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CB&Q HS

Brian Carlson
 

Is anyone on here a member of or know a member of the CB&Q Historical
society? I have tried contacting them through their website regarding a
purchase I would like to make for back issues that involve steam era freight
cars. However, I have received a response. I tried for awhile last year
also, then gave up. I am trying again. The website was last updated April
2009 so I want to confirm the issue I want are still available.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...


PRRT&HS

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

We will be at the annual meeting the weekend after next. If you want us to bring any older kits for you let me know by this Saturday. - Al Westerfield


Re: AAR Mechanical Designation Requirement

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bob Karig wrote:
This is terrific information. I searched all over while I was writing my book trying to find a reference or citation that allowed the PRR and others to substitute their name for their reporting marks. The closest I ever came was that roads could place their name or initials above the horizontal bar, but that the reporting marks were required below the horizontal bar.

Do you have a reference or citation I can turn to?
I will have to dig it out. I collected a lot of the MCB and ARA proceedings from Railway Age when researching my SP freight car books, and will have to go into those files and find it. I was intrigued when I came across it, because I'd wondered why some railroads were able to do that.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Signals - hardware drawings

cornbeltroute <cornbeltroute@...>
 

I'm collecting drawings of signaling hardware (1950s, preferably) whenever I find them. Model Train Index lists 729 entries under "signal." I'll peruse them.

In the meantime, if anyone can point to drawing resources for signal hardware, I'd appreciate the heads-up.

Thanks much,

Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa


Re: IM ATSF Cabose kit

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I had ordered a few of these from an on line company but haven't heard from them. I called today and IM told me the second run of these had already come and gone. Is this correct as I know sometimes information from IM can be ???????

--
Jon Miller


Re: AAR Mechanical Designation Requirement

bob_karig <karig@...>
 

Tony,

This is terrific information. I searched all over while I was writing my book trying to find a reference or citation that allowed the PRR and others to substitute their name for their reporting marks. The closest I ever came was that roads could place their name or initials above the horizontal bar, but that the reporting marks were required below the horizontal bar.

Do you have a reference or citation I can turn to?

Thanks,

Bob Karig


The AAR had an explicit statement that full road name WAS

permitted in place of initials, at railroad discretion. We're all
familiar that PRR did it for many years. Some others did too, such as Seaboard and SP, the latter only for a few years.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA


Re: Burning Box Car photo help

frograbbit602
 

Brian and Jerry,
Thanks for your comments regarding the RI buning boxcar photo.
Lester Breuer


Eighth NE Proto Meet is June 4-5 in Connecticut

Dave Owens
 

Greetings all:

The Eighth New England/Northeast Prototype Meet is Friday and
Saturday, June 4-5 (the weekend after Memorial Day) at the Canton
Community Center, 40 Dyer
Ave., Collinsville, Connecticut. This year's event is an NMRA
sponsored event. There will be layout open houses on Sunday.

Also, this year we've teamed up with Craftsman Structure Show, an
incredible event scheduled for Nov. 10-13 in Mansfield, Mass. People
planning to attend the NE Proto Meet who preregister for the Craftsman
Structure Show by May 15 will be able to attend the CSS Spring Tour,
June 2-3,which features some of New England's finest model railroads.
Details are available on our website and on the CSS website,
www.css2010.com.

At the NE Proto Meet, we are again benefiting from a group of
remarkably generous
clinicians who will share their skills and knowledge. We'll have a
tentative clinic list posted on our website in a day or so. A schedule
will follow. The web site is www.neprototypemeet.com. A registration
form is already posted there.

As with all protomeets, the model display is a key element. We urge
all attendees to bring models to share. There is no judging so please
don't be concerned you and your work will be held to some arbitrary
standard. Locomotives, rolling stock, structures, vehicles, etc., are
welcome.

