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Re: 60-foot flat cars

Bruce Smith
 

On Apr 22, 2010, at 10:32 PM, buygonet wrote:

Andy:

Did Bill say whether or not they would have plastic or wood decks? I sure hope they are the plastic ones as the wood grain does not scale down on the wood wecks and the plactic ones look a 1000% better. What does everybody else think?

Paul C. Koehler
Paul,

This is one of those subjects that stirs up passions <VBG>. Given my propensity to model WWII era loads, I have a fair number of open top cars where the prototype had wood decks and the models have about an even mix of wood and plastic/resin decks (and even a brass deck or two). At events such as Cocoa Beach and Naperville, the decks that get the compliments are the wood decks. I prefer board by board construction, as it does not leave the obvious gaps between boards that either laser cutting or plastic/brass decks have to convey the impression of boards and prestaining gives some variation in color. I always sand the boards with 300 grit to remove as much visible grain as possible and I discard pieces with grain that is too obvious.

Regards
Bruce

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A.R.A Car Service Division

Bill Welch
 

Can someone explain what the role and responsibilities were of the A.R.A's Car Service Division, or point me to a resource that explains them?

Did they, for example, help a railroad secure enough auto cars or refrigerator cars when the need arose?

I tried a search of the archives and did not find anything helpful in answering this question.

Bill Welch


N.P. reefers

bill_d_goat
 

I have some Intermountain WWII era reefers, 90,000-90999 class, which are orange. Accurail has a new ad out for a three pack in the same number series in yellow.
Can anybody tell me which is correct, especially for 1943?
Thanks
Bill Williams


Re: 60-foot flat cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Paul Koehler wrote:
Did Bill say whether or not they would have plastic or wood decks? I sure hope they are the plastic ones as the wood grain does not scale down on the wood decks and the plastic ones look a 100% better. What does everybody else think?
Full agreement. I've struggled to try and weather "real" wood convincingly (and hide the huge grain), which I think is tough in HO scale. By comparison, I believe I can get a realistic darkening and grayness easily on a plastic deck, along with distressing it without creating immense "splinters" (which they would be if HO).

Tony Thompson
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937;
e-mail: thompson@signaturepress.com


Re: 60-foot flat cars

Andy Carlson
 

Paul, I agree with you almost 100% (I, by nature, never agree with anyone 100%!). I placed my order with Bill for only plastic deck versions, though Bill did not mention what version(s) would be available. I will ask,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





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From: buygonet <buygone@earthlink.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 8:32:26 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 60-foot flat cars


Andy:

Did Bill say whether or not they would have plastic or wood decks? I sure hope they are the plastic ones as the wood grain does not scale down on the wood wecks and the plactic ones look a 1000% better. What does everybody else think?

Paul C. Koehler

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Andy Carlson <midcentury@ ...> wrote:

Bill at Red Caboose informed me that he intends to run some SP F-70-7 flat car KITS this summer, with Accurail "Bettendorf" trucks. These kits have been hard to get the last few years. No word about their future availability as RTR from Intermountain (I did not ask).

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@ ...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:20:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 60-foot flat cars



Rich, Tony didn't say, so I will add -- I think the F-70-3 can be
kitbashed very readily using the Red Caboose F-70-7 flat cars as a
starting point. I recall Dan Smith saying he intended to do this.
I admit it's a pretty expensive kitbash!

Tim O'Connor

Richard Townsendt wrote:
I'm looking to model a 60-foot flat car with fishbelly sides. Can
anyone tell whether any of the following 60-footers from the Jan 59
ORER have such sides, and if there might be photos of any of them on
line somewhere:

SP 79825-79954
SP 580000-580121
Rich, the SP cars (Class F-70-3, built in 1942) did indeed have
fishbelly sides. I used photos of these cars in my Vol. 3 on SP
freight cars, and can send you scans off-list if you want. The second
group you list is the same F-70-3 cars, with the numbers they received
in the 1956 (and thereafter) system renumbering.

Tony Thompson



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Re: Burning boxcar photo help

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I remember struggling with deciding whether this one was a RI car, or not,
when we were picking slides for the book. In the end, we conclude that it
was a car from the RI series 140000- 140999 as shown in RP Cyc 18. There
are a number of matching spotting features and no real glaring
discrepancies. It would be nice to be able to see the trucks better in the
photo, but they look like the Dalman 2 levels that were on the RI cars.



