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Re: [MFCL] Southern Railway 50 ft. all-steel box car book is available

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Frank Greene wrote:
For those who have last minute Christmas shopping still to do, "Southern Railway Equipment Drawings and Photographs, Volume II, Book 1, 50 ft. All-Steel Box Cars, 1938 - 1963" is now available from the Southern
Railway Historical Association . . .
If it's as good as Volume 1, on 40-foot cars, it's a masterpiece. Will copies of Volume II be available or sale at Cocoa Beach, perchance? Bet you'd sell a stack of them.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Southern Railway 50 ft. all-steel box car book is available

Frank Greene
 

For those who have last minute Christmas shopping still to do, "Southern Railway Equipment Drawings and Photographs, Volume II, Book 1, 50 ft. All-Steel Box Cars, 1938 - 1963" is now available from the Southern Railway Historical Association: <http://www.srha.net/public/grab/item_detail.asp?id=332>. Book 1 covers new cars from the 10 ft. inside height, double door cars built in 1938 to the All-Door and early Super Cushion Underframe cars built in 1963.

Book 2 will cover cars built 1964 to 1982 and SRHA's goal is to publish it in mid-2010.

In addition, the 40 ft. All-Steel Box Car book, which covered all steel cars, as built, is still available: <http://www.srha.net/public/grab/item_detail.asp?id=59>.

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


Re: Spencer Kellog & Sons SKX tank cars.

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 19, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Denny Anspach wrote:

I am working on a SC&F cast resin Standard Car Co. 6 course tank car
to be lettered for the Spencer Kellogg & Sons vegetable oil refiners
in Buffalo. Can anyone tell me about this company? My relevant
ORERS, 1926, 1943, 1952, 1958 apparently do not list this company,
nor its SKX reporting marks. I thus presume that this company must
have existed during the 1930s- or .....?.

The only dates that I can read on the ultra fine decals enclosed in
the kit are a build date of 1920, and some repack/reweigh dates in the
1950s. I cannot read the dates on the tank car photo.

Does anyone know whether or not Spencer Kellogg had any other tank
cars besides #231?
Denny, the reason you can't find SKX in the ORERs is that those cars
are listed under General American, who took them over in the 1930s
and operated them for Spencer Kellogg. There were 145 SKX cars in
1945. I'll send you a hi-res scan of SKX 231, as that photo came
from my collection, and you should be able to read the dates better.
Spencer Kellogg was a linseed oil refiner in Buffalo, NY. The
founder began making linseed oil in the 19th century, the company was
incorporated in 1912, and at one time it was the world's largest
producer of linseed oil. Google it and you'll find a lot of
information. Spen Kellogg, grandson of the founder, is a model
railroader and in the past has subscribed to this list. If he's
still on the list, he can give you the whole story of the company and
the family. He was, as you can imagine, extremely pleased when Jon
Cagle introduced the model.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Spencer Kellog & Sons SKX tank cars.

LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
 

I just got the January 1943 ORER reprint from the NMRA.  The SKX cars are on page 956 -- 156 cars (updated April 1942).  The series with 231 lists 219 to 231 inclusive.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrencville, NJ




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From: Denny Anspach <danspach@macnexus.org>
To: Steam Era Freight Car List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 7:56:24 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Spencer Kellog & Sons SKX tank cars.

 
I am working on a SC&F cast resin Standard Car Co. 6 course tank car
to be lettered for the Spencer Kellogg & Sons vegetable oil refiners
in Buffalo. Can anyone tell me about this company? My relevant
ORERS, 1926, 1943, 1952, 1958 apparently do not list this company,
nor its SKX reporting marks. I thus presume that this company must
have existed during the 1930s- or .....?.

The only dates that I can read on the ultra fine decals enclosed in
the kit are a build date of 1920, and some repack/reweigh dates in the
1950s. I cannot read the dates on the tank car photo.

Does anyone know whether or not Spencer Kellogg had any other tank
cars besides #231?

Thank you

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento




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Re: Spencer Kellog & Sons SKX tank cars.

LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
 

The October 1948 ORER lists cars numbered from 5 to 364 totaling seven cars in the General American section with the SKX reporting marks.  They're listed with a 30 ton capacity.  I guess that gives us two more numbers to use.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ



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From: Denny Anspach <danspach@macnexus.org>
To: Steam Era Freight Car List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 7:56:24 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Spencer Kellog & Sons SKX tank cars.

