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Excuses for getting more covered (cement) hoppers?

spsalso
 

Kadee (and now IM), on occasion, paints their PS2 covered hoppers in schemes that are far away from my modeling geographical area of interest but yet charm me with their paint and graphics. While I think I can justify running GN and NP versions of these cars, I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for "excusing" the running of such cars lettered for B&M, New Haven, PRR, Santa Fe, and other such far-away railroads.

I have the impression that cement is rarely, if ever, transported for thousands of miles. If this is so, perhaps there might be other substances that would be transported in these cars for such distances.


Any assistance gratefully received,

Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: 8-panel 42-foot gon

Charlie Vlk
 

I don't think that the 8-panel 42-foot gon(s) in N (Atlas/MiniTrix/Rivarossi/Bachmann/Model Power) were made to fit a underframe common to house cars.
Roco (who tooled the first one for MiniTrix) simply copied the one they already had in HO...and the rest made copies. The Roco N Scale tooling has over 60 different freight car body styles. Many of them use roofs, ends, underframes, etc.. common mold inserts between different cars but there is enough variety in the lengths that lead me to believe that such economies were not foremost in the development of the models. Some cars are unique to N but, unfortunately, most are renditions of mistakes previously made in HO.
I haven't researched which HO car started all this but I would suspect it was the Varney one. It wasn't compressed to fit on a common underframe part because the bodies had integral floors... but the tool insert may have been the same.
Charlie Vlk


Re: Making Rivets

laserhriz
 

Paul,
 
Why not make gravity work for you and turn it upside down to cure?
 
Dennis Sautters

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, behillman <chris_hillman@...> wrote:


From: behillman <chris_hillman@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Making Rivets
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 7:41 PM


 



There was some recent discussion about Archer Rivets. They look like a great product, as applicable. I'm going to try and use them where I can.

But, has there ever been found / discussed, a method for making a few rivets "one at a time" using some kind of "resin" or something, that won't flatten-out with gravity?

Example: Create a hole / indention, and insert some kind of "resin" or something, which will not sink flat, but retain a peak to itself, and harden.

I've tried this before with a few different substances, but they always flatten-out too much.

This is necessary for repairing rivets on cast resin or plastic cars.

Any genius on this subject?

Paul Hillman











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Re: Library of Congress photo page

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim (no last name) asked:
"I was looking at the Library of Congress photo page and came across pictures of CMO boxcars 32800 and 3233x. What series where they in?"

A pointer to the photo may help narrow things down...


Ben Hom


Re: new book on the EJ&E

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Excellent! Thanks, Tony!

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] new book on the EJ&E



Signature Press is proud to announce publication of our newest book, _The
Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway_ by Pat Dorin. In addition to a complete
railroad history and description of operations, there are several chapters
about the freight car fleet of the EJ&E, to which Richard Hendrickson and I
contributed. It's a 176-page book containing 230 photos (93 in color) and
most never before published, along with
12 maps and drawings, and appendices with freight car rosters and timetables
for various years.
For more information, or for ordering instructions for those interested,
please visit www.signaturepress.com.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history


Library of Congress photo page

Tim Meyer
 

I was looking at the Library of Congress photo page and came across pictures of CMO boxcars 32800 and 3233x.

What series where they in?

Thanks for the help

Tim


Re: 8-panel 42-foot gon

rwitt_2000
 


Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi,

In N scale, we have had an 8-panel 42-foot gon available since the
earliest days. It has been made by several manufacturers, and has been
available in both wood-floor and steel-floor versions over the years. An
image of one can be seen at the url below.

Michael K replied:

One explanation I have heard that sounds plausible is that the gondola
body was compressed so the same plastic underframe could be used that
was common to 40' box, stock and reefer cars. That prevented tooling a
unique underframe soley for a correctly dimensioned gondola.
At least in N scale that appears to have been the case.
That probably was not the case for these 8-panel, 40-ft gondolas in
either HO or N scale. The models of gondolas that had a nominal IL of
52'-6" such as the AAR and Bethlehem styles were compressed to 50' to
fit on 50' underframes usually available from existing models of 50'
boxcars. Models of flat cars were also compressed to fit on these same
50-ft underframes. For a very long time in HO scale one of the few mill
gondolas with the correct length was the one offered by Revell and later
by Con-Cor.

Bob Witt


Re: Making Rivets

npin53
 

I know, it was all I had before the Archer rivets came out other than shaving them off of a donor car.

