Hi Al,

You can reach Jim Kanclier at James.Kanclier@beale.af.mil.

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

That confirms my suspicion. Ed, thank you very much for your reply.
--Mike Kmetz

But the flyer also states they had 4/4 indented DN ends which do not appear on the car in question.

Jerry Glow

Brian wrote:

Ron; why did you paint the trucks, by your timeframe they were not to be painted?

The painting of truck sideframes and bolsters was never prohibited.

As per (1960) Interchange Rule 3, section (t), paragraph (3-d): Truck sideframes and truck bolsters may be coated with light bodied paint that will not prevent detection of flaws or cracks in ordinary inspection. Wheels must not be painted.

This provisions of this section were revised in 1958. Prior to that year the rule also stated that no heavy asphaltic, tar or cement base paint could be used. Sideframes and bolsters, new or used, so painted or those having accumulation of rust scale were to have all such paints or scale removed when receiving general repairs.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

Ron; why did you paint the trucks, by your timeframe they were not to be
painted.

I do have a pair of the correct trucks in inventory, so they've been painted
and are going on the car shortly. Thanks, Brian, for making stuff that
improves my modeling.





Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@yahoo.com

I would think so. According to Sunshine's flyer, the top hung door would put it in Rock Island's 140000-799 series.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

On Apr 18, 2010, at 4:11 PM, MichaelK wrote:

On page 37 of Wayners New York Central Cars is a Black and white
photograph of a box car in an unusual light color with dark lettering
and numbering. It is road number 64776. That would make it a Lot 736-B
car built by AC&F in 1945 (road numbers 64500-65499).
I think it was too early for one of those experimental aluminum cars,
and this lot was described as 50' 6" steel auto box car with 15' door
opening.

My question is – what color was this car? Was it possibly painted
primer gray temporarily for a builder's photo? If so it was probably
repainted in the standard freight car red with white lettering prior
to delivery to the railroad.

Mike Kmetz

Mike,
Car builder's sometimes took their builder's photos using a sample car
painted a light shade of gray and usually with black stencils. The NYC
64776 is one of these examples. This painting method tended to show the
details of the car much better than the production paint colors, which
for box cars was typically a shade of freight car red/freight car
brown. Paging through the various Car Builders' Cyclopedias during the
1920s to 1950s will find additional examples. I've also seen the same
practice used on numerous examples of gondola cars and hopper cars in
which the production cars were painted black with white stencils.

The ACF bill of materials for this order (lot number 2736, built 2-45)
stated the sides and ends were painted Sherwin-Williams Freight Car
Brown (there's even a paint sample on the back inside cover of the
document). The roof, underframe, and trucks were black. Stencils were
Snolite white, a reflective material. The ACF original bill of
materials for cars built in NYC Lot 736-B is available for review at
the St. Louis Mercantile Library.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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On page 37 of Wayners New York Central Cars is a Black and white photograph of a box car in an unusual light color with dark lettering and numbering. It is road number 64776. That would make it a Lot 736-B car built by AC&F in 1945 (road numbers 64500-65499).
I think it was too early for one of those experimental aluminum cars, and this lot was described as 50' 6" steel auto box car with 15' door opening.

My question is – what color was this car? Was it possibly painted primer gray temporarily for a builder's photo? If so it was probably repainted in the standard freight car red with white lettering prior to delivery to the railroad.

Mike Kmetz

Clark Propst wrote:

Yes, there was a transition through every decade.

Of course, Clark. But I think it was very extensive for covered hoppers during the 1950s, as I stated.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

Does anyone have a current phone number for James Kanclier? The email address I have must be out of date. - Al Westerfield

"but the use of covered hoppers both for chemicals and for grain
and feed rose sharply during the decade, so I believe 1950 would be
VERY different from 1960 for such cars." Tony Thompson

Yes, there was a transition through every decade.
Clark Propst

Eric, found a Soph Marty photo of one in a NKP frieght in the mid to late 50s. Train was being pulled by a Birkshire if that helps with the date?

Clark Propst

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From: cec19335 <cecoxjr@verizon.net>
Subject: [urbanmodelers_SIG] IHC closing down, going out of business.
To: urbanmodelers_SIG@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 4:17 PM


 




I just read on another Yahoo! Group, that IHC may be going out of business. Has anybody heard anything about this? I've used a considerable number of their rowhouse, and storefront shop kits, for my layout, along with the Boeing LRV's, and some of the Rivarossi oldtime coaches that I kitbashed into elevated cars.
C.E. Cox Jr.






