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Re: Appreciation Lunch

Armand Premo
 

On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:47:32 -0500, "Brian J Carlson"
<prrk41361@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Do they get a scarf and mittens for next year? (Moderation jail here I
come)



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mike
Brock
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:46 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Appreciation Lunch





Mike Brock...obviously incoherent after Prototype Rails...writes:

Hi, Al,
Prototype Rails wants to show its appreciation to the registration team
by
buying it lunch. If I get over the cold...sure couldn't be a
Hot...which
I
acquired during the meet, we'll do it this coming Saturday if you
registration guys are available. We'll use Chilies as usual. If we
can't
get
everyone together, we'll try another Sat. Do NOT go to Chilies on the
16th
unless you hear from me again.
Well, obviously, this message was intended for the registration
team...two
of which are members of the STMFC...Al Brown and Armand Premo...so I
guess
I

didn't waste it totally. Also, as you can see, if you help out on
registration you now know you get a free lunch. Of course...heh,
heh...you
got to be here to collect.

Mike Brock

Cheese and crackers again? Armand Premo




Re: Appreciation Lunch

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Brian Carlson...in a moment of weakness...says:


Do they get a scarf and mittens for next year? (Moderation jail here I
come)
Damned jail door is frozen shut.

Mike Brock


Re: Appreciation Lunch

Brian Carlson
 

Do they get a scarf and mittens for next year? (Moderation jail here I
come)



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Brock
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:46 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Appreciation Lunch





Mike Brock...obviously incoherent after Prototype Rails...writes:

Hi, Al,
Prototype Rails wants to show its appreciation to the registration team by
buying it lunch. If I get over the cold...sure couldn't be a Hot...which I
acquired during the meet, we'll do it this coming Saturday if you
registration guys are available. We'll use Chilies as usual. If we can't
get
everyone together, we'll try another Sat. Do NOT go to Chilies on the 16th
unless you hear from me again.
Well, obviously, this message was intended for the registration team...two
of which are members of the STMFC...Al Brown and Armand Premo...so I guess I

didn't waste it totally. Also, as you can see, if you help out on
registration you now know you get a free lunch. Of course...heh, heh...you
got to be here to collect.

Mike Brock


Re: Appreciation Lunch

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Mike Brock...obviously incoherent after Prototype Rails...writes:


Hi, Al,
Prototype Rails wants to show its appreciation to the registration team by
buying it lunch. If I get over the cold...sure couldn't be a Hot...which I
acquired during the meet, we'll do it this coming Saturday if you
registration guys are available. We'll use Chilies as usual. If we can't get
everyone together, we'll try another Sat. Do NOT go to Chilies on the 16th
unless you hear from me again.
Well, obviously, this message was intended for the registration team...two of which are members of the STMFC...Al Brown and Armand Premo...so I guess I didn't waste it totally. Also, as you can see, if you help out on registration you now know you get a free lunch. Of course...heh, heh...you got to be here to collect.

Mike Brock


Re: FGEX Lettering Drawing

railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
 

Well George Elwood got back to me an he sent me an 8 MB tif file of the drawing which has some interesting dates. The drawing is 12-D-97 "Lettering Arrangement (Swinging Door Cars)" and is dated 9-14-1951.

On November 7, 1951 Revision A was created "Revised account changing date built stencil & adding superseding note". The note stated "This tracing supersede's wood & steel sheathed car lettering arrangements DWG's 4-D-60-I, 7-D-89-B, 8-D-12-B, 9-D-8-C, 9-D-55-F (?), 10-D-5 & 12-D-18, account eliminating the word Ventilator".

Revision B was created 1-16-1953: "Revised account showing LT. WT. stencil without border. Black letters on yellow background. Date built stencil next to car dimensions. Journal box repacking stencil also in black letters on yellow background. Eliminating built new stencil and note on built new plate".

Revision C dated 9-10-57: "Rev. account adding; wood door threshold to be painted FGE std. yellow. End stencil - ref. P-11, defect card holder stencil. Adjustable bunker stencil and ref. removed".

This info was of great interest to me as I have been trying to pin down the lettering on our 1953 Western Fruit Express WHIX 70325 and our FGEX 16134. It explains why the 1952 WHIX cars had the black background on the Lt. Wt. and our November 1953 car does not. Also the time period "Ventilator" dropped off.

