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Re: Coke questions

mcindoefalls
 

I have a hunk o' coke I picked up along the tracks years ago, and it's quite porous and a medium gray color, like charcoal, I'd say. The piece is about four inches by six inches by three inches or so. So maybe O scale ballast would work?

Walt Lankenau

So... you think a dark gray ballast (basalt rock) from AZ-Rock would do?
Is HO scale ballast about the right size for coke?

(I'm asking because I just finished my B&O O-27 gondola w/ coke containers
and I was wondering if I should just leave them empty...)

Tim O'Connor



Jerry:
Coke is usually a light grey, silvery color, at least from the old
beehive or the more modern non-recovery systems (you didn't specify era). I
am less sure about coke from a byproduct plant.

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ
I wouldn't say silvery... it's not shiney at all, and nowhere near that light in color. I remember handling it for my neighbor's forge when I was a kid. If I had to match it for color, I'd say somewhere between Floquil Grimy Black and a photographer's 18% gray card (anyone still use those things?)

If I had to build a load, I'd use scale coal or ballast and spray paint it with a dead flat dark gray., maybe a dark gray automotive primer from a spray bomb.


Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *04 cars

LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
 

Shouldn't the "stray" FGEX car be included with the three FGE cars?

Thank you very much for compiling this database.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ




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From: allen_282 <allen_282@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 12:04:49 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *04 cars

 
cars ending 04 thru Bieber 1947 4th quarter

GN 38
ATSF 24
PFE 16
WP 16
DRGW 14
SP 12
IC 10
PRR, SFRD, SOU 9
CBQ , CNW 6
ART, MP, NP, SAL, UTLX 4
BO, FGE, MILW, NKP, NYC 3
CSVX, IGN, LAPX, LN, MDT, PLE, UP, WFE, ALTON/CA 2
SPS 1
strays:
CG CGW CP CRIP DTI FGEX GATX GTW NH NW NWX ?OB
SCCX SSW UCR WLE

What's with all the Southern cars?
Sou 261004 906 10/17 2127 10/17
Sou 166104 2005 10/13 258 10/13
Sou 261604 911 12/5 2017 12/5
Sou 148704 2126 11/21 203 11/21
Sou 13804 2107 11/7 203 11/7
Sou 13804 260 11/22 2019 11/22
Sou 11804 911 12/6 2007 12/6
Sou 116904 2127 10/13 906 10/13
Sou 116904 2127 12/7 911 12/7

SAL
SAL 17304 254 11/9 2008 11/9
Sal 15604 2101 10/26 205 10/26
Sal 17604 202 11/11 2127 11/11
SAL 19704 2019 12/27 201 12/28

For Dave, till I get a photo it would look like:
...
"Recvd: SAL 17 304 254 11/9"
"Forwd: 2008 - "
...
"Recvd: Sal 15 604 2101 10/26"
"Forwd: 205 - "
...
"Recvd: Sal 17 604 202 11/11"
"Forwd: 2127 -"
...
"Recvd: SAL 19 704 2019 12/27"
"Forwd: 201 12/28"

WP engine numbers are < 1000, GN's are generally >1000.
so 17304 17604 were northbound, 15604, 19704 were south bound

the trailing 3 digits are preprinted in the book.
of course yahoo will mangle it.
Allen Rueter




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Re: Swift Reefers

Jim Hayes
 

Go to the Flyers by RR link on my website to find flyers for all the
Sunshine Swift reefer kits. Reading the flyers should answer your questions.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:05 PM, nativetexan <ceth512@earthlink.net> wrote:



Guys, I have found where Sunshine produced kits for the Swift
reefers....and they still show as available. Question? What is the
difference between the "5200"series and the "6700" series kits? Length?