We also have a terrific group of vendors and manufacturers who plan to
attend the meet, including Bob's Photo, Atlas Model Railroad Co.,
Branchline Trains, Rapido Trains, Sheepscot Scale Models, Funaro &
Camerlengo, Speedwitch Media, the Hobby Gallery, Shortline Products,
Rocket Express, Stella Scale Models, Time Machine Hobbies, and several
others.

The meet pre-registration fee is $25, the same it's been the past
several years. Registration at the door is $30.

We hope you can join us. Questions? Contact me at
neprotomeet@..., or at 860-233-0303..

Thanks,

Dave Owens and the NE Proto Meet Team

--
2010 New England/Northeast Prototype Modelers Meet
June 4-5, 2010 (Always the weekend after Memorial Day)
Collinsville, Connecticut
www.neprototypemeet.com


Re: Intermountain announces 70-ton bulkhead flat kit

Andy Carlson
 

Ron
That is why I put 56'3" in quotes, as that was what Intermountain printed in their announcements. Whatever they call this car, it has certainly been long awaited by many of us.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




________________________________


Wow, those rubber molds are getting really stretchy these days.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Andy Carlson <midcentury@ ...> wrote:

Intermountain <snip> also announced the Red Caboose HO "SP 56'3"" flat car available in <snip>


Re: Intermountain announces 70-ton bulkhead flat kit

mopacfirst
 

Wow, those rubber molds are getting really stretchy these days.

Actually, it's good timing since I was searching just yesterday for the SP flatcar with an eye to a kitbash or two, but all the usual places I looked had none.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Intermountain <snip> also announced the Red Caboose HO "SP 56'3"" flat car available in <snip>
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


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Intermountain announces 70-ton bulkhead flat kit

Andy Carlson
 

Intermountain has announced the soon to be available HO 70-ton flat car as a kit. They also announced the Red Caboose HO "SP 56'3"" flat car available in RTR 15956 renumbered scheme. Be sure to let your LHS know your wants! The Red Caboose SP flat has been unavailable for quite sometime, and maybe we will see the TOFCversion someday in our lifetime.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Painting Sideframes

Brian Carlson
 

Thanks Guy. I thought, going from memory, sideframes were not to be painted
starting in the later 40's. Is that when heavy asphaltic, tar or cement base

paint could no longer be used. When did that rule take effect?



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@...



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Guy
Wilber
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 3:14 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Painting Sideframes





Brian wrote:

Ron; why did you paint the trucks, by your timeframe they were not
to be painted?
The painting of truck sideframes and bolsters was never prohibited.

As per (1960) Interchange Rule 3, section (t), paragraph (3-d): Truck
sideframes and truck bolsters may be coated with light bodied paint
that will not prevent detection of flaws or cracks in ordinary
inspection. Wheels must not be painted.

This provisions of this section were revised in 1958. Prior to that
year the rule also stated that no heavy asphaltic, tar or cement base
paint could be used. Sideframes and bolsters, new or used, so painted
or those having accumulation of rust scale were to have all such
paints or scale removed when receiving general repairs.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: CGW 1934 X29

proto48er
 

Ron & Guy -

Missouri Pacific painted truck sideframes, wheels and couplers with a thin black paint as late as the 1940's and early 1950's. It is very hard to see the painted wheels in photos, since they are covered in grime on the outside by caked-on lube from the journals. However, if you have access to an MP car painted in the early 1950's, you can scrape off the grime and see that the wheels and axles were painted. Older MP cabooses also have this paint job.

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Trucks, and even couplers, in this era were frequently painted. I go by the photographic evidence. Later on, this would not have been the case, and unpainted (rust-covered) couplers are quite obvious in most photos, as are truck sideframes if the light is correct....


Re: Painting Sideframes

rwitt_2000
 

--- In STMFC@..., Guy Wilber <guycwilber@...> wrote:

Brian wrote:

Ron; why did you paint the trucks, by your timeframe they were not
to be painted?
The painting of truck sideframes and bolsters was never prohibited.

As per (1960) Interchange Rule 3, section (t), paragraph (3-d): Truck
sideframes and truck bolsters may be coated with light bodied paint
that will not prevent detection of flaws or cracks in ordinary
inspection. Wheels must not be painted.