Richard Wilkens

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

I do know Larry Berger, a fine man. I doubt that there is a cleaner copy available from Larry.
Larry is a guy who has his ear close to the rail, and manages to find all sorts of obscure paper
which is about to be thrown out, or is in the hands of an estate which has no idea of what to do
with it, or something. He comes up with the most amazing things. His particular interests include
(fortunately for me) the ERIE, the EL and as collateral information, the DL&W, though there are
plenty of other things which are caught in his net, witness this FGE drawing.

I would contact George Elwood and see if you can get a copy of the image on the web, as when George
supplies the image directly to you it will be more legible on your screen than via the web. Web
images are typically scanned at 300 dpi, because of the limitations of your monitor. He may have a
higher resolution scan available. And you might donate to support his site, which receives zero
commercial support. It's an astounding effort done on his own initiative and essentially with his
own cash.

BTW, Larry has, AFAIK, no web connection. He pays more attention to gathering drawings and all
that.

SGL

Was poking around the Fallen Flags website and under Fruit Growers Express I found a lettering
drawing credited to a
Larry Berger:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-frt/12-D-97.GIF
<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-frt/12-D-97.GIF>

The drawing is not the best but does show the lettering sizes I've been looking for. Does anyone
know Larry and how to
contact him to see if he has a cleaner copy?

Thanks,

Richard Wilkens




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Re: Sunshine Kits from Reuben F

Jim Hayes
 

Rueben, I have scanned the instructions for about 40 kits and have many more
I haven't scanned yet but will if they're on your list. The PDF files run
from about 2 - 5GB each. When you send the list, let me know if you want
them emailed or snail mailed. It sounds like you may need the PDSs too to
help sort/match some of your stuff. Between Dennis Williams and me, I think
we can take care of most of your needs.

Jim

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:53 PM, reubeft <reubeft@yahoo.com> wrote:



Thanks, will post my list soon. I put the kits in plastic bags and have
been dividing them individually. At first just lumped them together. Didn't
realize what I had.
Reuben Feuge
Poplarville, MS



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Appreciation Lunch

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Hi, Al,
Prototype Rails wants to show its appreciation to the registration team by buying it lunch. If I get over the cold...sure couldn't be a Hot...which I acquired during the meet, we'll do it this coming Saturday if you registration guys are available. We'll use Chilies as usual. If we can't get everyone together, we'll try another Sat. Do NOT go to Chilies on the 16th unless you hear from me again.

Mike Brock


Sunshine Kits from Reuben F

reubeft
 

Thanks, will post my list soon. I put the kits in plastic bags and have been dividing them individually. At first just lumped them together. Didn't realize what I had.
Reuben Feuge
Poplarville, MS


Re: PAGING LARRY OSTRESH

Wendye Ware
 

Hi Allen

What's up?

Larry

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:39 PM, RAILDATA <raildata@yahoo.com> wrote:



Larry Ostresh,

Would you please contact me off list?

Thanks,

Allen Stanley
Greer SC
raildata@yahoo.com <raildata%40yahoo.com>



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PAGING LARRY OSTRESH

ALLEN STANLEY
 

Larry Ostresh,

Would you please contact me off list?

Thanks,

Allen Stanley
Greer SC
raildata@yahoo.com


Re: Cocoa Beach 2010

jerryglow2
 

I think previous years' schedules were done (or made available) in Excel which was easier to strip the colors. I have made it a habbit of doing so and highlighting the clinics I plan to attend. Also (for me at least) last minute changes are easier.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnnrr" <lnnrr@...> wrote:

Jeff, I too would join the chorus of appreciation for another great
Prototype Rails at Cocoa Beach. Thank you.
Let me add that the 3X5 clinic schedule is certainly do-able if
a supply of microfisch readers is available. Seriously, my problem
with the schedule was it being a black and white copy of a color
coded original. The shading obscured the text in many areas.
But this minor thing did not spoil my enjoyment of sharing and
fellowship. Thanks again to Jeff, Mike, Marty, et al.
(Who got all the warm cookies this year? Not me!)
Chuck Peck

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@> wrote:

Prototype Rails 2010 was a great place to enjoy frozen orange juice - straight from the tree!

