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Re: Carbon Black Covered Hoppers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 27, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Robert Bogie wrote:

In the January 2007 issue of Railmodel Journal, there is an article
by Richard Hendrickson on Carbon Black Covered Hopper cars, which
has two photos of JM Huber Corp cars in a fairly plain paint
scheme. I have also seen a brass model which was done in a
"billboard" type paint scheme with very large lettering. I was
wondering, what time periods each of these two schemes represents.
Robert, the photos I have of Huber cars - one builder's photo and two
in-service shots - all show the "plain Jane" lettering with only
reporting marks, numbers, data, and 9" J. M. HUBER CORPORATION
centered high on the car sides. The in-service shots date from the
early to mid-1950s, so that was the Huber scheme at least until that
period. The Billboard scheme on the model probably represents a
later prototype lettering scheme. I hope that's helpful.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Kato ACF Covered Hoppers

Jerry Dziedzic
 

I have no opinion of the Kato couplers. I'd take advantage of experience and use the couplers you're most familiar with -- Accumates.

If you're the Steve Kay from NJ, L&NE would be a natural choice for a third road name. I believe that Champ still offers decals in L&NE's billboard scheme. They're intended for a different prototype than this car, but they have enough material to select from to letter this car.

N&B would be another selection. Herald King had decals. Don't know whether they remain available.

There are probably minor differences in detail between the Kato version and the prototypes I suggested. One I'd want to check is whether or not the prototype has the triangular cut out in the sides at the center of the car. I don't remember whether the Kato car has this feature or not.

I can suggest L&NE and N&B number series to you, but this will have to wait until mid-April because I'm away from my files right now. Let me know if you'd like this.


Jerry Dziedzic
Pattenburg, NJ

--- In STMFC@..., "StephenK" <thekays100@...> wrote:

Last weekend I picked up two sets of Kato covered hopper kits at a local trainshow for very little $$$. One is Wabash and one is Erie. I searched the group but was unable to get answers to two questions. First, are the Kato couplers worth using, or should I used the Accumates that I generally use? Also, since I really don't need three of each of these(which is why I never bought these before--at the regular price), I am looking for other prototypes/decals to paint these. I found some nice sets from Prime Mover Decals for EL, but would like a few other alternatives. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Kay


Carbon Black Covered Hoppers

robertb@smartchat.net.au
 

In the January 2007 issue of Railmodel Journal, there is an article by Richard Hendrickson on Carbon Black Covered Hopper cars, which has two photos of JM Huber Corp cars in a fairly plain paint scheme. I have also seen a brass model which was done in a "billboard" type paint scheme with very large lettering. I was wondering, what time periods each of these two schemes represents.

Regards,

Robert Bogie


Re: N&W Movie

Scott Pitzer
 

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Very professionally made. It seemed to me that it was designed to
fit a high school audience
===========================================
I remember two educational films with steam railroad action-- both in color. One was about Canada and its natural resources, and the bauxite trains were being switched by steam engines.
The other was intended to illustrate the Doppler Effect and it had two or three runbys of SP engines.
Scott Pitzer


Freight Conductors' Train Book available online

Wendye Ware
 

Hi Everyone

Images of all the pages from a 1951 U.P. Freight Conductors' Train Book and an Excel file of its contents are available online at the Laramie Railroad Depot Association's website: www.laramiedepot.org Hover on "About" and choose "Train Books" to get to the appropriate viewing/downloading page. Here is a direct link:
http://www.laramiedepot.org/About/TrainBooks/tabid/75/Default.aspx

The train book is by a conductor named J.A. Traud who rode the Laramie to Rawlins, Wyoming, Union Pacific mainline and recorded the trains from October 26 to December 6, 1951.

The Excel file has "filters" at the top of the "Headers" and "Cars" pages. They allow one to view only selected records. For example, the filters on the "Cars" workbook allow one to view only the cars from train 15, or only PRR cars, or only cars headed for Council Bluffs that are also in train 12. Tallies at the top of the page give the number of cars and the sum of the tonnages for the selected records. For example, there were 89 eastbound PFE reefers carrying grapes among the cars Traud recorded, and they totaled 4,683 tons with a tare of 2,482 tons.

An Excel viewer is available for free at Microsoft.com As far as I am able to determine, it permits one to use the filters as intended.