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CLark,
The CB&Q moved silica sand from areas like Streator, IL, Ottawa, IL, Wedron, IL and Wyoming IL to name a few. Thier ACF covered hoppers had routing info that would direct thier return tothose cities. Decals for the routing info can be bought from Jerry Hamsmith. He uses Rail Graphics for printing and they work great.
HM Decals
1010 Johnston Dr.
Aurora, IL 60506
SCALE: HO
RAILROAD: CB&Q boxcars, hoppers, MoW,and L&M hopper
INFO: LSASE


I'll see what else I can dig up.

Rob Manley

Clark Propst wrote:

I'd like to know what the variety of roadnames on covered hoppers would be on a layout dated to the mid 50s.
I've always been under the impression that these cars were 'generally' in captive service (cement), but there were cars that would go off line carrying fertilizer products, or feed/food products.
So, what percentage of a layout fleet should be covered hoppers and what precentage of the covered hoppers should be home road?

I think your generalization is fine for the earliest part of the 1950s, but the use of covered hoppers both for chemicals and for grain and feed rose sharply during the decade, so I believe 1950 would be VERY different from 1960 for such cars. You said "mid 50s" and although I don't know enough about grain and feed shipping to know whether wheat was moving in CHs by then, certainly rice was doing so, and certainly chemical and fertilizer shipping was rising considerably. But cement would still have dominated the traffic, and as you say, that's relatively local. Cement is produced all over the country, and long-distance shipping of it rarely pays.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

Hi guys



I've been off-line for a while (and remain so), but a friend sent me this
email referencing a substantial collection of railroad information at the
University of Southern Mississippi. The link provided gets me a 404, but
perseverance finds the stuff. Some seems very (VERY!) local, other stuff
seems more generally interesting.



I'm forwarding this as I know there are those who love to dig in the musty
old paper in archives.


SGL



Subject: Vast Historic Railroad Research Collection at UofSM
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:58:40 -0400

In early 2005, I was looking for historical information on the Sharpsville
Railroad, an 18-mile carrier that operated here in western Pennsylvania,
from 1876 until abandoned in 1929. Much to my astonishment, some of the
best and most extensive material I have ever found on this obscure, little
PA pike 'turned up' in, of all places, the McCain Library and Archives at
The University of Southern Mississippi Libraries Special Collections...in
Hattiesburg, MS! And, what a collection it is!

Naturally, they have boxes upon boxes of files on the big Class I railroads,
but they also have files on a myriad of obscure railroad names of which I
haven't even heard. The following list is just a TINY sampling of the many
esoteric, rail-related files and photos from all over the continent (far
from Mississippi) that are housed in boxed folders in these archives. I
have intentionally selected some representative file titles that will
undoubtedly 'grab the attention' of certain people copied.

Since records in this collection were secured primarily from the Association
of American Railroads, much of this material is likely also be available
elsewhere (Hagley Museum?). Still, I have never gotten the on-line search
'hits' for the lesser roads like I have for UofSM's collection. They must
be ahead of others in getting their collection out where search engines can
'see' them.

My experience with the people at USM was most pleasant. The library's
page-copying prices seemed reasonable and the procedures were
straightforward. Photographs were not part of my SRR request, so I have no
experience with how that process works at UofSM.
http://www.lib.usm.edu/legacy/archives/m169ndx01.htm
<http://www.lib.usm.edu/legacy/archives/m169ndx01..htm>

Collection Title: Railroad Collection
Collection Number: M169
Dates: ca. 1850 - 1967
Volume: 535 cubic feet
Restrictions: Available for research use by the serious student and scholar.

