rwitt_2000 wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

That's a Wagner door, the same type as the ones on the PRR Class XL
boxcars.

Ben Hom

In the second photo in this group of four there is a PRR Class XL with
its Wagner door; and of course opening to the left.

http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/hec.10147

Bob Witt

Thanks, gentlemen. A discussion about early plug doors at message 32975, 7/28/2004, indicates the door hardware on GA 8018 is similar to the PRR XL cars, just reversed to open to the right.

Wonder of wonders, Yahoo search is actually working today. Get 'em while you can boys!

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN

Hi,

I've been using chalks for weathering for over 20 years now.
It's not the only weathering I do but very few cars go to the
layout without some chalk on them.
At first I applied the chalks dry and over sprayed them to
lock them in place. That works - but you have to first learn
how much chalk to apply because the over spray with dull coat
changes them - and the change depends upon the combination of
the color(s) of the car and the color of the chalk. Dry chalks
will show finger prints and also come off over time. Over
spraying is necessary.
I use a "wet chalk slurry" now. Almost always. I take some
chalk and scrape it to a powder into a small plastic container
(I prefer to use a model RR wheelset package cover). Then I
add water and a few drops of white glue (I use Krystal Klear
for this) and the smallest amount of kitchen detergent I can
put on the end of a toothpick (as a wetting agent). I mix
different colors of chalk (mostly "earth tones") until I get
the 'shade' I want (today). The white glue acts as a binder -
I use/prefer KK simply because it mixes in with the water so
much easier.
I apply the slurry to the model using an eye dropper and let
it flow ... and collect. Working just one 'face' of the model
at a time and letting them dry before changing faces. I have
been known to 'hurry' the drying process by using small pieces
of tissue and 'wicking/drawing off' the excess (just touch the
corner of a 1/2" square of tissue to the edge of the puddle).
With this process I do not 'need' to over spray and can
pretty much see what it will look like ... when the slurry
has evaporated out. If I have an un-prototypical clump of
chalk some where I just "rub it out" with my finger (after
it is fully dry!) ... always moving my finger in the 'down'
direction of the model.

There is -no- other weathering technique I like as well for
getting those clumps/concentrations of 'stuff' in the corners
and hollows. I especially like wet chalks on the roofs of
steam era freight cars. For the sides of the models I tend
to use washes of very thin weathering colors more these days.
That said - I also almost always do some weathering of
stuff like grabs and ladders by hand with a brush. And also
almost always do some washes (either acrylic or lacquer -
which have -very- different 'action' on the model!).

I always like to finish a model by over spraying what I call
a "blending coat" of weathering colors (darker on top, lighter
on the bottom). It de-emphasizes the individual techniques
(hand brush, chalk slurry, washes) and makes them 'work' (for
me). The last thing I do is almost always some kind of
dull coat ... if the model needs it. "No shiny new paint
jobs on -MY- freight cars!" YMMV.
- Jim

I think Styron is a kind of plastic or maybe a plastics manufacturer. Or perhaps William Styron was cheap and travelled by freight train to save money.


Jim Pickett

GUYZ,
 
 
           You can use cheap cosmetic colors from the ladies section if you like. I've used up the set my daughter had with good results. Some colors are very useful for streaking, or, staining on covered hoppers.  Let them dry for a couple days, then hit them with a dull finish to seal them.
Big box stores carry these sets, and are very cheap.
 
Fred Freitas

I've used pastel chalks (oil-based) for decades and never over-spray them
with Dullcote. However, I do my initial weathering with an airbrush, some
(such as sun-fading) when I initially air brush the model and the rest after
the decals have been applied and the car has been given a flat spray. I use
the pastels to provide additional color variations on the wheelsets and
trucks, on brake parts, and on other small details that I want to "pop" out
from the rest of the car. You can also use chalks to occasionally to
replicate lettering which has dissolved and starting to stain the side of
the car. I don't find a need to seal the car after applying this final
weathering since I don't handle my cars nor let anyone else do it and it is
limited to fine details. But, remember that most of the weathering (that
which would be most susceptible to handling) is done with an air brush.

A quick search on Amazon brought up a set of 36 Pentel oil-based chalks (the
same manufacturer of the set I use) which includes black, grey, white,
yellow, and rust (along with many others)...all the basic colors you need
for $10. Those chalks will give you and a friend enough chalk to last a
lifetime. I use a piece of sheet-rock metal sandpaper and scrape the chalks
onto it to create a pile of powder, saving each color of powder in a small
plastic 6-compartment storage box.

Bragdon Enterprises (www.bragdonent.com) sells some non-pastel materials
which a lot of modelers like. I have some but they are more expensive and I
like the fine control of the pastels better. But they might not be as
susceptible to coming off while handling.


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

--- In STMFC@..., Thomas Baker <bakert@...> wrote:

...I understand that the SOO LINE
historical and technical group published a two-part series on SOO LINE
sawtooth box cars. I have tried to obtain copies of the issues
featuring these articles but have learned that they are out of print.

