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Re: Another boxcar question (D&TS)

Rich C
 

Sorry Frank, no photo but some information.
 
 
Series: 3000-3049
Built: 1949
Length: 40'
Height: 10 ft. 6 in.
Ends: 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught ends with the rolling pin taper
Sides: 10 panel riveted
Doors: 7 foot Youngstown, with side reinforcements
Roof: Rectangular panel
 
 Further reading and info:
 
There is a Bob's Photos photo of D&TSL car no. 3019, c. '65. It had 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught ends with the rolling pin taper, I think a rectangular panel roof, and a 6 or 7 foot wide Youngstown door with wide recessed seams. The car had 10 panel riveted sides, with a side sill reinforcement under the door (probably a later addition). The car was an orange-yellow with red lettering, and possibly a galvanized roof. Over the reporting marks was "Expressway For Industry" slogan.

In Classic Freight Cars, Vol. I, there was a James Marcus c. '82 photo of car no. 3010. This car, at this point, had been rebuilt with roof hatches to carry loose granulars, classified LC. In 1958, a total of 11 cars had been so converted (nos. 3005, 3008, 3010, 3012, 3023, 3027, 3045-3049).

Rich Christie

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Frank Valoczy <destron@...> wrote:


From: Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Another boxcar question (D&TS)
To: stmfc@...
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 9:06 PM


 




Just one more question for the time being...

...anyone know where I might find information or pictures of the D&TS
3000-3049 series of boxcars? All I've managed to find so far is a picture
of an N scale model.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC











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A Data Lettering Question

Eric Hansmann
 

I have lettering conundrum that is stalling progress on a few recent car shop builds. I have settled on modeling late 1926. Rolling stock, locos and other modeling elements will be built to reflect a November 1926 timeframe. In 1926, the ARA approved new recommendations for car data lettering that would take effect in 1927. I made a PDF of the 1920-1926 lettering guide and the 1927 lettering guide. The 2.2 MB file can be accessed here so you may understand the differences:
http://www.hansmanns.org/ARA_lettering_guidelines_1920_+_1927.pdf

I know many Westerfield decals for freight cars of that era have the proper detail, but that may be the only vendor with correct-for-1926 decals. Has anyone else faced this difficulty when modeling the 1920-1927 period?

I have found Rail Graphics has generic data sets available. One for 1900-1920s:
http://www.railgraphicsdecals.com/h107.jpg

And one for 1920-1940s:
http://www.railgraphicsdecals.com/h108.jpg

Many box cars, gondolas and hoppers of 1926 were of different height and length combinations. Replacing individual dimensions on many lines will be necessary to accuratly letter a variety of freight cars. Has anyone discovered an easier solution? As an example, F&C recently released the ARA 1923 single sheathed box car, which the L&N had two thousand of by late 1926. The provided decals are for a later period. What would be the fix to do correct lettering for 1926?

Is there a need for a new decal product to make this easier for modelers of the 1920s? Images of various common cars can be collected then extract and clean up the data to make artwork for new decal sets. A few different box car data sets could fit onto one sheet. It may encourage easier prototype modeling of the 1920s era and into the 1930s as some freight cars wore the older data style for many years.

I have posted this to other YahooGroups focussed on the decades before WWII, but received only one suggestion. Any thoughts or suggestions from the STMFC bunch?

Eric


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Starting over in a new home:
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Another boxcar question (D&TS)

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Just one more question for the time being...

...anyone know where I might find information or pictures of the D&TS
3000-3049 series of boxcars? All I've managed to find so far is a picture
of an N scale model.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: CNW 1946 GATC boxcar help

Tim Meyer
 

Tim,
From color matching I did 20 years ago, lot 3255 matched a mix of 3
parts Scalecoat #2 and 1 part Scalecoat #13. In earlier discussion with
Jerry Glow, I messed up and specified a code that I assigned for one of
the paint mixes (S11) instead of providing the actual formula. Sorry
for the confusion, so this will hopefully clear up the Scalecoat #11
that I erroneously specified to Jerry. In general terms, all of the box
car paint samples for CNW from 1943 to 1948 were oxide in color,
however, there was some variability in the shades. Some matched
Scalecoat paint mixes, some matched Accupaint colors, and some matched
Floquil mixes.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Thanks for the help. The 1946 GATC cars should use the same color.

