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Re: Atlas HO Hart Ballast Cars

peteraue
 

Before you paint them, you may want to consider a fix to their biggest shortfall: They sit too high on the rails. Richard Hendrickson published an excellent article how to fix them in the SFRH&MS Warbonnet Q1-2004. If you need a copy please contact me.
Peter Aue


Re: Kit instructions: - was Stan's long stock car

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

With resin kits priced at $40-50 today as a consumer I buy what I think I need, not necessarily knowing anything about the prototype car. I'm depending on the maker to provide me with not only good photos and text for construction, but knowledge of the prototype.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Kit instructions: - was Stan's long stock car

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

According to Red Green, it's manly to throw the instructions away. However, you should keep the set in a foreign language is case you need to look at the photos.

Clark "Needing Bill to edit my emails" Propst


Re: Centralia Car Shops

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "kjstrenski" <kjstrenski@...> wrote:

Dennis and Group:

I have this issue.

What I want is more Soo caboose kits.

I have four from their 1st run, but missed out on getting any from the 2nd.

John
WF TX
Silly me. When you said, "did that un-named manufacturer have any
plans for the Soo caboose?" I thought you were looking for drawings, not future production.

Dennis


Re: NYC freight car lettering

Bruce Smith
 

The guy who made the masters for these cars told me that the
version of this car available at Naperville is good only for
the Gothic lettering as these cars were rebuilt starting in
1955. The earlier rebuilds of these cars that would have had
the Roman lettering have not been released yet
Kit 93.1 says "Panel Rf, Roman Decals". Are you saying that this is a
bogus model? It appears to match the photos for the Roman lettered car
in the PDS. Note that it is a rect panel roof, not diagonal so it
appears to model cars rebuilt prior to WWII.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Santa Fe AB brake info

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Thanks again, Steve. - Andy


Re: NYC freight car lettering

tmolsen@...
 

Bill,

Your post regarding the NYC Raised Side Boxcar kits that Martin brought out recently at Naperville stated:

The guy who made the masters for these cars told me that the
version of this car available at Naperville is good only for
the Gothic lettering as these cars were rebuilt starting in
1955. The earlier rebuilds of these cars that would have had
the Roman lettering have not been released yet
If this is so, how does this square with what the information Martin shows on the product sheet regarding the rebuilding dates, or does this only apply to the diagonal panel roof cars? Martin has confined the kits to the numbering series 194000-195498 series only. Has he mixed up the series between the Michigan Central period and that of the NYC period? If not, then what would the difference be between the kits put forth and that of the "unreleased earlier rebuilds"?

The January 1952 ORER (effective date 10-51) gives a description of the the 194000-195498 series that appears to match the descriptions in the product sheets with the exception of the type of doors and roof.

Regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: NYC Gothic Lettering

tmolsen@...
 

List,

I asked Terry Link the question regarding the inception date of the Gothic Lettering style on NYC freight equipment as it pertained to reporting marks and dimensional data. He was kind enough to send me the following information:

"The date on the drawing for the Gothic NYC reporting marks is May 17, 1955 and then another one dated October 11, 1955. I would probably have to go through and read all the drawings notes to see if they pinpoint things better.

As noted on my web site - drawing dates don't always match the date they went into use. I've seen cases of cars being painted - and the official drawing not being created for a month or two later. There was also some rolling stock lettered in the Gothic style prior to this date - the Pacemaker boxcars and bay window cabooses were both using the the Gothic style when they entered service and of course - it's possible for a shop to have used the stencil for one of these on a regular car. For whatever reason - the Gothic style herald diagram wasn't revised until August - but then I guess they had hundreds if not thousands of drawings to redo - obviously they could not be done overnight.

I'm going to say late May/June 1955 would probably be when the Gothic style started to be applied across the roster instead of the Roman style."

This answered my question in regard to what style was in use in my late 1953 time frame so that I can now make an informed decision as to what Sunshine kit I need to buy. I hope that Terry's information will be of use to all of you who are in the same time period as I am. Also, many thanks to Richard Hendrickson, Tim O'Connor and Tony Thompson who also responded to my questions regarding the NYC Gothic lettering style.

