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Re: Arch bar trucks.....

bob_karig <karig@...>
 

With the help of Bill Kelly, I've put together the following sequence of events regarding the prohibition of arch bar trucks in interchange. This information is assembled Rule 3, Section (t) of the Code of Rules Governing the Condition of, and Repairs to, Freight and Passenger Cars for the Interchange of Traffic adopted by the Association of American Railroads for the years indicated.

1931: 3 (t) (3) "Trucks, with arch bars, prohibited, effective January 1, 1936, under all cars. From owners."

1936: 3 (t) (4) "Trucks, with arch bars, prohibited, effective January 1, 1938, under all cars. From owners."

1938, Supplement 2, 3 (t) (4): Effective date of prohibition extended to January 1, 1939

1939: 3 (t) (4) "Trucks, with arch bars, prohibited, effective July 1, 1939, under all cars. From owners."

1940: 3 (t) (4) "Trucks, with arch bars, prohibited, on and after January 1, 1940. From owners."

1940, Supplement 1: Effective July 1, 1940, "(t) (4) Trucks, with arch bars, prohibited under all cars. In
interchange."

1940, Supplement 2, dated July 1940: 3 (t) (4) "Trucks, with arch bars, prohibited under all cars. In interchange."

Note—The movement of cars equipped with arch bar trucks must be confined to owner's rails, except that they are acceptable in interchange from owner for loading or for unloading within the same terminal switching district in which the interchange occurs, providing that no road haul is involved in such movement, and providing that cars so interchanged will be immediately returned to owner's rails when loading or unloading is accomplished.
Cars equipped with arch bar trucks are acceptable for movement between plants located in the same switching district, providing no road haul is involved.
Locomotive cranes, locomotive tenders and derricks, built prior to January 1, 1940 and equipped with arch bar trucks, may be accepted in interchange or from owners prior to January 1, 1941, and moved under such controlled speeds as may be required by handling railroad. Effective January 1, 1941, such equipment will be prohibited in interchange. (This paragraph does not apply to contractors' work equipment other than mentioned above.)

1941: 3 (t) (4) "Trucks, with arch bars, prohibited under all cars, locomotive cranes, locomotive tenders and derricks. In interchange."

Note: The movement of cars equipped with arch bar trucks must be confined to owner's rails, except that they are acceptable in interchange form owner for loading or for unloading within the same terminal switching district in which the interchange occurs, providing that no road haul is involved in such movement, and providing that cars so interchanges will be immediately returned to owners rails when loading or unloading is accomplished.
Cars equipped with arch bar trucks are acceptable for movement between plants located in the same switching district, providing no road haul is involved.

1942-1960: 3 (t) (4) "Trucks, with arch bars, prohibited under all cars, locomotive cranes, locomotive tenders and derricks. In interchange." Minor changes in note with regard to handling cars within switching districts at international border points..

I have also posted this information as a pdf in the file section under the title "Arch Bar History."

Bob Karig


Re: Barrel Crates - How Common Were These?

Bill Welch
 

Although the caption characterizes these as barrels, they are really more like cylindrical crates with slates to promote contact with cool air. I have accumulated several resources related to various forms of shipping containers for produce related to researching the FGE/WFE/BRE companies. What most of us would call and recognize as barrels were used to ship potatoes and apples. Most citrus was shipped in rectangular crates which one publication called simply "Orange and Grapefruit boxes."

Many crops required specifically designed shipping containers while potatoes, for example was also loaded in bulk into reefers and in paper or burlap bags. Peaches moved in specially designed baskets while asparagus were shipped in a box that was shaped like a trapezoid the given vegetables shape once they were bundled and tied together.

Attendees at Cocoa Beach will get a little taste of containers in my presentation there (shameless self-promotion).

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Nolan Hinshaw <cearnog@...> wrote:

On Jan 3, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Bob C wrote:

This image is from the Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library's
Burgert Brothers Photographic Archives. The caption reads, "Barrel
crates of Pinellas County citrus fruit loaded in boxcar for
shipment: Elfers, Fla. The date is 1931. (I believe the "boxcar"
is actually a reefer.)

http://digital.hcplc.org/burgert/archive09/8263.jpg

I have never seen barrel crates before. Were these very common?
Idunno, but I really appreciated an image illustrating hexagonal
closest packing of circles. Meanwhile the imagination runs rampant
with possibilities for a project I'm working on.
--
Nolan Hinshaw, native Californian since 1944
"[Vista is] about as stable as a one-legged elephant on a skateboard"
C. Daniels


CNW/CMO Slogan Boxcars

Tim Meyer
 

Hi

I am looking for information on CNW/CMO slogan boxcars. So far this is what I have found.

