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Sunshine GN box car kits, # 18.4, 18.5 availability?

npin53
 

Does anyone know if Sunshine is still selling the GN boxcar kits, # 18.4, and 18.5? I don't get to shows, if ever, and I heard that they are out of production already.

Also, if someone is attending a show in the near future, and Sunshine has a booth, would someone be able to pick up some of Martin's kits for me? I would be forever grateful.


Great Northern Auto Boxcars GN 43900 to 43999

railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
 

Trying to track down photos of GN automobile boxcars in the series GN 43900 to 43999. Particularly in later years after the steel doors were applied. Also the end doors are shown being welded shut sometime between 1948 and 1955. Anyone able to nail down specific dates? Interested in cars 43940 and 43948 that went to Longview Fibre in Longview, WA.

Also does anyone have GN standard lettering drawings from the 1950's?

Thanks,

Richard Wilkens


Re: Disposal of an estate

 

Columbus is close to Dayton. Why not try the folks at The Train Station
in Columbus?

H.T. Guillaume


Re: Mainline Modeler article

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

January 1985, "An Engine in the Park" by Bob Zenk.

Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@..., "lrkdbn" <lrkdbn@...> wrote:

Dear list
I hope Mike will excuse the slightly off topic Q. Mainline Modeler had an article about modeling a SP 0-6-0 displayed in a park setting, using a MDC HO kit. Anyone know the issue date?

Larry King
<lrkdbn@...>


Mainline Modeler article

lrkdbn
 

Dear list
I hope Mike will excuse the slightly off topic Q. Mainline Modeler had an article about modeling a SP 0-6-0 displayed in a park setting, using a MDC HO kit. Anyone know the issue date?

Larry King
<lrkdbn@...>


Re: Northwest Short Line

rgmodels@...
 

NWSL was sold to OSO in Montana a while back. Oso can be reached at

sales@...

eric


Disposal of an estate

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

One of my customers, Pat Finley of Dayton, OH passed away recently. His wife, Shirley, contacted me regarding selling his collection. I passed her request on to the pres. of NMRA who lives in her area but she got no response. Is there anyone in the area that knows of an *honest* dealer who would give her a fair price or is a list member willing to or knows someone who can give her a realistic appraisal? If so, contact me off list (westerfield@...) and I'll pass on her information. - Al Westerfield


Re: Northwest Short Line

Steve Haas
 

http://www.nwsl.com/contact-us

Includes the new number Bill Kelly provided.

Steve Haas
Sammamish, WA


Re: Northwest Short Line

Benjamin Hom
 

Richard Hendrickson asked:
"Does anyone have a current phone number for Northwest Short Line? I
tried the number I have this morning, (206) 932-1087, and got a
recording that it has been disconnected, with no forwarding number."

The NWSL website has (406)-375-7555 listed as a contact number.
http://www.nwsl.com/contact-us


Ben Hom


Re: Northwest Short Line

Bill Kelly
 

Their website lists
Telephone: (406)-375-7555
Try it out.

Later,
Bill Kelly

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Does anyone have a current phone number for Northwest Short Line? I

tried the number I have this morning, (206) 932-1087, and got a
recording that it has been disconnected, with no forwarding number.
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Northwest Short Line

Richard Hendrickson
 

Does anyone have a current phone number for Northwest Short Line? I
tried the number I have this morning, (206) 932-1087, and got a
recording that it has been disconnected, with no forwarding number.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Bowser PRR X31b 61321

tmolsen@...
 

The "Return to Midvale" assignment was for the car to be returned to Midvale Yard on the Chestnut Hill Branch in Philadelphia. On arrival it would be delivered to the Budd Company auto parts stamping plant there. This plant stamped out fenders, doors and other auto parts. Midvale Steel company was not part of the Budd complex, but was a specialty steel plant owned by another entity.

When I was an operator working at Overbrook Block & Interlocking Station, I handled a number of eastbound freight trains (notably FJ-2) that set off empty auto parts cars in the 52nd Street receiving yard that were destined for the Midvale Budd plant. Every night, two "Runners" (one from Margie Street Yard and one from Midvale Yard would bring loaded cars to 44th Street Yard for pickup for westbound PR-3.

As it was noted, by the mid-60s, X31s were no longer used in this service, at least not for Midvale Service. I worked at Overbrook off and on as an extra operator from 1965 to 1968, when I bid the 2nd trick position and worked there until 1972 when I went into management. During my time there all of the cars assigned to auto parts service were 50' double door box cars of PRR, Wabash and several other roads ownership.

