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Trucks and brake steps for Erie gondolas

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for some information regarding some Erie gondolas in the series ERIE 11000-11599, built January to May 1946. A builder's photo of ERIE 11050 can be found at:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie11050adb.jpg

A scan of an equipment diagram for these cars can be found at:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie-frt-3-4.gif

The diagram lists the trucks for ERIE 11000-11149 and ERIE 11350-11599 as Cast Steel Double Truss, AAR coil 1915 design. From the description and the photo, would Eastern Car Works 9053, 90-ton Bettendorf friction bearing, be a good match?

The diagram indicates an Apex Tri-Lock Metal Brake Step. Would this be the open-grid type as seen on boxcars, or some sort of metal plate with round holes in it?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


P&WV boxcars

Brian Carlson
 

I have a future project to create a P&WV boxcar from a Proto kit. while
researching the options I am coming up thin on P&WV decals. Ted has a set in
his kit and Champ still lists the set below. does anyone have the set and
can tell me what is included, what size herald, and does it include the
symbol of service slogan?

PITTSBURGH & WEST VIRGINIA Road Name Set, White, roadname & numbers, plus
herald, set will letter 2 models. Order HN-81 for HO Scale

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: NYC freight car lettering

Bill Darnaby
 

Sorry...he did not and I doubt that he ever would. After years of doing masters for Martin he has given up trying to predict product releases.

Bill Darnaby



From: <tmolsen@...>

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: NYC freight car lettering

Bill,

Did your source give any idea when the earlier version of this car would be available? I would assume that he is doing them for Martin???

Best regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


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Hey Yuze Gize It is that time.

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize,

In keeping with Tradition... This is the formal announcement for the 2010
Cocoa Beach Hands on Presentation, AKA Shake N Take (thank you to our own
Mont Switzer)

This years event is extremely limited so if you don't have any intent of
building the kit and just want the handout and you MUST BE THERE then let me
know, I will keep a separate list for those folks. If you WILL BE THERE
FOR SURE and want the kit let me know as we'll take reservations for the
first 20 folks, the balance will be first come first serve at the door. As
usual there is no cost to the registered attendee.

With very special thank you to Richard Hendrickson we will be presenting a
41' IL DT&I/GM&O gondola conversion. The kit is made possible by a
donation from Athearn Trains. It will consist of resin ends and Tahoe Model Works
TMW-207 AAR Self-Aligning Spring Plankless Double Truss Trucks.

This year will be a bit different than in the past, as the kits will not
come in the form of a knock-down kit as there were none available and the
kits will have to be striped by the modeler. Unfortunately I wasn't able to
secure the kits prior to the change at Athearn. Nonetheless, with this minor
shortfall we decide it was still a very worthy prototype for most modelers
as the life span actually exceeds the scope of this list even though the
cars were built in 1941. The only real impact is one extra page to my
handout on how I propose you strip the car safely and on extra slide in the Power
Point.

As resourceful as you/we are as modeler(s) if this should cause second
thoughts please, please don't take a kit that another might finish.

BUILD THEM AND THEY SHALL COME... 3^)

Greg Martin


GM&O color recommendation

jerryglow2
 

I'm building last year's Naperville gift which is for a GM&O boxcar built in 1940 or 1942 (two number series possible). What's a good color recommendation for GM&O for this era into the '50s? I'd prefer a Modelflex color as it's the most available but any you use.

Jerry Glow


Re: P&WV boxcars

Charles Hladik
 

Brian,
Just checked _www.alphabetroute.com_ (http://www.alphabetroute.com)
and there is no answer under the P&WV section.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 11/28/2009 4:16:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
prrk41361@... writes:




I have a future project to create a P&WV boxcar from a Proto kit. while
researching the options I am coming up thin on P&WV decals. Ted has a set
in
his kit and Champ still lists the set below. does anyone have the set and
can tell me what is included, what size herald, and does it include the
symbol of service slogan?

PITTSBURGH & WEST VIRGINIA Road Name Set, White, roadname & numbers, plus
herald, set will letter 2 models. Order HN-81 for HO Scale

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: NYC freight car lettering

tmolsen@...
 

Bill,

Did your source give any idea when the earlier version of this car would be available? I would assume that he is doing them for Martin???