April 1976 North Western Lines

April 1981 North Western Lines by Fred Hartwig

Summer 1983 North Western Lines by Clem Devine

December 1986 Prototype Modeler by Lloyd Rinehart

Fall 1996 North Western Lines by Jeff Koeller

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia volume 1 by Pat Wider and Ed Hawkins
_____________________________________________________

The early 1937 slogans. From what I can tell theses slogans were used on both sides of the car.

CMO's ROUTE OF THE 400

CNW's ROUTE OF THE 400 AND THE STREAMLINERS and later changed to just ROUTE OF THE 400
_____________________________________________________

And 5 slogans that started in 1944

THE OVERLAND ROUTE

ROUTE OF THE 400 FLEET

ROUTE OF THE 400 STREAMLINERS

ROUTE OF THE CHALLENGERS

ROUTE OF THE STREAMLINERS
_____________________________________________________


Thanks for any help.

Tim


Re: Barrel Crates - How Common Were These?

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jan 3, 2010, at 12:15 PM, Bob C wrote:

This image is from the Tampa-Hillsborough County Public Library's Burgert Brothers Photographic Archives. The caption reads, "Barrel crates of Pinellas County citrus fruit loaded in boxcar for shipment: Elfers, Fla. The date is 1931. (I believe the "boxcar" is actually a reefer.)

http://digital.hcplc.org/burgert/archive09/8263.jpg

I have never seen barrel crates before. Were these very common?
Idunno, but I really appreciated an image illustrating hexagonal
closest packing of circles. Meanwhile the imagination runs rampant
with possibilities for a project I'm working on.
--
Nolan Hinshaw, native Californian since 1944
"[Vista is] about as stable as a one-legged elephant on a skateboard"
C. Daniels


For Sale: S scale steam era freight cars

Rob Sarberenyi <espeef5@...>
 

I'm selling some S scale (real 1/64 scale, NOT American Flyer stuff) rolling
stock for a friend that includes several 1937 AAR 40' box cars in various
roadnames, along with other steam era freight cars also in a variety of
roadnames. The listings end later tonight

http://stores.ebay.com/Espee-F-5

Thanks for looking!


Rob Sarberenyi


Re: Precision Scale parts

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

gary laakso wrote:
Which part number did you order? I have their catalogues and have a list of parts to order and the project today is to find which one to order! TIA
PSC 32110. Beautiful parts.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ATSF raised--roof BX-12

railwayman <stevelucas3@...>
 

Brian--

I'll get a pair of the #202 trucks and finish the car as a Bx-11. Good thing that you now have Canadian suppliers. I picked your trucks up at Terry Link's booth at a train show 100 miles west of Toronto yesterday.

Very nice work. I'd read much about them, but not seen any until yesterday. By the way, it's been pointed out to me that the #201 trucks are a good match for the trucks used on CN car orders from 1929 to at least the mid-1930's.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:



Or use the TMW-202 trucks and number the car as a Bx-11. There's only a slight difference in the ends and a couple correctable grab irons, and the trucks will be correct. That's what I'm going to do <g>.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@> wrote:

On Jan 3, 2010, at 3:09 PM, railwayman wrote:

Are the TMW 201 "50 ton Dalman 2-level trucks" suitable for this
car as modelled by the Westerfield kit?
Steve, the Santa Fe Dalman trucks had Barber Lateral Motion devices,
so what you need are the TMW #202 trucks. Actually, the Bx-11s had
Dalman 2-level trucks, for which the TMW HO scale trucks are dead
on. The Bx-12s, built a year later, had Dalman 1-level trucks, which
were made only briefly ca. 1930-'32, and have never been modeled in
HO. However, the TMW #202s are quite close - as close as you're
going to get.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: Precision Scale parts

gary laakso
 

Which part number did you order? I have their catalogues and have a list of parts to order and the project today is to find which one to order! TIA

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock where its 62 degrees n sunny
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

----- Original Message -----
From: Denny Anspach
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/4/2010 12:39:30 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Precision Scale parts



Very recently, PSC filled my phone order for tank car stanchions in a
matter of days (they had them packaged and in stock). My more usual
experience over the year is that one has to wait some weeks while the
parts are cast to order.

They did comment to me that there had been considerable interest in
the stanchions recently.

They ARE pretty nice!

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento




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Re: Precision Scale Angle Cock Bracket

golden1014
 

Tony, Schuyler and All,

Thanks for the advice. I'll give 'em a call today. Have fun at Cocoa!