If you find any errors in the file or wish to suggest ways to improve its look or functionality, please let me know offlist.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: N&W Movie

Clark Cooper
 

That film is on a 2 DVD set called "America's Railroads, The Steam
Train Legacy".

The picture and sound are far better on the DVD than on YouTube, plus
it's only $10 for the set:

http://www.timelessvideo.com/dvds/americasrailroads2dvd.html

The other films on that set are pretty interesting too.

-Clark Cooper

On Mar 26, 2010, at 8:25 PM, Mark Morgan wrote:

The Rocky Way and Strait Gate model railroad club at Mansfield Ohio
has this video. Came in a set purchased from Walmart. Every time its
watched something new is seen.

Mark Morgan

--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: N&W Movie
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 8:58 PM



Very professionally made. It seemed to me that it was designed to

fit a high school audience -- I wonder if it was shown to kids in

the 1950's in VA/WV/etc - N&W territory. Anyone remember seeing it

way back when?

Tim O'Connor

Bill,
Very nice video. I picked up on a couple of interesting things,
like bricks loaded in to a stock car and there was a shot of 86
rounding a curve and a boxcar loaded with what I perceived to be
flour leaking from under the bottom of the door. Great movie. I
think I will send it to some marketing folks in Omaha... they need
to understand the history of railroading 101. LOL

You should all take the time to watch this for the feight car
content as Bill mentions.

Greg Martin
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From: william darnaby <wdarnaby@att. net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:32 am
Subject: [STMFC] N&W Movie
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=3mXo_ya- kAE
Lot's of good freight car content.
Bill Darnaby
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Re: Applying Archer rivets accurately on a model...

leakinmywaders
 

Steve:

Eyeball it.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

--- In STMFC@..., "railwayman" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

I am modelling a CN 40' steel-frame boxcar that had its Hutchins roof replaced by a diagonal-panel roof in 1951. (Photo on page 98, Nov. 2003 RMC). This roof was rivetted ...
But has anyone a better or less complicated suggestion than mine?
...


Applying Archer rivets accurately on a model...

railwayman <stevelucas3@...>
 

I am modelling a CN 40' steel-frame boxcar that had its Hutchins roof replaced by a diagonal-panel roof in 1951. (Photo on page 98, Nov. 2003 RMC). This roof was rivetted onto the "top sill" of the car with rivets through the roof about 3" from the edge of the roof over the both sides and end. A little playing with a Branchline roof and a piece of .040" thick styrene, along with a 1/8" thick piece of acrylic sheet to give some rigidity to the roof, and I have the basic roof so far.

A tailor-made application for Archer rivets, one would think! For sure, but I welcome suggestions for placing the rivet strips at a consistent distance from the roof edge. I'm thinking of a styrene rivet strip placement jig that hooks onto the roof edge and bottom to ensure constant and replicable spacing. The decals would be gently pushed into position by the jig. This is important, as any misalignment on the rooftop will show immediately on the finished model.

But has anyone a better or less complicated suggestion than mine?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


Re: N&W Movie

Mark
 

The Rocky Way and Strait Gate model railroad club at Mansfield Ohio has this video. Came in a set purchased from Walmart. Every time its watched something new is seen.

Mark Morgan

--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: N&W Movie
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 8:58 PM







 











Very professionally made. It seemed to me that it was designed to

fit a high school audience -- I wonder if it was shown to kids in

the 1950's in VA/WV/etc - N&W territory. Anyone remember seeing it

way back when?



Tim O'Connor



Bill,
Very nice video. I picked up on a couple of interesting things, like bricks loaded in to a stock car and there was a shot of 86 rounding a curve and a boxcar loaded with what I perceived to be flour leaking from under the bottom of the door. Great movie. I think I will send it to some marketing folks in Omaha... they need to understand the history of railroading 101. LOL
You should all take the time to watch this for the feight car content as Bill mentions.
Greg Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: william darnaby <wdarnaby@att. net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:32 am
Subject: [STMFC] N&W Movie
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=3mXo_ya- kAE
Lot's of good freight car content.
Bill Darnaby


Re: N&W Movie

Tim O'Connor
 

Very professionally made. It seemed to me that it was designed to
fit a high school audience -- I wonder if it was shown to kids in
the 1950's in VA/WV/etc - N&W territory. Anyone remember seeing it
way back when?