 
I am working on a SC&F cast resin Standard Car Co. 6 course tank car
to be lettered for the Spencer Kellogg & Sons vegetable oil refiners
in Buffalo. Can anyone tell me about this company? My relevant
ORERS, 1926, 1943, 1952, 1958 apparently do not list this company,
nor its SKX reporting marks. I thus presume that this company must
have existed during the 1930s- or .....?.

The only dates that I can read on the ultra fine decals enclosed in
the kit are a build date of 1920, and some repack/reweigh dates in the
1950s. I cannot read the dates on the tank car photo.

Does anyone know whether or not Spencer Kellogg had any other tank
cars besides #231?

Thank you

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento




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Re: Railway Gazette and Railway Age

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Richard,

Richard Townsend wrote:
Here's what I suspect is a forlorn hope: is there a comprehensive
index to these publications? If not, other than by going through
each issue, how does one find anything about, say, a steam era
freight car? If there are annual indices, and they collected
somewhere?
Several folks have already replied on this topic, but I'll try to address the portion of your question that reads:

If not, other than by going through each issue, how does one find anything about, say, a steam era freight car?

If your interest if regarding some single specific freight car, then look thru the issues published during the year the car was
built. If there was anything innovative or newsworthy regarding the car's construction, there would be some article on that topic.
In any case, there is usually a summary or a two-liner regarding all freight car orders placed, and while it might not get you a pic
or elevation drawings you can at least know who the builder was and how many of the cars were ordered in that one lot.

In any case, I think you will find old issues of Railway Age and such are terrific fun to just leaf thru for the era of your
interest.

- Claus Schlund


Spencer Kellog & Sons SKX tank cars.

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

I am working on a SC&F cast resin Standard Car Co. 6 course tank car to be lettered for the Spencer Kellogg & Sons vegetable oil refiners in Buffalo. Can anyone tell me about this company? My relevant ORERS, 1926, 1943, 1952, 1958 apparently do not list this company, nor its SKX reporting marks. I thus presume that this company must have existed during the 1930s- or .....?.

The only dates that I can read on the ultra fine decals enclosed in the kit are a build date of 1920, and some repack/reweigh dates in the 1950s. I cannot read the dates on the tank car photo.

Does anyone know whether or not Spencer Kellogg had any other tank cars besides #231?

Thank you

Denny


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi,

Thanks everyone for your more than helpful responses - I would never have guessed that so much imformation would be coming my way!
Several folks sent me images off-list, thank you for those as they were very helpful.


Here is my admittedly meager comtribution to the topic...

A builders photo from the 1931 CBC (TSC #46) pg 215...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4198770352_3af882d03d_b.jpg

An set of images of the N-scale Micro-Trains gon in CB&Q paint...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2660/4198016869_ca287111ea_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2557/4198770700_ced97c70ab_b.jpg

Lastly, am image of the undecorated Micro-Trains shell...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2786/4198017167_0dca0ebd6f_b.jpg

The car looks pretty good rite out of the box, and the factory lettering appears to be correct. A few things need to be fixed.

* The car comes with a straight center sill, and the prototype has a fishbelly center sill. This needs to be corrected

* The car rides too high and needs to be lowered

* The car comes with a side-mounted brake wheel. While the photos I've received are not entirely conclusive, it appears these cars
had (I'm not sure I've for the terminology right) lever brakes, much like those on the as-delivered USRA composite gons. This will
need to be changed as well

* The car comes with dreadnaught drop ends, and they should be 5-rib inverse Murphy. Not sure how to correct this...

* The two end panels in the Micro-Trains model are slightly longer then the rest of the panels, and the prototype was just the
opposite. I'm not going to make any effort to correct this. Oh well!

Thanks again everyone, I've got some fun work to do.

- Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@hellgatemodels.com>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons


Hi,

I'm trying to gather up some info on CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons, but information and in-service images of these particular
gons are proving elusive. I'm hoping someone here can help.

The cars I'm asking about are pictured in the 1931 CBC (TSC #46) page 215, which shows a builders photo of CB&Q 195499, described
as follows: Composite Gondola Car, Solid Bottom, Drop Ends, ARA Class GM, Length Inside 48'6"; Builder, Pressed Steel Car Company.

Apparently, this car was part of the series CB&Q 195000 to 196499. For a class that had 1500 cars in it, you would think I'd be
able to turn up SOMETHING! I have the CB&Q Historical Societies Data Sheet on composite gons, but it covers only 40 foot gons and
makes no mention of the above cars.