Aaron

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


True, but the smallest is .020" -- Archer makes them down to about
.007" (5/8" in HO scale)

Tim O'Connor



At 3/9/2010 08:29 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Tichy makes several sizes of rivets that come on a sprue. You cut each one off individually and can use styrene cement to attach them.
Aaron


Re: Making Rivets

Tim O'Connor
 

True, but the smallest is .020" -- Archer makes them down to about
.007" (5/8" in HO scale)

Tim O'Connor

At 3/9/2010 08:29 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Tichy makes several sizes of rivets that come on a sprue. You cut each one off individually and can use styrene cement to attach them.
Aaron


Missouri Pacific Drover Caboose Kits in HO

Gene <mopac1@...>
 

The Missouri Pacific Historical Society commissioned two new Missouri
Pacific Drover Caboose Kits from American Model Builders.

Kit #883 for the as-built 1930 Drovers Caboose version which operated
from 1930 into the early 60's.

Kit #884 for the LCL/Merchandise side door version which was modified in
the late 40's for LCL & Merchandise service on branch lines and
operated into the early 60's as well.

The kits are available exclusively from Missouri Pacific Historical
Society.

Each kits consists of AMB's custom laser-scribed sides with tab &
slot construction: peel & stick window and door assembly with color
window shades: resin steps with laser cut sills and end railings plus
hand grab bending jig; laser cut ladders and brake wheel; and AMB white
metal smoke jack. Special MPHS additions include Tichy brake detail
parts (KC or AB as appropriate) and custom decals designed specifically
for accurate lettering of the Drover Caboose kits, available no where
else. Paint, glue, trucks & couplers are not included.

If interested, check them out at: www.mopac.org <http://www.mopac.org>

Gene Semon

MPHS


Re: Making Rivets

 

I have used the thicker gel CA's before for rivets. As long as it is just a few. I use .008 wire to apply the CA.
 
Rich Christie

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Aaron Gjermundson <npin53@...> wrote:


From: Aaron Gjermundson <npin53@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Making Rivets
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 7:29 PM


 



Tichy makes several sizes of rivets that come on a sprue. You cut each one off individually and can use styrene cement to attach them.

http://www.tichytra ingroup.com/ index.php? page=view_ product.php& id=181&category= NBW+%26+Rivets

I have shaved a few off with a razor blade, wet the area that "needed" the rivet with Testors cement (the thin stuff in a glass bottle), licked the end of a toothpick, picked up the rivet head and then put it in the desired place.

Aaron

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "behillman" <chris_hillman@ ...> wrote:

There was some recent discussion about Archer Rivets. They look like a great product, as applicable. I'm going to try and use them where I can.

But, has there ever been found / discussed, a method for making a few rivets "one at a time" using some kind of "resin" or something, that won't flatten-out with gravity?

Example: Create a hole / indention, and insert some kind of "resin" or something, which will not sink flat, but retain a peak to itself, and harden.

I've tried this before with a few different substances, but they always flatten-out too much.

This is necessary for repairing rivets on cast resin or plastic cars.

Any genius on this subject?

Paul Hillman










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Re: Making Rivets

npin53
 

Tichy makes several sizes of rivets that come on a sprue. You cut each one off individually and can use styrene cement to attach them.

http://www.tichytraingroup.com/index.php?page=view_product.php&id=181&category=NBW+%26+Rivets

I have shaved a few off with a razor blade, wet the area that "needed" the rivet with Testors cement (the thin stuff in a glass bottle), licked the end of a toothpick, picked up the rivet head and then put it in the desired place.

Aaron

--- In STMFC@..., "behillman" <chris_hillman@...> wrote:

There was some recent discussion about Archer Rivets. They look like a great product, as applicable. I'm going to try and use them where I can.

But, has there ever been found / discussed, a method for making a few rivets "one at a time" using some kind of "resin" or something, that won't flatten-out with gravity?

Example: Create a hole / indention, and insert some kind of "resin" or something, which will not sink flat, but retain a peak to itself, and harden.

I've tried this before with a few different substances, but they always flatten-out too much.

This is necessary for repairing rivets on cast resin or plastic cars.

Any genius on this subject?

Paul Hillman


ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Rich Orr makes a point...although the message should have been off group:

Clarification please. I am not trying to be a smart a** here. I am really trying to understand this so I don't end up in moderator jail. What constitutes commercial products?
I have rewritten the rule to better cover the situation:

"Announcements of products for sale as part of a commercial enterprise are permitted but only with
permission of the group owner and his staff."

I am investigating the possibility of having a place for dealers and manufacturers to list addresses and updates.

Mike Brock


Re: Clarification of Re: Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Rich, I’d point out that there are other lists for precisely the purpose of
“the dealer with a few items languishing on his shelf who wants to announce
them here fall” The Backshop list is one, HO Yard Sale is another. Let
them go there.