This provisions of this section were revised in 1958. Prior to that
year the rule also stated that no heavy asphaltic, tar or cement base
paint could be used. Sideframes and bolsters, new or used, so painted
or those having accumulation of rust scale were to have all such
paints or scale removed when receiving general repairs.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

Yes, what Guy states was in Rule 3, section (t), paragraph (3-e) in the
January 1, 1952 edition. The portion about "Existing truck sides and
bolsters painted with heavy base paint ...", was in a "Note" below the
this entry.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: CGW 1934 X29

mopacfirst
 

Trucks, and even couplers, in this era were frequently painted. I go by the photographic evidence. Later on, this would not have been the case, and unpainted (rust-covered) couplers are quite obvious in most photos, as are truck sideframes if the light is correct. That's what I'm trying to match. The newer truck sideframe dies have had a much more realistic texture to them than the older ones, but still the shine of unpainted "engineering plastic", to use MR's famous term, and machined wheels, has to go before I put a car in service.

I paint the entire truck, then go back with a mix of black and rail brown and sometimes other colors to paint the wheel faces by hand. The weathering comes later, since I tend to airbrush rusty or dirty colors in groups of several cars. There is a stretch of track on the layout that I use to roll wheels back and forth, but I'm not overly concerned with getting the paint off of the wheel faces right away. It wears off quite nicely over time. The stretch of track that I use to wear the paint off does get a bright-boy treatment after I do this.

Most of what I'm modeling hadn't been painted since the mid-fifties at least, and in no-count branch lines there are a lot of cars lying around that aren't necessarily fully compliant as well as cars that no longer are legal in interchange service, so I often look to earlier iterations of current practice as opposed to the mid-sixties when the application of NDE began to be more rigorously applied.

Ron Merrick


--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Ron; why did you paint the trucks, by your timeframe they were not to be
painted.
<snip>


Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

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Re: James Kanclier

golden1014
 

Hi Al,

You can reach Jim Kanclier at James.Kanclier@....

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

--- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a current phone number for James Kanclier? The email address I have must be out of date. - Al Westerfield



Re: Light colored NYC box car

Mike Kmetz
 

That confirms my suspicion. Ed, thank you very much for your reply.
--Mike Kmetz

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:
Car builder's sometimes took their builder's photos using a sample car
painted a light shade of gray and usually with black stencils. The NYC
64776 is one of these examples.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Burning boxcar photo help

jerryglow2
 

But the flyer also states they had 4/4 indented DN ends which do not appear on the car in question.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:

I would think so. According to Sunshine's flyer, the top hung door would put it in Rock Island's 140000-799 series.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "frograbbit602" <frograbbit602@> wrote:

All, In Morning Sun Book, Rock Island Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment on page 34 there is a photo of a burning boxcar. I believe it is a XM-1 boxcar design based on pratt truss and end design.
Is it an XM-1?
Lester Breuer


Painting Sideframes

Guy Wilber
 

Brian wrote:

Ron; why did you paint the trucks, by your timeframe they were not to be painted?
The painting of truck sideframes and bolsters was never prohibited.

As per (1960) Interchange Rule 3, section (t), paragraph (3-d): Truck sideframes and truck bolsters may be coated with light bodied paint that will not prevent detection of flaws or cracks in ordinary inspection. Wheels must not be painted.

This provisions of this section were revised in 1958. Prior to that year the rule also stated that no heavy asphaltic, tar or cement base paint could be used. Sideframes and bolsters, new or used, so painted or those having accumulation of rust scale were to have all such paints or scale removed when receiving general repairs.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: CGW 1934 X29

Brian Carlson
 

Ron; why did you paint the trucks, by your timeframe they were not to be
painted.

I do have a pair of the correct trucks in inventory, so they've been painted
and are going on the car shortly. Thanks, Brian, for making stuff that
improves my modeling.





Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

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