Tim


Re: Freight Transportation Books - Free for the cost of shipping

Jay Styron
 

These might fit well in the collection of the San Diego Model Railroad Museum Library, and they would be available to researchers. How much to ship?
-Jay Styron

--- In STMFC@..., "proto48er" <atkott@...> wrote:

Guys -

I have been cleaning out the bookshelves to make room for the many great new freight car books that have been published lately (thanks to Thompson, Hendrickson, Karig, et al.)

I have 45 pounds of freight transportation books and publications that I will send FREE to anyone who wants them, if they will just pay for the shipping!

A 16 inch-high stack of 15 hardback books were from the collection of Edwin A. Starr, a professor of transportation at Texas Christian University in Ft Worth, Texas. The titles include books on ICC Trafic Management, Transportation Law, ICC Traffic Law, 1961 ICC Annual Reports, and a book, Interpretation of Freight Tariffs which was authored by Mr. Starr himself, and signed by his widow.

The remaining soft-bound volumes are freight tariffs from the southwest area and a volume entitled Principles of Land Transportation. This soft-bound stack is 14 inches high!

The books are mostly from the 1950's up to 1961. The freight tariffs range into the 1970's.

If anyone here is crazy enough to want to understand freight routing, tariffs, and the workings of the ICC, this pile will keep you "off the street" for a while!

PM me. I just HATE to throw arything away!

A.T. Kott


Freight Transportation Books - Free for the cost of shipping

proto48er
 

Guys -

I have been cleaning out the bookshelves to make room for the many great new freight car books that have been published lately (thanks to Thompson, Hendrickson, Karig, et al.)

I have 45 pounds of freight transportation books and publications that I will send FREE to anyone who wants them, if they will just pay for the shipping!

A 16 inch-high stack of 15 hardback books were from the collection of Edwin A. Starr, a professor of transportation at Texas Christian University in Ft Worth, Texas. The titles include books on ICC Trafic Management, Transportation Law, ICC Traffic Law, 1961 ICC Annual Reports, and a book, Interpretation of Freight Tariffs which was authored by Mr. Starr himself, and signed by his widow.

The remaining soft-bound volumes are freight tariffs from the southwest area and a volume entitled Principles of Land Transportation. This soft-bound stack is 14 inches high!

The books are mostly from the 1950's up to 1961. The freight tariffs range into the 1970's.

If anyone here is crazy enough to want to understand freight routing, tariffs, and the workings of the ICC, this pile will keep you "off the street" for a while!

PM me. I just HATE to throw arything away!

A.T. Kott


Re: D&M and LS&I boxcar questions

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Thanks much for the answers, Tim! I'd be grateful if you'd send me that
colour shot.

I have a couple of photos of the grey livery; I can't quite make out the
reweigh dates but they seem to be 50-something.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Frank

1. All of them have standard rectangular panel roofs.

2A. The earliest pictures I have of these cars in gray is 1962 but
I think they were first painted that way in the 1950's.

2B. The 2800-2999 were delivered in 1947, in plain lettering style
with freight car red paint. I have a 1956 color shot of such
a car if you need it.

Yes, the large D&M lettering appeared in the 1960's.

Tim O'Connor


I'd have a couple of quick questions...