Best regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: NYC freight car lettering

Bill Darnaby
 

First, I am not an NYC expert and do not play one at prototype meets. I only know what I was
told by the guy who made the masters. During research for the project they could not find any photos of cars with Youngstown doors with Roman lettering and, therefore, the safe conclusion he reached is that the door replacement occured during the 1955 rebuilding by which time Gothic was standard. He was standing behind me as I purchased my kit at Naperville and advised me that the Gothic lettering was the only safe bet.

Sunshine went to the usual NYC sources for reference and found that the rebuilding data and lot numbers was even more convoluted and inconclusive than typical. If anyone has a photo of a Youngstown door car and Roman lettering please stand up and give us the car number and reweigh date.

FWIW, work is being done on masters for the increased height rebuilds with the original roofs and panel doors which will be certainly correct for Roman lettering.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: <tmolsen@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: NYC freight car lettering


Bill,

Your post regarding the NYC Raised Side Boxcar kits that Martin brought
out recently at Naperville stated:

The guy who made the masters for these cars told me that the
version of this car available at Naperville is good only for
the Gothic lettering as these cars were rebuilt starting in
1955. The earlier rebuilds of these cars that would have had
the Roman lettering have not been released yet
If this is so, how does this square with what the information Martin shows
on the product sheet regarding the rebuilding dates, or does this only
apply to the diagonal panel roof cars? Martin has confined the kits to
the numbering series 194000-195498 series only. Has he mixed up the
series between the Michigan Central period and that of the NYC period? If
not, then what would the difference be between the kits put forth and that
of the "unreleased earlier rebuilds"?

The January 1952 ORER (effective date 10-51) gives a description of the
the 194000-195498 series that appears to match the descriptions in the
product sheets with the exception of the type of doors and roof.

Regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


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car owners thru bieber 1947 4th quarter ending 06

Allen Rueter
 

GN 40
PFE 22
DRGW 21
SP 17
WP 15
ATSF 14
UP 13
PRR 11
FGE NYC 10
NP 8
MILW 6
ART BO PM SHPX 5
CNW SFRD SOU 4
AOX CBQ CN CRIP MP UCR UTL 3
GTW GWEX IC LA LUX MDT NKP NSTL SOO WAB 2

Strays:
ACL BM BRE CO CGW CMO DLW ERIE FOB GARX LN MSTL
NOD NW NWX NX SAL SLSF TNO TP URT USIX WFE WM

Allen Rueter


New file uploaded to STMFC

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Just Three Days Until "Scotty Mason Live"

Scott <smason2@...>
 

Hi folks,

On Monday, November 30th at 8:00 p.m.est, We'll broadcast the pilot episode of "Scotty Mason Live".

The pilot episode is free, and I'd like all of you to tune in. To watch, just go to my website: scottymason.com, click on the link, and follow the instructions. The show will also be available to download for a fee, and purchase for a fee on DVD after Monday night.

Remember, this will be a live broadcast, and anything can happen! Tune in!

Scott


Re: Western Maryland gondola question

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Larry Kline wrote:
The WM diagram ca. 1962 says:
Car series 52001-52186 Bettendorf
Car series 52187-52362 Andrews
I believe that the ever thrifty WM used trucks and brake components from retired wood gondolas in the 50001-50499 series when these cars were built by Bethlehem Steel in 1945.
This sounds right. By 1945, Bettendorf was out of the truck business.

Tony, I'm curious what you are using to model this series of 48 ft 6 in IL steel gons.
I don't know that I'm going to try. I was misled by the info on Ted Culotta's web site, that these were straight-side-sill cars. I had some thoughts of a kitbash and adding a Duryea representation, but I may go with one of the earlier WM classes instead--though they were 52' 6" IL.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Western Maryland gondola question

Larry Kline
 

The WM diagram ca. 1962 says:
Car series 52001-52186 Bettendorf
Car series 52187-52362 Andrews
I posted a photo of 52176 in the files section which shows a cast steel truck with a spring plank and a snubber. Its awaiting moderator approval.

