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Re: Vulcan Trucks

Paul Hillman
 

Dennis,

Super great drawing & photo of the Vulcan Trucks. They seem to be very similar to Kadee's version.

Thanks, Paul Hillman

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From: Dennis Storzek<mailto:destorzek@mchsi.com>
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Subject: [STMFC] Vulcan Trucks



I give up. I've posted two messages via the web site, and whahoo lost
them both.

I've uploaded some illustrations of the later U section Vulcan trucks here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Vulcan_Truck/<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Vulcan_Truck/>

Note that the distinctive feature is the use of separate journal
boxes retained by "jaws at the ends of the sideframes.

Dennis Storzek


Re: New Kadee Trucks

Dave Nelson
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Presumably, if these new trucks are as well received as they
should be, similar replacements for Kadee's cast metal Andrews,
Bettendorf T-section, Vulcan, and Pennsylvania 2D-F8 will follow. I
certainly hope so, as the early L-section Andrews and Vulcan trucks,
especially, aren't available from any other source.
Doing the Vulcan trucks would be nice as their old design for these has
particularly poor rolling qualities.

Dave Nelson


Re: Caboose Trucks

Jim Betz
 

Hi All,

Thought I'd give you an update ... and a method of picking
up the power I haven't seen done before.

I've decided to go with the Tahoe Model Works trucks. The
Tichy trucks are slightly more accurate for the WM and B&O -
but the TMW trucks are done better. Also the Tichy trucks
are smaller and designed for shorter axles and even after
reaming them I couldn't get a metal wheels + metal axle
wheelset to spin freely in them. And they had a lot of flash
on them.

******

I was working on a method of doing the pickup that involved
using phosphor bronze wire. A guy I know was looking at the
way I was doing it and suggested a change that is working
quite well. What he suggested was to drill the bolster from
front to rear and run the phosphor bronze wire thru the holes.
I ended up with an "H" with two cross pieces shape to the
wire. The cross pieces are soldered to the longer ones and
a pickup wire is included in one of those joints as well.
The result of this method is that you can fine tune the
pressure of the wire on the axles - to get it where the
trucks will still roll well but the wires will contact well
enough for the phosphor bronze wire to pick up the track
power for the flicker free circuit.
I placed a pic of one of the trucks with the pickups in
my folder "Wheel Painting Jig" in the FILES section. Enjoy.

Comments or suggestions for improvements are welcomed.

- Jim

P.S. Many said "go to the source" for the Tichy 3051 trucks.
I found them at the Train Shop so didn't have to wait.
It is curious that Walthers carries some of the Tichy
product line but appears to not even carry the 3051.
They certainly aren't a new product. Walthers strikes
(out) again.


new decal sets added

jerryglow2
 

I've added several new sets to the decals I've been doing see message #88242 on previous sets or http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.txt for updated list.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/
PLEASE respond OFF LIST
jerryglow@comcast.net


delivering stuff to build Iowa-class battleships

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Brian Chapman wrote:

For some time I've wondered about railroad transportation and the building of the last battleships ever built -- the Iowa Class (Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, and Wisconsin -- because of their great speed, also known as super-cruisers).
......
A colossal project. The railroads had to be intimately involved. Mustn't there have been marshaling yards for the big east coast building docks? Logistics must have been pretty carefully orchestrated, wouldn't you think?

In Iowa's and Missouri's case, I'd guess much of the material arrived in New Jersey ports and were shipped to the NY Navy Yard?

For some time I've thought that the story of building these ships would be interesting. Anyone have thoughts or information to offer?

I'd guess that much of the heavier steel plate came in by water, not by rail. I gather the big guns were made at Bethlehem, PA, so they would have traveled by rail to the shipyards, and I think there are plenty of photos of that. Certainly lots of smaller parts came by rail, but in terms of total carloads you didn't need a big yard to hold them before they were used. If the parts were manufactured well before they were needed at the shipyard they were probably warehoused to free up the boxcar for another load, and the government built many warehouses on both coasts during the war to stage material.

As for calling them "super cruisers", one could call the Iowas and South Dakotas that for several reasons, although speed isn't one of them, and they were generally not used in traditional cruiser roles. Air power made cruisers vulnerable, a lesson learned early in WW2 by both sides, and the fast battleships spent most of their service lives working in concert with fleet carriers. In this role they excelled.

Scott Chatfield


Sunshine steel plate load

Jim Hayes
 

With thanks to David Turner, the PDS/instruction sheet for Sunshine's ship
steel plate load can now be viewed at my site.
You'll find a link to it on the Recent Flyers page in the Naperville 2009
group.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


Re: Vulcan Trucks

bob_karig <karig@...>
 

I've just uploaded to an Album in the PHOTO section entitled Vulcan trucks:

(1) The original patent diagram for the Vulcan truck

(2) A photo of an early T-Section Vulcan truck taken at the East Broad Top railroad

(3) A photo of a channel or U-Section Vulcan truck taken at the Danbury Railroad Museum.