1. What roofs did Detroit & Mackinac 2800-3099 and Lake Superior &
Ishpeming 2201-2225 srs boxcars have?

2. Regarding the D&M cars: I've seen a number of photos, in some of which
the cars are in a grey (white? silver?) with black lettering, and some
which have a boxcar red; judging from the quite large "D&M" on the red
car, I'm assuming it's a later scheme than the grey/black one. What I'd
ask has two parts: A, when was the grey/black scheme first introduced? B,
what sort of livery were these cars most commonly found in in 1947?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


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Re: D&M and LS&I boxcar questions

John Kellett
 

Tim,

John Kellett from Saginaw, MI.  Of all things I have been trying to get ahold of the D&M Historical society, but their email is defunct.

If you mind, could you email me a picture of the cars?  I have seen the 40' boxcar with the white over red with the large letters DM, but was stumped as to the earlier boxcars.

Thank you very much, I appreciate the help.

John Kellett
Saginaw, MI




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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tue, January 26, 2010 2:46:15 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] D&M and LS&I boxcar questions

 
Frank

1. All of them have standard rectangular panel roofs.

2A. The earliest pictures I have of these cars in gray is 1962 but
I think they were first painted that way in the 1950's.

2B. The 2800-2999 were delivered in 1947, in plain lettering style
with freight car red paint. I have a 1956 color shot of such
a car if you need it.

Yes, the large D&M lettering appeared in the 1960's.

Tim O'Connor

I'd have a couple of quick questions...

1. What roofs did Detroit & Mackinac 2800-3099 and Lake Superior &
Ishpeming 2201-2225 srs boxcars have?

2. Regarding the D&M cars: I've seen a number of photos, in some of which
the cars are in a grey (white? silver?) with black lettering, and some
which have a boxcar red; judging from the quite large "D&M" on the red
car, I'm assuming it's a later scheme than the grey/black one. What I'd
ask has two parts: A, when was the grey/black scheme first introduced? B,
what sort of livery were these cars most commonly found in in 1947?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC






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Re: D&M and LS&I boxcar questions

Tim O'Connor
 

Frank

1. All of them have standard rectangular panel roofs.

2A. The earliest pictures I have of these cars in gray is 1962 but
I think they were first painted that way in the 1950's.

2B. The 2800-2999 were delivered in 1947, in plain lettering style
with freight car red paint. I have a 1956 color shot of such
a car if you need it.

Yes, the large D&M lettering appeared in the 1960's.

Tim O'Connor

I'd have a couple of quick questions...

1. What roofs did Detroit & Mackinac 2800-3099 and Lake Superior &
Ishpeming 2201-2225 srs boxcars have?

2. Regarding the D&M cars: I've seen a number of photos, in some of which
the cars are in a grey (white? silver?) with black lettering, and some
which have a boxcar red; judging from the quite large "D&M" on the red
car, I'm assuming it's a later scheme than the grey/black one. What I'd
ask has two parts: A, when was the grey/black scheme first introduced? B,
what sort of livery were these cars most commonly found in in 1947?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


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Jim Barnes
 

Hey Buddy,
Nice to be back home and I know only too well about not gettin restfull sleep in the hospital.  Thanks for keeping me informed. 
 
I recieved the infor for the upcomming Denver convention and there was no mention of visiting Caboose Hobbies.  Do you know why this is?

Its good to be home.  Write when you get a chance.   This is being sent from our Library and hopefully we will be back online in a day or two.
 
Take care,
Jim


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Subject: [STMFC]
To: "STMFC List" <stmfc@...>
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 9:38 AM


 




I talked to Martin Lofton yesterday and he was relieced from the hospital and is resting at home. He said he didn't get much sleep there. He sounds great and is feeling good and is talking about going to Timonium(forgive the spelling) in a couple of weeks.

Charlie Slater

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Re: CNW 1946 GATC boxcar help

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jan 26, 2010, at 6:22 AM, fltenwheeler wrote:

Hi Ed

I found this information from 1948 ACF lot 3255.

CNW 84300 86298 even numbers painted as follows. 550 cars painted
with PPG A-3, 150 cars Glidden C-3, 300 cars DuPont B-3.