Best regards,
Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Bieber 1947 ....

Allen Rueter
 

The page is in the photo section under an album called Logs and wheel reports etc

Allen Rueter


Bieber 1947 q4 p5a

Allen Rueter
 

Pending the list sherif's approval, I've uploaded a photo
of page 05 of Bieber 1947 q4 inter change.

Here's my take 005
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Milw
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PFE
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Rdg
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RG (almost looks like RY)
Erie

105's
PFE
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Gn
Ri
Ri
NW
NP
DRG
CP
NWX
UP
SP
Ri
Gatx
Urtx
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Gn
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Sou

205's
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UP
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Mil
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305's
Gn
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FGE
Pa
UP
SP
NYC
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cnw
FGE
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UP
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Mil
CIL

405's
FGE
SPS
SP
Gtw
LN
Art
CP
SP
Erie
SCCX
CIM
PFE
CGW
SP
BRE
FGE
Erie
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Pa
SP
WP
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Brex
TNO
SP

505's
SP
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Gn
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ART
DRG
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Allen Rueter


Re: Wright Trak SAL gondola kit

seaboard_1966
 

Guys

Once again there is a problem with a WrightTRAK product. It appears that a few, perhaps as few as 3 or 4, were sold that were not complete. This apparently happened at Trainfest. If you purchased a gon and it did not have a floor please let us know. It would explain the couple we have laying around.

Also, with regard to the instructions. They were literally done at the very last second and include NO photos. Huge mistake. I have redone them and they now include photos of the cars in SAL and NS paint with several lettering variations included. If you have not gotten those please email me at dblake7@columbus.rr.com and I will get them right out to you. Several of you already have them waiting in your in box as I sent them when I saw the emails about the poor instructions.

Denis Blake
WrightTRAK Railroad Models.

----- Original Message -----
From: <jfbrewer@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wright Trak SAL gondola kit




Clark,



I purchased this kit, as well as their NS low side gondola kit at Naperville; my kits appear to contain all the parts, even those that you are missing. However, both contain the same sheet of basic instructions and no prototype information or finished model photographs. I am still waiting on the decals for the NS kit as I understand Wright Trak was waiting to have then printed pending approval of their art work. These kits aren't listed on their web site so there is no help available there. I'm hoping once Wright Trak catches up wiith business after Naperville and Trainfest, the necessary information will be made available to us.



I made a cursory search on-line for photos of the prototypes, but couldn't find anything..



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD


----- Original Message -----
From: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@netconx.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:39:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Wright Trak SAL gondola kit






I'm about finished with a Wright Trak SAL gondola kit I bought from them at Trainfest. (Hope their models sold well)

If memory serves me correctly the kit contained the body, Tichy brake sprue, weight (which was too long), trucks, and a piece of brass wire, decals, plus two sheets of instructions.

The instructions included one typed page and one page with four photocopied photos of the constructed model. The instructions mentioned an inside floor and etched parts sprue, which were not in my kit. The builder didn't recommend using the etched parts anyway?

I was able to dig up the styrene for the floor, grab irons, sill steps, cut levers, and a brake platform.

Construction time was what you'd expect from a one piece bodied gon. Drilling holes for the grabs and steps and adding the Tichy brake parts.

One item missing from the kit that makes it impossible to finish is a good photo of a completed model or prototype. I had no idea what color to paint it or where to place the decals! I was able to obtain the information from a friend.

I paid $40 for the kit.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa










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Re: Wright Trak SAL gondola kit

seaboard_1966
 

Jim

The instruction sheet was literally thrown together at the last moment. It
has been revised to include photos and the like. Here they are.