Weather aside, I think PR'2010 went pretty well. There were a few hiccups, most notably that the Horizons room was bitterly cold. That's because the space heaters kept tripping the circuit breaker, so we had to unplug them. We also learned that we should reduce the size of the clinic schedule so that it can be printed on a 3x5" card. (Just kidding; next year they'll be printed with a larger font so that they are more legible).


Re: Cocoa Beach 2010

lnnrr <lnnrr@...>
 

Jeff, I too would join the chorus of appreciation for another great
Prototype Rails at Cocoa Beach. Thank you.
Let me add that the 3X5 clinic schedule is certainly do-able if
a supply of microfisch readers is available. Seriously, my problem
with the schedule was it being a black and white copy of a color
coded original. The shading obscured the text in many areas.
But this minor thing did not spoil my enjoyment of sharing and
fellowship. Thanks again to Jeff, Mike, Marty, et al.
(Who got all the warm cookies this year? Not me!)
Chuck Peck

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:

Prototype Rails 2010 was a great place to enjoy frozen orange juice - straight from the tree!

Weather aside, I think PR'2010 went pretty well. There were a few hiccups, most notably that the Horizons room was bitterly cold. That's because the space heaters kept tripping the circuit breaker, so we had to unplug them. We also learned that we should reduce the size of the clinic schedule so that it can be printed on a 3x5" card. (Just kidding; next year they'll be printed with a larger font so that they are more legible).


Re: DS/SS split 1925 to 1950: U.S. Summary - help needed

Wendye Ware
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Shatford" <epshat@...> wrote:

Dear Larry,
The T&P 40100-43008 cars are double sheathed. There is a partial photo of T&P 41050 in the Louisiana Digital Library being loaded at the Louisiana Celotex Company in Marrero, Louisiana. The picture is dated March 22, 1939. It must have been it's last load as none of the series are listed in the January 1940 ORER. The built date is not visible in the photo.
Respectfully,
Eric P. (Rick) Shatford
Fort Worth, TX
Thank you very much, Rick. Thanks also for making me aware of the Louisiana Digital Libray - I had not seen that repository before. They have a great collection of very high resolution photos of RR subjects!

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: GARX 61916 and 67378 Lessees

finkfam98055
 

Thanks for your insight Richard and Tony. For the GARX 61916, I had glanced at the Jan. 1949 ORER that listed a GARX series from 10000 to 64999, but I should have been suspicious of such a broad range, plus there is no entry for the number of cars. I see now that the Apr. 1942 ORER breaks that broad range into smaller chunks and the 61916 number falls in one of the gaps. I can't imagine a different interpretation of the conductor's handwriting, but the correct number may have been 67916 as you suggested which would put it in the 67750-67999 range of the Rock Island cars that I understand would have still carried that herald in 1947. That range is also for RS and not RSM (meat) reefers which makes sense. You confirmed for me that it seems unlikely that GARX 67378 would have stenciling for any lessee in 1947 since it's an RS and not RSM reefer. Is it likely that it would have "Ventilated Refrigerator" stenciling like the Rock Island cars since the car numbers are within a few hundred of each other?

Thanks again,
Larry

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
At that time, the only GARX cars which carried stenciling for
shippers would have been RSM cars in assigned service on a long term
lease basis to meat packers. Those cars would certainly not have
been used for pear loading. I think you can safely assume that the
cars in question carried only reporting marks, numbers, and data.
Richard is certainly right that produce cars and meat cars were
not interchangeable, as they were differently equipped and there were
cleaning issues with meat cars in other service. But do we know for
sure that in 1947 the GARX fleet of RS cars was no longer leased to
any railroads?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Early CB&Q hopper doors

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

I'm trying to identify the discharge doors fitted to CB&Q hoppers built between 1926 and 1929. The first group of cars, numbered 190000-190499, was built by AC&F with the subsequent cars (190500-191749) being built at Galesburg as copies. Most later hoppers had Enterprise doors but I have been unable to identify the early ones. Any assistance would be gratefully received.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


Re: DL&W Boxcar Paint and praise

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Paul Tupaczewski, one of the conspirators on this car, believes that the "match" is Scalecoat II
Boxcar Red,

SGL


----------------------------
Having bought one of the 1950-built cars, I can testify that
it's a really nice product. The prototype was Magor-built if I recall,
thus the need for all the "mixed" parts. I'd say "good job, ELHS."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history
-----------------------------------

I gotta say that the above really warms the heart of this Lackawanna lover since we all know that
Tony can be as critical
as he is knowledgeable. I respect those qualities. The ELHS could use Tony's quote as a pop-out in
an ad. On behalf of
everyone involved in this project, including Schuyler, I say thanks, Tony. This was a committee
effort; Schuyler can run
down the names and forward the praise.