According to Dec 1930 ORER, statistics for this car class are:

MCB class GM (gon, drop ends)
195000 to 196499
IL 48' 6"
IW 9' 3/4"
IH 3' 10"
OL 49' 9 3/4"
OW 10' 3"
Extreme Ht 7' 6 3/4"
Cap 1770 cu ft or 100000 lb
1498 cars

An image of an N scale model of this car by MicroTrains can be seen at:

http://i.ebayimg.com/05/!BP8hDBgCGk~$(KGrHgoOKj4EjlLmY+TiBJ2Qr6EpC!~~_12.JPG

(hopefully the line will not wrap!)

The MicroTrains model appears to be a excellent match structurally. But I'm curious about the paint and lettering. The builders
photo in the above 1931 CBC shows a two-color paint scheme, with all the wood parts painted white and the metal parts painted a
darker color. I assume this paint scheme was for the photo only, and not for service. Can someone on this list confirm? Also, can
anyone point me to a in-service photo of these gons? I'm interested in the as-built lettering. Lastly, anyone know if these gons
were used for any specific service, routing or customer on the CB&Q?

Thanks in advance for any info.

- Claus





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Re: Orange & Lemons Shipped West

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Stan (not signing his name) wrote:
Bananas
Don't need to be refrigerated much but can't freeze.
Nope. There were banana docks in both LA and San Francisco, and in any case N'Awlins is closer to California than the East Coast (and was America's biggest banana port).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: USRA hoppers questions

FRANK PEACOCK
 

Steve, sorry for the slight delay in responding to your question about USRA Hopper Cars. By now you probably know this, but the R&LHS has a publication (Railroad History No. 128, Spring 1973) that had a article by J. E. Lane that is the best single source of USRA freight car info that I know of, it is 29 pp and has charts, photos, etc. I think that back issues are available from the R&LHS. If you have trouble eMail me and I'll see if I can find a copy for you. USRA Spec. 1005-B is the 2-bay hop. car, by the way. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)

To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
From: shed999@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:28:53 -0800
Subject: [STMFC] USRA hoppers questions























I'm just curious to know if someone besides Westerfield makes a USRA 3-bay open hopper.



I love Westerfield kits, and I have a lot of them, but I'm just curious to know what someone does if they need 100 of these cars and doesn't have the time to make one from a Westerfield kit. It seems to me that NYC and subs plus the C&O had a lot of these cars.



Another question is whether the Accurail or Tichy has the most accurate USRA 2-bay open hopper.



My last question is if anyone has compiled a list of USRA 2-bay and 3-bay open hoppers.



- Steve H.



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Re: Orange & Lemons Shipped West

jonespwr
 

Bananas

Don't need to be refrigerated much but can't freeze.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...> wrote:

I took Harcove to be a contraction of Harsimus Cove on the PRR in/near Jersey City, NJ.  I don't know the details, but the 1953 PRR Through Freight Schedule shows (via carfloat and lighter, I believe) that it served "New York and Brooklyn piers and stations"; New York "Piers 27-28"; and several car forwarding companies including  Clipper Carloading, P&A Shippers Assn., and National Carloading -- Piers 49-50; and Terminal Freight and Springmeier -- 37th St. Yard.

I would have thought Harsimus Cove was a destination for fruit, not an origin.  Might this suggest that it was out-of-season imports from South America?

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ




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Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 3:45:40 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Orange & Lemons Shipped West

 

You don't say where Harcove is (I can't find any such place on a map)
but am I right to assume this is somewhere EAST of St Louis/Chicago/ etc?

Anywho, I strongly doubt any unspoiled citrus would be travelling west
through Enola PA to the west coast. Makes no sense at all.


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Re: Orange & Lemons Shipped West

LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
 

I took Harcove to be a contraction of Harsimus Cove on the PRR in/near Jersey City, NJ.  I don't know the details, but the 1953 PRR Through Freight Schedule shows (via carfloat and lighter, I believe) that it served "New York and Brooklyn piers and stations"; New York "Piers 27-28"; and several car forwarding companies including  Clipper Carloading, P&A Shippers Assn., and National Carloading -- Piers 49-50; and Terminal Freight and Springmeier -- 37th St. Yard.

I would have thought Harsimus Cove was a destination for fruit, not an origin.  Might this suggest that it was out-of-season imports from South America?

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ




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You don't say where Harcove is (I can't find any such place on a map)
but am I right to assume this is somewhere EAST of St Louis/Chicago/ etc?

Anywho, I strongly doubt any unspoiled citrus would be travelling west
through Enola PA to the west coast. Makes no sense at all.