If anyone out there has the two issues featuring the articles, I would
be happy to pay for a photocopy. I would like to do this car in S
scale, and the articles would be helpful for such a project.

Tom

Which articles are these? I should have them someplace, but... From what I recall, they are less than useful for modeling. There have been several articles about the Soo car fleet published over the years by the late Guy N. Keichefer (sp?). These are mostly a statistical analysis of the car fleet, using the totals of car types from various years ORERs. In one of the articles, Guy attempted to sort out the different details of the various groups of "sawtooth" boxcars and assign them a "type" code. This has fallen into disuse (if it was ever used at all) because more recently full builder and lot number information has come available that does a better job of explaining what is what than Guy's system. Guy's work was useful at the time it was published, but has subsequently been superseded by better information. None of the articles had darwings beyond the typical sketches found on equipment diagrams.

There are now drawings of almost all the different groups of cars. Some have been prepared from my field work and are awaiting publication, while others are the original Haskel & Barker drawings available from the Pullman Library of the Illinois Railway Museum. Why don't you take a look at the info I posted in the files area of the STMFPH list at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/Soo_%22Sawtooth%22_Primer/

Let me know (either on list or off) which group of cars you are interested in, and I will direct you to where drawings can be obtained.

Dennis

It's just a natural progression of Jim's age. First HO, then O, now 1:1.
His eyes are finally going... :)

Either that or he forgot to renew his support for SolidWorks...

Jim, nice work.

Mike Turner
Simpsonville, SC 29681





Hey, Mikey:



I just need reading glasses, so the eyes are still holding out J. I’ve made
1:1 parts on a few occasions and, of course, have been producing industrial
castings for several years. The Lawndale project was a natural for some
non-load bearing replicas. About ¼ the price of what metal castings would
have cost. All of the parts have been installed and unless I tell you which
ones are “fake”, you’d never know.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>





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Time is ticking away on the low hotel rate for the Central Ohio Prototype
Modelers Meet in Marion, Ohio, April 22 through 24. The $55.00 per night
Comfort Inn rate will expire on March 31st. Finalize your plans now to
attend. Event details can be reviewed on the website:
http://www.hansmanns.org/meet/

Registration is only $20. A portion of the registrations will be donated to
the Marion Union Station Association to assist with upkeep of this historic
depot. Click on the registration link at the web site to print out your
form.

Marion is a major point where busy CSX and Norfolk Southern lines cross.
Lots of prototype action outside and a wide range of prototype models and
presentations inside at the Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, April 22
to 24 in Marion, Ohio.

Feel free to email Denis Blake or Eric Hansmann with any questions:
dblake7@...
eric@...

Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Event Publicity Assistant

--- In STMFC@..., "laramielarry" <larryostresh@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone

Images of all the pages from a 1951 U.P. Freight Conductors' Train Book and an Excel file of its contents are available online at the Laramie Railroad Depot Association's website: www.laramiedepot.org Hover on "About" and choose "Train Books" to get to the appropriate viewing/downloading page. Here is a direct link:
http://www.laramiedepot.org/About/TrainBooks/tabid/75/Default.aspx

I started looking at these records this AM and already have a question. The very first train has 2 car loads of "styron". A check of the internet tells me he is "a writer born in 1925"; but for some reason, I doubt that's what's in these cars. A check of the rest of the records in the Excel file brought up no more loads of this type. Could someone tell me what "styron" is?

gary roe
quincy, illinois

Chris,
Myself and many others are having great success with Bragdon
weathering powders. I believe that the rust colors (3) are actually powdered rust,
anyway they all adhere nicely and there is a good array of colors. See
_www.bragdonent.com_ (http://www.bragdonent.com)
Chuck Hladik

The question about using inexpensive ladies makeup, eye shadow, rouge, I don't know exactly what--has been something I've wondered about, too. Perhaps someone out there has experience with this.

I have used weathering chalks and find them very satisfactory, but I add that component after the flat spray. I rub whatever hue or combination of hues is desired, and it seems to stay without further spraying.

I am not sure whether the chalks are oil-based. I obtained mine from a local art store.

Tom

Just a quick question about chalks for weathering.

What is available for weathering-chalks that don't disappear after a flat-spray, final cover?

I use chalks, but, just trying to perfect the methods.

I've heard the latest theories;
A - Flat spray the car.
B - "Over-weather" using oil-based chalks. (Work in heavily)
C - Final flat-spray. (Expect to lose some color intensity)

My local hobby-shop "guru" told me about buying, oil-based, ladies eye-make-up at the local "Dollar Store" for 2 dollars instead of the (same) high-priced, "commercial stuff". The set he had was all earth-tones. (Good, economic idea???)

