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Re: Coke questions

Tim O'Connor

#86699

Start with ground up schist?

Tim O'

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  I'd agree about the gray scale, and certainly it isn't metallic at  
all, but to call the typical coke sheen "silvery" seems about right to  
me. It is most certainly not a flat gray. Not sure how to model it  
believably.

Tony Thompson

Re: Coke questions

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>

#86698

Dennis S. wrote:
As for size, no one specified what the coke was to be used for. If  for retail sale (coke was sold for home heating and stove coal in  areas where Anthracite shipping would be costly) it would be graded  like coal was. If for steel making, I assume it was random sizes as  it came from the ovens.      Good point. My observation when I lived in Pittsburgh was that  the coke coming out of US Steel's Clairton coke works (one of the  largest in the country) looked a lot like typical coal chunks as to  size, but was immediately recognizable as coke due to the gray color  and "silvery" appearance in certain lighting. I'd assume this was  steelmaking coke.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

Re: Centralia Car Shops

Dennis Storzek

#86697

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "kjstrenski" <kjstrenski@...> wrote:

Bill and Group:

I had sent two e-mails to Intermountain requesting info on the Soo caboose tooling and received no response.  Sounds like this is why.

Without making you feel uncomfortable did that un-named manufacturer have any plans for the Soo caboose?

Thanks.

John
WF TX
No, because Ron just had my resin kit patterns copied after he bought the line from me.

Why not just order issue 24-2, Spring 2002 of The SOO from the society web site:

http://sooline.org/publications/theSOO/past.html

It has the same drawings I worked up for the kit patterns cleaned up for publication.

Dennis

Re: Coke questions

Dennis Storzek

#86696

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:

I used to work at one of the by-products plants here in Birmingham. The size is not the same as ballast. The lumps are generally between a softball and football in size. As for the color, it depends on coal it is coked from. Alabama coal leaves you with a darker coke than PA or KY coal. Generally though I would say to start with grimy black and lighten it just a bit. I do not have a color photo unfortunately.Yeah, I should have expanded on that. Pet coke is almost pure carbon, and is very black, but coaking coal takes out all the volitals, but leaves the ash (other non-carbon mineral content). So, whatever the ash content of the coal, it all ends up in the coke, which makes it a lighter gray.

As for size, no one specified what the coke was to be used for. If for retail sale (coke was sold for home heating and stove coal in areas where Anthracite shipping would be costly) it would be graded like coal was. If for steel making, I assume it was random sizes as it came from the ovens.

Dennis

Re: Intermountain bulkhead cars

spsalso

#86729

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


I think the B&O car is accurate... but is the NYC flat ok?

B&O   http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48753.htm
NYC   http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48752.htm

Thanks
Tim O'Connor
On the prototypes, the triangular cutouts in the sides of the bulkhead supports are smaller on the B&O car than the NYC--the bottom of the triangle is higher.  I called Intermountain and asked which they were doing.  I was told the B&O.  This would imply the NYC car is wrong, though not by much--one could probably file the bottom of the triangle downwards to get the NYC version; though if there are also the same triangular cutouts in the inner braces, those could get kinda nasty.  There may be other differences, but this one was quite noticeable to me.

Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: Centralia Car Shops

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>

#86695

Richard's response is exactly correct. While the dies are at the manufacturer, they are still owned by Ron/CCC and they need their permission to run them.  It's a shame they are no longer available, since I would like to have a couple of them...

Bill Daniels

Tucson, AZ

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--- On Tue, 11/24/09, kjstrenski <kjstrenski@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: kjstrenski <kjstrenski@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Centralia Car Shops
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 3:04 PM

      Bill and Group:

I had sent two e-mails to Intermountain requesting info on the Soo caboose tooling and received no response.  Sounds like this is why.

Without making you feel uncomfortable did that un-named manufacturer have any plans for the Soo caboose?

Thanks.

