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Re: Resin Review

LAURANCE ROBERT KING <ab8180@...>
 

What is Kaslo's address?

LR King


Re: Georgia 29000-29049

Paul Lyons
 

Ted-I would like to buy a couple of the extra door castings if you make them.
I have no real desire to do that "kitbash" again. Any input on my questions
about the width of the end ladders, brake stand support location points, and
end tack board locations?
Paul Lyons
Oceanside, CA


Re: Resin Review

Gary Roe
 

Bill Darnaby wrote:

If this review is of interest to the list I can provide more as I am in the
middle of plowing through a large backlog of resin kits.




Bill,

This type of information is extremely helpful to someone like me who has yet
to construct his first resin kit (even tho I have quite a few).

gary roe


Re: Intermountain down the tubes?

thompson@...
 

Oh GREAT another convention car I'll never see... Those Espee
USRA gondolas disappeared like hotcakes at a church breakfast.
If this is true I'm gonna have to snag me a "convention buddy"
who will grab a bunch for me before they're gone too...
Maybe there's a message being sent out into the ether by the convention
organizers, Tim...

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Re: Intermountain down the tubes?

thompson@...
 

Tim sez:
Or how
about some nice gondolas -- 48' foot NKP cars, 52' PRR G31D, 65 foot
welded cars of the late 50's...
No, no, TIm, it's a PRR G35 we want, cuz we can use it for SP too.

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Re: Rock Island Fowler Cars

Gene Deimling <endeimling@...>
 

That is a good question. I have to look through some of Blalock's old stuff
and see if did Rock.
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Morrill [mailto:badlands@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 4:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Rock Island Fowler Cars


Jace and Gene,
I also have one of the San Juan Fowler cars tucked away in the storage to
use to make a C&NW car. Now I'm going to order another kit to make a RI
version. What lettering is available in O?

I'm concentrating on building composite construction cars now while the
layout is in freeze mode (San Juan WP, Chooch NP, etc). Got too many '37
AAR and later cars in proportion for my 1950 time period.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "JGG KahnSr" <jacekahn@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:44 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Rock Island Fowler Cars



Dear Ted
I second Charlie's motion; this month's offering is just full of great
modelling ideas! And if Charlie's mind and mine are moving along the same
track, we are thinking that the San Juan Fowler in 0 scale would look very
good in Rock Island lettering. My first SJ Fowler will use the MicroScale
Omaha set I bought for it, but I had been wondering what to do with the
other one I picked up this spring, and I have too few RI cars.
Jace Kahn

Another great photo!
If I'm looking at the correct car, the one in the yard has wood ends like
the D&RGW version of the Fowler boxcar.
Charlie
It's in the "middle" of the picture, at the end of a
string of cars. There are quite a few photos floating
around of these cars with the steel ends, as
referenced in the earlier posts.
Ted

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Models, Selling Models, etc.

golden1014
 

Brothers,

I think we may be overlooking the basics: 1) If you
produce an obscure car in an obscure scale, you won't
sell many. Period. 2) If you produce an excellent
model of a popular car--especially one that doesn't
already exist (a few SP prototypes were brought up
already)--you'll sell more than you can make if you
market properly. Don't lose track of that when
comparing scales, past experiences, etc.

Also, my .02 cents about operating HO doors. The
operating doors on Intermountain 1937 box cars and
Kadee cars are excellent, and lend a nice dynamic to
the model. Frankly, I wish all my box cars had
operating doors of such quality. There's no giant
claws like on the Athearn cars, so assuming that
operating doors = bad model is unrealistic these days.

See you all in Oakland!
John Golden

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Re: Rock Island Fowler Cars

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Does anyone know how how Rio Grande and Rock Island happened to get
identical (or nearly so) cars ?

jack Mullen
Weren't they both Jay Gould roads at one time?


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Admin Comment

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Guys, how about doing everyone a favor and make better use of the subject
when sending a message? It takes time to read these messages. "Intermountain
down the tubes?" has little to do with SP F-70-7 flat cars.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Rock Island Fowler Cars

moonmuln <mullen.lahr@...>
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "JGG KahnSr" <jacekahn@h...> wrote:
... we are thinking that the San Juan Fowler in 0 scale would
look very good in Rock Island lettering...

Yes, the Rock Island cars with wood ends appear to match the D&RGW
cars in all the features I can distinguish in fuzzy photos. The steel
end cars seem to be the same, except for the end. In fact, I have an
extra San Juan kit squirrelled away with the intent of doing that
kitbash someday. It will be quite a while before I crank up the
ambition to scratchbuild the ends - maybe in the meantime a suitable
part will appear!

M&StL had similar cars (copies of the RI cars ?), so there's one more
prototype.