Charles Etheredge



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Re: Coke questions

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jason Greene wrote:
As for Bee-hive ovens, if you are modeling steel mills, iron furnaces, or coke ovens you will not be dealing with these unless you were modeling pre-1920 or so. This is the time period when the bee-hives were completely replaced . . .
Certainly not true everywhere, Jason. Beehives were still in use in West Virginia as late as WW II, maybe later.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Centralia Car Shops

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Actually I think it is just a case of allowing Intermountain to do the marketing. And I know for sure that some of the CCC tooling was NOT done by Intermountain since I've actually seen the tooling for their SOO line caboose at a highly regarded west coast manufacturer. I won't disclose the maker since I don't know if Ron would appreciate my disclosing who the maker was, even though their products are synonymous with high quality plastic components.

Bill Daniels

Tucson, AZ

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Centralia Car Shops
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 2:04 PM







 









Jerry



I don't know what the selling agreement is -- ask Ron! :-) IRC has

Bethlehem, Tichy, Red Caboose, et al for sale as well. I think CCS

is Ron Sebastian's name for his custom tooling, but the tooling is

(has always been AFAIK) at Intermountain. I suppose IRC could have

bought out CCS and retained the brand name...



Tim O



At 11/24/2009 03:52 PM Tuesday, you wrote:

Tim, you wrote: Right, CCS is custom Intermountain tooling.
That's unclear to me. Do you mean CCS is selling cars made by
InterMountain or the other way around? InterMountain has CCS cars on its website.
Jerry Michels
























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Re: Intermountain bulkhead cars

rwitt_2000
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:


I think the B&O car is accurate... but is the NYC flat ok?

B&O http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48753.htm
NYC http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48752.htm

My understanding the information for the bulkhead version was supplied
by Jim Mischke and is correct for the B&O and close for some other
railroads. The is a storage cabinet to keep loading devices on the
A-end of the B&O bulkheads, but InterMountain choose to omit it to make
the bulkhead more generic.

There are several photos of the B&O cars on the Elwood site showing the
bulkheads.


* FB 9304
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo-f9304goc.jpg> - - 03/78 - {Gary
Overfield Collection}
* FB 9428
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9428akg.jpg> - Newark NJ -
07/05/82 - {Karl Geffchen Photo} - Napporano
* FB 9432
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9432akg.jpg> - Newark NJ -
08/07/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo} - B end
* FB 9432
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9432bkg.jpg> - Newark NJ -
08/07/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9432
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9432ckg.jpg> - Newark NJ -
08/07/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9439
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9439akg.jpg> - Newark NJ -
01/02/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9440
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9440akg.jpg> - Newark NJ -
07/05/82 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9606
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9606akg.jpg> - Jersey City NJ -
03/01/81 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9719
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo-f9719goa.jpg> - -
03/77 - {Gary Overfield Collection}


Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: Coke questions

Jason Greene
 

I used to work at one of the by-products plants here in Birmingham. The size is not the same as ballast. The lumps are generally between a softball and football in size. As for the color, it depends on coal it is coked from. Alabama coal leaves you with a darker coke than PA or KY coal. Generally though I would say to start with grimy black and lighten it just a bit. I do not have a color photo unfortunately.

I can tell you that black coke hoppers or gons should weather with a grayish black dust, ask anyone who has seen one of my trucks...My wife hated that place when I would come home with a nasty truck.

As for Bee-hive ovens, if you are modeling steel mills, iron furnaces, or coke ovens you will not be dealing with these unless you were modeling pre-1920 or so. This is the time period when the bee-hives were completely replaced by bee-hives. The "modern" ovens came about during that time.

If more information were available about the Mary Lee, Alabama Consolidated Co. and Sloss-Sheffield railroad equipment pre-diesel era, I would be tempted to model the Mary Lee instead of the Southern Rwy. Very interesting railroad.

