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Re: Build date of NP 39487?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 24, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Kurt Laughlin wrote:

Feel free to send your conclusions to Tony, at home, at his publishing
business, or at the university; whichever signature line he used at
the time
to let us all know that he knows what he's talking about, and we
don't.
And a merry Christmas to you, too, Kurt. Disagreements on this list
are part of the process. Personal sniping is not. These remarks
cross the line and should earn you a lump of coal in your Christmas
stocking.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Coil-Elliptic Trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 24, 2009, at 9:35 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Richard, the DT&I gondolas were 70 ton correct? Brian's only done
50 ton trucks thus far...
True, but I ain't gonna quibble about it. Just to have an excellent
coil-elliptic truck at all is a major breakthrough.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: Brake fluid warning

CJ Riley
 

I found this on a casting list and thought it wise to forward to a group that has talked about brake fluid as a stripper.

http://www.brewraci ngframes. com/id75. htm

Very scary info, although we rarely TIG weld, we might do other dome things with similar dangers.


CJ Riley


Re: Build date of NP 39487?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Gene,

Since we have such a lovely image of this freight car available on-line is there any interest on your part to scan and post the diagram on-line for those who might be interested in taking this a little further?

Thanks - Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene [mailto:losgatos48@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 08:22 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Build date of NP 39487?

My NP Freight Equipment book from 1-24-40 shows that that this car was one of group that was renumbered from four different series. The earliest build date is 1907 with the latest being 1912 for a group built at South Tacoma shops.

Gene Deimling


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

As seen here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/us_army_rolling_along/4208381799/sizes/o/in/set-72157622932596875/

I'm trying to date the photos.

Thx,
KL

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Re: Coil-Elliptic Trucks

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard, the DT&I gondolas were 70 ton correct? Brian's only done
50 ton trucks thus far...

Tim O'Connor

Here are a couple more, Brian. I know because I just put your trucks
on models of these.

John R. Grace & Co GRYX 657 AC&F Type 27 8.000 gal. tank car built
1937. Sorry, I don't have a number series for these (in the ORERs
they're lumped into a series of several hundred cars). All I have
is an in-service photo.

Detroit, Toledo & Ironton DT&I 9000-9099, 52'6" Greenville drop end
mill gondolas (most equipped after WW II with rack for auto frame
loading).

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Tahoe Model Works latest HO 50T truck

brianleppert@att.net
 

Bill,

The newest HO offering is a Barber Lateral Motion 50-Ton Truck. I'll try to make a full announcement later today, but in the meantime I can e-mail the flyer. If anyone is interested please contact me OFF-LIST at

brianleppert@att.net

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Dear Andy:

I have never had any business courses but as a consumer I have always found it handy to know what it is I am purchasing, that is, mentioned in a non cryptic way rather than having to do research to find out what I am being asked to buy.

Just a thought.

Bill Welch


Re: Build date of NP 39487?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

I invite all interested parties to do so, but please make sure to read my initial statement as well: "American tank design *in the interwar period* was probably no worse nor better than that of any other country at the time."

Feel free to send your conclusions to Tony, at home, at his publishing business, or at the university; whichever signature line he used at the time to let us all know that he knows what he's talking about, and we don't.

Toodles!
KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson (determined to have the last word despite previous statements to the contrary)

Kurt Laughlin (attempting to have the last word) wrote:
Yes I am serious, and yes, you are wrong, but I'll be happy to stop
here, as per your usual request when challenged and you want to have
the last word.
Read any tank history, is all I can say, and see if you think
Kurt is right.


Re: Build date of NP 39487?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Thanks Gene. Any indication of when this particular car had 39487 assigned?

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene

My NP Freight Equipment book from 1-24-40 shows that that this car was one of group that was renumbered from four different series. The earliest build date is 1907 with the latest being 1912 for a group built at South Tacoma shops.


Happy Holidays

Dennis Williams
 

We at resinbuilders4u want to wish everyone a safe and happy holidays. Dennis
Dennis Williams
Munhall, Pa.
www.resinbuilders4u.com


Re: Mail order business for freight cars, etc.