It was such a cool shot and shows details in ways not normally seen as well
as illustrating the loose loading of coke in a boxcar.



Regards,

Steve Hile



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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
al_brown03
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:00 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Burning boxcar photo help





There were a lot of variations on the XM-1 design, in ends and roofs and
doors and other less visible features, to the point of discussion whether
certain cars are or aren't "true" XM-1s. Pat Wider discusses them in RP CYC
18, pp 31-56.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> com, Tim O'Connor
<timboconnor@...> wrote:

Lester

I thought all XM-1's had flat plate riveted ends. This car is from
Rock Island 140000-140999 built by AC&F in 1929 w/ dreadnaught ends
and a Murphy radial roof. The classic XM-1 had a peaked roof. I'll
admit in other respects it does look a lot like an XM-1.

Tim O'Connor


At 4/17/2010 10:02 AM Saturday, you wrote:
All, In Morning Sun Book, Rock Island Color Guide to Freight and
Passenger Equipment on page 34 there is a photo of a burning boxcar. I
believe it is a XM-1 boxcar design based on pratt truss and end design.
Is it an XM-1?
Lester Breuer


Re: Rock Island Modified 1937 AAR Boxcars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Intermountain did a batch of these cars for the Mid-Continent Region NMRA a
few years ago with 4 road numbers. The ones listed in the flyer do not
replicate at least the one that I have. We provided them with information
and they did a good job matching the lettering. As far as I know, they were
not in any kind of captive service, but rather rolling billboards for
general through freight service.



It is good to see some more in general circulation.



Regards,

Steve Hile



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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Brian J Carlson
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:53 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Rock Island Modified 1937 AAR Boxcars





Intermountain has announced some more Rock Island Modified 1937 AAR Boxcars,
link below. Since the Modified 1937 AAR cars comprised nearly 25% of the RI
Boxcar fleet in 1957 I wanted to add one to the layout. However these cars
are decorated in the "Ship Rocket Freight" scheme. I don't know much about
this scheme. When was it applied? Did it restrict the cars to any certain
service? Did it change the class from XM to AMP or XAP, approximately 56 of
the 3926 car fleet were so designated? Thanks.
http://www.imrcmode <http://www.imrcmodels.com/flyer287.htm>
ls.com/flyer287.htm

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@yahoo. <mailto:prrk41361%40yahoo.com> com


Re: 60-foot flat cars

Paul <buygone@...>
 

All:



I guess I should have spell checked my post before hitting send. Here is
what it should have said. "Did Bill say whether or not they would have
plastic or wood decks? I sure hope they are the plastic ones as the wood
grain does not scale down on the wood decks and the plastic ones look a 100%
better. What does everybody else think?



Paul C. Koehler






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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
buygonet
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:32 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 60-foot flat cars





Andy:

Did Bill say whether or not they would have plastic or wood decks? I sure
hope they are the plastic ones as the wood grain does not scale down on the
wood wecks and the plactic ones look a 1000% better. What does everybody
else think?

Paul C. Koehler

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> com, Andy Carlson
<midcentury@...> wrote:

Bill at Red Caboose informed me that he intends to run some SP F-70-7 flat
car KITS this summer, with Accurail "Bettendorf" trucks. These kits have
been hard to get the last few years. No word about their future availability
as RTR from Intermountain (I did not ask).

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





________________________________
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:20:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 60-foot flat cars



Rich, Tony didn't say, so I will add -- I think the F-70-3 can be
kitbashed very readily using the Red Caboose F-70-7 flat cars as a
starting point. I recall Dan Smith saying he intended to do this.
I admit it's a pretty expensive kitbash!

Tim O'Connor

Richard Townsendt wrote:
I'm looking to model a 60-foot flat car with fishbelly sides. Can
anyone tell whether any of the following 60-footers from the Jan 59
ORER have such sides, and if there might be photos of any of them on
line somewhere:

SP 79825-79954
SP 580000-580121
Rich, the SP cars (Class F-70-3, built in 1942) did indeed have
fishbelly sides. I used photos of these cars in my Vol. 3 on SP
freight cars, and can send you scans off-list if you want. The second
group you list is the same F-70-3 cars, with the numbers they received
in the 1956 (and thereafter) system renumbering.

