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Re: 8-panel 42-foot gon

rwitt_2000
 


Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi,

In N scale, we have had an 8-panel 42-foot gon available since the
earliest days. It has been made by several manufacturers, and has been
available in both wood-floor and steel-floor versions over the years. An
image of one can be seen at the url below.

Michael K replied:

One explanation I have heard that sounds plausible is that the gondola
body was compressed so the same plastic underframe could be used that
was common to 40' box, stock and reefer cars. That prevented tooling a
unique underframe soley for a correctly dimensioned gondola.
At least in N scale that appears to have been the case.
That probably was not the case for these 8-panel, 40-ft gondolas in
either HO or N scale. The models of gondolas that had a nominal IL of
52'-6" such as the AAR and Bethlehem styles were compressed to 50' to
fit on 50' underframes usually available from existing models of 50'
boxcars. Models of flat cars were also compressed to fit on these same
50-ft underframes. For a very long time in HO scale one of the few mill
gondolas with the correct length was the one offered by Revell and later
by Con-Cor.

Bob Witt


Re: Making Rivets

npin53
 

I know, it was all I had before the Archer rivets came out other than shaving them off of a donor car.

Aaron

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


True, but the smallest is .020" -- Archer makes them down to about
.007" (5/8" in HO scale)

Tim O'Connor



At 3/9/2010 08:29 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Tichy makes several sizes of rivets that come on a sprue. You cut each one off individually and can use styrene cement to attach them.
Aaron


Re: Making Rivets

Tim O'Connor
 

True, but the smallest is .020" -- Archer makes them down to about
.007" (5/8" in HO scale)

Tim O'Connor

At 3/9/2010 08:29 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Tichy makes several sizes of rivets that come on a sprue. You cut each one off individually and can use styrene cement to attach them.
Aaron


Missouri Pacific Drover Caboose Kits in HO

Gene <mopac1@...>
 

The Missouri Pacific Historical Society commissioned two new Missouri
Pacific Drover Caboose Kits from American Model Builders.

Kit #883 for the as-built 1930 Drovers Caboose version which operated
from 1930 into the early 60's.

Kit #884 for the LCL/Merchandise side door version which was modified in
the late 40's for LCL & Merchandise service on branch lines and
operated into the early 60's as well.

The kits are available exclusively from Missouri Pacific Historical
Society.

Each kits consists of AMB's custom laser-scribed sides with tab &
slot construction: peel & stick window and door assembly with color
window shades: resin steps with laser cut sills and end railings plus
hand grab bending jig; laser cut ladders and brake wheel; and AMB white
metal smoke jack. Special MPHS additions include Tichy brake detail
parts (KC or AB as appropriate) and custom decals designed specifically
for accurate lettering of the Drover Caboose kits, available no where
else. Paint, glue, trucks & couplers are not included.

If interested, check them out at: www.mopac.org <http://www.mopac.org>

Gene Semon

MPHS


Re: Making Rivets

 

I have used the thicker gel CA's before for rivets. As long as it is just a few. I use .008 wire to apply the CA.
 
Rich Christie

--- On Tue, 3/9/10, Aaron Gjermundson <npin53@...> wrote:


From: Aaron Gjermundson <npin53@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Making Rivets
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 7:29 PM


 



Tichy makes several sizes of rivets that come on a sprue. You cut each one off individually and can use styrene cement to attach them.

http://www.tichytra ingroup.com/ index.php? page=view_ product.php& id=181&category= NBW+%26+Rivets

I have shaved a few off with a razor blade, wet the area that "needed" the rivet with Testors cement (the thin stuff in a glass bottle), licked the end of a toothpick, picked up the rivet head and then put it in the desired place.

Aaron

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, "behillman" <chris_hillman@ ...> wrote:

There was some recent discussion about Archer Rivets. They look like a great product, as applicable. I'm going to try and use them where I can.

But, has there ever been found / discussed, a method for making a few rivets "one at a time" using some kind of "resin" or something, that won't flatten-out with gravity?

Example: Create a hole / indention, and insert some kind of "resin" or something, which will not sink flat, but retain a peak to itself, and harden.

I've tried this before with a few different substances, but they always flatten-out too much.

This is necessary for repairing rivets on cast resin or plastic cars.

Any genius on this subject?

