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Re: Conoco Tankcars

SHAY STARK
 

Bill, and Richard,

Thank you for your reply.

It sounds like I will paint one silver car with black lettering and then another car black with the red triangle logo. I will have to look and see if the decals for the SN3 tank cars are close in size to what would be needed on a HO scale standard gauge car. However, those decals are green lettering so that won't work either. It may be easier to find one of the old Proto 2000 tank cars for the silver with black lettering.

Thanks again,

Shay Stark

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On May 8, 2010, at 10:15 AM, bill_d_goat wrote:

My question is which paint scheme would be most prevalent in 1950?
Would that paintscheme be found on the AFC type 21 tankcars? As a
follow up question who makes decals for the paint scheme? I have
looked at Champ but they don't have Conoco decals listed on there
website. A search of Microscale was not productive either.

Thanks

Shay Stark
Dear Shay
The following is from an answer provided to me from Richard
Hendrickson a while back.
"All the photos I've seen of the black cars with white billboard
lettering date from the late 1950s and '60s. There were some black
Conoco cars in the 1940s, but they didn't have billboard Conoco
(instead they had Conoco's triangular red and white logo)."
I was asking about my 1943 era, specifically the aluminum with
black billboard vs the black with white billboard.
Since Richard said LATE 1950s, it would appear that for 1950 you
would want the aluminum with black billboard and black with the
triangular logo. FWIW.
Bill beat me to it on this one, but I can at least confirm that he is
correct, AFAIK, about Conoco paint and lettering in 1950.

Richard Hendrickson





Western Refrigerator and NWX relationship?

Bill Welch
 

Was there an operational agreement and relationship between the Green Bay & Western owned Western Refrigerator and NWX? For example did they have an agreement to furnish cars to each other during shortages? The fact that at one time each company's cars were painted grey seems more than coincidental. Also, they both used similar if not identical AC&F designed and built cars.

Bill Welch


Re: GM&O boxcars

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

In the interests of accuracy and at the risk of splitting hairs,
This paint IS a custom job for CNLines SIG.
We continue to sell paint to hobby shops across North America.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

This paint WAS a custom job for the CN Lines SIG.

I'm not sure what US stores carry CN Lines Scalecoat I or II paint, but maybe Flying Yankee Enterprises, CN Lines' US distributor, could tell you. I know that a few US stores do carry this paint and other CN Lines products. Here is Flying Yankee's email address--

hutchfye@...

I have used Scalecoat #2 Oxide Red for CN cars. It's a little warmer a colour than CN Red #11, and far more readily available at most LHS. Model-Flex 16-14 Light Tuscan Oxide Red works very well if you prefer acrylic paint for painting a CN car.

Steve Lucas.


new decals added

jerryglow2
 

I'm gradually adding new sets to my small line of specality decals:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html
Recent additions include sets for ACL and P&LE/PMcK&Y rebuilt boxcars, and a single door version of the Soo Line AAR '37 w/ $ sign logo.

My niche is (without criticizing the manufacturers) replacement sets for lesser quality offerings especially in F&C and Tichy kits and "bashable" projects for which no decals exist.

I may be interested in adding a set not listed: as usual, contact me OFF LIST

Jerry Glow


Re: GM&O boxcars

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

This paint WAS a custom job for the CN Lines SIG.

I'm not sure what US stores carry CN Lines Scalecoat I or II paint, but maybe Flying Yankee Enterprises, CN Lines' US distributor, could tell you. I know that a few US stores do carry this paint and other CN Lines products. Here is Flying Yankee's email address--

hutchfye@...

I have used Scalecoat #2 Oxide Red for CN cars. It's a little warmer a colour than CN Red #11, and far more readily available at most LHS. Model-Flex 16-14 Light Tuscan Oxide Red works very well if you prefer acrylic paint for painting a CN car.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

ModelFlex makes a CN red #11.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Brian J Carlson <prrk41361@...> wrote:



I am trying to finish the Naperville GM&O gift from two years ago. the GM&O
car. In January painting the car was discussed and Scalecoat II CN#11 red
was recommended. I've looked for this paint online (No local shops carry
scalecoat) and haven't found it. weaver doesn't even list it on their site.
(Tim O'Connor thought it was custom for the CN Sig. has anyone painted this
car with a polyscale color or mix? I can get most of those colors locally.
Modelflex/accuflex would also work. thanks.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@... <prrk41361%40yahoo.com>



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railroad film

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Tuesday TCM is showing Murder in the Private Car (1934). I've never seen it so I don't know how much rr action is really in it. But worth a look. - Al Westerfield


Loking for Tim Lovell

Rich Yoder
 

Hi,
I'm trying to get in touch with Tim Lovell.
If anyone out there has his email address or phone number please contact me off the list.
Sincerely, Rich Yoder


Re: Pressed Steel Car Co. factory location

Robert kirkham
 

Great maps Eric. I wish we had that feature on the Library and Archives Canada site I use for maps of Vancouver. While Pittsburgh is not my modelling focus, I can see from those maps that an amazing switching layout could be based on any one of the smaller plates - tons of trackage in there - let alone that whole stretch along the river! Thanks for posting them.