The car is a good offering and something in which even I take some pride (I can be critical, too).
It wasn't an easy
project as there were some issues along the way on both sides of the check-writing. I joined the
project late, and shared
the lessons learned from the efforts of other groups. There are plenty of options for superdetail,
but for out of the box
the details are correct.

As for the color, I don't know what paint IM used though I did ask along the way and I may have
forgotten. When the
first samples arrived, the IM color in sunlight was so very close to the actual colors -- always
stick to standard mixes if
possible. In flourescent light the difference was all but unoticeable. Critical to the look of
these cars is the opaque white
lettering, which the models have. The artwork and typefaces on these cars were unique. The
original color was Glidden
No.204 standard brown that had a maroon-ish quality in certain types of light. The IM color has
the right look, and I
suggested that future ELHS projects with IM use that same paint. Since these cars used a
combination of ends, sides,
roof and doors that that appeared only on a 250-car class, I'm hoping the ELHS later works with IM
to produce the
standard 1937 car that represents a class of cars numbering more than 1500. The newer 1955
Billboard paint scheme was
applied to just a few of the ELHS cars, and the numbers chosen for the models were chosen from the
very few photos of
cars so painted in service. Interestingly, these later 1950s repaints were not done at DL&W's own
Keyser Valley Shops,
but by carbuilders Magor or ACF, scalemarks C for Clifton or B or Berwick, respectively. There
were subtle variations
in the billboard placement and artwork that varied between home-shop and factory repaints, era and
boxcar class, and
these cars have it correct on both models. These are the first truly accurate renditions of this
billboard on a model.

Nice kit. Now, does anyone know how to get the numbers off of these cars without damaging the
finish? The lettering is
so opaque that I'm afraid to try.

Mike Del Vecchio
Lackawanna-land, NJ










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Re: DL&W Boxcar Paint and praise

pennsylvania1954
 

Mike—Thanks for the info. Hoping to get lucky--real lucky--and walk away with a color sample, I went to my local Home Depot to explore their Glidden paints. The helpful paint lady provided me with a Glidden book which they call the Master Palette; 1 inch squares on page after page showing all their colors. Although I think I identified where "204" could be found in the code, I could not find a paint with that number. However, I found that nearby numbers (193, 210, etc.) were in fact shades of brown. "204" must have been dropped or changed somewhere in the last 50 years.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Cocoa Beach 2011...Something new...Show N' Tell Video

Jared Harper
 

Mike,
Obviously you did not keep Jeff busy enough. I am not sure you should triple his pay after all.
Jared Harper
Athens, gA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Jeff Aley notes that he attended 10 clinics at Cocoa Beach. Ten!? I attended
3 in addition to giving 2. How did Jeff manage to see 10? Sounds like he had
more free time than I thought. Hmmm.


Re: Cocoa Beach 2010

Jared Harper
 

Jeff,
You have to remember that a large portion of the attendees are geezers even if you are not.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:
We also learned that we should reduce the size of the clinic schedule so that it can be printed on a 3x5" card. (Just kidding; next year they'll be printed with a larger font so that they are more legible).


Re: Cocoa Beach 2010

Jared Harper
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:
We also learned that we should reduce the size of the clinic schedule so that it can be printed on a 3x5" card. (Just kidding; next year they'll be printed with a larger font so that they are more legible).

I managed to attend a few clinics, and here are my comments, in chronological order:

Mike Brock: Scratchbuilding a Steel Water Tank with Archer Rivets. Mike showed how Archer rivets are now the "way to go" when it comes to adding rivet details. He also gave some good tips on working with them (e.g. don't apply them over a black surface - you won't be able to see them!).