These should be available for viewing as soon as they're approved.

Bob Karig


Re: Vulcan Trucks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

There's a medical reason for that. I'll send you some info off list.

SGL



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:55 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
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On Mar 17, 2010, at 6:47 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Here's some Vulcan trucks . . .
Schuyler, you're spending way too much time on the computer and not
nearly enough at the workbench. How are you progressing with the
DT&I gon?

Richard Hendrickson









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Vulcan Trucks

Dennis Storzek
 

I give up. I've posted two messages via the web site, and whahoo lost them both.

I've uploaded some illustrations of the later U section Vulcan trucks here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Vulcan_Truck/

Note that the distinctive feature is the use of separate journal boxes retained by "jaws at the ends of the sideframes.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Vulcan Trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 17, 2010, at 6:47 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Here's some Vulcan trucks . . .
Schuyler, you're spending way too much time on the computer and not
nearly enough at the workbench. How are you progressing with the
DT&I gon?


Richard Hendrickson


Re: Vulcan Trucks

Aley, Jeff A
 

Denny,

For the Kadee truck in your possession: how does it roll w/ the stock wheelsets?

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Denny Anspach
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:37 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Vulcan Trucks



One of the problems with some (all?) Ulrich trucks is that they
require the very maximum axle widths- up to 1.055"- to avoid running
along lurching side to side like the most drunken of sailors. I have
not measured the overall width of the trucks to determine whether this
is because the bearing holes are just very deep, or the truck itself
is overly-wide, but I strongly suspect the latter.

Richard's report and review of the new-production Kadee trucks is
encouraging, and quite welcome. I have had one of Kadee's similar pre-
production new-technology frames of one of their later-era trucks for
about 18 months or so, and it is indeed a pretty fine piece of very
clever work and a fine model to boot. I echo Richard's wish for 0.088"
wheels, and (for me), I would further encourage that they be on steel
axles to maximize rollability. That they continue to have some heft in
their weight is very good inasmuch as this weight contributes
directly to lowering the total car weight center of gravity, which
can in turn pragmatically make up the difference resulting from the
absence of a greater amount of weight higher above the rails.

I too am disappointed that the bolster height was not changed to the
industry standard.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Vulcan Trucks

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

One of the problems with some (all?) Ulrich trucks is that they require the very maximum axle widths- up to 1.055"- to avoid running along lurching side to side like the most drunken of sailors. I have not measured the overall width of the trucks to determine whether this is because the bearing holes are just very deep, or the truck itself is overly-wide, but I strongly suspect the latter.

Richard's report and review of the new-production Kadee trucks is encouraging, and quite welcome. I have had one of Kadee's similar pre- production new-technology frames of one of their later-era trucks for about 18 months or so, and it is indeed a pretty fine piece of very clever work and a fine model to boot. I echo Richard's wish for 0.088" wheels, and (for me), I would further encourage that they be on steel axles to maximize rollability. That they continue to have some heft in their weight is very good inasmuch as this weight contributes directly to lowering the total car weight center of gravity, which can in turn pragmatically make up the difference resulting from the absence of a greater amount of weight higher above the rails.

I too am disappointed that the bolster height was not changed to the industry standard.

Denny


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Vulcan Trucks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Here's some Vulcan trucks . . .



http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Vulcan_trucks



OK, OK, that was a joke. What about these? Are these what he wants (shown
as an example)?



http://www.upbids.net/asp/detail.asp?id=43591 Or these:



http://www.linkandpinhobbies.com/Graphics/rgm_3216.jpg Or maybe these, in F
scale (?):



http://tttrains.com/largescale/bachmannfn3hopper.htm Or these, in HO
scale:



<http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://home.comcast.net/~stalbansrr/
ProtoInfo/Trucks/Vulcan.gif
<http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://home.comcast.net/~stalbansrr/
ProtoInfo/Trucks/Vulcan.gif&imgrefurl=http://home.comcast.net/~stalbansrr/Pr
otoInfo/Trucks/KadeeTrucks.htm&usg=__yQ5P4qfVcpDJdesSLJW1yMxKqXM=&h=102&w=22
8&sz=18&hl=en&start=9&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=ccatihzCGP3ZcM:&tbnh=48&tbnw=108&pre
v=/images%3Fq%3Dvulcan%2B%2Btrucks%2Brailroad%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26
rlz%3D1T4PCTA_enUS365US366%26tbs%3Disch:1>
&imgrefurl=http://home.comcast.net/~stalbansrr/ProtoInfo/Trucks/KadeeTrucks.
htm&usg=__yQ5P4qfVcpDJdesSLJW1yMxKqXM=&h=102&w=228&sz=18&hl=en&start=9&um=1&
itbs=1&tbnid=ccatihzCGP3ZcM:&tbnh=48&tbnw=108&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvulcan%2B%2
Btrucks%2Brailroad%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4PCTA_enUS365US366%
26tbs%3Disch:1 >



I doubt what he wants is this, though:
rapid.org/board/showthread.php?p=1198008

(scroll down about 2/3 of the page.)



