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Re: Covered hopper layout fleet was: Re: C&EI IRC covered hopper

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:
Yes, there was a transition through every decade.
Of course, Clark. But I think it was very extensive for covered hoppers during the 1950s, as I stated.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


James Kanclier

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Does anyone have a current phone number for James Kanclier? The email address I have must be out of date. - Al Westerfield


Covered hopper layout fleet was: Re: C&EI IRC covered hopper

Clark Propst
 

"but the use of covered hoppers both for chemicals and for grain
and feed rose sharply during the decade, so I believe 1950 would be
VERY different from 1960 for such cars." Tony Thompson

Yes, there was a transition through every decade.
Clark Propst


Re: C&EI IRC covered hopper

Clark Propst
 

Eric, found a Soph Marty photo of one in a NKP frieght in the mid to late 50s. Train was being pulled by a Birkshire if that helps with the date?

Clark Propst


Fw: [urbanmodelers_SIG] IHC closing down, going out of business.

joel norman <mec-bml@...>
 

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Subject: [urbanmodelers_SIG] IHC closing down, going out of business.
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Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 4:17 PM


 




I just read on another Yahoo! Group, that IHC may be going out of business. Has anybody heard anything about this? I've used a considerable number of their rowhouse, and storefront shop kits, for my layout, along with the Boeing LRV's, and some of the Rivarossi oldtime coaches that I kitbashed into elevated cars.
C.E. Cox Jr.






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Re: Covered hopper layout fleet was: Re: C&EI IRC covered hopper

Rob & Bev Manley
 

CLark,
The CB&Q moved silica sand from areas like Streator, IL, Ottawa, IL, Wedron, IL and Wyoming IL to name a few. Thier ACF covered hoppers had routing info that would direct thier return tothose cities. Decals for the routing info can be bought from Jerry Hamsmith. He uses Rail Graphics for printing and they work great.
HM Decals
1010 Johnston Dr.
Aurora, IL 60506
SCALE: HO
RAILROAD: CB&Q boxcars, hoppers, MoW,and L&M hopper
INFO: LSASE


I'll see what else I can dig up.

Rob Manley

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Subject: [STMFC] Covered hopper layout fleet was: Re: C&EI IRC covered hopper




I'd like to know what the variety of roadnames on covered hoppers would be on a layout dated to the mid 50s.

I've always been under the impression that these cars were 'generally' in captive service (cement), but there were cars that would go off line carrying fertilizer products, or feed/food products.

So, what percentage of a layout fleet should be covered hoppers and what precentage of the covered hoppers should be home road?

I think it's kind of like meat reefers, the farther away from the packinghouse they got the most likely they were to be with cars with other company logos.

Any thoughts documentation would be welcome.
Clark Propst


Re: Covered hopper layout fleet was: Re: C&EI IRC covered hopper

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:
I'd like to know what the variety of roadnames on covered hoppers would be on a layout dated to the mid 50s.
I've always been under the impression that these cars were 'generally' in captive service (cement), but there were cars that would go off line carrying fertilizer products, or feed/food products.
So, what percentage of a layout fleet should be covered hoppers and what precentage of the covered hoppers should be home road?
I think your generalization is fine for the earliest part of the 1950s, but the use of covered hoppers both for chemicals and for grain and feed rose sharply during the decade, so I believe 1950 would be VERY different from 1960 for such cars. You said "mid 50s" and although I don't know enough about grain and feed shipping to know whether wheat was moving in CHs by then, certainly rice was doing so, and certainly chemical and fertilizer shipping was rising considerably. But cement would still have dominated the traffic, and as you say, that's relatively local. Cement is produced all over the country, and long-distance shipping of it rarely pays.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


FW: Vast Historic Railroad Research Collection at UofSM

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Hi guys



I've been off-line for a while (and remain so), but a friend sent me this
email referencing a substantial collection of railroad information at the
University of Southern Mississippi. The link provided gets me a 404, but
perseverance finds the stuff. Some seems very (VERY!) local, other stuff
seems more generally interesting.



I'm forwarding this as I know there are those who love to dig in the musty
old paper in archives.