Do you have any color recommendations for them?

Thanks
Tim
Tim,
From color matching I did 20 years ago, lot 3255 matched a mix of 3
parts Scalecoat #2 and 1 part Scalecoat #13. In earlier discussion with
Jerry Glow, I messed up and specified a code that I assigned for one of
the paint mixes (S11) instead of providing the actual formula. Sorry
for the confusion, so this will hopefully clear up the Scalecoat #11
that I erroneously specified to Jerry. In general terms, all of the box
car paint samples for CNW from 1943 to 1948 were oxide in color,
however, there was some variability in the shades. Some matched
Scalecoat paint mixes, some matched Accupaint colors, and some matched
Floquil mixes.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: CNW 1946 GATC boxcar help

Tim Meyer
 

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On Jan 25, 2010, at 6:36 PM, fltenwheeler wrote:

I am looking for picture and information on CNW boxcar series 142100
to 143698 even numbers built by GATC in 1946 for a modeling project.

When did the CNW from brownish to reddish paint?
Tim,
I don't know precisely when the change took place, but CNW box cars
built by AC&F in 1942 had sides & ends painted Wardway or Glidden
Synthetic Paint and roofs painted Sherwin-Williams Reddish Brown (no
paint sample available).

The emergency box cars built in 1943 were CNW Freight Car Paint with a
paint sample matching Accupaint #12 Oxide Brown (an oxide shade). Note
the color used by InterMountain for these cars was much too dark and
brown.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Hi Ed

I found this information from 1948 ACF lot 3255.

CNW 84300 – 86298 even numbers painted as follows. 550 cars painted with PPG A-3, 150 cars Glidden C-3, 300 cars DuPont B-3.

Do you have any color recommendations for them?

Thanks

Tim


D&M and LS&I boxcar questions

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

I'd have a couple of quick questions...

1. What roofs did Detroit & Mackinac 2800-3099 and Lake Superior &
Ishpeming 2201-2225 srs boxcars have?

2. Regarding the D&M cars: I've seen a number of photos, in some of which
the cars are in a grey (white? silver?) with black lettering, and some
which have a boxcar red; judging from the quite large "D&M" on the red
car, I'm assuming it's a later scheme than the grey/black one. What I'd
ask has two parts: A, when was the grey/black scheme first introduced? B,
what sort of livery were these cars most commonly found in in 1947?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: FGE 35204

Bruce Smith
 

Bill, Shay,

Even though it was designed for the IM car, I highly recommend Ted's
(Speedwitch) FGE set. It can be manipulated to make other number sets
and while the Sunshine lettering is OK, next to the Speedwitch set there
is really no comparison. Hopefully, Ted will be coming out with a full
FGE set in the future.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

"lnbill" <fgexbill@...> 01/25/10 8:39 PM >>>
The decals come with the aforementioned Sunshine Models kit.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "shaystark" <SHAYS@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill and Bruce,

I thought the lack of a side sill on the prototype car was interesting
as the few pictures of the cars I had seen all had side sills or were
truss rod cars. I saw the Kahns clinic in one of the online magazines
and printed it out as I liked some of the ideas that were presented
there. I would be interested in seeing the modification for the 12-1"
car as this could be a fun project. I wonder who makes an accurate set
of decals?

Thanks

Shay Stark



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Re: CNW 1946 GATC boxcar help

Tim O'Connor
 

The only picture I've noticed was in Railmodel Journal, October 1999,
C&NW #143380. The article is from Ed Hawkins and includes appliances
information (e.g. type of running boards).

Tim O'Connor

<floridatenwheeler@...> wrote:

I am looking for picture and information on CNW boxcar series 142100 to 143698 even numbers built by GATC in 1946 for a modeling project.
When did the CNW from brownish to reddish paint?
Thanks
Tim


Re: tank car retainer valve placement

Bruce
 

Thanks Richard,
Train Shed Cyclopedia #12 shows type 27 cars with the valve as you indicated. So I guess I will fabricate a mounting bracket and mount the valve on the diagonal frame member.
Bruce Hayes

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:56 AM, Bruce wrote:

I am new to the group and this is my first post.

