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Re: Centralia Car Shops

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Actually I think it is just a case of allowing Intermountain to do the marketing. And I know for sure that some of the CCC tooling was NOT done by Intermountain since I've actually seen the tooling for their SOO line caboose at a highly regarded west coast manufacturer. I won't disclose the maker since I don't know if Ron would appreciate my disclosing who the maker was, even though their products are synonymous with high quality plastic components.

Bill Daniels

Tucson, AZ

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Centralia Car Shops
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 2:04 PM







 









Jerry



I don't know what the selling agreement is -- ask Ron! :-) IRC has

Bethlehem, Tichy, Red Caboose, et al for sale as well. I think CCS

is Ron Sebastian's name for his custom tooling, but the tooling is

(has always been AFAIK) at Intermountain. I suppose IRC could have

bought out CCS and retained the brand name...



Tim O



At 11/24/2009 03:52 PM Tuesday, you wrote:

Tim, you wrote: Right, CCS is custom Intermountain tooling.
That's unclear to me. Do you mean CCS is selling cars made by
InterMountain or the other way around? InterMountain has CCS cars on its website.
Jerry Michels
























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Re: Intermountain bulkhead cars

rwitt_2000
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:


I think the B&O car is accurate... but is the NYC flat ok?

B&O http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48753.htm
NYC http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48752.htm

My understanding the information for the bulkhead version was supplied
by Jim Mischke and is correct for the B&O and close for some other
railroads. The is a storage cabinet to keep loading devices on the
A-end of the B&O bulkheads, but InterMountain choose to omit it to make
the bulkhead more generic.

There are several photos of the B&O cars on the Elwood site showing the
bulkheads.


* FB 9304
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo-f9304goc.jpg> - - 03/78 - {Gary
Overfield Collection}
* FB 9428
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9428akg.jpg> - Newark NJ -
07/05/82 - {Karl Geffchen Photo} - Napporano
* FB 9432
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9432akg.jpg> - Newark NJ -
08/07/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo} - B end
* FB 9432
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9432bkg.jpg> - Newark NJ -
08/07/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9432
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9432ckg.jpg> - Newark NJ -
08/07/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9439
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9439akg.jpg> - Newark NJ -
01/02/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9440
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9440akg.jpg> - Newark NJ -
07/05/82 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9606
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9606akg.jpg> - Jersey City NJ -
03/01/81 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9719
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo-f9719goa.jpg> - -
03/77 - {Gary Overfield Collection}


Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: Coke questions

Jason Greene
 

I used to work at one of the by-products plants here in Birmingham. The size is not the same as ballast. The lumps are generally between a softball and football in size. As for the color, it depends on coal it is coked from. Alabama coal leaves you with a darker coke than PA or KY coal. Generally though I would say to start with grimy black and lighten it just a bit. I do not have a color photo unfortunately.

I can tell you that black coke hoppers or gons should weather with a grayish black dust, ask anyone who has seen one of my trucks...My wife hated that place when I would come home with a nasty truck.

As for Bee-hive ovens, if you are modeling steel mills, iron furnaces, or coke ovens you will not be dealing with these unless you were modeling pre-1920 or so. This is the time period when the bee-hives were completely replaced by bee-hives. The "modern" ovens came about during that time.

If more information were available about the Mary Lee, Alabama Consolidated Co. and Sloss-Sheffield railroad equipment pre-diesel era, I would be tempted to model the Mary Lee instead of the Southern Rwy. Very interesting railroad.

Jason Greene
Birmingham, AL

If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem


Re: Swift Refrigerator Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

HO scale?? Sunshine 24.1 to 24.6, 24.22 to 24.24, 46.17

Tim O

At 11/24/2009 03:51 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Say guys, are there any accurate models out there of a Swift Meat reefer? I cannot find any....in plastic anyway. I am needing a few that would have been around in the late 30's to mid 40's. In reading several posts on this list of a year ago, I know that the paint scheme was yellow/orange sides with black lettering and no logo. If a resin kit is available, I would appreciate knowing about it and any decal set available. Thanks.

Charles Etheredge


Swift Reefers

Charles Etheredge
 

Guys, I have found where Sunshine produced kits for the Swift reefers....and they still show as available. Question? What is the difference between the "5200"series and the "6700" series kits? Length?

Charles Etheredge


Re: Centralia Car Shops

Tim O'Connor
 

Jerry

I don't know what the selling agreement is -- ask Ron! :-) IRC has
Bethlehem, Tichy, Red Caboose, et al for sale as well. I think CCS
is Ron Sebastian's name for his custom tooling, but the tooling is
(has always been AFAIK) at Intermountain. I suppose IRC could have
bought out CCS and retained the brand name...

Tim O

At 11/24/2009 03:52 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Tim, you wrote: Right, CCS is custom Intermountain tooling.

That's unclear to me. Do you mean CCS is selling cars made by
InterMountain or the other way around? InterMountain has CCS cars on its website.