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I have done business for many year with Park Varieties. It's owner Frank Bura and a member of this list passed away a couple of weeks ago. Frank was a great guy and he will be missed. Which brings me to my question. Does anyone know of a small home run model railroad business when I can purchase my freight cars and assorted items I might need.


Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Tahoe Model Works latest HO 50T truck

Bill Welch
 

Dear Andy:

I have never had any business courses but as a consumer I have always found it handy to know what it is I am purchasing, that is, mentioned in a non cryptic way rather than having to do research to find out what I am being asked to buy.

Just a thought.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

I am pleased to be able to offer the latest Tahoe Model Works HO 50 Ton truck. This is arguably the most used of his entire line in the prototype world. This is his 9th offering to date.

I am sure that Brian will make his notice to this list shortly, though I will summarize the users:

1920s to the late 1930s
ATSF B&O CB&Q CNCP CV CoG C&NW C&EI ERIE DL&W GTWIC MP NP RI SL-SF SP T&NO T&P UP and WP. Also PFESFRD

Brian informs me that these trucks were used extensively as replacements for earlier- defect prone trucks such as the PFE's T-section.

Prices from me are $5.25/pair with either code 88 or fat wheels.
Sideframes less wheelsets w/ brake beams are $3.00/pair

I still have a good selection of trucks 001-008 with and w/o wheelsets.

Shipping is based on actual charges. I do accept PayPal, and I still welcome personal checks.As before, I can be contacted off-list (please) at <midcentury@...>
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
805 646 3334


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Re: stock car cyclopedia

frograbbit602
 

Merlyn and Bill,

Merlyn I appreciate knowing Vol. 2 never published and Bill I appreciate the website to help with prototype.
Thank You!
Lester Breuer
Minneapolis, MN

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, mlauber4@... wrote:

Lester,

Vol. 2 of the Stock Car book has never been released by Hundman. We're still waiting for it too.

Merlyn Lauber
Caboose Stop Hobbies

----- Original Message -----
From: frograbbit602 <frograbbit602@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:48:27 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [STMFC] stock car cyclopedia

All, In looking for a prototype for a styrene/plastic stock car by Lindberg in the Stock Car Cyclopedia, Vol. 1 by Hundman there was reference to a Vol. 2. Can someone tell me if Vol. 2 was ever published?
And, does anyone know if there was a prototype for the Lindberg stock car as I have had no success in finding one?

Lester Breuer


Re: Brake fluid warning

Charles Hladik
 

Bill,
Trichloroethelyne (111) was banned from production at least 10 years
ago. Yes it is a great solvent.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 12/24/2009 2:40:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
billinsf@yahoo.com writes:




Nasty stuff... although if you read the article, they are talking about
brake CLEANER, not brake fluid. AFAIK, brake fluid does not contain TCE, but
that doesn't mean all of our compounds and chemicals we use are safe.
Somebody (I think LaBelle Lubricants) once sold powdered teflon as a lubricant,
and if you smoke, the tip of your cigarette is hot enough to break it down
to, you guessed it, Phosgene gas.

Incidently, TCE (or Trichloroethylene) was and still is a common solvent.
Down here it is a common groundwater contaminant, and has been suspected in
several local leukemia "hotspots". TCE is also the first daughter product
of Perchloroethylene, a common dry cleaning solvent. It's amazing the nasty
compounds we surround ourselves with...

Bill Daniels

Tucson, AZ

--- On Thu, 12/24/09, Anthony Thompson <_thompson@signaturepthompson_
(mailto:thompson@signaturepress.com) > wrote:

From: Anthony Thompson <_thompson@signaturepthompson_
(mailto:thompson@signaturepress.com) >
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Brake fluid warning
To: _STMFC@yahoogroups.STM_ (mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com)
Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 12:22 PM



I found this on a casting list and thought it wise to forward to a
group that has talked about brake fluid as a stripper.
_http://www.brewraci_ (http://www.brewraci/) ngframes. com/id75. htm
CJ inserted some spaces into the URL, which make it

inoperative. I've fixed those in the above citation.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com

Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: Build date of NP 39487?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

michael bishop wrote:
So with that, the photo is sometime after 1919. Still does not answer the build date of the NP car.
At least it means the car was built prior to 1919. That's not an almost new car.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Build date of NP 39487?

michael bishop <goldrod_1@...>
 

The tank is an M1917 built in the United State by the Van Dorns Ironworks. The First tank rolled of the floor October 18 and only ten ever reach France before the Armistice, none were used in actual combat. A total of 950 were built for the Us Army, the US Marines used some in 1927 in China. The tank had a weight of 6 tons. So with that, the photo is sometime after 1919. Still does not answer the build date of the NP car.
 