File 9: Bellefonte Central Railroad - Grading Data
Folders 15-22: Development Costs - Oregon-Washington RR & Navigation Company
File A-26-42: Grand Trunk Milwaukee Car Ferry
File 465: Testimony and Photos Re: Shrinkage of Ballast on the Pennsylvania
Railroad (1927)
File A-63-9: Tampa Union Station Company
File 147-4: Order No. 15100: Depreciation Charges of Steam Railroad
Companies (1934)
File 657: First Electric Street Cars in the United States
Folder 15: Commission's Report Re: Los Angeles & Salt Lake RR Co. (July 7,
1925)
File A-52-18: Philadelphia & Beach Haven Railroad
File 148: Price Data of Locomotives Obtained From American Locomotive
Company (1917)
File A-64-7: Texas Mexican Railway Company
File A-67-15: Waukegan, Rock Ford & Elgin Traction Company
File A-24-27: Fulton Chain Railway Company
File 58: Pere Marquette Railway (Photos included)
File 702: Lands, Rights-of-Way, Terminals: Methods and Principles of
Valuation
File A-58-28: St. Louis Merchant's Bridge Terminal Company
File 5035: Bibliography - Canadian Railways - Commission
File 9: Lehigh & New England Railroad - Grading Data
Boxes G 29 Through G 33: Gulf, Mobile & Northern Railroad - Oversize
Materials
File A-62-2: Sharpsville Railroad
File 366: Railroads Strive for Air Line to West (Mar. 21, 1926)
File 9: Canton-Bayard Line - Grading Photos & Data
File A-66-34: Virginia & Truckee Railway
File A-51-1: Pennsylvania & Atlantic Railroad
File 206: The Railroad Problem: A Suggestion (1919)
File 199: Two Years of Faulty Taxation and the Result (1920)
File A-42-7: Monongahela Connecting Railway
File 308: Address by L. F. Loree (Dec. 4, 1924)
Folder 29: Montana Eastern & Great Northern Railways (Exhibit No. 46)
File A-65-2: Toledo, Saginaw & Muskegon Railway
File A-36-1: Louisville & Jefferson Bridge Company
Folders 86-90: Tigrett, I.B. - President of G..M.&N. RR (1929-33)
File 9: Akron, Canton & Youngstown Ry.. Co. - Grading Data
File 9: Bessemer & Lake Erie Railroad - Grading Data
File 238: Grand Trunk Arbitration (Sept. 1921)
File 52: New York Central RR - North Toledo Yard (photos incl.)
File 369: The Girard Letter, "Railroad Consolidation Act of 1926" (March
1926)
File A-7-21: Birmingham, Columbus & St. Andrews RR Co.
Folder 34: Virginian & Virginian Terminal Railways
Boxes M 119 - M 125: Field Survey Books: Pearl & Leaf River Railroad,
Mississippi Central Railroad, and Natchez & Eastern Railroad
Folders 12-13: Pittsburgh/Chicago District - Land Acquisitions
File A-39-22: Minneapolis, Red Lake & Manitoba Railway
File 517: NY, Ontario & Western Railway Co. vs. USA:Order to Show Cause
(March 9, 1926)

Cindy Lawler
Archive Specialist
The University of Southern Mississippi
McCain Library and Archives
118 College Drive, #5148
Hattiesburg, MS 39406
Phone: 601-266-4348
Fax: 601-266-6269









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I'd like to know what the variety of roadnames on covered hoppers would be on a layout dated to the mid 50s.

I've always been under the impression that these cars were 'generally' in captive service (cement), but there were cars that would go off line carrying fertilizer products, or feed/food products.

So, what percentage of a layout fleet should be covered hoppers and what precentage of the covered hoppers should be home road?

I think it's kind of like meat reefers, the farther away from the packinghouse they got the most likely they were to be with cars with other company logos.

Any thoughts documentation would be welcome.
Clark Propst

Bill,

Is this the Simpson from near San Francisco? If so, I think they are out of business as Russ Simpson has passed away a little while ago. They made a neat little T - square that I used a lot for lining up grab irons & getting things square.

Larry Wolohon

Group,

In my quest to reequip the entire railroad with Intermountain covered hoppers, I have a question about one of the paint schemes and was hoping someone has the information handy. C&EI painted hoppers shown at the link below have a reweigh with "DV 10-56" and a "BUILT 3-49". Is the paint scheme valid for an October, 1954 layout if I backdate the reweigh information? Thanks. (This is the opposite of the normal situation where IRC normally would have used "NEW 3-49" in the reweigh and I would have to move the date forward. It's good to know DV is a valid code for the C&EI.)

Eric Mumper

http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48672.htm

Frank Greene wrote:
"I wasn't sure whether this was a new requirement or the Southern decided to comply with an existing recommendation (i.e., they didn't use reporting marks, although the AAR had recommended them for years - they did letter SOUTHERN above the number, which apparently satisfied the other RRs)."

The AAR had an explicit statement that full road name WAS permitted in place of initials, at railroad discretion. We're all familiar that PRR did it for many years. Some others did too, such as Seaboard and SP, the latter only for a few years.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history