when the New York Central went to the Gothic
lettering for freight equipment? My time period and area of choice is PRR
Middle Division Harrisburg/Enola to Altoona in late 1953.

It is a relevant question in as how for every PRR car on the property, there
were a like number of NYC cars at the same time due to the numerous points
on interchange (much to the dismay of the great unwashed number of SPF's).


Grab Iron tool

SUVCWORR@...
 

That article was in Mainline Modeler but I don't recall the issue and my copies are currently
in storage. The tool works very well and depending on the angle you use, it will allow you to make any wi
width grab iron in small or large increments. The shallower the angle the smaller the steps in width. You
need two pieces of styrene. The first you cut in the shape of a (politically incorrect term coming) Christmas
tree. The trunk becomes the handle. Overlay the branch area with the scribed siding styrene. Then
deepen the scribe lines with either a knife or razor saw. One pass of a saw is usually all that is needed.


Rich Orr

Sometime back one of the magazines ran an article where a piece of sheet
plastic with manufactured scribed slots (siding?) was cut in a triangular
shape with the slots running parallel to the base of the triangle. Then,
you pick the slot that matches the width that you need and lay a piece of
wire in it and simply bend it over the edges of the plastic. Bingo, a grab
iron. The taller the triangle combined with a narrow base gives you a LOT
of slots which vary in length only slightly as you go from one slot to the
next.



I built one of these for a zero cost using scraps from the plastic box and
it works great.



Hopefully my description makes sense.



Allen Cain


Re: Grab Iron tool

asychis@...
 

"The first you cut in the shape of a (politically incorrect term coming)
Christmas
tree."

Do we really need these sort of comments?

Jerry Michels


NYC freight car lettering

tmolsen@...
 

List,

Can anyone advise as to when the New York Central went to the Gothic lettering for freight equipment? My time period and area of choice is PRR Middle Division Harrisburg/Enola to Altoona in late 1953.

It is a relevant question in as how for every PRR car on the property, there were a like number of NYC cars at the same time due to the numerous points on interchange (much to the dismay of the great unwashed number of SPF's).

Best regards,
Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: Wabash large flag lettering scheme

Tim O'Connor
 

It's very odd that 50 had racks in 1957, but only 33 in 1959
(their numbers are listed in Note DD), and then all 50 again
later.

So -- about those CNJ gondolas. Were those Bethlehem gondolas,
like the Sunshine kits? (I hope)

Tim O'Connor

The January 1, 1957 Wabash equipment book shows all 50 cars equipped
with racks in 1956. Those equipped with Ford frame racks had an "8" stenciled above the reporting marks and the cars with Merecury frame racks were stenciled "54". BEWARE, THE REST OF THE MESSAGE GOES BEYOND 1960. I have a color photo of the 12614 repainted in the freight car red with the 33" WABASH and a small flag. The reweigh date appears to be XD 10-64. The 11000 series gons Tim refers to were purchased from the CNJ in 1962 and did have larger flags.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Canadian tank cars south of 49; also, Coutts, Montana

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Reading the messages about cars through Bieber I got curious as to whether
anyone of you who've gone through wheel reports of US roads have found
(m)any Canadian-registered tank cars in trains in the US. Or, photos of
such cars taken in the US. I'd most especially be interested in hearing
about cars lettered for IOX, PRPX, BMMX, SUPX, COBX, CSGX, BAOX and CGTX,
but anything Canadian would be interesting.

I do know from photographic evidence that cars lettered for Imperial Oil
crossed the border in the 1930s and before (amongst others, whole trains
of IOX cars into Coutts, Montana), but haven't found anything after 1935.

Speaking of Coutts, MT, what road was that on, was it the GN? I'm not
clear on whether the photo I found of a whole string of Imperial Oil tank
cars there was delivering product or picking up crude, though I'd suspect
the latter.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: CNJ-CRP tax dodge [was Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars]

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Yeah, and 'sides, it's just an eastern road . . .8^/
(Maybe we should talk about coal cars for a while . . .)
Long as it's freight cars, not taxes and tax rates.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Wabash large flag lettering scheme

cef39us <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

David

Digging through the ORER's, sometime between 1955 and 1959 Wabash
converted 33 of the 50 Wabash 12600-12649 series to Ford auto frame
loading service. By 1963 all 50 cars were equipped for auto frames.

As it happens, the TANGENT model I bought, 12625, was not converted
by 1959. Phew!

All of the ORER's show these Wabash gondolas listed as COAL cars! Weird.

I have photos of two repainted Wabash 52' gondolas (11615/11623) with huge
WABASH roadname and a small flag to the right of the name. However it does
appear that 11623's flag is slightly larger (maybe 10-15%) than 11615's.

Curiouser and curiouser...


The January 1, 1957 Wabash equipment book shows all 50 cars equipped
with racks in 1956. Those equipped with Ford frame racks had an "8" stenciled above the reporting marks and the cars with Merecury frame racks were stenciled "54". BEWARE, THE REST OF THE MESSAGE GOES BEYOND 1960. I have a color photo of the 12614 repainted in the freight car red with the 33" WABASH and a small flag. The reweigh date appears to be XD 10-64. The 11000 series gons Tim refers to were purchased from the CNJ in 1962 and did have larger flags.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: CNJ-CRP tax dodge [was Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars]

Schuyler Larrabee
 

William Bryk wrote:
More comments on this would be welcome.
Maybe not to all of us. Seems to have minimal importance for
freight cars--we already know the validity period of the reporting
marks.

Tony Thompson
Yeah, and 'sides, it's just an eastern road . . .8^/

SGL

(Maybe we should talk about coal cars for a while . . .)





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Re: Wabash large flag lettering scheme

Tim O'Connor
 

David,

Looking further, the 1965 ORER (post-N&W merger) shows all 50 of
the gondolas still lettered for Wabash, and the 1972 ORER shows
that 24 of them still had Wabash reporting marks.

Since the cars were reasonably new when the Wabash merged into the
N&W I would not be surprised to find that none of them was repainted
while in Wabash service.

Sure would be good to find a photo of one of the auto frame cars!

Tim O'Connor

While on the subject of Wabash repaints, does anyone have shots of the ACF 70-ton welded gondolas repainted into any Wabash schemes? We are looking for repaint possibilities for the Tangent Scale Models HO scale gondola model.

Thank you!

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models


Re: CNJ-CRP tax dodge [was Bieber 1947 4th quarter *02 cars]

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

William Bryk wrote:
More comments on this would be welcome.
Maybe not to all of us. Seems to have minimal importance for freight cars--we already know the validity period of the reporting marks.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Wabash large flag lettering scheme

Tim O'Connor
 

David

Digging through the ORER's, sometime between 1955 and 1959 Wabash
converted 33 of the 50 Wabash 12600-12649 series to Ford auto frame
loading service. By 1963 all 50 cars were equipped for auto frames.

As it happens, the TANGENT model I bought, 12625, was not converted
by 1959. Phew!

All of the ORER's show these Wabash gondolas listed as COAL cars! Weird.

I have photos of two repainted Wabash 52' gondolas (11615/11623) with huge
WABASH roadname and a small flag to the right of the name. However it does
appear that 11623's flag is slightly larger (maybe 10-15%) than 11615's.

Curiouser and curiouser...

Tim O'Connor

At 11/22/2009 11:27 PM Sunday, you wrote:
While on the subject of Wabash repaints, does anyone have shots of the ACF 70-ton welded gondolas repainted into any Wabash schemes? We are looking for repaint possibilities for the Tangent Scale Models HO scale gondola model.

Thank you!

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models

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