After Amtrak became the owner of the Northeast Corridor and Septa owning the Chestnut Hill Branch, most of the local freight traffic disappeared. All freight operation was discontinued between Glenloch (West of Paoli and Philadelphia on the Philadelphia to Harrisburg Main Line. Budd closed their plants in Philadelphia in the mid-80s. Conrail abandoned the Yards at 44th/52nd Street, Midvale and those between west of Frankford Jct. and Zoo approximately the same time as Amtrak did everything they could to discourage the operations.

Best regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

Best regards,


Sunshine website Mini-Kit page updated

Jim Hayes
 

Thanks to Charlie Slater there are instructions for more Mini-Kits
available, and some Loads too.

If you can fill in any of the remaining blanks, Mini-Kits or Loads, please
scan a copy for me.

Upcoming projects for me are a Sunshine models photo gallery and kit
instructions. Sometime this year I hope.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Bowser PRR X31b 61321

FRANK PEACOCK
 

Ben, I forgot about my 10/48 ORER. (data as of 7-31-48) 61321 is not listed as XAP so it was either removed from that service or wrecked by that date. FHP(Frank H. Peacock)

To: STMFC@...
From: b.hom@...
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:14:07 +0000
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Bowser PRR X31b 61321




























Frank Peacock wrote:

"John, PRR 61321 is listed in the 10/47 ORER as an XAP car, 'equipped with racks for stowing automobile parts'. Don't know when it was changed back to XM."



From the data points that we've gathered so far in this thread, sometime between 10/47 and 7/50. So for John's 1952-53 timeframe, we can conclude that the car was converted back to a general service boxcar by then.



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Re: Bowser PRR X31b 61321

Benjamin Hom
 

Frank Peacock wrote:
"John, PRR 61321 is listed in the 10/47 ORER as an XAP car, 'equipped with racks for stowing automobile parts'. Don't know when it was changed back to XM."

From the data points that we've gathered so far in this thread, sometime between 10/47 and 7/50. So for John's 1952-53 timeframe, we can conclude that the car was converted back to a general service boxcar by then.


Ben Hom


Re: Bowser PRR X31b 61321

FRANK PEACOCK
 

John, PRR 61321 is listed in the 10/47 ORER as an XAP car, "equipped with racks for stowing automobile parts". Don't know when it was changed back to XM. FHP (Frank H. Peacock)

To: STMFC@...
From: smithbf@...
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:35:21 -0600
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bowser PRR X31b 61321






























On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:30 PM, john66h wrote:



Here's another one that has been on the shelf for a while...
A Bowser X31b, PRR 61321. According to my notes, 61321 is an XM in
the Jan. 1953 ORER.
On the model, there is the following lettering: OEC Return Empty to
PRR Midvale Philadelphia. Can anyone tell me what this lettering
is for? Some type of assigned service?
If it is for assigned service is it incorrect lettering for an XM
car circa '52-'53?
Thanks,
John Hile


John,



Yes, this lettering denotes assigned service, most likely to Midvale

Steel of Philadelphia. The X31B was a general service car, much like

the X31A, except of course for the flush roof and a few other minor

variations. Since Midvale did make automobile parts, it is possible

that this car is in that service. The XM designation would seem to

indicate that it was not equipped with any specialized racks or

loading systems, although I don't have my ORER handy to check the

notes section to see if it did. In case like this with specific

lettering Bowser often takes the lettering from a photo, so it is

most likely correct.



BTW, if you're interested in improving/correcting the Bowser model,

the PRRPro Yahoo group did the X31s as a project in the not too

distant past and there is plenty of info in the group archives on

these cars.



Regards

Bruce



Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

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Re: Bowser PRR X31b 61321

Benjamin Hom
 

John Hile asked:
"A Bowser X31b, PRR 61321. According to my notes, 61321 is an XM
in the Jan. 1953 ORER.

On the model, there is the following lettering: OEC Return Empty
to PRR Midvale Philadelphia. Can anyone tell me what this
lettering is for? Some type of assigned service?

If it is for assigned service is it incorrect lettering for an XM
car circa '52-'53?"

Bruce Smith replied:
"Yes, this lettering denotes assigned service, most likely to
Midvale Steel of Philadelphia. The X31B was a general service car,
much like the X31A, except of course for the flush roof and a few
other minor variations. Since Midvale did make automobile parts, it
is possible that this car is in that service.

The XM designation would seem to indicate that it was not equipped
with any specialized racks or loading systems, although I don't have
my ORER handy to check the notes section to see if it did."