SGL



Subject: Vast Historic Railroad Research Collection at UofSM
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:58:40 -0400

In early 2005, I was looking for historical information on the Sharpsville
Railroad, an 18-mile carrier that operated here in western Pennsylvania,
from 1876 until abandoned in 1929. Much to my astonishment, some of the
best and most extensive material I have ever found on this obscure, little
PA pike 'turned up' in, of all places, the McCain Library and Archives at
The University of Southern Mississippi Libraries Special Collections...in
Hattiesburg, MS! And, what a collection it is!

Naturally, they have boxes upon boxes of files on the big Class I railroads,
but they also have files on a myriad of obscure railroad names of which I
haven't even heard. The following list is just a TINY sampling of the many
esoteric, rail-related files and photos from all over the continent (far
from Mississippi) that are housed in boxed folders in these archives. I
have intentionally selected some representative file titles that will
undoubtedly 'grab the attention' of certain people copied.

Since records in this collection were secured primarily from the Association
of American Railroads, much of this material is likely also be available
elsewhere (Hagley Museum?). Still, I have never gotten the on-line search
'hits' for the lesser roads like I have for UofSM's collection. They must
be ahead of others in getting their collection out where search engines can
'see' them.

My experience with the people at USM was most pleasant. The library's
page-copying prices seemed reasonable and the procedures were
straightforward. Photographs were not part of my SRR request, so I have no
experience with how that process works at UofSM.
http://www.lib.usm.edu/legacy/archives/m169ndx01.htm
<http://www.lib.usm.edu/legacy/archives/m169ndx01..htm>

Collection Title: Railroad Collection
Collection Number: M169
Dates: ca. 1850 - 1967
Volume: 535 cubic feet
Restrictions: Available for research use by the serious student and scholar.

File 9: Bellefonte Central Railroad - Grading Data
Folders 15-22: Development Costs - Oregon-Washington RR & Navigation Company
File A-26-42: Grand Trunk Milwaukee Car Ferry
File 465: Testimony and Photos Re: Shrinkage of Ballast on the Pennsylvania
Railroad (1927)
File A-63-9: Tampa Union Station Company
File 147-4: Order No. 15100: Depreciation Charges of Steam Railroad
Companies (1934)
File 657: First Electric Street Cars in the United States
Folder 15: Commission's Report Re: Los Angeles & Salt Lake RR Co. (July 7,
1925)
File A-52-18: Philadelphia & Beach Haven Railroad
File 148: Price Data of Locomotives Obtained From American Locomotive
Company (1917)
File A-64-7: Texas Mexican Railway Company
File A-67-15: Waukegan, Rock Ford & Elgin Traction Company
File A-24-27: Fulton Chain Railway Company
File 58: Pere Marquette Railway (Photos included)
File 702: Lands, Rights-of-Way, Terminals: Methods and Principles of
Valuation
File A-58-28: St. Louis Merchant's Bridge Terminal Company
File 5035: Bibliography - Canadian Railways - Commission
File 9: Lehigh & New England Railroad - Grading Data
Boxes G 29 Through G 33: Gulf, Mobile & Northern Railroad - Oversize
Materials
File A-62-2: Sharpsville Railroad
File 366: Railroads Strive for Air Line to West (Mar. 21, 1926)
File 9: Canton-Bayard Line - Grading Photos & Data
File A-66-34: Virginia & Truckee Railway
File A-51-1: Pennsylvania & Atlantic Railroad
File 206: The Railroad Problem: A Suggestion (1919)
File 199: Two Years of Faulty Taxation and the Result (1920)
File A-42-7: Monongahela Connecting Railway
File 308: Address by L. F. Loree (Dec. 4, 1924)
Folder 29: Montana Eastern & Great Northern Railways (Exhibit No. 46)
File A-65-2: Toledo, Saginaw & Muskegon Railway
File A-36-1: Louisville & Jefferson Bridge Company
Folders 86-90: Tigrett, I.B. - President of G..M.&N. RR (1929-33)
File 9: Akron, Canton & Youngstown Ry.. Co. - Grading Data
File 9: Bessemer & Lake Erie Railroad - Grading Data
File 238: Grand Trunk Arbitration (Sept. 1921)
File 52: New York Central RR - North Toledo Yard (photos incl.)
File 369: The Girard Letter, "Railroad Consolidation Act of 1926" (March
1926)
File A-7-21: Birmingham, Columbus & St. Andrews RR Co.
Folder 34: Virginian & Virginian Terminal Railways
Boxes M 119 - M 125: Field Survey Books: Pearl & Leaf River Railroad,
Mississippi Central Railroad, and Natchez & Eastern Railroad
Folders 12-13: Pittsburgh/Chicago District - Land Acquisitions
File A-39-22: Minneapolis, Red Lake & Manitoba Railway
File 517: NY, Ontario & Western Railway Co. vs. USA:Order to Show Cause
(March 9, 1926)