Not trying to diminish the modeling-suppliers. If their stuff is best, then I'll use it. (Pricy though)

Thanks, Paul Hillman

Folks, we are approaching the last few days for folks to make their reservations at the Comfort Inn for the first ever Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet to be held April 22-24 at Marion Union Station. We have an regularly updated website for those interested in our meet. Please check it out at http://www.hansmanns.org/meet/index.htm

Denis Blake
Meet Organizer
Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet

Location: Strasburg PA Fire Company

203 W. Franklin St. Strasburg PA 17579

Saturday, April 10, 2010

Time 9:am to 1 pm

Admission $5. Wives and children under 17 free

Active military with ID FREE

Amish Style Cooking

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Table Holders will have a full table of merchandise until 1:00PM no early
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Table holders listed below;

John Dunn

George Eshbach

Joe Foehrkolb - Baldwin Forge

Joe Giannovario - O Scale Trains

Karl Geffchman - V&W Hobbies

Bob Heil - Sunset / Golden Gate Models

Bob Jones

Jim Kerner

Paul Kopp

Allen Landis

Bob / Karen Lavezzi

Tom Mapes

Don McFall - Old Line Graphics

Jack Mc Garry = Allegheny Scale Models

Roger Pasquale

Bill Pierson

Mike Rahilly - Just 2 Rails

Stan Richmond - Car Works

Brian Scace

Tom Shore

Jim Sycks

Attalee Taylor

Michael Williams

Rich Yoder - RY Models

Art Selby

Jim Hawk

John Hall - Estate of Raymond Hall

Beth Marshal Public Delivery Track

George Peckman

John Blanda

Chris Crane

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Marvin Nicholson

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--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Frank Greene asked:
"The next car behind BR&P 3656 is GA 8018. What type door is that?
Plug?"
http://www.shorpy.com/node/7941?size=_original

That's a Wagner door, the same type as the ones on the PRR Class XL
boxcars.


Ben Hom

In the second photo in this group of four there is a PRR Class XL with
its Wagner door; and of course opening to the left.

http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/hec.10147

Bob Witt

These links worked better for me.

U.S. CAPITOL. DOME FROM RAILROAD YARDS IN SOUTHEAST SECTION
digital file from original negative
http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/hec.10146
http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/hec.10147
http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/hec.10148
http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/hec.10149

Also these images appear to show just how "team tracks" were use in this
period. Notice in the last image a worker is unloading lumber from the
FEC boxcar.

Bob Witt
Indianapolis, Indiana

--- In STMFC@..., "Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi,

It appears this is only one photo in a sequence of four done at

approximately the same time and place. Multiple views of some of the

details can be seen.

See url's below.

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/hec2008007159/?sid=60600cde11707c1a59c4\;
98a05bcf3def

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/hec2008007160/?sid=60600cde11707c1a59c4\;
98a05bcf3def

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/hec2008007161/?sid=60600cde11707c1a59c4\;
98a05bcf3def

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/hec2008007162/?sid=60600cde11707c1a59c4\;
98a05bcf3def

- Claus Schlund



----- Original Message -----
From: "joel norman" mec-bml@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 6:38 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Fw: [BRPRy] BR & P boxcar #3656




--- On Sun, 3/28/10, hbutlerlists hbutlerlists@... wrote:


From: hbutlerlists hbutlerlists@...
Subject: [BRPRy] BR & P boxcar #3656
To: BRPRy@...
Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 1:09 PM






There is an good view of one side and the roof of boxcar #3656 in
Washington, D.C., in 1917 posted on Shorpy:

http://www.shorpy. com/node/ 7941?size= _original
<http://www.shorpy. com/node/ 7941?size= _original>

Not all the lettering is legible, but it is a nice in-service shot.

Harry Butler

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Yahoo! Groups Links

Frank Greene asked:
"The next car behind BR&P 3656 is GA 8018. What type door is that?
Plug?"
http://www.shorpy.com/node/7941?size=_original

That's a Wagner door, the same type as the ones on the PRR Class XL
boxcars.


Ben Hom

joel norman wrote:

There is an good view of one side and the roof of boxcar #3656 in
Washington, D.C., in 1917 posted on Shorpy:

<http://www.shorpy.com/node/7941?size=_original <http://www.shorpy.%20com/node/%207941?size=%20_original>>

The next car behind BR&P 3656 is GA 8018. What type door is that? Plug?

--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN

Even though the opening credits don't say so, the N&W movie appears to have many similarities with Roger Wade Productions railroad promo films of the 40's and 50's.

The theme of following a car of freight is the same as the 1948 CNJ promotional film, "The BIG little Railroad". The CNJ video doesn't include any shop footage, but has a goodly amount if in-cab videos (along with the same theme of maintenance and some "office" footage.

The stock music in the N&W film from the 50's contains some of the same stock music as in the CNJ film. I know I've heard the same stock music on another RR video, possibly off of Prelinger IIRC.

Like the N&W film, the CNJ film has many run-buys and is filled with good freight car shots in classic schemes, including quite a few Canadian cars on-line with the CNJ as well as a good number of non-east-coast roads.


Rob Mondichak

Just a warning. Apparently the catalog program I have used for years is shut down. As a result the market basket cannot send an email to me with the order attached. If you have ordered something in the last week or are planning to order, please order in one of 3 ways: mail, phone or attach the order to a regular email. I'm trying to work around the problem but may have to create an entirely new web site. - Al Westerfield