Tony Thompson





Re: 60-foot flat cars

buygonet <buygone@...>
 

Andy:

Did Bill say whether or not they would have plastic or wood decks? I sure hope they are the plastic ones as the wood grain does not scale down on the wood wecks and the plactic ones look a 1000% better. What does everybody else think?

Paul C. Koehler

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Bill at Red Caboose informed me that he intends to run some SP F-70-7 flat car KITS this summer, with Accurail "Bettendorf" trucks. These kits have been hard to get the last few years. No word about their future availability as RTR from Intermountain (I did not ask).

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





________________________________
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, April 5, 2010 7:20:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 60-foot flat cars



Rich, Tony didn't say, so I will add -- I think the F-70-3 can be
kitbashed very readily using the Red Caboose F-70-7 flat cars as a
starting point. I recall Dan Smith saying he intended to do this.
I admit it's a pretty expensive kitbash!

Tim O'Connor

Richard Townsendt wrote:
I'm looking to model a 60-foot flat car with fishbelly sides. Can
anyone tell whether any of the following 60-footers from the Jan 59
ORER have such sides, and if there might be photos of any of them on
line somewhere:

SP 79825-79954
SP 580000-580121
Rich, the SP cars (Class F-70-3, built in 1942) did indeed have
fishbelly sides. I used photos of these cars in my Vol. 3 on SP
freight cars, and can send you scans off-list if you want. The second
group you list is the same F-70-3 cars, with the numbers they received
in the 1956 (and thereafter) system renumbering.

Tony Thompson





Re: Burning boxcar photo help

frograbbit602
 

Al and Tim,
Thank You for your information for the RI burning boxcar photo.
Lester Breuer


Other Interesting Google Books

railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
 

While looking for ORER's on Google Books I found some other interesting periodicals:

Official Freight Classifications - Has anything and everything that could be shipped by rail with classifications. Editions from 1912 to 1916

Railway Line Clearances and Car Dimensions - Has listing by railroads on maximum car size and weight. Also has numerous drawings on properly securing loads. Editions from 1897 to 1919

Richard Wilkens


Re: info wanted

rgmodels@...
 

Am looking for info on a DL&W box car, 1907, that was wrecked on the Sierra
Railway in 1916. Was built into SRR caboose #6. The box car had a steel
lunderframe.

What I need is info on the steel underframe on this type of car.

eric


Re: Burning boxcar photo help

al_brown03
 

There were a lot of variations on the XM-1 design, in ends and roofs and doors and other less visible features, to the point of discussion whether certain cars are or aren't "true" XM-1s. Pat Wider discusses them in RP CYC 18, pp 31-56.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Lester

I thought all XM-1's had flat plate riveted ends. This car is from
Rock Island 140000-140999 built by AC&F in 1929 w/ dreadnaught ends
and a Murphy radial roof. The classic XM-1 had a peaked roof. I'll
admit in other respects it does look a lot like an XM-1.

Tim O'Connor


At 4/17/2010 10:02 AM Saturday, you wrote:
All, In Morning Sun Book, Rock Island Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment on page 34 there is a photo of a burning boxcar. I believe it is a XM-1 boxcar design based on pratt truss and end design.
Is it an XM-1?
Lester Breuer


Re: Burning boxcar photo help

Tim O'Connor
 

Lester

I thought all XM-1's had flat plate riveted ends. This car is from
Rock Island 140000-140999 built by AC&F in 1929 w/ dreadnaught ends
and a Murphy radial roof. The classic XM-1 had a peaked roof. I'll
admit in other respects it does look a lot like an XM-1.

Tim O'Connor

At 4/17/2010 10:02 AM Saturday, you wrote:
All, In Morning Sun Book, Rock Island Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment on page 34 there is a photo of a burning boxcar. I believe it is a XM-1 boxcar design based on pratt truss and end design.
Is it an XM-1?
Lester Breuer


Re: Rock Island Modified 1937 AAR Boxcars

mopacfirst
 

According to the RI Color Guide, this is a repaint that dates to 1949, which would have likely been the first repaint for these 1940-42 built cars. That blurb, on p. 35, says at least 150 were done.