Cindy Lawler
Archive Specialist
The University of Southern Mississippi
McCain Library and Archives
118 College Drive, #5148
Hattiesburg, MS 39406
Phone: 601-266-4348
Fax: 601-266-6269









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Covered hopper layout fleet was: Re: C&EI IRC covered hopper

Clark Propst
 

I'd like to know what the variety of roadnames on covered hoppers would be on a layout dated to the mid 50s.

I've always been under the impression that these cars were 'generally' in captive service (cement), but there were cars that would go off line carrying fertilizer products, or feed/food products.

So, what percentage of a layout fleet should be covered hoppers and what precentage of the covered hoppers should be home road?

I think it's kind of like meat reefers, the farther away from the packinghouse they got the most likely they were to be with cars with other company logos.

Any thoughts documentation would be welcome.
Clark Propst


Re: CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL NEEDED

Larry Wolohon
 

Bill,

Is this the Simpson from near San Francisco? If so, I think they are out of business as Russ Simpson has passed away a little while ago. They made a neat little T - square that I used a lot for lining up grab irons & getting things square.

Larry Wolohon

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Does anyone know if SIMPSON PRODUCTS still offers their scale brass
strips? In particular i'm looking for HO Scale .006 X 2 scale
inches.
Also who might be carrying this item?

Thanks in advance.

Bill Pardie

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C&EI IRC covered hopper

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

In my quest to reequip the entire railroad with Intermountain covered hoppers, I have a question about one of the paint schemes and was hoping someone has the information handy. C&EI painted hoppers shown at the link below have a reweigh with "DV 10-56" and a "BUILT 3-49". Is the paint scheme valid for an October, 1954 layout if I backdate the reweigh information? Thanks. (This is the opposite of the normal situation where IRC normally would have used "NEW 3-49" in the reweigh and I would have to move the date forward. It's good to know DV is a valid code for the C&EI.)

Eric Mumper

http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48672.htm


Re: AAR Mechanical Designation Requirement

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Frank Greene wrote:
"I wasn't sure whether this was a new requirement or the Southern decided to comply with an existing recommendation (i.e., they didn't use reporting marks, although the AAR had recommended them for years - they did letter SOUTHERN above the number, which apparently satisfied the other RRs)."
The AAR had an explicit statement that full road name WAS permitted in place of initials, at railroad discretion. We're all familiar that PRR did it for many years. Some others did too, such as Seaboard and SP, the latter only for a few years.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL NEEDED

Jack Burgess
 

Coronado Hobbies carried it but I purchased a lot of the remaining supply a
few months ago. You might call them and see if they got anymore in after
they filled my order. (602-254-9656) They are the only ones who stocked it
as far as I know...


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


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CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL NEEDED

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Does anyone know if SIMPSON PRODUCTS still offers their scale brass
strips? In particular i'm looking for HO Scale .006 X 2 scale
inches.
Also who might be carrying this item?

Thanks in advance.


Bill Pardie


Re: GHQ Reefer

Bryan Busséy
 

They did travel on the Pennsylvania, although I don't know if they
frequented the Middle Division. They were in interchange service and
frequently traveled to New York and Chicago. There also are documented
photographs of the cars in Florida, Texas, Ohio, Missouri, Nebraska,
Wyoming, Nevada and California. So there is evidence that they roamed far
from their Canadian and New England stomping grounds. So these models would
not be out of place on most N scale mid-20th century era layouts.

bb

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What is the likelihood that CNR 8-Hatch Reefers would appear in some
quantity in the PRR's Middle Division in the mid-50s or, for that matter,
anywhere in Pennsylvania? The reason for the question is that GHQ has made
available a new n scale model kit of the reefer which looks quite nice but,
on first blush, doesn't look like it would fit my location or timeframe.
Detailed info on the car can be seen at http://www.ghqmodel
<http://www.ghqmodels.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3597&view=previous&sid=8cdea
eec6205f5e5ec2748abb08dc651.>
s.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3597&view=previous&sid=8cdeaeec6205f5e5ec2748abb
08dc651.