Paul Hillman










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Re: Making Rivets

npin53
 

Tichy makes several sizes of rivets that come on a sprue. You cut each one off individually and can use styrene cement to attach them.

http://www.tichytraingroup.com/index.php?page=view_product.php&id=181&category=NBW+%26+Rivets

I have shaved a few off with a razor blade, wet the area that "needed" the rivet with Testors cement (the thin stuff in a glass bottle), licked the end of a toothpick, picked up the rivet head and then put it in the desired place.

Aaron

--- In STMFC@..., "behillman" <chris_hillman@...> wrote:

There was some recent discussion about Archer Rivets. They look like a great product, as applicable. I'm going to try and use them where I can.

But, has there ever been found / discussed, a method for making a few rivets "one at a time" using some kind of "resin" or something, that won't flatten-out with gravity?

Example: Create a hole / indention, and insert some kind of "resin" or something, which will not sink flat, but retain a peak to itself, and harden.

I've tried this before with a few different substances, but they always flatten-out too much.

This is necessary for repairing rivets on cast resin or plastic cars.

Any genius on this subject?

Paul Hillman


ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Rich Orr makes a point...although the message should have been off group:

Clarification please. I am not trying to be a smart a** here. I am really trying to understand this so I don't end up in moderator jail. What constitutes commercial products?
I have rewritten the rule to better cover the situation:

"Announcements of products for sale as part of a commercial enterprise are permitted but only with
permission of the group owner and his staff."

I am investigating the possibility of having a place for dealers and manufacturers to list addresses and updates.

Mike Brock


Re: Clarification of Re: Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Rich, I’d point out that there are other lists for precisely the purpose of
“the dealer with a few items languishing on his shelf who wants to announce
them here fall” The Backshop list is one, HO Yard Sale is another. Let
them go there.

SGL

Clarification please. I am not trying to be a smart a** here. I am really
trying to understand this so I don't end up in moderator jail. What
constitutes commercial products? Obviously under this rule a modeler with a
few items to sell is safe with infrequent announcements. Just as obvious
Athearn announcing a new product is a commercial announcement. Where does
the dealer with a few items languishing on his shelf who wants to announce
them here fall? Is that commercial or not? For the sake of discussion assume
that in all three cases all the products are commercially made

Rich Orr

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Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 2:39 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial
announcements.

Tim,

No problem. The rule is short; it is Mike who is verbose. :)

The rule:
"Announcements of commercial products for sale are permitted but only with
permission of the group owner and his staff."

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

Yikes! Is this overridden by the Rule of All Rules, which says
that if the Rule takes more than a sentence or two to explain,
then the Rule is too complicated to understand?

Tim "I plead the fourth!" O'Connor



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Making Rivets

Paul Hillman
 

There was some recent discussion about Archer Rivets. They look like a great product, as applicable. I'm going to try and use them where I can.

But, has there ever been found / discussed, a method for making a few rivets "one at a time" using some kind of "resin" or something, that won't flatten-out with gravity?

Example: Create a hole / indention, and insert some kind of "resin" or something, which will not sink flat, but retain a peak to itself, and harden.

I've tried this before with a few different substances, but they always flatten-out too much.

This is necessary for repairing rivets on cast resin or plastic cars.

Any genius on this subject?

Paul Hillman


Re: Fw: ACL and Charleston and Western Carolina O-16 boxcar decals

palmettoltd82
 

Earl,

ACL cars in the 47000-50699 series were constructed between 1922-1926. The cars were rebuilt with steel sides between 1939-1944 (classes O-16A through O-16-E). Classes O-16-A,-B,& -C were double door automobile cars.

C&WC O-16 boxcars cars were purchased in 1925 in series 8500-8695. Also rebuilt with steel sides between 1940-1942.

Recall reading a Richard Hendrickson post on another list many years ago that stated the ACL sold 50 O-16s to the Columbia, Newberry & Laurens. Do not recall what year this transfer occurred, but 50 cars are listed for the CN&L in the 1941 ORER.

Aside: RPC #16 states that the FEC USRA vents were later reno. ca. 1936 to ACL O-15 43735-44234, .........This is suggestive of a possible error in the roster.
Agree this is an error.

Buddy Hill


Clarification of Re: Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

SUVCWORR@...
 