Does anyone know where AC&F placed the retainer valve on the type
11 tank car with K brakes? I can't find any photos or drawings that
give me a clue. I am pretty sure it is somewhere near the brake
staff, but that is as far as I have gotten. I am building a F&C
tank car kit and this detail has me stumped.
Bruce, this seems like a simple question, but it's not. Most general
arrangement drawings don't show details of the brake equipment, and
in photographs the retainer valves on pre-WW-II AC&F cars are almost
invariably hidden behind the wood running boards. The same issue
came up when Life-Like was developing their models of the AC&F Type
21 tank cars and I was finally able to find a high-angle end photo of
a Type 21 which showed the retainer valve mounted just behind the
running boards on a bracket attached to the diagonal frame member
which extended out to the left corner of the underframe at the B
end. That's not a definitive answer to where it was located on the
Type 11 and Type 17 underframes, of course. However, it's a logical
place to put it, where it's close to the hand brake and accessible to
train crews by reaching over the running boards at either the side or
the B end of the car, and I think it is reasonable to assume that it
was in the same location on AC&F cars built prior to the advent of
the Type 21 design.

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: CNW 1946 GATC boxcar help

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jan 25, 2010, at 6:36 PM, fltenwheeler wrote:

I am looking for picture and information on CNW boxcar series 142100
to 143698 even numbers built by GATC in 1946 for a modeling project.

When did the CNW from brownish to reddish paint?
Tim,
I don't know precisely when the change took place, but CNW box cars
built by AC&F in 1942 had sides & ends painted Wardway or Glidden
Synthetic Paint and roofs painted Sherwin-Williams Reddish Brown (no
paint sample available).

The emergency box cars built in 1943 were CNW Freight Car Paint with a
paint sample matching Accupaint #12 Oxide Brown (an oxide shade). Note
the color used by InterMountain for these cars was much too dark and
brown.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Reefers with "RD" reporting mark!?

Bill Welch
 

Mystery (to me) solved!

Thanks Richard and Brian

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Jan 25, 2010, at 2:44 PM, lnbill wrote:

I guess this maybe plausible but there are entrees for SFRD. I have
not had time to check the car numbers however.

The RD #'s are 14425, 3535, 8681, 14296, 9459, 31979, 7549. 10385,
31100, 15211

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Brian Carlson <prrk41361@> wrote:

Bill could RD be shorthand for SFRD? Maybe some car numbers match up?
Brian is correct. "RD" was a very common abbreviation in conductor's
train books, interchange records, and other documents for "SFRD," and
the numbers above are all valid SFRD numbers.

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: FGE 35204

Bill Welch
 

The decals come with the aforementioned Sunshine Models kit.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "shaystark" <SHAYS@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill and Bruce,

I thought the lack of a side sill on the prototype car was interesting as the few pictures of the cars I had seen all had side sills or were truss rod cars. I saw the Kahns clinic in one of the online magazines and printed it out as I liked some of the ideas that were presented there. I would be interested in seeing the modification for the 12-1" car as this could be a fun project. I wonder who makes an accurate set of decals?

Thanks

Shay Stark


Re: Looking for Edward Kaminski and John White

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

I have had good success writing to their publishers and asking them to forward a stamped envelope with a letter. (Learned this in elementary school, now that I think of it . . .) Also works with email.

KL

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From: al.kresse
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:55 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Looking for Edward Kaminski and John White



I would like to contact Edward S. Kaminski (ACF book author) and John White (Am Rr Freight Cars authors). I believe John White is down at U of Miami, Oxford, Ohio? E-mail, tele, or old postal addresses are OK.

Thanks,

Al Kresse

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