A check of the January 1945, July 1950, and January 1955 ORERs show
a mix of XM, XML, and XMP in the 61102-62799 car series. However,
61321 is not called out in any of these ORER issues as an XML in
auto parts service or XMP in other assigned service.


Bruce added:
"In case like this with specific lettering Bowser often takes the
lettering from a photo, so it is most likely correct."

True; however, I suspect that Bowser, to make different car numbers
available, pulled car numbers from the 61102-62799 series without
checking the notes section of the ORER for cars assigned to auto
parts service. To be fair, most folks wouldn't notice unless they
went through the notes section of the ORER. John, if this really
bothers you, you can always paint out the "Return When Empty"
lettering after you weather the model to represent a car reassigned
to general service. The number and composition of cars in assigned
service can vary from year to year, and it wasn't unusual for cars
to be bumped from auto parts to general service by removing parts
racks or special handling equipment if they became surplus or, in
the case of the X31 and X32 subclasses, obsolescent through the
1950s.


Ben Hom


Re: Bowser PRR X31b 61321

Bruce Smith
 

On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:30 PM, john66h wrote:

Here's another one that has been on the shelf for a while...

A Bowser X31b, PRR 61321. According to my notes, 61321 is an XM in the Jan. 1953 ORER.

On the model, there is the following lettering: OEC Return Empty to PRR Midvale Philadelphia. Can anyone tell me what this lettering is for? Some type of assigned service?

If it is for assigned service is it incorrect lettering for an XM car circa '52-'53?

Thanks,

John Hile
John,

Yes, this lettering denotes assigned service, most likely to Midvale Steel of Philadelphia. The X31B was a general service car, much like the X31A, except of course for the flush roof and a few other minor variations. Since Midvale did make automobile parts, it is possible that this car is in that service. The XM designation would seem to indicate that it was not equipped with any specialized racks or loading systems, although I don't have my ORER handy to check the notes section to see if it did. In case like this with specific lettering Bowser often takes the lettering from a photo, so it is most likely correct.

BTW, if you're interested in improving/correcting the Bowser model, the PRRPro Yahoo group did the X31s as a project in the not too distant past and there is plenty of info in the group archives on these cars.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: PFE R-40-14 UP Herald

Dick Harley
 

For those considering making an R-40-14 or R-40-20 PFE reefer, the InterMountain R-40-10 kit is a much better starting point than their R-40-23, in my opinion. Unfortunately, InterMountain seems to have a mind all their own when it comes to decorating their products. (How else do you explain an R-40-23 body decorated as an Express BR-40-10, when you also have the R-40-10 body?) Some days they listen to inputs - some days they don't.

The reasons for my choice of the R-40-10 as a starting point are:
1) Door height and location of the door drip guard. The R-40-23 is noticeably higher, especially the drip guard.
2) Underframe - the -10, -14 and -20 were all riveted. The -23 was welded.
3) Grab irons - the R-40-10 already has the bracket grabs, as did the -14 and -20.
4) Car width - the -10, -14 and -20 were all 9'-5". The -23 was 9'-8+"
5) Truck centers - maybe a toss-up here. The -10 was 30'-8-1/2". The -14 and -20 were 30'-11". The -23 was 31'-2-3/4".

Regarding the Champ Decal's UP medallions, the 42" are fairly decent, but the 1946 45" medallion has the wrong style lettering and is the wrong shape. Microscale MC-4021 has the correct UP 42" medallions for the 1936 to 1946 time period - both "Overland" and non-Overland (drawn from the UP drawings). Microscale 87-414 has a pretty good 1946 UP 45" medallion. Whether any of them will cover any factory lettering is problematic, since many factory UP medallions are the wrong size and/or shape. Drawings for all of those medallions exist and can be used by those who care to make correct UP medallions.

With a lot of luck, the Microscale PFE decals will be substantially upgraded this year. (Yeah, I know, you've heard that before.)

I'll defer to Paul Lyons on knowledge gleaned from PFE car cards. I have collected copies of a bunch of them, but have yet to sit down and analyze them.

Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Bowser PRR X31b 61321

John Hile
 

Here's another one that has been on the shelf for a while...

A Bowser X31b, PRR 61321. According to my notes, 61321 is an XM in the Jan. 1953 ORER.

On the model, there is the following lettering: OEC Return Empty to PRR Midvale Philadelphia. Can anyone tell me what this lettering is for? Some type of assigned service?

If it is for assigned service is it incorrect lettering for an XM car circa '52-'53?

Thanks,

John Hile

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