I never saw one live - my hunch is that by early 60s most were repainted. If you model 1957, there could be one that would be dirty but not as worn as the one in the book. But it would likely be lost among the plainer ones.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J Carlson" <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Intermountain has announced some more Rock Island Modified 1937 AAR Boxcars,
link below. Since the Modified 1937 AAR cars comprised nearly 25% of the RI
Boxcar fleet in 1957 I wanted to add one to the layout. However these cars
are decorated in the "Ship Rocket Freight" scheme. I don't know much about
this scheme. When was it applied? Did it restrict the cars to any certain
service? Did it change the class from XM to AMP or XAP, approximately 56 of
the 3926 car fleet were so designated? Thanks.
http://www.imrcmodels.com/flyer287.htm

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...


Rock Island Modified 1937 AAR Boxcars

Brian Carlson
 

Intermountain has announced some more Rock Island Modified 1937 AAR Boxcars,
link below. Since the Modified 1937 AAR cars comprised nearly 25% of the RI
Boxcar fleet in 1957 I wanted to add one to the layout. However these cars
are decorated in the "Ship Rocket Freight" scheme. I don't know much about
this scheme. When was it applied? Did it restrict the cars to any certain
service? Did it change the class from XM to AMP or XAP, approximately 56 of
the 3926 car fleet were so designated? Thanks.
http://www.imrcmodels.com/flyer287.htm

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@yahoo.com


Re: HELP NEDED ON CORRECT TRUCKS

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 21, 2010, at 11:35 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

My freight car modeling began in earnest with Ambroid and Quality
Craft kits. Several of these cars still look great o the railroad
today. Back then
when it came to trucks you chose between Kadee Bettendorf and Kadee
Andrews. Life was simple. There are two cars from this era that I
want to upgrade. The couplers will be changed to Kadee78's. The
trucks I hope to defer to your expertise. The cars are:

Denver And Rio Grande Boxcar This is a 40 foot car numbered
67400.It is unique in that it has closely spaced vertical ribs and a
9' door.
The only prototype photo that I have found is in the Classic Freight
Car series. Car was built in 1946.
Bill, those cars were rebuilt in the 1960s with the wide doors and
vertically corrugated sides. When new, they were essentially of AAR
steel-sheathed designs with 6' doors. 12 panel riveted sides, and
Duryea cushion underframes. Trucks were ASF A-3s (Kadee or Kato).

Milwaukee 50' Ribbed Side This is car number 13631.
It has recently been offered by Sunshine.
Auto Car
As it happens, I have a builder's photo of MILW 13631 when it was
brand new in 9-37. Trucks were AAR cast steel with spring planks
(Tahoe Model Works or Accurail).


Richard Hendrickson


Re: CB&Q HS

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Brian I tried to send a message off list, but it was kicked back. I think the problem is on my end, not yours. But I do have
additional contact information for the person you need to contact. It appears he may have moved as I have two addresses for him.

I will try to contact you again later today/tonight.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


HELP NEDED ON CORRECT TRUCKS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

My freight car modeling began in earnest with Ambroid and Quality Craft kits. Several of these cars still look great o the railroad today. Back then
when it came to trucks you chose between Kadee Bettendorf and Kadee Andrews. Life was simple. There are two cars from this era that I
want to upgrade. The couplers will be changed to Kadee78's. The trucks I hope to defer to your expertise. The cars are:

Denver And Rio Grande Boxcar This is a 40 foot car numbered 67400.It is unique in that it has closely spaced vertical ribs and a 9' door.
The only prototype photo that I have found is in the Classic Freight Car series. Car was built in 1946.

Milwaukee 50' Ribbed Side This is car number 13631. It has recently been offered by Sunshine.
Auto Car

I appreciate all the help that is available on this sight and thank you in advance.

Bill Pardie


Re: Signals - hardware drawings

cornbeltroute <cornbeltroute@...>
 

Rich,

That's quite the treasure trove. Thanks much for pointing to it.
Great stuff.

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa

While a lot of these drawings pre-date the 1950's the equipment was still in use.

http://prr.railfan.net/signalstandards/standards.cgi

Rich Orr

94341 - 94360 of 184217