Bill Darnaby: Easy Scenery Techniques. Bill makes everything look so easy. He also emphasized state-of-the-art techniques like photo backdrops, and the use of the Noch GrasMaster for grasses. I will definitely put these techniques to use - first on somebody else's layout! (Watch out, Denny!!)

Mark Amfahr: An Analysis of Steam Era Operations (UP WY 1941). This was a fascinating look at how the Union Pacific ACTUALLY moved trains in 1941. The way they dealt with motive power, the way they (didn't) block the trains, and the types of reefer icing service were all very interesting to me and will have a direct effect on how my friends and I operate our layouts.

Jared Harper: Modeling Small Midwestern Grain Elevators. Jared showed a lot of photos of elevators, highlighting just how unique they are. He then showed how he modeled two of the elevators on his AT&SF Alma Branch.

Jon Cagle: Working with Resin Kits and Parts. I didn't actually get to attend this one, but I wanted to point out that this was the first time we used a video camera to show a closeup of the modeling techniques and broadcast it onto the "big screen" so that folks in the back could see what was going on. I think the technology was a big success (and I heard that the clinic was a big success, too).

Doug Harding: Livestock Shipping Facilities in the Corn Belt. This was an updated version of Doug's clinic, and contains a lot of great info for those of us who are modeling the midwest.

Mark Vaughan: Agricultural Processing and RR Traffic. Mark showed how corn, wheat, and soybeans are processed, and the associated railroad traffic for each one. I learned that the Forbes Brothers Mill in Topeka must have been a corn "dry mill" and would have received an occasional tank car of sulfuric acid (about 3% of the inbound; the other 97% is corn), and shipped about 3% as corn oil (the rest being corn of various grinds.)

Tony Koester: TT&TO Operation and Realistic Waybills. Tony gave a good overview of TT&TO. Most interesting was his description of the jobs on his model RR. The last third of the presentation was on a more prototypical type of waybill that he and Ted Pamprin developed.

Tony Thompson: Improved Prototype Waybill Operation. Tony Thompson continued the waybill theme and described how he developed his condensed version of a prototype waybill. He also showed how he generates traffic (i.e. how he knows how many waybills he needs) for his layout.

Mark Amfahr: C&NW Dispatcher's Office in Iowa, 1980. Mark's presentation was mostly about the work environment and the job of dispatching. He showed a lot of photos of the DS's offices and showed the REAL work these men did every day. It's not the sanitized stuff I've seen on model railroads. He even had audio recordings of Dispatchers dictating orders - it was rapid-fire work!

Mike Rose: Grainzilla - the Planning, Building, and Completion of a Large Industry. Mike built an incredible grain elevator complex, and he showed us how he did it. It was a combination of kitbashing and scratchbuilding, and the results are awesome!

Discussion: Shake-n-Take Show-n-Tell. Several of us sat around and compared notes on how we built the 2009 Shake-n-take model (a UP S-40-10 stock car).

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Brock
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 3:00 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Cocoa Beach 2010



Tony Thompson writes:

I note from the Weather Service that it'll be 75 degrees this
weekend in Cocoa. Did you book the weather for the wrong weekend, Mike?
I have reviewed my contract with the Weather Bureau and find that they asked for my place of birth. It turns out that they use that place to direct the weather to. And, as it turns out, I am...prepare for this...an Okie from Muskogee [ Oklahoma]...so we got their normal weather for this time of yr. I have no idea where ours went...perhaps to Sydney, Aus.

Actually, I don't know why people are complaining...although I will admit that wearing 3 shirts and my "Wyoming Coat" in the unheated areas was a bit annoying....couldn't figure out which of the 12 pockets I had stuff in. Anyway, I told Jeff Aley that since he was having to work 6 simultaneous clinics this yr [ increase his salary? Why? ] and because...no, better term is...since...his wife Connie was with him I supplied them witrh an ocean view room. I further noted...preimarily to watch the Tsunami when it rushes in. I now see that a large earthquake [ 7.5 ] has struck Haiti and a Tsunami warning for the Carribean has been issued. Presumably the ice flow off our coast and associated ice burgs will reduce the effects up here but the timing is a bit unrerving.

Mike Brock






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