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Re: Models of TOFC

Tim O'Connor
 

There has been a fair number of TOFC modeling articles over the
last 30 or years. (Yep, it's been 30 years since Mainline Modeler
first appeared!)

Mont has been a prolific writer of course -- see Mainline Modeler,
January 1986 where he describes modeling 5 different Monon trailers.
Also Mainline Modeler, October 1996 for another TOFC article from
Mont.

TOFC generates little interest on STMFC since so many people are
not interested in anything so "modern". It's much more lively over
on the BBFCL when it comes to piggybacks and autoracks... :-)

Tim O'Connor

At 2/8/2010 09:28 PM Monday, you wrote:
The March 2010 Issue #31 of "Model Freightways" which deals with
modeling trucks and trailers has an article by Mont Switzer on
Trailers on Flat Cars and other truck models.

A link to MF can be found at: www.ppw-aline.com/modelfreightways.htm

I highly recommend this little magazine for transition era modelers
wanting to know what trucks they need to be loading into and
unloading from their boxcars, flats, gons, reefers, etc. Great fun!

Bill Welch


Re: Models of TOFC

Bill Welch
 

I would ask the publisher thru the link.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:



Bill Welch wrote:
"The March 2010 Issue #31 of "Model Freightways" which deals with
modeling trucks and trailers has an article by Mont Switzer on
Trailers on Flat Cars and other truck models.

A link to MF can be found at: http://www.ppw-aline.com/modelfreightways.htm "

Bill, thanks for the tip! Anyone know how to get single issues and back issues?


Ben Hom


Re: Models of TOFC

Bill Welch
 

Trucks were not carried in reefers but trucks unloaded into reefers and were loaded from reefers. Oh you were making a joke Scott.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "scottpitzer2002" <scottp459@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@..., Bill Welch <fgexbill@> wrote:

The March 2010 Issue #31 of "Model Freightways".........
.............
for transition era modelers
wanting to know what trucks they need to be loading into and
unloading from their boxcars, flats, gons, reefers, etc.
---------------------------------------------
I didn't know trucks were ever carried in reefers (such narrow doors!) But if college pranksters could put a guy's car on the roof of a house...

Scott Pitzer


Re: Models of TOFC

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bill Welch wrote:
"The March 2010 Issue #31 of "Model Freightways" which deals with
modeling trucks and trailers has an article by Mont Switzer on
Trailers on Flat Cars and other truck models.

A link to MF can be found at: http://www.ppw-aline.com/modelfreightways.htm "

Bill, thanks for the tip! Anyone know how to get single issues and back issues?


Ben Hom


Re: Car Builder's Dictionaries online

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

An excellent find, Ray!

This should be much appreciated north of 49 - Google Books won't allow
non-US IPs to view the books, but this seems fine for me from Canada!

Thanks!

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Ray Breyer wrote:

Good morning all,

I was floating around online while drinking my first morning cup O' Joe
today, and ran across the 1916 CBD online as a free download. The book is
NOT on Google Books, so many people may have missed it:

http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032183216
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So far, this is the newest CBD I've been able to find online.
�
And to make things easy, there are at least six other CBDs�available from
the same gateway source (hosted on Google and other library resources):
�
1879: http://www.archive.org/details/carbuildersdict00assogoog
1881: http://www.archive.org/details/carbuildersdict01forngoog
1888: http://www.archive.org/details/carbuildersdict02forngoog
1895: http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032183513
1909: http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032183190
1913: http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032183208
�
Enjoy the reading material!
�
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL












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Car Builder's Dictionaries online

Ray Breyer
 

Good morning all,

I was floating around online while drinking my first morning cup O' Joe today, and ran across the 1916 CBD online as a free download. The book is NOT on Google Books, so many people may have missed it:

http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032183216
 
So far, this is the newest CBD I've been able to find online.
 
And to make things easy, there are at least six other CBDs available from the same gateway source (hosted on Google and other library resources):
 
1879: http://www.archive.org/details/carbuildersdict00assogoog
1881: http://www.archive.org/details/carbuildersdict01forngoog
1888: http://www.archive.org/details/carbuildersdict02forngoog
1895: http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032183513
1909: http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032183190
1913: http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032183208
 
Enjoy the reading material!
 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: Models of TOFC

Guy Wilber
 

In a message dated 2/9/2010 8:58:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
timboconnor@... writes:


There has been a fair number of TOFC modeling articles over the
last 30 or years. (Yep, it's been 30 years since Mainline Modeler
first appeared!)
Lloyd Keyser's series on the early CNW TOFC flats and trailers is still as
good as it gets.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Models of TOFC

Scott Pitzer
 

--- In STMFC@..., Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

The March 2010 Issue #31 of "Model Freightways".........
.............
for transition era modelers
wanting to know what trucks they need to be loading into and
unloading from their boxcars, flats, gons, reefers, etc.
---------------------------------------------
I didn't know trucks were ever carried in reefers (such narrow doors!) But if college pranksters could put a guy's car on the roof of a house...