SGL (enjoying himself)











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Anthony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:57 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Vulcan Trucks





Tom Madden wrote:
Lack of freight car immersion showing...
Tom "but I can sure tell the difference between 2410 and 2411
Pullman trucks" Madden
Pullman had trucks?? <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Update on Marion, OH prototype modelers meet

seaboard_1966
 

The Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet has a new and updated website for our meet. Please check out http://www.hansmanns.org/meet/ for the latest information on the first ever Prototype Modelers Meet in the Central Ohio area.

Denis Blake


Re: 50' MDC single sheathed box cars (was Roundhouse 50' End door Boxcar)

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Andy and Jon,

Last night while I was at home, I was able to check my materials on the WP cars. The WP cars did have radial roofs, same as the models. See John Ryczkowski's article WESTERN PACIFIC 50' SINGLE-SHEATHED AUTOMOBILE CARS in MM, March 1995. Both the general arrangement drawing and Jeff Koeller's scale plan show radial roofs. The GA drawing calls is a "Murphy All-Steel Flexible Roof", not Pullman. The cars, however, were Pullman-built.

My apologies to you all for being vague in my earlier answer to Tim, but I ask for a bit of slack. I can only post to the group while I'm at work, and so don't have access to my reference materials (which is why I don't answer many threads here). When I'm at home, I am locked out of Yahoo groups by the server at the university, and can only read and respond to the original poster. Yes, I could set up another account from home, but then I would see every message twice. I will be in this situation until I retire from UVA in three years (hopefully), and move everything over to my home computer.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

Andy Carlson wrote:

You remembered wrong. WP's cars were all Pullman radial roofed.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


________________________________
From: Jon Miller <atsf@izap.com>



What about the roofs? The ones on ebay were radial however I seem to remember the WP cars were flat roofs.







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Re: 50' MDC single sheathed box cars (was Roundhouse 50' End door Boxcar)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Brown wrote:
P.S. I have, I think, two of the MDC cars. Notes to self: (1) Find the cars. (2) Read Richard's articles. (3) Decide what to model, and do it.
I've been having a similar experience, though I did (2) already. Still got to deal with (1) and (3). Not sure what my original plan was, but I'm guessing Mopac.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 50' MDC single sheathed box cars (was Roundhouse 50' End door Boxcar)

al_brown03
 

The second article in Richard's series, about the end-door cars, appears in RMJ 7/96.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

P.S. I have, I think, two of the MDC cars. Notes to self: (1) Find the cars. (2) Read Richard's articles. (3) Decide what to model, and do it.

P.P.S. It is a continuing pleasure to get educated by the experts on this list.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Mar 16, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Garth G. Groff wrote:

Tim,

IIRC, there were five body castings: double-door with end door,
double-door w/o end door, double-door with WP plate and end door ,
double-door with WP plate and w/o end door, plus wide single door w/o
end doors. I cannot tell you exactly which are correct, except the two
WP plate cars which are both very close to prototype. I think the wide
door is near correct for some T&P rebuilds, and the some double-door
cars without the WP plate are good for T&P and MP. Richard can
probably
advise you better than I.
Yeah, I could, but that's why I wrote the article and published all
those photos in the first place. Been there, done that, and I have
better things to do with my time than produce what amounts to a
reprint for subscribers to the STMFC list.

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: 50' MDC single sheathed box cars (was Roundhouse 50' End door Boxcar)

Bill Welch
 

To be precise however, the T&P cars with the 8-foot Superior doors were wood sheathed. Richard's article in RMJ was the inspiration for all of these projects. I think there were actually two articles. There was one in MM written I believe by the late Paige Porter who worked for Roundhouse. I wish Paige and Brian could have collaborated on more projects.

Although I cannot find my notebook with T&P photos, I remember how surprised I was when after buying a photo of one of the T&P cars in service from Bob's that when I returned home I found that I had the identical photo from Wil Whittaker. Since the one from Bob's was an 8x10, while the one from Wil was smaller, it did not register when I saw it. Also it demonstrates that Wil and Col. McCoid may have known each other or at least traded a negative.

I should add that i really miss RMJ and MM.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Yeah, I could, but that's why I wrote the article and published all
those photos in the first place . . .
I can't find in the article any mention of the single-door
cars.
That's because the models were entirely bogus. When the T&P rebuilt
those cars with wider single doors, they also steel sheathed them.

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: Vulcan Trucks

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tom Madden wrote:
Lack of freight car immersion showing...
Tom "but I can sure tell the difference between 2410 and 2411 Pullman trucks" Madden
Pullman had trucks?? <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Vulcan Trucks

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Tom, that's an Ulrich truck, but not a Vulcan; it's a Bettendorf T-
section.

Richard Hendrickson
Lack of freight car immersion showing...

Tom "but I can sure tell the difference between 2410 and 2411 Pullman trucks" Madden

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