SGL

Clarification please. I am not trying to be a smart a** here. I am really
trying to understand this so I don't end up in moderator jail. What
constitutes commercial products? Obviously under this rule a modeler with a
few items to sell is safe with infrequent announcements. Just as obvious
Athearn announcing a new product is a commercial announcement. Where does
the dealer with a few items languishing on his shelf who wants to announce
them here fall? Is that commercial or not? For the sake of discussion assume
that in all three cases all the products are commercially made

Rich Orr

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<STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 2:39 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial
announcements.

Tim,

No problem. The rule is short; it is Mike who is verbose. :)

The rule:
"Announcements of commercial products for sale are permitted but only with
permission of the group owner and his staff."

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

Yikes! Is this overridden by the Rule of All Rules, which says
that if the Rule takes more than a sentence or two to explain,
then the Rule is too complicated to understand?

Tim "I plead the fourth!" O'Connor



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Making Rivets

Paul Hillman
 

There was some recent discussion about Archer Rivets. They look like a great product, as applicable. I'm going to try and use them where I can.

But, has there ever been found / discussed, a method for making a few rivets "one at a time" using some kind of "resin" or something, that won't flatten-out with gravity?

Example: Create a hole / indention, and insert some kind of "resin" or something, which will not sink flat, but retain a peak to itself, and harden.

I've tried this before with a few different substances, but they always flatten-out too much.

This is necessary for repairing rivets on cast resin or plastic cars.

Any genius on this subject?

Paul Hillman


Re: Fw: ACL and Charleston and Western Carolina O-16 boxcar decals

palmettoltd82
 

Earl,

ACL cars in the 47000-50699 series were constructed between 1922-1926. The cars were rebuilt with steel sides between 1939-1944 (classes O-16A through O-16-E). Classes O-16-A,-B,& -C were double door automobile cars.

C&WC O-16 boxcars cars were purchased in 1925 in series 8500-8695. Also rebuilt with steel sides between 1940-1942.

Recall reading a Richard Hendrickson post on another list many years ago that stated the ACL sold 50 O-16s to the Columbia, Newberry & Laurens. Do not recall what year this transfer occurred, but 50 cars are listed for the CN&L in the 1941 ORER.

Aside: RPC #16 states that the FEC USRA vents were later reno. ca. 1936 to ACL O-15 43735-44234, .........This is suggestive of a possible error in the roster.
Agree this is an error.

Buddy Hill


Clarification of Re: Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

SUVCWORR@...
 

Clarification please. I am not trying to be a smart a** here. I am really trying to understand this so I don't end up in moderator jail. What constitutes commercial products? Obviously under this rule a modeler with a few items to sell is safe with infrequent announcements. Just as obvious Athearn announcing a new product is a commercial announcement. Where does the dealer with a few items languishing on his shelf who wants to announce them here fall? Is that commercial or not? For the sake of discussion assume that in all three cases all the products are commercially made

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...>
To: STMFC@... <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 2:39 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.


Tim,

No problem. The rule is short; it is Mike who is verbose. :)

The rule:
"Announcements of commercial products for sale are permitted but only with
permission of the group owner and his staff."

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:11 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.



Yikes! Is this overridden by the Rule of All Rules, which says
that if the Rule takes more than a sentence or two to explain,
then the Rule is too complicated to understand?

Tim "I plead the fourth!" O'Connor








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new book on the EJ&E

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Signature Press is proud to announce publication of our newest book, _The Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway_ by Pat Dorin. In addition to a complete railroad history and description of operations, there are several chapters about the freight car fleet of the EJ&E, to which Richard Hendrickson and I contributed. It's a 176-page book containing 230 photos (93 in color) and most never before published, along with 12 maps and drawings, and appendices with freight car rosters and timetables for various years.
For more information, or for ordering instructions for those interested, please visit www.signaturepress.com.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Denis Blake says:


Doesn't this constitute flaming someone? Shouldn't Jeff report to Moderate
Jail for this?
Apparently Denis is referring to Jeff's comment:

"it is Mike who is verbose."

I don't understand. Why should Jeff go to jail for making a complimentary statement? If General Longstreet had been more verbose, Gettysburg might have had a different ending...to name one example.

Mike Brock...Hmmm. Wonder if I should include the history of the word "verbose" and even "jail"?


Re: FGEX 55558

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bill Welch wrote:
The IM and Sunshine kits both require removing the sill and replacing it with 6-inch scale styrene strip. the plates woud need to be scratch built as well but not hard to do., and then harvest rivets from Athearn boxcars.
Ah, so 20th century. Betcha Archer rivets would be easier. I haven't tried them for anything yet that didn't work.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

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