Scott Pitzer


Re: Drawing or tracing lettering (was FGEX/WFEX Questions

rwitt_2000
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

We did a custom job here at Accurail a number of years ago that
involved custom drawn lettering in five different sizes, IIRC. The
graphic artist who initially drew the lettering drew one size, then
resized it on a stat camera for all the rest. In the 3" and 4" sizes,
the narrow strokes (this was a serif "Roman" typeface, with two
different stroke widths in each character) simply disappeared. After
obtaining a clear copy of the photo he had worked from, some careful
measurement determined that the proportion between narrow and wide
strokes, and both those dimensions relative to the height of the
letters, differed for each of the five sizes. Once that was sorted out,
the art looked nice, but it took drawings parts of five different
"fonts" to achieve it.

Yes, this is so very true. When Chris Barken made the fonts for the B&O
lettering, he told me he had access to all the stencils for the
different size lettering. Sometimes well meaning people when lettering
restored freight cars take one size stencil say a 3" and enlarge it to
9" without any compensation. Some of us can "see" that it just doesn't
look right and the experience of Dennis helps explain why. Reducing
small lettering for use on models requires additional adjustments for
the lettering to remain legible.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Models of TOFC

Bill Welch
 

The March 2010 Issue #31 of "Model Freightways" which deals with modeling trucks and trailers has an article by Mont Switzer on Trailers on Flat Cars and other truck models.

A link to MF can be found at: www.ppw-aline.com/modelfreightways.htm

I highly recommend this little magazine for transition era modelers wanting to know what trucks they need to be loading into and unloading from their boxcars, flats, gons, reefers, etc. Great fun!

Bill Welch


Re: PRR F34 question

Brian Carlson
 

Frank the F34 deck was steel plate with lots and lots of rivets. There were
3 cars. These cars are covered on pages 61-63 of the PRRT&HS Publication
"Pennsylvania RR Flat Cars, Revenue & Work Equipment, 1881 to 1968."



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Frank Valoczy
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:52 PM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] PRR F34 question






I've found a diagram and some side-view photos (and an almost 3/4 - 5/8?)
of F34 class flats, but nothing to tell me anything about the deck. What
sort of deck did these have, steel or wood?

Frank Valoczy


PRR F34 question

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

I've found a diagram and some side-view photos (and an almost 3/4 - 5/8?)
of F34 class flats, but nothing to tell me anything about the deck. What
sort of deck did these have, steel or wood?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC


Re: Photos of interest

Dick Harley
 

On Fri Feb 5, 2010 Greg Martin posted a link to :

http://www.westernrailimages.com/


This posting was finally brought to my attention and penetrated my
consciousness, and I took a look at this website. Thanks, Greg, for
sharing this site. I am surprised to see that apparently only Tim
O'Connor has responded about it so far. The 500+ UP photos are
certainly of interest to this UP fan - great stuff. Good to know
that Jim Ozment's photos are once again available.

Thanks again,
Dick Harley


Re: Drawing or tracing lettering (was FGEX/WFEX Questions

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:



The actual letters and numbers used to make the stencils are normally drawn on their own drawing sheet(s). The lettering on the lettering sheets have various degrees of fidelity.



Al Kresse
Unfortunately, these are the drawings LEAST likely to have been saved. Lettering diagrams (for placement, not letterforms) at least look like a drawing of a railroad car to the dumpster diving railfans that saved a lot of this stuff. The drawings of the actual letters didn't, and were often passed over.

A nice example of the drawing that details the LETTERS, rather than lettering placement, is presented in Terry Metcalf's Union Pacific Freight Cars 1936-51 on page 29. Of course, this drawing is only specifically applicable to the 3" letters to be used for capacity data; other sizes may have a different ratio of stroke width to character height. Also interesting to note that there is no drawing for the G, J, or S, so if you need these letters, you're SOL, because the railroad didn't bother to create them.

This, and the kerning issue, are what lead people to complain that the Railfonts by Ben Coifmann "aren't right." Well, they're right for something, in some size, but exactly what we'll never know.

We did a custom job here at Accurail a number of years ago that involved custom drawn lettering in five different sizes, IIRC. The graphic artist who initially drew the lettering drew one size, then resized it on a stat camera for all the rest. In the 3" and 4" sizes, the narrow strokes (this was a serif "Roman" typeface, with two different stroke widths in each character) simply disappeared. After obtaining a clear copy of the photo he had worked from, some careful measurement determined that the proportion between narrow and wide strokes, and both those dimensions relative to the height of the letters, differed for each of the five sizes. Once that was sorted out, the art looked nice, but it took drawings parts of five different "fonts" to achieve it.