John

WF TX

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Bill Daniels <billinsf@.. .> wrote:

Actually I think it is just a case of allowing Intermountain to do the marketing. And I know for sure that some of the CCC tooling was NOT done by Intermountain since I've actually seen the tooling for their SOO line caboose at a highly regarded west coast manufacturer. I won't disclose the maker since I don't know if Ron would appreciate my disclosing who the maker was, even though their products are synonymous with high quality plastic components.Bill Daniels

Re: Coke questions

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>

#86693

Dennis S. wrote:
I wouldn't say silvery... it's not shiney at all, and nowhere near  that light in color. I remember handling it for my neighbor's forge  when I was a kid. If I had to match it for color, I'd say somewhere  between Floquil Grimy Black and a photographer's 18% gray card  (anyone still use those things?)   I'd agree about the gray scale, and certainly it isn't metallic at  all, but to call the typical coke sheen "silvery" seems about right to  me. It is most certainly not a flat gray. Not sure how to model it  believably.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

Re: Centralia Car Shops

John Strenski

#86692

Bill and Group:

I had sent two e-mails to Intermountain requesting info on the Soo caboose tooling and received no response.  Sounds like this is why.

Without making you feel uncomfortable did that un-named manufacturer have any plans for the Soo caboose?

Thanks.

John
WF TX

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--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bill Daniels <billinsf@...> wrote:

Actually I think it is just a case of allowing Intermountain to do the marketing. And I know for sure that some of the CCC tooling was NOT done by Intermountain since I've actually seen the tooling for their SOO line caboose at a highly regarded west coast manufacturer. I won't disclose the maker since I don't know if Ron would appreciate my disclosing who the maker was, even though their products are synonymous with high quality plastic components.

Bill Daniels

Re: Centralia Car Shops

Rhbale@...

#86691

AFAIK Ron Sebastian owns Centrailia Car Shops, the name and the tooling and decides what should be built. InterMountain is responsible for manufacturing and marketing including direct sales and distribution to hobby retailers. The arrangement with Tichy is similiar.

Richard Bale

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Daniels <billinsf@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 24, 2009 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Centralia Car Shops

Actually I think it is just a case of allowing Intermountain to do the marketing. And I know for sure that some of the CCC tooling was NOT done by Intermountain since I've actually seen the tooling for their SOO line caboose at a highly regarded west coast manufacturer. I won't disclose the maker since I don't know if Ron would appreciate my disclosing who the maker was, even though their products are synonymous with high quality plastic components.

Bill Daniels

Tucson, AZ

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Centralia Car Shops
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 2:04 PM

Jerry

I don't know what the selling agreement is -- ask Ron! :-) IRC has

Bethlehem, Tichy, Red Caboose, et al for sale as well. I think CCS

is Ron Sebastian's name for his custom tooling, but the tooling is

(has always been AFAIK) at Intermountain. I suppose IRC could have

bought out CCS and retained the brand name...

Tim O

At 11/24/2009 03:52 PM Tuesday, you wrote:

Tim, you wrote: Right, CCS is custom Intermountain tooling.That's unclear to me. Do you mean CCS is selling cars made byInterMountain or the other way around? InterMountain has CCS cars on its website.Jerry Michels[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Re: Coke questions

mcindoefalls

#86690

I have a hunk o' coke I picked up along the tracks years ago, and it's quite porous and a medium gray color, like charcoal, I'd say. The piece is about four inches by six inches by three inches or so. So maybe O scale ballast would work?

Walt Lankenau

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So... you think a dark gray ballast (basalt rock) from AZ-Rock would do?
Is HO scale ballast about the right size for coke?

(I'm asking because I just finished my B&O O-27 gondola w/ coke containers
and I was wondering if I should just leave them empty...)

Tim O'Connor



Jerry:
      Coke is usually a light grey, silvery color, at least from the old
beehive or the more modern non-recovery systems (you didn't specify era).  I
am less sure about coke from a byproduct plant.

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZI wouldn't say silvery... it's not shiney at all, and nowhere near that light in color. I remember handling it for my neighbor's forge when I was a kid. If I had to match it for color, I'd say somewhere between Floquil Grimy Black and a photographer's 18% gray card (anyone still use those things?)

If I had to build a load, I'd use scale coal or ballast and spray paint it with a dead flat dark gray., maybe a dark gray automotive primer from a spray bomb.

Re: Bieber 1947 4th quarter *04 cars

LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>

#86689

Shouldn't the "stray" FGEX car be included with the three FGE cars?