Tim O'Connor

Bill,

Very nice video. I picked up on a couple of interesting things, like bricks loaded in to a stock car and there was a shot of 86 rounding a curve and a boxcar loaded with what I perceived to be flour leaking from under the bottom of the door. Great movie. I think I will send it to some marketing folks in Omaha... they need to understand the history of railroading 101. LOL

You should all take the time to watch this for the feight car content as Bill mentions.

Greg Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: william darnaby <wdarnaby@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:32 am
Subject: [STMFC] N&W Movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mXo_ya-kAE

Lot's of good freight car content.

Bill Darnaby


Re: N&W Movie

Greg Martin
 

Bill,

Very nice video. I picked up on a couple of interesting things, like bricks loaded in to a stock car and there was a shot of 86 rounding a curve and a boxcar loaded with what I perceived to be flour leaking from under the bottom of the door. Great movie. I think I will send it to some marketing folks in Omaha... they need to understand the history of railroading 101. LOL

You should all take the time to watch this for the feight car content as Bill mentions.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: william darnaby <wdarnaby@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:32 am
Subject: [STMFC] N&W Movie






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mXo_ya-kAE

Lot's of good freight car content.

Bill Darnaby









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Re: Two T&P 50-foot SS cars using the MDC model

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Bill,

MDC did the T&P 8' single-door car in its initial run. I have one, slightly upgraded following photos and notes in Richard's RMJ article.

Kind regards,


Garth Groff

Bill Welch wrote:

I finally found my notebook with T&P photos. For those interested in creating T&P models from the 50-ft. SS single door MDC kit, there are two photos available from "Bob's" to guide you. The first is T&P 71545 with the 8-foot Superior door w/7 ribs. Last reweighed in Feb. 1953, it was photographed in San Francisco in Nov. 1953. Curiously, I have this exact photo from the late Wil Whitaker's collection. This is the version I modeled.

The second photo is T&P 70179. It is double door car with two 6-foot Superior doors consisting of five panels. Last reweighed in Dec. 1954, it was photographed in San Diego on Oct. 1, 1955. The Neg. # is FT&P11. The same single door MDC kit would be used here with the scratch-built doors covering the fifth wood-sheathed panel left of the doors. There is also a heavy reinforcement under the doors running from the 2nd to the 6th vertical brace. The photo has a couple of unpainted boards nailed next to the 1st and 7th vertical braces, adding to the visual interest of the car.

I hope these photos will inspire some models!

Bill Welch


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Two T&P 50-foot SS cars using the MDC model

Bill Welch
 

I finally found my notebook with T&P photos. For those interested in creating T&P models from the 50-ft. SS single door MDC kit, there are two photos available from "Bob's" to guide you. The first is T&P 71545 with the 8-foot Superior door w/7 ribs. Last reweighed in Feb. 1953, it was photographed in San Francisco in Nov. 1953. Curiously, I have this exact photo from the late Wil Whitaker's collection. This is the version I modeled.

The second photo is T&P 70179. It is double door car with two 6-foot Superior doors consisting of five panels. Last reweighed in Dec. 1954, it was photographed in San Diego on Oct. 1, 1955. The Neg. # is FT&P11. The same single door MDC kit would be used here with the scratch-built doors covering the fifth wood-sheathed panel left of the doors. There is also a heavy reinforcement under the doors running from the 2nd to the 6th vertical brace. The photo has a couple of unpainted boards nailed next to the 1st and 7th vertical braces, adding to the visual interest of the car.

I hope these photos will inspire some models!

Bill Welch


Re: new decal sets added

jerryglow2
 

While the text file is still there, I've added a listing as a web page:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html
which is easier to read and will allow for links to articles and sample model shots.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

I've added several new sets to the decals I've been doing see message #88242 on previous sets or http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.txt for updated list.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/
PLEASE respond OFF LIST
jerryglow@...


freight (was Re: J&L 3 dome tank car (the end?))

Tim O'Connor
 

Denny

Do you remember the Yak Fat rate case? Trains ran an illustation
of the Yak Fat Rack Flat... Coelacanth oil is less interesting as
commodities go, shipped in 1 Qt cans packed 24 to a box....