Don Mackintosh






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Re: Freight car Distribution

Armand Premo
 

Why are we overlooking the sales forces?Armand Premo

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Freight car Distribution



Aley, Jeff A wrote:
> Tony Thompson can answer better than I can. But if I
> understood his clinic correctly, the Agent wrote the empty car order
> and waybill BEFORE the car was spotted for loading. So the waybill,
> with the car # typed on it, was already completed.

Paul Koehler answered this clearly. I can add this: the
empty car bill was filled out by the yard forces that SENT it to be
loaded, in response (as you say) to an order for an empty car. The
shipper almost always filled out a bill of lading, which gave
particulars of the load and destination. The agent could THEN complete
a waybill, but this was by no means a final piece of paperwork. Agents
were not experts in tariffs or even (many times) in routing, and that
part of the waybill would likely be adjusted by knowledgeable car
clerks farther along in the process. The weight might not be known, if
the car was to be weighed after loading; and as mentioned, loading
multiple cars would require all the waybills to OMIT car initials and
number until that information was available. That might be when the
local came back by the depot after pulling the cars.

> Therefore, I conclude that if the industry randomly loads the
> car, the paperwork would have to be changed.

Oh, yes, paperwork could be and was changed all the time.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: GHQ Reefers

Michael Livingston <livingston@...>
 

Hello Don,

The short answer is very likely.

I have a photo showing Pittsburgh yard in 1947 with what looks like a CP 8-hatch reefer way in the rear. These cars are pretty easy to spot even at a distance if you can see the hatches or rooflines.

And I know the Pennsy had a large interchange point with the CNR at Buffalo/Black Rock/Fort Erie where twice daily transfers were made (means I need a GHQ L-1 for 1948 and a pair of F3s for my 1956 interchange scenes!). CN-3 included perishable traffic that was re-iced at Ebenezer (at least in 1954).

I do not know the Middle Division, but if you had through trains going into New York or New Jersey, you had whitefish shipments from northern Alberta going to NYC in these cars. By the mid 50s CN and CP had ammassed a couple thousand of these reefer types.

I am hoping that more photos and wheeler reports will appear to provide more transit details for these shipments.

Best regards,
Michael Livingston

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "solosdad" <donmack81@...> wrote:

What is the likelihood that CNR 8-Hatch Reefers would appear in some quantity in the PRR's Middle Division in the mid-50s or, for that matter, anywhere in Pennsylvania? The reason for the question is that GHQ has made available a new n scale model kit of the reefer which looks quite nice but, on first blush, doesn't look like it would fit my location or timeframe. Detailed info on the car can be seen at http://www.ghqmodels.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3597&view=previous&sid=8cdeaeec6205f5e5ec2748abb08dc651.


Don Mackintosh


Re: GHQ Reefer

Ross McLeod <cdnrailmarine@...>
 

Message 86579 spoke to these cars handling frozen fish into the New England states as well there are other messages including I believe a reference to the same service to a CA destinations. RMC had a interesting series on these and the CPR cars a number of years ago. I don't however recall specific mention of PA. Ross McLeod Calgary


 

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Burning boxcar photo help

frograbbit602
 

All, In Morning Sun Book, Rock Island Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment on page 34 there is a photo of a burning boxcar. I believe it is a XM-1 boxcar design based on pratt truss and end design.
Is it an XM-1?
Lester Breuer


GHQ Reefer

Don Mackintosh
 

What is the likelihood that CNR 8-Hatch Reefers would appear in some quantity in the PRR's Middle Division in the mid-50s or, for that matter, anywhere in Pennsylvania? The reason for the question is that GHQ has made available a new n scale model kit of the reefer which looks quite nice but, on first blush, doesn't look like it would fit my location or timeframe. Detailed info on the car can be seen at http://www.ghqmodels.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3597&view=previous&sid=8cdeaeec6205f5e5ec2748abb08dc651.


Don Mackintosh

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