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Many years ago, I was looking desperately for some PSC GP handrail
brackets. I ordered them from Walthers and kept getting an answer
"Out of stock at the manufacturer." This went on for months.
Finally, I realized that PSC was essentially up the road a ways - I
lived in San Francisco then, and at that time PSC was located in
Woodland CA, just up Interstate 80 a few miles. So, I called
information and got their phone number, called them up and asked
when they would be making more of the particular part I wanted. I
was greeted with laughter, not mean laughter, but laughter
nonetheless. When he regained his composure, he asked "How many
pounds of them would you like?"
That little story is to suggest that you should call PSC
directly. I suspect you could get several pounds of the "Brass
Angle Cock Brackets" if you do so.
Exactly. Walthers is like a lot of hobby shops. When they say "out
of stock," it may easily just mean "not convenient for us to order
right now," as Signature Press has learned also with MANY hobby shops
regarding our books.
I recently arranged a bulk order of PSC parts with little trouble
and a nice discount. DO call them.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ATSF raised--roof BX-12

railwayman <stevelucas3@...>
 

Richard--

Thanks! I'll get a pair of the TMW 202's for this car, and number/detail it as a Bx-11. I'll have to read the Westerfield instructions a bit more closely.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Jan 3, 2010, at 3:09 PM, railwayman wrote:

Are the TMW 201 "50 ton Dalman 2-level trucks" suitable for this
car as modelled by the Westerfield kit?
Steve, the Santa Fe Dalman trucks had Barber Lateral Motion devices,
so what you need are the TMW #202 trucks. Actually, the Bx-11s had
Dalman 2-level trucks, for which the TMW HO scale trucks are dead
on. The Bx-12s, built a year later, had Dalman 1-level trucks, which
were made only briefly ca. 1930-'32, and have never been modeled in
HO. However, the TMW #202s are quite close - as close as you're
going to get.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: Precision Scale parts

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

Very recently, PSC filled my phone order for tank car stanchions in a matter of days (they had them packaged and in stock). My more usual experience over the year is that one has to wait some weeks while the parts are cast to order.

They did comment to me that there had been considerable interest in the stanchions recently.


They ARE pretty nice!

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: freight car wheel help

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 4, 2010, at 2:20 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Cast iron wheels were prohibited on NEW/REBUILT cars after 1958,
but they were not prohibited from interchange until 1970.
Tim is correct. However, it remains true that a car delivered new
with 1 W wrought steel wheels would hardly ever have had them
replaced with cast wheels in later years.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: ATSF raised--roof BX-12

Raymond Young
 

Jerry,

Love that car!  See attached picture.

Virgil TE

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, asychis@aol.com <asychis@aol.com> wrote:

From: asychis@aol.com <asychis@aol.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ATSF raised--roof BX-12
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 8:28 AM







 









Curious, I take it a lot of us have seen Andy Sperandeo's nice article in

the latest MR on building a resin kit, with the model being an AT&SF

BX11/BX12?



Jerry Michels



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Re: USRA design Twin hopper rebuilt into Covered hopper:

water.kresse@...
 

Thank you,



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "soolinehistory" <destorzek@mchsi.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 12:23:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] USRA design Twin hopper rebuilt into Covered hopper:



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave & Donna" <ironhoss1994@...> wrote:

Are there published plans for a AAR twin hooper?   I would like to build one in 1.5 in scale.

Thanks for all replies so far.

Dave J.
This is getting out of hand. The car in the photos is a USRA design (Although built after the USRA was disbanded and the railroads returned to their owners). Drawings for the USRA car can be found in the Car Builder's Cyclopedias from WWI until 1940, and have been redrawn and published in MR ages ago, and Mainline Modeler more recently.

The various AAR standard hoppers were all offset side designs. Drawings can be found in the same sources.

Dennis



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Re: Grand Trunk flat series number

frograbbit602
 

Ian,

Thank You for the additional CN numbering information and car life. Information I did not know and I am pleased to have. Thanks again!
Lester Breuer
Minneapolis, MN

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ian Cranstone <lamontc@...> wrote:

I will add to Brian Leppert's reply of the series being GT 64300-65299, the additional note that these cars were renumbered to CN 659000-659999 during the 1923-1932 period, with the last surviving car being removed in 1981 (GT 64300 was assigned CN 659000) -- there were still 650 cars in this series as of the 1960 cutoff date of this list.

As a group, these cars were constructed by National Steel Car from 4-6/1921 (GT 64300-64699) and 9-11/1921 (GT 64700-65299). I'm not sure of the reason for no cars having been built during the summer months -- it's possible that there was a summer shutdown for vacation (I recall my grandfather noting this as a standard practice at the CPR shops in Winnipeg where he worked for many years -- everybody simply got the same couple of weeks as the entire shop shut down), or perhaps there was a labour issue. It's also possible that there were two separate lots of cars involved (especially given the neat 400/600 car split), although I only know of one lot number.


Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...
freightcars.nakina.net

On 2010-01-02, at 10:33 AM, Lester Breuer wrote:
Grand Trunk flat number 64300 photo on p. 172, Fig. 135 in Train Shed Cyc. No. 62 from the 1925 Car Builders or photo in 1928 Car Builders Cyc. p. 190, Fig. 143. I do not have an ORER to get number series. Can someone tell me the number series this car was in?



RES: Precision Scale Angle Cock Bracket

Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
 

Just e-mail them or call.



Precision Scale Company, Inc.
2383 Meridian Road
Victor, MT 59875
Phone: (406) 642-3901
Fax: (406) 642-3904
<mailto:psc@ixi.net> psc@ixi.net



Marcelo Lordeiro

www.mrcustom.com.br

trens@mrcustom.com.br

Tel.: +55 21 2273-2758



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De: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Em nome de John
Golden
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 4 de janeiro de 2010 00:25
Para: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: [STMFC] Precision Scale Angle Cock Bracket





Gentlemen,

Does anyone know where I could find the Precision Scale HO "Brass Angle Cock
Bracket". I'd like to order some and can't find anyone that has them. They
are item #39156. Thanks--my steam-era freight cars need 'em.

John
Golden1014@yahoo. <mailto:Golden1014%40yahoo.com> com

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


Re: freight car wheel help

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard

Cast iron wheels were prohibited on NEW/REBUILT cars after 1958,
but they were not prohibited from interchange until 1970.

Tim O'Connor


Yes, and yes. After World War II, many cars still had cast iron

wheels, which weren't outlawed by the AAR until 1958, but it would
have been very rare for a car that was delivered with one wear
wrought steel wheels to have them replaced with anything else.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: ATSF raised--roof BX-12

asychis@...
 

Curious, I take it a lot of us have seen Andy Sperandeo's nice article in
the latest MR on building a resin kit, with the model being an AT&SF
BX11/BX12?

Jerry Michels


Re: AAR Twin hopper rebuilt into Covered hopper:

Donald Ford <ford.donald77@...>
 

Tim my records show they were bought second had from Wilcox Company in Chicago IL in 1930.  Nice photo staff hand brake and ck out the location of the AB brake air tank.
Don Ford
Kanab UT




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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 3:35:59 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] AAR Twin hopper rebuilt into Covered hopper:

 

Matt, I don't know anything about them except the builder (Pressed
Steel) and built date (1922) shown in the NP Color Guide. They are
listed in the 1940 ORER as a complete series (49 cars) 70000-70048.
They were only 18 years old in 1940 I don't know of anyone who got
rid of USRA clones so soon.

Tim O'Connor

Thanks for your response. My question should have been more specific. Were
the NP 70000 series hopper cars purchased new or used and if used from what
source.

One of these cars was still around a few years ago on MRL in Missoula.

Matt Herson

From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:50 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] AAR Twin hopper rebuilt into Covered hopper:

Matt the captions in the NP Color Guide say these were rebuilt from
USRA clones 70000-70048 in 1957. And one of the photos is from your
collection!

Tim O'Connor

At 1/2/2010 07:23 PM Saturday, you wrote:
The car comes from the NP 207400-207427 series used in company sand service
as lettered on the car. They were originally NP 70000-70048 series hoppers
built in 1922 and rebuilt for sand service in 1957 and 1959. This from NP
diagram sheets posted at

www.nprha. org

Another question regarding these cars: Were they purchased new or used by
the NP?

Thanks for any replys,

Matt Herson






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Haute Couture for Cocoa Beach

sctry
 

In order to enhance our Steam Era Freight Car modeling experience at the
forthcoming ProtoRails 2010 (aka: Cocoa Beach), the following thread from
the recently defunct "Shirt Club Discussion Group" is passed along: "..the
membership selection committee chairman while relaxing with a refreshing
Leinenkugels has declared that ProtoRails 2010 to be a RED SHIRT Thursday,
BLACK SHIRT Friday and SEA MIST GREEN SHIRT Saturday." All inductees and
members in good standing of the ____?____ (a.k.a. Hawaiian Shirt Club,
Chicago Shirt Mafia, Polish National Touring Bowling Team, Those Guys in the
Crazy Shirts, I want one too) are encouraged to proudly wear their colors
while participating in the Cocoa Beach events. In the event of
inappropriate weather; long sleeve, insulated versions of the official
colors shall be in effect.

Weather or not, here we come!



J. Greedy

Exofficio Recording Secretary

96661 - 96680 of 184354