Denis Blake
WrightTRAK Railroad Model

----- Original Message -----
From: <jfbrewer@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wright Trak SAL gondola kit




Clark,



I purchased this kit, as well as their NS low side gondola kit at
Naperville; my kits appear to contain all the parts, even those that you are
missing. However, both contain the same sheet of basic instructions and no
prototype information or finished model photographs. I am still waiting on
the decals for the NS kit as I understand Wright Trak was waiting to have
then printed pending approval of their art work. These kits aren't listed on
their web site so there is no help available there. I'm hoping once Wright
Trak catches up wiith business after Naperville and Trainfest, the necessary
information will be made available to us.



I made a cursory search on-line for photos of the prototypes, but couldn't
find anything..



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD


----- Original Message -----
From: "Clark Propst" <cepropst@netconx.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:39:46 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Wright Trak SAL gondola kit






I'm about finished with a Wright Trak SAL gondola kit I bought from them at
Trainfest. (Hope their models sold well)

If memory serves me correctly the kit contained the body, Tichy brake sprue,
weight (which was too long), trucks, and a piece of brass wire, decals, plus
two sheets of instructions.

The instructions included one typed page and one page with four photocopied
photos of the constructed model. The instructions mentioned an inside floor
and etched parts sprue, which were not in my kit. The builder didn't
recommend using the etched parts anyway?

I was able to dig up the styrene for the floor, grab irons, sill steps, cut
levers, and a brake platform.

Construction time was what you'd expect from a one piece bodied gon.
Drilling holes for the grabs and steps and adding the Tichy brake parts.

One item missing from the kit that makes it impossible to finish is a good
photo of a completed model or prototype. I had no idea what color to paint
it or where to place the decals! I was able to obtain the information from a
friend.

I paid $40 for the kit.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa










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Plenty o' BxCrs - Thanks to everyone

John Hitzeman
 

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request
for the Red Caboose Boxcars!!

I think there are enough out there to make a fair
sized train. <G>

In fact, I think there would be enough to do the complete
prototype roster of ten Frisco Fast Freight cars with
Duryea Underframes!!

Thanks again,
John



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St. Louis, MO
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Re: Santa Fe AB brake info

Mark
 

Thank You, Steve. My brother, Bill, will appreciate this.

Sincerely, Mark Morgan

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe AB brake info
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ATSF Group" <ATSF@yahoogroups.com>, "Santa Fe List" <SANTAFE@crcvms.unl.edu>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 9:59 PM







 









I have posted two files from John Moore on the Santa Fe Historical and Modeling Society website.



1. Freight Cars not used in Interchange Remaining to be Equipped with "AB" Brakes as of 12-1-52. http://atsfrr. net/Reviews/ HO/Freight/ IMRCaboose/ NonInterchgFrtRe main52.pdf



2. Interchange Freight Cars Remaining to be Equipped with "AB" Brakes as of 12-1-52. http://atsfrr. net/Reviews/ HO/Freight/ IMRCaboose/ InterchgFrtRemai n52.pdf



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Re: Intermountain bulkhead cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob, have any further description for the B&O storage cabinet? I can't
quite tell from the photos -- did the cabinet have doors when it was new?

You might want to look at those photos again... a couple of modern cars
in there. :-)

Thanks
Tim O'Connor

My understanding the information for the bulkhead version was supplied
by Jim Mischke and is correct for the B&O and close for some other
railroads. The is a storage cabinet to keep loading devices on the
A-end of the B&O bulkheads, but InterMountain choose to omit it to make
the bulkhead more generic.

There are several photos of the B&O cars on the Elwood site showing the
bulkheads.

* FB 9304
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo-f9304goc.jpg> - 03/78 - {Gary Overfield Collection}
* FB 9428
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9428akg.jpg> - Newark NJ 07/05/82 - {Karl Geffchen Photo} - Napporano
* FB 9432
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9432akg.jpg> - Newark NJ 08/07/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo} - B end
* FB 9432
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9432bkg.jpg> - Newark NJ 08/07/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9432
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9432ckg.jpg> - Newark NJ 08/07/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9439
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9439akg.jpg> - Newark NJ 01/02/83 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9440
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9440akg.jpg> - Newark NJ 07/05/82 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9606
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo9606akg.jpg> - Jersey City NJ 03/01/81 - {Karl Geffchen Photo}
* FB 9719
<http://gelwood.railfan.net/bo/bo-f9719goa.jpg> - 03/77 - {Gary Overfield Collection}