Jerry Michels


Swift Refrigerator Cars

Charles Etheredge
 

Say guys, are there any accurate models out there of a Swift Meat reefer? I cannot find any....in plastic anyway. I am needing a few that would have been around in the late 30's to mid 40's. In reading several posts on this list of a year ago, I know that the paint scheme was yellow/orange sides with black lettering and no logo. If a resin kit is available, I would appreciate knowing about it and any decal set available. Thanks.

Charles Etheredge


Re: Coke questions

Jack Burgess
 

There is a photo of coke fuel on Wikipedia at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coke_%28fuel%29


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Coke questions

Tim O'Connor
 

So... you think a dark gray ballast (basalt rock) from AZ-Rock would do?
Is HO scale ballast about the right size for coke?

(I'm asking because I just finished my B&O O-27 gondola w/ coke containers
and I was wondering if I should just leave them empty...)

Tim O'Connor

Jerry:
Coke is usually a light grey, silvery color, at least from the old
beehive or the more modern non-recovery systems (you didn't specify era). I
am less sure about coke from a byproduct plant.

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ
I wouldn't say silvery... it's not shiney at all, and nowhere near that light in color. I remember handling it for my neighbor's forge when I was a kid. If I had to match it for color, I'd say somewhere between Floquil Grimy Black and a photographer's 18% gray card (anyone still use those things?)

If I had to build a load, I'd use scale coal or ballast and spray paint it with a dead flat dark gray., maybe a dark gray automotive primer from a spray bomb.


Re: Coke questions

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Hiser" <ehiser@...> wrote:

If one wanted to model coke, say to fill the Walthers coke containers, what
material would one use, and what color would it be? Thanks!

Jerry Michels

Jerry:
Coke is usually a light grey, silvery color, at least from the old
beehive or the more modern non-recovery systems (you didn't specify era). I
am less sure about coke from a byproduct plant.

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ
I wouldn't say silvery... it's not shiney at all, and nowhere near that light in color. I remember handling it for my neighbor's forge when I was a kid. If I had to match it for color, I'd say somewhere between Floquil Grimy Black and a photographer's 18% gray card (anyone still use those things?)

If I had to build a load, I'd use scale coal or ballast and spray paint it with a dead flat dark gray., maybe a dark gray automotive primer from a spray bomb.


Re: Shipping Christmas Trees

Bill Vaughn
 

By 1978 I remember swithcing 50' double door cars with Christmas trees.  But again very old and on there last legs.  Some may not have made the empty return trip.
 
Bill Vaughn

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, charles slater <atsfcondr42@hotmail.com> wrote:


From: charles slater <atsfcondr42@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Shipping Christmas Trees
To: "STMFC List" <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 10:39 AM



I worked as a switchman in L.A. from 1970-1984 and at least up until 1975 we would handle box cars only loaded with Christmas trees beginning in late November up until mid December for Safeway and Market Basket (two large grocery stores chaines in Southern Calif) and they would arrive in the oldest junk 40 foot box cars. The trees were loaded crosswise in the cars about 6 to 8 feet high and top iced with crushed ice blown into the cars and covered the trees about 12" thick. Sometimes the doors were closed and sometimes they were left open. And sometimes a few were missing when the cars arrived in L.A. The stores allways gave us a tree when we delivered the cars to them if we wanted one.

These cars were old NP, SP&S, GN, Milw, SP, CB&Q and just about anything from the northwest and all of these cars were in the last years of service.

These cars were delivered to their warehouses for unloading and trucked to the stores for sale. The only good thing about those cars is you could smell them a long ways off.

Charlie Slater   



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: pc66ot@sbcglobal.net
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:00:35 -0800
Subject: [STMFC] Shipping Christmas Trees

 



Were Christmas Trees shipped in reefers? Were insulated boxcars around in enough numbers to be a reasonable alternative? (I model 1952) Did they, reefer loads of Christmas trees,  need to be iced, or simply kept at a reasonably cool temp?

Did these loads make up a significant "surge" in traffic to take up much of the unused slack in reefer fleets during November and December?

I ASSume November and December are slow months for Reefers. I know that many reefers were pressed into express service to handle the increased mail and express load as we got closer to Christmas, but did the shipment of trees make a dent in this use of reefers?

Were loads of cut trees sent to a metropolitan produce market's for distribution to retail outlets? Were cut trees a sort of "produce"?

Tons of questions but it sparked an interest. Thank you all in advance.

Paul Catapano

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Re: Stan's long stock car

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

There is already an online list in the STMFC Files web page. It may
not be 100% current but it's close, based on what I saw at Naperville.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/24/2009 11:31 AM Tuesday, you wrote:
Is there a resource on-line that has an up-to-date list/description of Stan's offerings?