Michael Bishop

--- On Wed, 12/23/09, Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com> wrote:


From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Build date of NP 39487?
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 9:34 PM


 



Kurt Laughlin (attempting to have the last word) wrote:
Yes I am serious, and yes, you are wrong, but I'll be happy to stop
here, as per your usual request when challenged and you want to have
the last word.
Read any tank history, is all I can say, and see if you think
Kurt is right. But it's true that it's my fault there's this much
discussion of tanks on the list. My bad.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress. com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history











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Re: stock car cyclopedia

Merlyn Lauber
 

Lester,

Vol. 2 of the Stock Car book has never been released by Hundman. We're still waiting for it too.

Merlyn Lauber
Caboose Stop Hobbies

----- Original Message -----
From: frograbbit602 <frograbbit602@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:48:27 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [STMFC] stock car cyclopedia

All, In looking for a prototype for a styrene/plastic stock car by Lindberg in the Stock Car Cyclopedia, Vol. 1 by Hundman there was reference to a Vol. 2. Can someone tell me if Vol. 2 was ever published?
And, does anyone know if there was a prototype for the Lindberg stock car as I have had no success in finding one?

Lester Breuer


Re: Build date of NP 39487?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Kurt Laughlin (attempting to have the last word) wrote:
Yes I am serious, and yes, you are wrong, but I'll be happy to stop here, as per your usual request when challenged and you want to have the last word.
Read any tank history, is all I can say, and see if you think Kurt is right. But it's true that it's my fault there's this much discussion of tanks on the list. My bad.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Tahoe Model Works latest HO 50T truck

Andy Carlson
 

I am pleased to be able to offer the latest Tahoe Model Works HO 50 Ton truck. This is arguably the most used of his entire line in the prototype world. This is his 9th offering to date.

I am sure that Brian will make his notice to this list shortly, though I will summarize the users:

1920s to the late 1930s
ATSF B&O CB&Q CNCP CV CoG C&NW C&EI ERIE DL&W GTWIC MP NP RI SL-SF SP T&NO T&P UP and WP. Also PFESFRD

Brian informs me that these trucks were used extensively as replacements for earlier- defect prone trucks such as the PFE's T-section.

Prices from me are $5.25/pair with either code 88 or fat wheels.
Sideframes less wheelsets w/ brake beams are $3.00/pair

I still have a good selection of trucks 001-008 with and w/o wheelsets.

Shipping is based on actual charges. I do accept PayPal, and I still welcome personal checks.As before, I can be contacted off-list (please) at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
805 646 3334


Re: Build date of NP 39487?

Gene <losgatos48@...>
 

My NP Freight Equipment book from 1-24-40 shows that that this car was one of group that was renumbered from four different series. The earliest build date is 1907 with the latest being 1912 for a group built at South Tacoma shops.

Gene Deimling

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

As seen here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/us_army_rolling_along/4208381799/sizes/o/in/set-72157622932596875/

I'm trying to date the photos.

Thx,
KL

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Re: Build date of NP 39487?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson

Kurt Laughlin wrote:
American tank design in the interwar period was probably no worse
nor better than that of any other country at
the time.
As the saying goes, Kurt, you cannot be serious. It's certainly
true that everyone was feeling their way to an appropriate and useful
design, but Russian and English ideas were far ahead of anything
Americans did; and I assume you've heard of the German tank forces.
But this list is not the appropriate place to debate armor
history, so I'll stop here.

----- Original Message -----
Yes I am serious, and yes, you are wrong, but I'll be happy to stop here, as per your usual request when challenged and you want to have the last word.

And by the way, I think it was you dragged this into a tank rather than a freight car discussion.

KL

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