Regards,
Bob Witt


Re: Type X tank car question

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Nov 24, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Frank Valoczy wrote:

Could anyone suggest where I might find good (as in, good for making a
model with) drawings of the Type X underframe?
Frank, there is a good drawing of the 6K gal. Type X underframe in
the 1906 Car Builders" Dictionary. If you don't have, or have access
to, a copy, I can scan it for you.


Richard Hendrickson
Actually, I uploaded this drawing when we were discussing the Blackstone Models NG cars a couple weeks ago. Try Here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/UTL%20Tankcar%20Drawings/

Dennis


Atlas HO Hart Ballast Cars

deniskahl <denis.kahl@...>
 

I have obtained some undec Atlas HO Hart Ballast cars.

I would like to paint these to match some other cars lettered for the Union Pacific.

Does anyone know a brand and paint colour that might match? Note that Scalecoat is unobtainable here in Australia.

Cheers
Denis


Re: Pennsy box car # PRR81945

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks, you've got me looking at X41's for the first time... and I
see they have very interesting roofs! And now I see Sunshine has a
kit for each of these cars. Cool!

Tim O'Connor

The end door is the difference between and X41 (no end door) and an X41a (end door). As you stated the X41b were single door whereas the X41 and X41a were double door. The X41c was another double door car without end doors. The only difference I can find between the X41 and the X41c is the class of trucks. The X41 rode on 2DF26 A-3 ride control trucks while the X41c had 2DF26a A-3 ride control trucks. As with other PRR classes the manufacturer may have been different thus the subclass difference.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 24, 2009 9:19 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pennsy box car # PRR81945


Scott

PRR 81945 in 1950 is a 50 foot double door X41a box car - no mention
of any end door. The X41a/X41b series were postwar cars. Many of the
X41b's were equipped for LCL and painted in the Merchandise Service
paint scheme. (They were single 7 foot door cars.)

Tim O'Connor


At 11/24/2009 07:42 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Could someone tell me about PRR 81945 a box car with a dreadnaught end door. It
is in a photograph that appears to be in the late 1940's or 50's. I am looking
for what era this car would have been in service and what class of cars they
were in. Were they build for a specific type of service?


Re: Swift Reefers

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Charles, Sunshine resin kits are the only accurate HO Swift meat reefers for the period you mentioned.

For the time period: Red Caboose makes an accurate plastic model of a Mather meat reefer. Atlas has a nice plastic model based
upon a Cudahy car from 1925. To move further from accuracy, the MDC 36' old time reefer or the Varney (LifeLike) 37' wood reefer
can be kitbashed into generic wood meat reefers.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Pennsy box car # PRR81945

SUVCWORR@...
 

Tim:

The end door is the difference between and X41 (no end door) and an X41a (end door). As you stated the X41b were single door whereas the X41 and X41a were double door. The X41c was another double door car without end doors. The only difference I can find between the X41 and the X41c is the class of trucks. The X41 rode on 2DF26 A-3 ride control trucks while the X41c had 2DF26a A-3 ride control trucks. As with other PRR classes the manufacturer may have been different thus the subclass difference.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 24, 2009 9:19 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pennsy box car # PRR81945


Scott

PRR 81945 in 1950 is a 50 foot double door X41a box car - no mention
of any end door. The X41a/X41b series were postwar cars. Many of the
X41b's were equipped for LCL and painted in the Merchandise Service
paint scheme. (They were single 7 foot door cars.)

Tim O'Connor


At 11/24/2009 07:42 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Could someone tell me about PRR 81945 a box car with a dreadnaught end door. It
is in a photograph that appears to be in the late 1940's or 50's. I am looking
for what era this car would have been in service and what class of cars they
were in. Were they build for a specific type of service?



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