Clarification please. I am not trying to be a smart a** here. I am really trying to understand this so I don't end up in moderator jail. What constitutes commercial products? Obviously under this rule a modeler with a few items to sell is safe with infrequent announcements. Just as obvious Athearn announcing a new product is a commercial announcement. Where does the dealer with a few items languishing on his shelf who wants to announce them here fall? Is that commercial or not? For the sake of discussion assume that in all three cases all the products are commercially made

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@...>
To: STMFC@... <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tue, Mar 9, 2010 2:39 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.


Tim,

No problem. The rule is short; it is Mike who is verbose. :)

The rule:
"Announcements of commercial products for sale are permitted but only with
permission of the group owner and his staff."

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:11 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.



Yikes! Is this overridden by the Rule of All Rules, which says
that if the Rule takes more than a sentence or two to explain,
then the Rule is too complicated to understand?

Tim "I plead the fourth!" O'Connor








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new book on the EJ&E

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Signature Press is proud to announce publication of our newest book, _The Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway_ by Pat Dorin. In addition to a complete railroad history and description of operations, there are several chapters about the freight car fleet of the EJ&E, to which Richard Hendrickson and I contributed. It's a 176-page book containing 230 photos (93 in color) and most never before published, along with 12 maps and drawings, and appendices with freight car rosters and timetables for various years.
For more information, or for ordering instructions for those interested, please visit www.signaturepress.com.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Denis Blake says:


Doesn't this constitute flaming someone? Shouldn't Jeff report to Moderate
Jail for this?
Apparently Denis is referring to Jeff's comment:

"it is Mike who is verbose."

I don't understand. Why should Jeff go to jail for making a complimentary statement? If General Longstreet had been more verbose, Gettysburg might have had a different ending...to name one example.

Mike Brock...Hmmm. Wonder if I should include the history of the word "verbose" and even "jail"?


Re: FGEX 55558

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bill Welch wrote:
The IM and Sunshine kits both require removing the sill and replacing it with 6-inch scale styrene strip. the plates woud need to be scratch built as well but not hard to do., and then harvest rivets from Athearn boxcars.
Ah, so 20th century. Betcha Archer rivets would be easier. I haven't tried them for anything yet that didn't work.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

gn999gn
 

I applaud the moderator ( Mike ) for this post.
It is, in my view, long overdue and I hope that we all
support him and do our share to enforce the rules.

It is to the benefit of ALL that we separate the users forum
from commercial self interest. It is not a line that should
be crossed. Let us not forget why this forum exists and benefits us.

I have ABSOLUTELY no problem with commercial interests what-so-ever!
And please; this is Not intended to be finger-pointing at anyone.
I run a commercial (self) interest as well in this genre.
But, this is not the place for it.
We all have our own websites that we pay for anyway.

Our lives are loaded with examples of commercial interests that
have nearly permeated everything.
I suspect that most of us rather enjoy having a medium such as
this where we can talk shop and escape from those issues.

Thank you Mike.
Not just for this posting, but for running one of the better forums.

Ronald A. dePierre
MDA

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Well...it has been some time since I...the STMFC Head judge...have had to
remind the members of certain of the group rules. The rules state:

"Announcements of frt car related items for sell are permitted BUT actual
lists of items should be made available from the seller upon request rather
than in the message. Announcements of such sells should be kept at a
minimum. The primary objective of the group is to exchange information
concerning the subject."

Perhaps the term "minimum" is not understood or perhaps a better choice of
words might have been better. The point that the rules were trying to convey
is that the STMFC is not a forum for advertising commercial products. Nor is
it a forum for repeatedly announcing sales of any product. However,
OCCASIONAL announcements of either have been permitted...hence the tern
"minimum". I might add that I have indicated quite a few times that
responses MUST be OFF Group. I note today that no less than 3 such responses
were ON GROUP. During two consecutive days, 3 commercial messages from the
same manufacturer were attempted to be sent through the STMFC. This does not
seem to satisfy my concept of "minimum".

For some time I have been warning that continued violations of the rules
might result in changes. The solution? Simple.

As of today, the new STMFC rule is in effect:

"Announcements of commercial products for sale are permitted but only with
permission of the group owner and his staff." Violation will...well, you
know. BTW, I found the key to Moderate Jail...rusted as it is from lack of
use...unlocking the door I guess.