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Re: Railway Gazette and Railway Age

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Rich if you did the index in Lotus123, then it is digitized. Quattro Pro can open old Lotus123 files, and then save them as Excel
or other spreadsheet formats. Do you still have the file? If so it would be easy to convert it to a format many could enjoy.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Union Pacific PS-1 box car a bit of a "celebrity"

Scott Pitzer
 

The book "Celebrity Stew" is by Leo Pearlstein, who did a lot of P.R. work for food- and cooking-related clients in the 1950s-1970s. There are photos from his work with Steve Allen, Bob Hope, Jayne Mansfield, Phyllis Diller, and many others.
And then there's U.P. box car 126410, being tugged along by a blonde in a swimsuit, who's using a roll of Alcoa aluminum foil as part of her "rope," to prove how durable the product is.
Scott Pitzer


Re: Orange & Lemons Shipped West

Tim O'Connor
 

You don't say where Harcove is (I can't find any such place on a map)
but am I right to assume this is somewhere EAST of St Louis/Chicago/etc?

Anywho, I strongly doubt any unspoiled citrus would be travelling west
through Enola PA to the west coast. Makes no sense at all.

Jerry Stewart had a funny story at Naperville about receiving a reefer
from the east that had not been fully unloaded even though it was "empty".
He re-consigned the car to the receiver who had failed to unload it, and
the receiver was billed for the now "loaded" car and had to empty the
rotten produce. He said the receiver never made that mistake again.

On the other hand, produce travelled West all the time on the SP. Every
train from Salinas towards Roseville and the Overland Route began as a
Westbound movement, since it had to move in the direction of San Francisco
before it became Eastbound (away from San Francisco).

Tim O'connor

I have some mid-1960s wheel reports from various trains. I have one wheel report of train SWC1 eastbound from "Harcove" to Enola with about 70 reefers of various fruits. Lots of PFE, SFRD, and other reefers on this train, Most of the PFE and Santa Fe cars are loaded with lemons, oranges and melons.
All of the Santa Fe cars are marked for Los Angeles, while the PFE cars are split for St Louis, Chicago, and L.A.
Dave Hopson


Re: Railway Gazette and Railway Age

leakinmywaders
 

My wife is a librarian, and if she wasn't I would probably not be aware of EBSCO (poke around at ebsco.com), a firm that offers both subscription services, searchable indexes and electronic accession of a vast field of periodicals. At least some of their indexes include Railway Age and other Simmons-Boardman pubs, though I haven't been able to confirm how far back in time those might go. EBSCO provides professional services to libraries, but some librarians grant patrons direct or supported access to the EBSCO research services they subscribe to. The specialized indexes like those that would include Railway Age (business, engineering, transportation) might only be subscribed by some academic and well-endowed reference libraries (like OSU's). And EBSCO subscriptions do get dropped when library budgets are cut, so it's harder to get to it every year.

So ask around. There's no doubt that Railway Age, like virtually all durable periodical journals, has been indexed in searchable format-- but getting to that index might take some doing. If you're really lucky you'll locate a hot reference librarian who's been around the block and is fluent in EBSCO and will do the hard work for you. Best,

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:

Richard - I did that to see CBCs at the Crerar Library in Chicago. By mistake I showed up at the distribution center where I saw troglodytes heaving priceless volumes off a truck in the most careless way, spilling books, tearing bindings, etc. Good luck.... - Al Westerfield
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Railway Gazette and Railway Age



Thanks to all who have replied so far on this matter. The only "local" library of which I am aware that carries any of these is the Oregon State University library, and they have the issues from 1918-1948 in off-site storage. You have to request them to bring them to the library. Since the library is about a two-hour drive away and you have to ask for items in storage in person the day before you want to use them I was hoping to avoid having to ask for all 31 volumes just on the hope that something relevant exists.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Dec 18, 2009 11:14 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Railway Gazette and Railway Age

Richard Townsend wrote:
> Here's what I suspect is a forlorn hope: is there a comprehensive
> index to these publications? If not, other than by going through
> each issue, how does one find anything about, say, a steam era
> freight car? If there are annual indices, and they collected
> somewhere?