Jason Greene
Birmingham, AL

If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem


Re: Swift Refrigerator Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

HO scale?? Sunshine 24.1 to 24.6, 24.22 to 24.24, 46.17

Tim O

At 11/24/2009 03:51 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Say guys, are there any accurate models out there of a Swift Meat reefer? I cannot find any....in plastic anyway. I am needing a few that would have been around in the late 30's to mid 40's. In reading several posts on this list of a year ago, I know that the paint scheme was yellow/orange sides with black lettering and no logo. If a resin kit is available, I would appreciate knowing about it and any decal set available. Thanks.

Charles Etheredge


Swift Reefers

Charles Etheredge
 

Guys, I have found where Sunshine produced kits for the Swift reefers....and they still show as available. Question? What is the difference between the "5200"series and the "6700" series kits? Length?

Charles Etheredge


Re: Centralia Car Shops

Tim O'Connor
 

Jerry

I don't know what the selling agreement is -- ask Ron! :-) IRC has
Bethlehem, Tichy, Red Caboose, et al for sale as well. I think CCS
is Ron Sebastian's name for his custom tooling, but the tooling is
(has always been AFAIK) at Intermountain. I suppose IRC could have
bought out CCS and retained the brand name...

Tim O

At 11/24/2009 03:52 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Tim, you wrote: Right, CCS is custom Intermountain tooling.

That's unclear to me. Do you mean CCS is selling cars made by
InterMountain or the other way around? InterMountain has CCS cars on its website.

Jerry Michels


Swift Refrigerator Cars

Charles Etheredge
 

Say guys, are there any accurate models out there of a Swift Meat reefer? I cannot find any....in plastic anyway. I am needing a few that would have been around in the late 30's to mid 40's. In reading several posts on this list of a year ago, I know that the paint scheme was yellow/orange sides with black lettering and no logo. If a resin kit is available, I would appreciate knowing about it and any decal set available. Thanks.

Charles Etheredge


Re: Coke questions

Jack Burgess
 

There is a photo of coke fuel on Wikipedia at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coke_%28fuel%29


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Coke questions

Tim O'Connor
 

So... you think a dark gray ballast (basalt rock) from AZ-Rock would do?
Is HO scale ballast about the right size for coke?

(I'm asking because I just finished my B&O O-27 gondola w/ coke containers
and I was wondering if I should just leave them empty...)

Tim O'Connor

Jerry:
Coke is usually a light grey, silvery color, at least from the old
beehive or the more modern non-recovery systems (you didn't specify era). I
am less sure about coke from a byproduct plant.

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ
I wouldn't say silvery... it's not shiney at all, and nowhere near that light in color. I remember handling it for my neighbor's forge when I was a kid. If I had to match it for color, I'd say somewhere between Floquil Grimy Black and a photographer's 18% gray card (anyone still use those things?)

If I had to build a load, I'd use scale coal or ballast and spray paint it with a dead flat dark gray., maybe a dark gray automotive primer from a spray bomb.


Re: Coke questions

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Hiser" <ehiser@...> wrote:

If one wanted to model coke, say to fill the Walthers coke containers, what
material would one use, and what color would it be? Thanks!

Jerry Michels

Jerry:
Coke is usually a light grey, silvery color, at least from the old
beehive or the more modern non-recovery systems (you didn't specify era). I
am less sure about coke from a byproduct plant.

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ
I wouldn't say silvery... it's not shiney at all, and nowhere near that light in color. I remember handling it for my neighbor's forge when I was a kid. If I had to match it for color, I'd say somewhere between Floquil Grimy Black and a photographer's 18% gray card (anyone still use those things?)

If I had to build a load, I'd use scale coal or ballast and spray paint it with a dead flat dark gray., maybe a dark gray automotive primer from a spray bomb.


Re: Shipping Christmas Trees

Bill Vaughn
 

By 1978 I remember swithcing 50' double door cars with Christmas trees.  But again very old and on there last legs.  Some may not have made the empty return trip.
 