Does anyone know how how Rio Grande and Rock Island happened to get
identical (or nearly so) cars ?

jack Mullen


Re: Resin Review

Ian Cranstone
 

From: "Bill Darnaby" <WDarnaby@...>
I have recently finished assembling two different kits of the CNR 1924-29
40' single sheathed boxcar with dreadnought ends. One kit was by F&C (kit
6671) and one was by Kaslo Shops (kit HK-10).
I'm not sure where the dates cited came from, but the models in question are
of the 1929 CN standard boxcar, built from 1929-31 by the three major
Canadian carbuilders as CN 503500-513152 (more details on series breakdowns
can be found at my website at: freightcars.nakina.net). The earlier CN 1923
standard boxcar, built from 1923-27 were probably the wood end cars that you
saw in the F&C instruction sheet. These cars were the prototype for the
Accurail 40' single-sheathed boxcar in plastic a few years back (and as a CN
modeller I have a few stashed on my unbuilt kit shelf).

I believe the F&C version is the former Steam Shack kit, whereas the Kaslo
kit is relatively new. There is also a one-piece resin version offered by
Sylvan. I have yet to build my Kaslo kit, but I have always been impressed
with the quality of Kaslo's castings, which seem very crisply detailed.

Stafford Swain had an article on these cars (and the Steam Shack kit) in the
June 1994 RMJ.

--
Ian Cranstone
Kanata, Ontario, Canada
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Re: Intermountain down the tubes?

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Complete agreement on the need for these, Guy. But Don wouldn't be wise
to do them. As I understand it, Red Caboose has dies already for these (Jim
Booth did the die work), and they are expected to be the convention car for
the SP Society meet in Austin.
Oh GREAT another convention car I'll never see... Those Espee
USRA gondolas disappeared like hotcakes at a church breakfast.
If this is true I'm gonna have to snag me a "convention buddy"
who will grab a bunch for me before they're gone too...


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Intermountain down the tubes?

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Schuyler wrote

Don, I think the number 500 is amazingly low. And I think that there are
cars that, if done correctly, would sell about that many on this list. Some
of the suggestions here have been good ones, and you have the right guys
here to "vet" your work. I think I go with the "pick one and get on with
it" notion.
It depends what he picks. And also, he is not a "mainstream" vendor
and so there are marketing and distribution issues.

Don, if you're serious about 500 kits (in plastic? Is that economical?)
I like Guy's suggestion of the SP F-50-7, or even an SP steel cupola
caboose like the C-40-1 or C-40-3. Those are needed by every modeler
of the SP from 1940 to 1980 and are only available in brass. Or how
about some nice gondolas -- 48' foot NKP cars, 52' PRR G31D, 65 foot
welded cars of the late 50's. Since resin cars usually sell hundreds
of kits, I find it hard to believe that one could not sell 500 plastic
kits of desirable prototypes.

However, I am skeptical that anyone can economically produce 500 plastic
kits. Even if you do your own tooling, it's got to be pretty expensive!

I tend to agree that freight car kits are fading fast. Some dealers
won't stock them anymore.


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Structures?

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Don Winter writes:

But let's suppose I do a steam era structure, complete with errors that
kinda resembles something. Some of those mega kits go for big bucks and
are
less costly to develop.
Without doubt, the one I would do would be the passenger station at Laramie,
WY. If you must have errors built in, please put them on the back half since
I only have room for the front half <g>. Now, having said all that,
structures are not within scope of the group so it's time to get back to frt
cars.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Rock Island Fowler Cars

Schuyler G Larrabee <SGL2@...>
 

Wotta photo!

SGL

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Culotta" <ted_culotta@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Rock Island Fowler Cars


While I have not inserted links into the photo yet,
there is one of the older ones pictured in the new
yard shot that can be accessed from:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of%20mo/shotofmonthmain.html


It's in the "middle" of the picture, at the end of a
string of cars. There are quite a few photos floating
around of these cars with the steel ends, as
referenced in the earlier posts.

Regards,
Ted

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C&NW box car color match?

C J Wyatt
 

Does anyone have a Modelflex mix (or a good mix with other brands) for C&NW steam era, wood box car paint?

I probably shouldn't even ask that question after looking at the cover of MM for May 1992 (WWII era color shot of Proviso Yard). Looks like most of the C&NW Fowler cars have faded to brown. There is a recently painted CMO Fowler box, which raises the question of whether CMO and C&NW used the same color paint?

Thanks for any help.

Jack Wyatt


Re: Intermountain down the tubes?

thompson@...
 

Guy Wilber writes:
And then there are the F-70-7 flats from Southern Pacific that every modeler,
regardless of his favorite road, should have (at least) one of -- loaded with
lumber from the West, returning with tractors, pipe or any other open top
load suitable for flats.
A run of 500 would be perfect...this list alone might suck 'em up all up.
Complete agreement on the need for these, Guy. But Don wouldn't be wise
to do them. As I understand it, Red Caboose has dies already for these (Jim
Booth did the die work), and they are expected to be the convention car for
the SP Society meet in Austin.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: Intermountain down the tubes?