I believe that the ever thrifty WM used trucks and brake components from retired wood gondolas in the 50001-50499 series when these cars were built by Bethlehem Steel in 1945. There were 372 gondolas remaining in this series in the 1-1945 ORER. The wood gons are gone, and the 52001-52362 series is listed, in the 7-1945 ORER.

Tony, I'm curious what you are using to model this series of 48 ft 6 in IL steel gons.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Tony Thompson asked:
Does anyone know what trucks were applied to WM gondolas in the
52001-52362 number series?


Re: New ART Steel Reefer Run Is In

asychis@...
 

Therefore, this example shows that the MPHS/ARM model having the 1950s
scheme could also conceivably have its original 24000-24449 car number,
particularly cars repainted between 1951 and 1954.

Just to add some additional information, in Green's Refrigerator Car Color
Guide, page 15, there is a photo of ART 24582 in this scheme shown on the
PRR in 1954.

Jerry Michels


Re: New ART Steel Reefer Run Is In

asychis@...
 

So just POSSIBLY it might be that the photo of ART 33320 was a
poor choice for prototype illustration? <g>

Yes, Tony, I guess so. I will try to get a corrected photo posted to the
website, or explain the difference.

Jerry Michels


Re: New ART Steel Reefer Run Is In

asychis@...
 

I note that the reweigh date yr is 1955. Since I hate to model in the
future, when might this paint scheme have been implemented? IOW, could an
earlier reweigh date be correct for this paint scheme...like in the range
1951-54?

Mike,

Yes, very much so. The scheme came into existence around 1950.

Jerry Michels


Re: New ART Steel Reefer Run Is In

asychis@...
 

Why is the order of the two heralds reversed on the model from the
prototype photo just above it?
Was the other side of the prototype similarly reversed?

Typically the MP herald was toward the B end of the car, but as you can see
from the prototype photo, this wasn't always the case. I do not have a
photo of the other side of the prototype, but if the paint shop followed
directions, it should be reversed from this side.

Is the Rock Island boxcar an assembled model or a kit? It's not clear in
the write-up.

Assembled

Jerry Michels


R-40-2 Re: MTH PFE Reefers

jerryglow2
 

Actually if you look at the bottom of p22 of their catalog, you'll see they offer 3 different 6 packs but I don't see individual cars offered in PFE. A shame as Bruce Smith pointed out, it's not one even hard core PFE modelers need in great numbers.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "pwkrueger" <kruegerp@...> wrote:

Thanks Tony and Bruce.

FWIW, I took a look at their catalog and it appears they aren't even selling it painted for PFE.

Paul


Re: YesterYear Models

Mark
 

I dealt with them about a year ago and no problem. Courteous and quick shipping to Ohio.

Mark Morgan

--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Subject: [STMFC] YesterYear Models
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 2:46 PM







 









Has anyone on the list had contact with these people, whose

mailing address is Erie, Colorado? They sent me an internet order

which was erroneous and they neither answer e-mails nor respond via

their 800 number. I have also sent a snail mail letter and have had no

reply.



Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com

Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Prototype Rails 2010: Shake/Take alert.

jerryglow2
 

Since it is a hands on clinic you must be where the hands are: Cocoa Beach in January. Actually the Yahoo Group Denny mentioned can take you thru the current and some past projects.

I believe decals for the first project car (KCS USRA rebuild) are available so it wouldn't take much to duplicate that effert. In fact many of us went a step further and used a Branchline kit instead of the Accurail which created all sorts of other problems but yielded a nicer car with separate grabs and ladders. The Kahn's car is available from 5th Ave Shops and the parts to do the PRR car can be obtained to do that one. As I mentioned, the custom resin end for the UP stockcar may appear from a commercial supplier.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Dennis Williams writes:

"This sounds like something I would like to try. Can I get some details??
Thank you. Dennis"

Easy as....well...letting Greg Martin know TGREGMRTN@... that you
wish to be one of the participants in the Shake/Take clinic and then get
down to Cocoa Beach, FL Jan 7-9. We don't care HOW you get here...airplane,
train [ preferred method ], car, thumb, walk, Missouri mule...

BTW, for those REALLY curious about the car...I have the raw material in
boxes out in the train room. So...for...lets call it...well...a bribe, I
might be able to disclose certain aspects. BTW, hint...I could use another
Athearn Big Boy.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Bigshot

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