Dennis

Dennis


Re: Drawing or tracing lettering (was FGEX/WFEX Questions

water.kresse@...
 

The actual letters and numbers used to make the stencils are normally drawn on their own drawing sheet(s).  The lettering on the lettering sheets have various degrees of fidelity.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Denny Anspach" <danspach@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 12:30:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Drawing or tracing lettering (was FGEX/WFEX Questions

I have not been following this thread too closely, but I do know that  
the CSRM Library has a whole research file (publicly available)  
developed for the museum's FGE #35832 repainting in 1980.  I know that  
there exists at least an overall hand-done paint diagram similar to,  
but not the same as that presented by Dennis, but like Dennis' it too  
does not detail lettering styling.  A post to Cara Randall <crandall@...
 >, Librarian might bring further information.

Denny

Denny S.  Anspach MD
Sacramento







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Re: Drawing or tracing lettering (was FGEX/WFEX Questions

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

I have not been following this thread too closely, but I do know that the CSRM Library has a whole research file (publicly available) developed for the museum's FGE #35832 repainting in 1980. I know that there exists at least an overall hand-done paint diagram similar to, but not the same as that presented by Dennis, but like Dennis' it too does not detail lettering styling. A post to Cara Randall <crandall@...
, Librarian might bring further information.
Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Barber S-2A truck

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "brianehni" <behni@...> wrote:

And if you look at this photo, you can see the wheelstops still attached to the rail under the Soo box in the middle of the street.
A buddy was involved in something similar a few years ago, although the rail joints held when the wheel stops caught the car. He said the most interesting thing wasn't the bang when the car hit the wheel stops, but the sound of the slack running out of several hundred feet of jointed rail :-) Obviously in the situation in the photo, the bolts sheared and the car took the last section of rail with it into the street.

Dennis


Re: Barber S-2A truck

brianehni <behni@...>
 

And if you look at this photo, you can see the wheelstops still attached to the rail under the Soo box in the middle of the street.

http://www.westernrailimages.com/Mopac/Mopac-Missouri-Pacific-Railway/7189869_rVm4j#628107397_zNNCR

Brian Ehni

--- In STMFC@..., "pullmanboss" <tgmadden@...> wrote:

The captions on other photos in the sequence say it was a runaway. The CNW boxcar ahead of the SOO car is back on the rails but shows evidence of an extended off-rail journey:

http://www.westernrailimages.com/Mopac/Mopac-Missouri-Pacific-Railway/7189869_rVm4j#628113383_wUjhH

Note the holder for the warning flag in this photo:

http://www.westernrailimages.com/Mopac/Mopac-Missouri-Pacific-Railway/7189869_rVm4j#628119359_33GbN

Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@..., "rockroll50401" <cepropst@> wrote:

That happens in our op sessions all the time. Good thing we're using models with the trucks screwed on. Now if the end of that car said 2-56 pan head.....
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:

From SOO 137096 -- which got pushed out of a spur onto a street...
Note the stencil on the end of the car identifies the truck!

http://www.westernrailimages.com/Mopac/Mopac-Missouri-Pacific-Railway/7189869_rVm4j#628115150_7TBQy

Tim O'Connor


Re: Barber S-2A truck

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

The captions on other photos in the sequence say it was a runaway. The CNW boxcar ahead of the SOO car is back on the rails but shows evidence of an extended off-rail journey:

http://www.westernrailimages.com/Mopac/Mopac-Missouri-Pacific-Railway/7189869_rVm4j#628113383_wUjhH

Note the holder for the warning flag in this photo:

http://www.westernrailimages.com/Mopac/Mopac-Missouri-Pacific-Railway/7189869_rVm4j#628119359_33GbN

Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@..., "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:

That happens in our op sessions all the time. Good thing we're using models with the trucks screwed on. Now if the end of that car said 2-56 pan head.....
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:

From SOO 137096 -- which got pushed out of a spur onto a street...
Note the stencil on the end of the car identifies the truck!

http://www.westernrailimages.com/Mopac/Mopac-Missouri-Pacific-Railway/7189869_rVm4j#628115150_7TBQy

Tim O'Connor


Re: Barber S-2A truck

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

That happens in our op sessions all the time. Good thing we're using models with the trucks screwed on. Now if the end of that car said 2-56 pan head.....
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

From SOO 137096 -- which got pushed out of a spur onto a street...
Note the stencil on the end of the car identifies the truck!

http://www.westernrailimages.com/Mopac/Mopac-Missouri-Pacific-Railway/7189869_rVm4j#628115150_7TBQy

Tim O'Connor

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