Schuyler G Larrabee <SGL2@...>
 

Don, I think the number 500 is amazingly low. And I think that there are
cars that, if done correctly, would sell about that many on this list. Some
of the suggestions here have been good ones, and you have the right guys
here to "vet" your work. I think I go with the "pick one and get on with
it" notion.

SGL

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Winter" <guaruba@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Intermountain down the tubes?


Most of the plastic guys use big expensive machines and molds. My stuff
is
small and I make my own molds. So I don't need huge volumes. But I wuold
hope to sell maybe 500 cars? Don



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Re: 40' Fowler Cars

Andy Carlson
 

On Tuesday, June 11, 2002, at 06:07 PM, Earl Tuson wrote:

FWIW, Pacific Rail Shops has announced that they plan on
producing an S scale version of the D&RGW 40' Fowler
boxcar. I suspect, however, that their new AAR 70 ton
hopper will arrive on shelves first.
And for those hundreds of TT scalers out there, A TT 40' Fowler Patent flat injection molded plastic kit is already done, just awaiting painting and lettering. The quality and accuracy will make HO'ers envious, and this car is soon to be joined by a '37 AAR 40' boxcar, which has exquisite tooling done by a lessor known modeler. Both have trucks which are a credit to the hobby, and I bet these cars will sell in the dozens!
Andy Carlson


Re: Resin Review

Ted Culotta <ted_culotta@...>
 

Bill:

With your permission, I'd love to post this on the
Steam Era Freight Cars web site. If you have photos
of the finished models, that would be even better.
I'd love to add more than this one too, so if you're
interested, please keep them coming.

The site is at www.steamfreightcars.com.

Regards,
Ted

--- Bill Darnaby <WDarnaby@...> wrote:
I have recently finished assembling two different
kits of the CNR 1924-29
40' single sheathed boxcar with dreadnought ends.
One kit was by F&C (kit
6671) and one was by Kaslo Shops (kit HK-10).
Both kits built up into nice looking cars but the
amount of effort required
in each was a bit different. The F&C kit contained
more complete
instructions and a modest amount of prototype
history and information plus
scale drawings. However, the photos included did
not match the car in the
kit as the photos were of a car with wood ends. The
kit also contained all
of the parts
necessary to complete the job.

The Kaslo kit had very minimal instructions
with the only drawing being of the brake equipment
locations. The only
photo of the car is the one on top of the box but it
isn't sharp enough for
good reference. In fact, in
my opinion, the Kaslo kit did not contain sufficient
information to build
the car. I had to rely on the F&C information for
that. On the other hand,
the Kaslo kit had superior castings, particularly of
the underframe. The
carbody side channels were nicely undercut, although
I had to repair a very
small broken out section of one, instead of the
usual square sections and
the underframe had fine detail. The
resin material was gray. A nice touch was that the
Kaslo kit provided 3
types of doors and the door opening in the side
contained a grain door cast
in place should the modeler want to have the door
open. The side corner
braces were nice separate castings

The F&C kit had
their usual white resin materail. Detail was not
quite as sharp as Kaslo
but still very good and the side bracing is also
undercut, more accurately
replicating the prototype angles. My kit had a
Youngstown door cast in
place. The
underframe casting is one piece and a bit clunky,
particularly compared to
Kaslo, as the flanged crossbearers and centersill
had solid cast sections.
However, the underframe did have locators cast in
place for the cylinder,
reservoir and
valve. The side corner ribs or braces were cast in
place and the modeler
has to line them up with their extensions on the
corners of the ends when
the ends. On the other
hand, Kaslo provides separate castings for these
braces although I had to
refer to the F&C instructions to properly locate
them.

The F&C kit included injection molded styrene
ladders of the
Canadian version with the end step at the bottom of
the end ladders. The
Kaslo kit included etched metal ladders of the same
style. Both kits
provided Tichy brake sprues, plastic sill steps and
wire grabs. The Kaslo
kit does not provide any wire or formed eyelts. F&C
provided the usual
green wire which I discard anyway and replace with
.010 and .015 brass wire.

Both kits are flat kits with one piece cast roofs
and assemble in
the usual manner. One difference is that the Kaslo
roof overlaps the ends
and the F&C ends overlap the roof. F&C provides
decals and lettering
information. The
decals are not as crisp and sharp as they could be
and are remenisent of the
old Walthers
decals. Kaslo provides no decals or lettering
information and the modeler
is refered to a CDS dry transfer set. I am not in a
position to comment on
the accuracy of the cars as I lack the prototype
knowledge.

If this review is of interest to the list I can
provide more as I am in the
middle of plowing through a large backlog of resin
kits.

Regards,
Bill






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