OTOH, if you have something to sell...but not as a commercial
enterprise...announce it but ONLY include the address to a site where the
product is listed or from where a list may be sent to the member. The group
management team will monitor such messages to ensure that the number is not
excessive.

For those that can't seem to understand that responses to any sale operation
must be off group, I can only hope that you are well fed and wear warm
clothes because there ain't no heat in Moderate Jail and the food? Well...

Mind you, do not confuse a commercial message with a member's message
complimenting or criticizing a product. That IS an important aspect of the
group. The point of all this is that the STMFC was founded on the principle
of it being a forum to discuss steam era freight cars and that's what it
will continue to do. An occasional commercial message will be beneficial
rather than harmful but a retail forum it won't be.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: FGEX 55558

Bill Welch
 

When I was ask for input for the IM kit, I strongly urged them to design it so that two different side sills could be applied the cars in the 55000 series, which constituted about half of the postwar rebuilds. The cars with the 6-inch sill are more personally interesting to me as they tend to feature a variety of different plates applied to the sill which because they are 8-inches showed up more than when applied to the 8-inch sill. Western Fruit had cars w/the 6-inch sill also.

The IM and Sunshine kits both require removing the sill and replacing it with 6-inch scale styrene strip. the plates woud need to be scratch built as well but not hard to do., and then harvest rivets from Athearn boxcars.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

Earl Tuson's question about the ACL car got me to look at the web site he
mentioned and therein I came across this image of a FGEX car:
<<http://www.srmduluth.org/photos/fge_2007.jpg>> Two questions: Is the car
number actually correct for this car and does this car match any resin kits?

Anyone know? TIA.

Dave Nelson


Re: 8-panel 42-foot gon

Mike Kmetz
 

One explanation I have heard that sounds plausible is that the gondola body was compressed so the same plastic underframe could be used that was common to 40' box, stock and reefer cars. That prevented tooling a unique underframe soley for a correctly dimensioned gondola.
At least in N scale that appears to have been the case.
--Mike K

--- In STMFC@..., "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi,

In N scale, we have had an 8-panel 42-foot gon available since the earliest days. It has been made by several manufacturers, and has
been available in both wood-floor and steel-floor versions over the years. An image of one can be seen at the url below.

http://www.atlasrr.com/NFreight/n42gondola.htm

I believe HO also has this same model available.

Does this car have a prototype? I've never found one... Can anything meaningful be done with this model, or is it just plain
hopeless?

Input is appreciated.

- Claus Schlund


Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

seaboard_1966
 

Doesn't this constitute flaming someone? Shouldn't Jeff report to Moderate Jail for this?

Denis Blake
Formerly of Moderate Jail
OHIO

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From: "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 2:39 PM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

Tim,

No problem. The rule is short; it is Mike who is verbose. :)

The rule:
"Announcements of commercial products for sale are permitted but only with permission of the group owner and his staff."

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:11 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.



Yikes! Is this overridden by the Rule of All Rules, which says
that if the Rule takes more than a sentence or two to explain,
then the Rule is too complicated to understand?

Tim "I plead the fourth!" O'Connor







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Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.

Aley, Jeff A
 

Tim,

No problem. The rule is short; it is Mike who is verbose. :)

The rule:
"Announcements of commercial products for sale are permitted but only with permission of the group owner and his staff."

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:11 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ADMIN: New rules concerning commercial announcements.



Yikes! Is this overridden by the Rule of All Rules, which says
that if the Rule takes more than a sentence or two to explain,
then the Rule is too complicated to understand?

Tim "I plead the fourth!" O'Connor


Re: FGEX 55558

Bruce Smith
 

On Mar 9, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Dave Nelson wrote:

Earl Tuson's question about the ACL car got me to look at the web site he
mentioned and therein I came across this image of a FGEX car:
<<http://www.srmduluth.org/photos/fge_2007.jpg>> Two questions: Is the car
number actually correct for this car and does this car match any resin kits?

Anyone know? TIA.

Dave Nelson
Dave,

The 55000 series were post-WWII rebuilds with an eave height of 12' 11". Until recently I thought that these would all have had the 8" side sill, but Bill Welch recently pointed out (here IIRC) that some of these were rebuilt from 1921 design cars with 6" side sills. That appears to be the case here. This car could be modeled from the Sunshine resin kit or the IM plastic kit by modifying the side sills and crossbearers.

Regards
Bruce

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Auburn, AL
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