Thank you very much for compiling this database.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ




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From: allen_282 <allen_282@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 12:04:49 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Bieber 1947 4th quarter *04 cars

 
cars ending 04 thru Bieber 1947 4th quarter

GN 38
ATSF 24
PFE 16
WP 16
DRGW 14
SP 12
IC 10
PRR, SFRD, SOU 9
CBQ , CNW 6
ART, MP, NP, SAL, UTLX 4
BO, FGE, MILW, NKP, NYC 3
CSVX, IGN, LAPX, LN, MDT, PLE, UP, WFE, ALTON/CA 2
SPS 1
strays:
CG CGW CP CRIP DTI FGEX GATX GTW NH NW NWX ?OB
SCCX SSW UCR WLE

What's with all the Southern cars?
Sou 261004 906 10/17 2127 10/17
Sou 166104 2005 10/13 258 10/13
Sou 261604 911 12/5 2017 12/5
Sou 148704 2126 11/21 203 11/21
Sou 13804 2107 11/7 203 11/7
Sou 13804 260 11/22 2019 11/22
Sou 11804 911 12/6 2007 12/6
Sou 116904 2127 10/13 906 10/13
Sou 116904 2127 12/7 911 12/7

SAL
SAL 17304 254 11/9 2008 11/9
Sal 15604 2101 10/26 205 10/26
Sal 17604 202 11/11 2127 11/11
SAL 19704 2019 12/27 201 12/28

For Dave, till I get a photo it would look like:
...
"Recvd: SAL 17 304 254 11/9"
"Forwd: 2008 - "
...
"Recvd: Sal 15 604 2101 10/26"
"Forwd: 205 - "
...
"Recvd: Sal 17 604 202 11/11"
"Forwd: 2127 -"
...
"Recvd: SAL 19 704 2019 12/27"
"Forwd: 201 12/28"

WP engine numbers are < 1000, GN's are generally >1000.
so 17304 17604 were northbound, 15604, 19704 were south bound

the trailing 3 digits are preprinted in the book.
of course yahoo will mangle it.
Allen Rueter




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Re: Swift Reefers

Jim Hayes

#86688

Go to the Flyers by RR link on my website to find flyers for all the
Sunshine Swift reefer kits. Reading the flyers should answer your questions.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:05 PM, nativetexan <ceth512@earthlink.net> wrote:

Guys, I have found where Sunshine produced kits for the Swift
reefers....and they still show as available. Question? What is the
difference between the "5200"series and the "6700" series kits? Length?

Charles Etheredge

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Re: Coke questions

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>

#86687

Jason Greene wrote:
As for Bee-hive ovens, if you are modeling steel mills, iron  furnaces, or coke ovens you will not be dealing with these unless  you were modeling pre-1920 or so. This is the time period when the  bee-hives were completely replaced . . .     Certainly not true everywhere, Jason. Beehives were still in use  in West Virginia as late as WW II, maybe later.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

Re: Centralia Car Shops

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>

#86686

Actually I think it is just a case of allowing Intermountain to do the marketing. And I know for sure that some of the CCC tooling was NOT done by Intermountain since I've actually seen the tooling for their SOO line caboose at a highly regarded west coast manufacturer. I won't disclose the maker since I don't know if Ron would appreciate my disclosing who the maker was, even though their products are synonymous with high quality plastic components.

Bill Daniels

Tucson, AZ

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--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Centralia Car Shops
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 2:04 PM

      Jerry

I don't know what the selling agreement is -- ask Ron! :-) IRC has

Bethlehem, Tichy, Red Caboose, et al for sale as well. I think CCS

is Ron Sebastian's name for his custom tooling, but the tooling is

(has always been AFAIK) at Intermountain. I suppose IRC could have

bought out CCS and retained the brand name...

Tim O

At 11/24/2009 03:52 PM Tuesday, you wrote:

Tim, you wrote: Right, CCS is custom Intermountain tooling.That's unclear to me.  Do you mean CCS is selling cars made byInterMountain or the other way around? InterMountain has CCS cars on its  website.Jerry Michels

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Re: Intermountain bulkhead cars

rwitt_2000

#86685

Tim O'Connor wrote:


I think the B&O car is accurate... but is the NYC flat ok?

B&O   http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48753.htm
NYC   http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48752.htm

My understanding the information for the bulkhead version was supplied
by Jim Mischke and is correct for the B&O and close for some other
railroads. The is a storage cabinet to keep loading devices on the 
A-end of the B&O bulkheads, but InterMountain choose to omit it to make
the bulkhead more generic.