Bill Welch


Re: Centralia Car Shops

Tim O'Connor
 

Right, CCS is custom Intermountain tooling. DPH also has a
line of custom tooled S scale models. I believe it was DPH
who had the Viking roof made for the Red Caboose 1937 box cars.
I wish more retailers would take such a pro-active approach to
the hobby!

Tim O'Connor

Jerry,

AFAIK, Centrailia is still owned by Des Plaines Hobbies. See:

http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/store/

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD


Re: Coke questions

Tim O'Connor
 

Petroleum coke is a dark, inky black and is "fine" material. I'll
go with Eric on coal coke until someone comes up with a color photo :-)

If you want to see coke go to Google news and look at yesterday's
derailment in Houston -- hopper cars of coke all over the highway!

Tim O'Connor

At 11/24/2009 01:54 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
If one wanted to model coke, say to fill the Walthers coke containers, what
material would one use, and what color would it be? Thanks!

Jerry Michels

Jerry:
Coke is usually a light grey, silvery color, at least from the old
beehive or the more modern non-recovery systems (you didn't specify era). I
am less sure about coke from a byproduct plant.

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ


Intermountain bulkhead cars

Tim O'Connor
 

I think the B&O car is accurate... but is the NYC flat ok?

B&O http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48753.htm
NYC http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48752.htm

Thanks
Tim O'Connor


Re: Coke questions

Eric Hiser <ehiser@...>
 

If one wanted to model coke, say to fill the Walthers coke containers, what
material would one use, and what color would it be? Thanks!

Jerry Michels

Jerry:
Coke is usually a light grey, silvery color, at least from the old
beehive or the more modern non-recovery systems (you didn't specify era). I
am less sure about coke from a byproduct plant.

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ


Re: Christmas Trees by Rail

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Wilkens wrote:
So to "Legally" include Christmas on this list I'll ask the following, did the railroads that served the Christmas tree growing areas of North America see all that many shipments of trees by rail? How were they handled? Box cars? Refrigerator cars? Gondolas?
I've never seen anything in photos except box cars. SP publicity photos often showed box cars being either loaded or unloaded, and were included in their Christmas article for the employee magazine, _SP Bulletin_ most years, so I'd assume they would use a typical scene.
One exception: as included in my volume on SP flat cars, the National Christmas Tree, set up every year outside the White House, was usually shipped on a long flat car. In 1960, SP used a TOFC car for this.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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Re: Shipping Christmas Trees

charles slater
 

I worked as a switchman in L.A. from 1970-1984 and at least up until 1975 we would handle box cars only loaded with Christmas trees beginning in late November up until mid December for Safeway and Market Basket (two large grocery stores chaines in Southern Calif) and they would arrive in the oldest junk 40 foot box cars. The trees were loaded crosswise in the cars about 6 to 8 feet high and top iced with crushed ice blown into the cars and covered the trees about 12" thick. Sometimes the doors were closed and sometimes they were left open. And sometimes a few were missing when the cars arrived in L.A. The stores allways gave us a tree when we delivered the cars to them if we wanted one.

These cars were old NP, SP&S, GN, Milw, SP, CB&Q and just about anything from the northwest and all of these cars were in the last years of service.

These cars were delivered to their warehouses for unloading and trucked to the stores for sale. The only good thing about those cars is you could smell them a long ways off.

Charlie Slater



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: pc66ot@sbcglobal.net
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:00:35 -0800
Subject: [STMFC] Shipping Christmas Trees





Were Christmas Trees shipped in reefers? Were insulated boxcars around in enough numbers to be a reasonable alternative? (I model 1952) Did they, reefer loads of Christmas trees, need to be iced, or simply kept at a reasonably cool temp?

Did these loads make up a significant "surge" in traffic to take up much of the unused slack in reefer fleets during November and December?

I ASSume November and December are slow months for Reefers. I know that many reefers were pressed into express service to handle the increased mail and express load as we got closer to Christmas, but did the shipment of trees make a dent in this use of reefers?

Were loads of cut trees sent to a metropolitan produce market's for distribution to retail outlets? Were cut trees a sort of "produce"?

Tons of questions but it sparked an interest. Thank you all in advance.

Paul Catapano

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Re: Wright Trak SAL gondola kit

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

I just decaled one side of the gon and about had a heart attack. The New Date on the decal sheet is 1957. I model 54. But, a quick glance at the prototype photos showed one with a reweigh date of 1950.

I find it extremely necessary to include a prototype data sheet with each model kit.

Decals are nice quality, no repack data though.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: WrightTrak B&O M-53

charles slater
 

Yes I did and still waiting for the decals to arrive.

Charlie Slater



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: Bruce_Griffin@uncg.edu
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:45:30 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] WrightTrak B&O M-53





Guys,

I know several of you must have purchased this kit at Naperville. Any feedback? I have one person's opinion of the kit, but would like to hear others to be fair. Thanks.

Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin
Editor, The B&O Modeler
Summerfield, NC





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