I"m not aware of a comprehensive index. The publications
themselves prepared quite good and detailed annual indices, and these
have usually been bound into the front of annual bound volumes at
libraries. I have used them quite successfully over the years, and
have found them accurate and complete.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: Orange & Lemons Shipped West (Lemons From Yuma)

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Ed from the photo referenced, it appears the car is sitting on wood blocks placed under the journal boxes. Further it appears a
permanent jacking device is trackside opposite the loading door. The procedure would be lift up one side of the car, tilting it
toward the dock, place wood blocks under the journal boxes. Very similar to using a floor jack to lift up a car, then placing jack
stands to ensure the car does not fall if the jack fails.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Railway Gazette and Railway Age

Tim O'Connor
 

Rich, once a publication has been converted to a PDF (typically
by OCR software) then indexing can be done automatically by dozens
of available tools including Google Desktop -- you can point your
personal Google Desktop at a PDF collection in an offline archive
for example, and it will read and index the documents for you.
Of course, the worldwide Google search engine will do the same,
but the data you want will be buried much deeper... The only
current limitation of these indexers is poor recognition of
image files (JPEG etc) but in another 10-15 years I think that
automatic recognition and indexing of railroad images (as well
as all other images) will be very common.

There's an interesting article on the "Fourth Paradigm" in today's
New York Times, how science and analysis are being transformed by
data mining software tools. Someone is bound to develop "brilliant"
software that can read a magazine and recognize ads and distinguish
between different types of content and produce specialized indexes.

Tim O'Connor

At 12/18/2009 08:38 PM Friday, you wrote:
Friends,
Such an index would be a really nice addition to our knowledge base,
but to do it would be very time consuming.
Back in the 1980's I did an index like this in Lotus 123, but it only
dealt with every PRR entry for Railway Age, Railroad Gazette, and Railway
Age Gazette (as it was called for a few years after they merged). It took
up over 80 pages. I've never digitized it, but still today refer to it
often. There was a limited publication of it (i.e. about 6 copies). The
PRRT&HS archives have one, as does the U of M transportation library. A similar
index of every freight car article would be wonderful, but I can't imagine
anyone having the time to do it all. It took me over two years collecting
the PRR data and organizing it. Maybe today in the age of fast computers
someone will figure out a way? I recall it took my desktop all afternoon to
sort the pages out back then. I'd like to eventually update the index to
include advertisements that were PRR oriented.
Lacking access to a PDF copy machine I can't offer the index online,
but if anyone wants to pay the cost of a hard copy I would gladly go to the
copy shop and produce one.
A side light of this was that Railroad Gazette was the more advanced
magazine of the day (early 20th century), but Railway Age had began in
Chicago a number of years earlier and had the "bragging rights" as the oldest
such magazine in publication. Once merged, the name became Railroad Age
Gazette, but morphed back to Railway Age, so that it could claim such an early
date as it's first issue. A third magazine, Railway Review, also existed,
and merged into Railway Age around 1926. This all began in 1908 with the
initial merger of Railway Age, and Railroad Gazette, to become Railroad Age
Gazette, which soon became Railway Age Gazette, and then finally Railway
Age in 1917. There was no name change when Railroad Review merged into the
mix.
Rich Burg


Re: Railway Gazette and Railway Age

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Westerfield wrote:
Richard - I did that to see CBCs at the Crerar Library in Chicago. By mistake I showed up at the distribution center where I saw troglodytes heaving priceless volumes off a truck in the most careless way, spilling books, tearing bindings, etc. Good luck....
You know what they say, Al -- no one should witness the making of the sausage. <g> Oh, and BTW, you can witness those exact same troglodytes (or their relatives) doing exactly the same with Christmas packages in the back of any post office.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Railway Gazette and Railway Age

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Richard - I did that to see CBCs at the Crerar Library in Chicago. By mistake I showed up at the distribution center where I saw troglodytes heaving priceless volumes off a truck in the most careless way, spilling books, tearing bindings, etc. Good luck.... - Al Westerfield

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Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Railway Gazette and Railway Age



Thanks to all who have replied so far on this matter. The only "local" library of which I am aware that carries any of these is the Oregon State University library, and they have the issues from 1918-1948 in off-site storage. You have to request them to bring them to the library. Since the library is about a two-hour drive away and you have to ask for items in storage in person the day before you want to use them I was hoping to avoid having to ask for all 31 volumes just on the hope that something relevant exists.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Dec 18, 2009 11:14 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Railway Gazette and Railway Age

Richard Townsend wrote:
> Here's what I suspect is a forlorn hope: is there a comprehensive
> index to these publications? If not, other than by going through
> each issue, how does one find anything about, say, a steam era
> freight car? If there are annual indices, and they collected
> somewhere?

I"m not aware of a comprehensive index. The publications
themselves prepared quite good and detailed annual indices, and these
have usually been bound into the front of annual bound volumes at
libraries. I have used them quite successfully over the years, and
have found them accurate and complete.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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