There are several photos of the B&O cars on the Elwood site showing the
bulkheads.


    *           FB      9304 
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo-f9304goc.jpg>  - - 03/78 - {Gary
Overfield Collection}
    *             FB      9428 
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9428akg.jpg>  - Newark NJ          - 
07/05/82 - {Karl Geffchen Photo} - Napporano
    *             FB      9432 
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9432akg.jpg>  - Newark NJ          - 
08/07/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo} - B end
    *             FB      9432 
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9432bkg.jpg>  - Newark NJ          - 
08/07/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
    *             FB      9432 
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9432ckg.jpg>  - Newark NJ          - 
08/07/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
    *             FB      9439 
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9439akg.jpg>  - Newark NJ          - 
01/02/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
    *             FB      9440 
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9440akg.jpg>  - Newark NJ          - 
07/05/82 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
    *             FB      9606 
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9606akg.jpg>  - Jersey City NJ     - 
03/01/81 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
    *           FB      9719 
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo-f9719goa.jpg>  -                 -
03/77 - {Gary Overfield Collection}


Regards,

Bob Witt

Re: Coke questions

Jason Greene

#86684

I used to work at one of the by-products plants here in Birmingham. The size is not the same as ballast. The lumps are generally between a softball and football in size. As for the color, it depends on coal it is coked from. Alabama coal leaves you with a darker coke than PA or KY coal. Generally though I would say to start with grimy black and lighten it just a bit. I do not have a color photo unfortunately.

I can tell you that black coke hoppers or gons should weather with a grayish black dust, ask anyone who has seen one of my trucks...My wife hated that place when I would come home with a nasty truck.

As for Bee-hive ovens, if you are modeling steel mills, iron furnaces, or coke ovens you will not be dealing with these unless you were modeling pre-1920 or so. This is the time period when the bee-hives were completely replaced by bee-hives. The "modern" ovens came about during that time.

If more information were available about the Mary Lee, Alabama Consolidated Co. and Sloss-Sheffield railroad equipment pre-diesel era, I would be tempted to model the Mary Lee instead of the Southern Rwy. Very interesting railroad.

Jason Greene
Birmingham, AL

If you can't fix it with a hammer,  you've got an electrical problem

Re: Swift Refrigerator Cars

Tim O'Connor

#86682

HO scale?? Sunshine 24.1 to 24.6, 24.22 to 24.24, 46.17

Tim O

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At 11/24/2009 03:51 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Say guys,  are there any accurate models out there of a Swift Meat reefer?   I cannot find any....in plastic anyway.  I am needing a few that would have been around in the late 30's to mid 40's.  In reading several posts on this list of a year ago,  I know that the paint scheme was yellow/orange sides with black lettering and no logo.  If a resin kit is available,  I would appreciate knowing about it and any decal set available.   Thanks.

Charles Etheredge

Swift Reefers

Charles Etheredge

#86683

Guys,  I have found where Sunshine produced kits for the Swift reefers....and they still show as available.  Question?  What is the difference between the "5200"series and the "6700" series kits?  Length?

Charles Etheredge

Re: Centralia Car Shops

Tim O'Connor

#86681

Jerry

I don't know what the selling agreement is -- ask Ron! :-) IRC has
Bethlehem, Tichy, Red Caboose, et al for sale as well. I think CCS
is Ron Sebastian's name for his custom tooling, but the tooling is
(has always been AFAIK) at Intermountain. I suppose IRC could have
bought out CCS and retained the brand name... 

Tim O

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At 11/24/2009 03:52 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Tim, you wrote: Right, CCS is custom Intermountain tooling. 

That's unclear to me.  Do you mean CCS is selling cars made by  
InterMountain or the other way around? InterMountain has CCS cars on its  website.

Jerry Michels

Swift Refrigerator Cars

Charles Etheredge

#86680

Say guys,  are there any accurate models out there of a Swift Meat reefer?   I cannot find any....in plastic anyway.  I am needing a few that would have been around in the late 30's to mid 40's.  In reading several posts on this list of a year ago,  I know that the paint scheme was yellow/orange sides with black lettering and no logo.  If a resin kit is available,  I would appreciate knowing about it and any decal set available.   Thanks.

Charles Etheredge