Tim O'Connor

At 3/25/2010 10:28 PM Thursday, you wrote:
...how *was* coelacanth oil shipped over Sherman Hill?
Wow! What a list! Is there yet no rail freight haulage subject that is beyond the grasp of this group?

MIke.........?

Denny


Re: J&L 3 dome tank car (the end?)

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

...how *was* coelacanth oil shipped over Sherman Hill?
Wow! What a list! Is there yet no rail freight haulage subject that is beyond the grasp of this group?

MIke.........?

Denny


Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: Searching For A Modeler

Brian Carlson
 

actually it sounds like Stan Rydarowicz. He often has SFRD, PFE, and Fruit
Growers company reefers. No email, just regular mail.



http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sunstan.pdf



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:28 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Searching For A Modeler







AT the Naperville Meet last October there was a gentleman who had a
great selection of models on display. He was located at the end of
the table to the left of the door as you entered.
Most of the models were Santa Fe (refers, boxcars and gons). I
photographed many of the models and finally met the gentleman on the
last day as he was packing up. I'm afraid that I
failed to get his name. If anyone knows who this is I would like to
get more information on some of his models as I found them to be very
inspirational.

Thanks:

Bill Pardie


Re: steel, rust, technical markings (was Color Photo of truck assembiles)

Mark
 

At our mill a similar chalk is used to show heat number and weight!

Mark Morgan USW@AKSteel/ Mansfield Works

--- On Thu, 3/25/10, Timothy Barney <tbarney@...> wrote:

From: Timothy Barney <tbarney@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: steel, rust, technical markings (was Color Photo of truck assembiles)
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 9:40 PM







 









Tim O'Connor wrote:

Floquil "rail brown" has always seemed somewhat yellowish to me. I
think it is a good color for light dusting along the edges of steel,
in addition to more orange-reddish shades.
At the Springfield show, Thoroughbred Models (a custom painter) had
cars with plate steel loads that were nicely rusted, with all kinds
of technical data written in bright white ink on them. I have no
idea what those markings meant, but I have seen them before. Anyone
know where I can find examples of this online (i.e. pictures) with any
explanation of the markings?
I asked how he made the marks, he said it was a white ink technical
pen from Michael's, but I've been unable to find such a pen at the store.
But I found this white ink pen online:
http://www.jetpens. com/images/ uni_um-153. 1.jpg
Tim O'Connor
The markings most likely are identification and traceability data that

link to plant records of metallurgical testing, production batch

information and the like. As an example, they're written directly on

the hot slabs are they are cut coming off of the rolling line (usually a

3 or 4 high rolling mill) with a special chalk that isn't affected by

the heat of the still cherry-red metal.



Tim Barney























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Re: steel, rust, technical markings (was Color Photo of truck assembiles)

tbarney2004
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Floquil "rail brown" has always seemed somewhat yellowish to me. I
think it is a good color for light dusting along the edges of steel,
in addition to more orange-reddish shades.

At the Springfield show, Thoroughbred Models (a custom painter) had
cars with plate steel loads that were nicely rusted, with all kinds
of technical data written in bright white ink on them. I have no
idea what those markings meant, but I have seen them before. Anyone
know where I can find examples of this online (i.e. pictures) with any
explanation of the markings?

I asked how he made the marks, he said it was a white ink technical
pen from Michael's, but I've been unable to find such a pen at the store.
But I found this white ink pen online:

http://www.jetpens.com/images/uni_um-153.1.jpg

Tim O'Connor

The markings most likely are identification and traceability data that link to plant records of metallurgical testing, production batch information and the like. As an example, they're written directly on the hot slabs are they are cut coming off of the rolling line (usually a 3 or 4 high rolling mill) with a special chalk that isn't affected by the heat of the still cherry-red metal.

Tim Barney


Kato ACF Covered Hoppers

StephenK
 

Last weekend I picked up two sets of Kato covered hopper kits at a local trainshow for very little $$$. One is Wabash and one is Erie. I searched the group but was unable to get answers to two questions. First, are the Kato couplers worth using, or should I used the Accumates that I generally use? Also, since I really don't need three of each of these(which is why I never bought these before--at the regular price), I am looking for other prototypes/decals to paint these. I found some nice sets from Prime Mover Decals for EL, but would like a few other alternatives. Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Kay

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