Bill Vaughn

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, charles slater <atsfcondr42@hotmail.com> wrote:


From: charles slater <atsfcondr42@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Shipping Christmas Trees
To: "STMFC List" <stmfc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 10:39 AM



I worked as a switchman in L.A. from 1970-1984 and at least up until 1975 we would handle box cars only loaded with Christmas trees beginning in late November up until mid December for Safeway and Market Basket (two large grocery stores chaines in Southern Calif) and they would arrive in the oldest junk 40 foot box cars. The trees were loaded crosswise in the cars about 6 to 8 feet high and top iced with crushed ice blown into the cars and covered the trees about 12" thick. Sometimes the doors were closed and sometimes they were left open. And sometimes a few were missing when the cars arrived in L.A. The stores allways gave us a tree when we delivered the cars to them if we wanted one.

These cars were old NP, SP&S, GN, Milw, SP, CB&Q and just about anything from the northwest and all of these cars were in the last years of service.

These cars were delivered to their warehouses for unloading and trucked to the stores for sale. The only good thing about those cars is you could smell them a long ways off.

Charlie Slater   



To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
From: pc66ot@sbcglobal.net
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:00:35 -0800
Subject: [STMFC] Shipping Christmas Trees

 



Were Christmas Trees shipped in reefers? Were insulated boxcars around in enough numbers to be a reasonable alternative? (I model 1952) Did they, reefer loads of Christmas trees,  need to be iced, or simply kept at a reasonably cool temp?

Did these loads make up a significant "surge" in traffic to take up much of the unused slack in reefer fleets during November and December?

I ASSume November and December are slow months for Reefers. I know that many reefers were pressed into express service to handle the increased mail and express load as we got closer to Christmas, but did the shipment of trees make a dent in this use of reefers?

Were loads of cut trees sent to a metropolitan produce market's for distribution to retail outlets? Were cut trees a sort of "produce"?

Tons of questions but it sparked an interest. Thank you all in advance.

Paul Catapano

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Re: Stan's long stock car

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

There is already an online list in the STMFC Files web page. It may
not be 100% current but it's close, based on what I saw at Naperville.

Tim O'Connor

At 11/24/2009 11:31 AM Tuesday, you wrote:
Is there a resource on-line that has an up-to-date list/description of Stan's offerings?

Bill Welch


Re: Centralia Car Shops

Tim O'Connor
 

Right, CCS is custom Intermountain tooling. DPH also has a
line of custom tooled S scale models. I believe it was DPH
who had the Viking roof made for the Red Caboose 1937 box cars.
I wish more retailers would take such a pro-active approach to
the hobby!

Tim O'Connor

Jerry,

AFAIK, Centrailia is still owned by Des Plaines Hobbies. See:

http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/store/

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD


Re: Coke questions

Tim O'Connor
 

Petroleum coke is a dark, inky black and is "fine" material. I'll
go with Eric on coal coke until someone comes up with a color photo :-)

If you want to see coke go to Google news and look at yesterday's
derailment in Houston -- hopper cars of coke all over the highway!

Tim O'Connor

At 11/24/2009 01:54 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
If one wanted to model coke, say to fill the Walthers coke containers, what
material would one use, and what color would it be? Thanks!

Jerry Michels

Jerry:
Coke is usually a light grey, silvery color, at least from the old
beehive or the more modern non-recovery systems (you didn't specify era). I
am less sure about coke from a byproduct plant.

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ


Intermountain bulkhead cars

Tim O'Connor
 

I think the B&O car is accurate... but is the NYC flat ok?

B&O http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48753.htm
NYC http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48752.htm

Thanks
Tim O'Connor


Re: Coke questions

Eric Hiser <ehiser@...>
 

If one wanted to model coke, say to fill the Walthers coke containers, what
material would one use, and what color would it be? Thanks!

Jerry Michels

Jerry:
Coke is usually a light grey, silvery color, at least from the old
beehive or the more modern non-recovery systems (you didn't specify era). I
am less sure about coke from a byproduct plant.

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ

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