Rob Kirkham

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From: "Eric Hansmann" <eric@...>
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 12:46 PM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Pressed Steel Car Co. factory location

I found plat maps of Pittsburgh, circa 1925, that offers the building layout
and rail service to the Pressed Steel Car Company works. This freight car
factory was served by the B&O and PRR, but on the map the lines are noted as
the original rail line names Pittsburgh & Western (B&O) and Cleveland &
Pittsburgh (PRR). As there was interest on this six-mile long B&O river line
from postings yesterday, I thought others may want to explore this
collection of maps. Here's the link for the index map for this part of
Pittsburgh:
http://digital.library.pitt.edu/maps/25v05ind.html

If you follow the right bank of the Ohio River, the third map down features
the Pressed Steel Car Company works (Plate 19A). Using Internet Explorer,
you can hover the mouse over the map and different plate numbers come up in
a text block. Click on that portion for a more detailed local map. Once that
map loads, you can click on it to zoom in, or click and hold to move the map
view.

Clicking along that bank of the Ohio River will open other maps that show
the rail served industries. Clicking on the right border will take you to
the next index map so you can see the H.J. Heinz facilities.

The Eagle facilities discussed yesterday do not seem to be labeled on the
map (Plate 9B). The detail I quoted was from a 1922 B&O Form 6 book and
located the Eagle facility near the South Street Team Tracks. The nearby
Barrett complex is well marked.

Links to other map volumes of Pittsburgh can be found here:
http://digital.library.pitt.edu/maps/browse.html

Enjoy!

Eric




Eric Hansmann
Chagrin Falls, Ohio
Modeling the railroads of Newburgh, Ohio, circa 1026
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/





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Re: CUBAN RR/HERSHEY IN CUBA

S hed <shed999@...>
 

I put together a summation that I have pulled from different resources of the West India Fruit Company's history. I have always liked the WIF and what they did and always thought that they deserved more attention than they received. So here is the document.


- Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA




To: STMFC@...
From: mec-bml@...
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 21:54:38 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] CUBAN RR/HERSHEY IN CUBA





GENTLEMAN:Before Castro Hershey had a huge plantation in Cuba and think TRAINS did a article on that operation,plus did the Cuban RR interchange(via ferry)into the USA?Any idea of how many North American freight cars sailed{from Key West and Tampa via WIF} to Cuba(to Hershey and other customers)??
Thanks
Joel Norman





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Re: CUBAN RR/HERSHEY IN CUBA

cinderandeight@...
 

Joel,
Hershey did indeed have freight cars that came from the US, but I have
no idea if any of them actually traveled across to Florida or not. In my
collection I have a photo of a former Berwind-White Coal Mining Co. hopper
(PRR GL design) that was sold to Hershey, and reconditioned at the Windber,
PA shops prior to shipment to Cuba. The car has a large "H" logo on the
top of it's second panel (from the left, about 40% of the whole panels
height). In the logo are the letters "FCCinc above the "H's" crossbar, and the
word "Hershey" below the crossbar. Below that is the car' number (750).
The next two panels to the right had all the capacity data; in metric system
of course. The cars number also appeared at the right end of the car at
the top of the second panel. It rides on arch bar trucks.
I believe this photo dates to the late 1930's. It was shot by Ray
Meyers, who was the chief assistant to Ed Barefoot; the car shop foreman at
Windber. Berwind didn't have "Official" builder's photos, but Ray I was told
always had a camera handy to make what now passes for the "official views"
Rich Burg


Re: GM&O boxcars

Jim Hayes
 

ModelFlex makes a CN red #11.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Brian J Carlson <prrk41361@...> wrote:



I am trying to finish the Naperville GM&O gift from two years ago. the GM&O
car. In January painting the car was discussed and Scalecoat II CN#11 red
was recommended. I've looked for this paint online (No local shops carry
scalecoat) and haven't found it. weaver doesn't even list it on their site.
(Tim O'Connor thought it was custom for the CN Sig. has anyone painted this
car with a polyscale color or mix? I can get most of those colors locally.
Modelflex/accuflex would also work. thanks.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@... <prrk41361%40yahoo.com>



GM&O boxcars

Brian Carlson
 

I am trying to finish the Naperville GM&O gift from two years ago. the GM&O
car. In January painting the car was discussed and Scalecoat II CN#11 red
was recommended. I've looked for this paint online (No local shops carry
scalecoat) and haven't found it. weaver doesn't even list it on their site.
(Tim O'Connor thought it was custom for the CN Sig. has anyone painted this
car with a polyscale color or mix? I can get most of those colors locally.
Modelflex/accuflex would also work. thanks.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...


Re: Details West Co.

Paul Hillman
 

Well,...(R.Reagan),....Google, et al, let me down. Thanks for the URL to
Details West.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hayes" <jimhayes97225@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Details West Co.


I entered 'details west' in my search box and it popped right up. First on
the list.

http://www.detailswest.com/

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 12:48 PM, behillman <chris_hillman@...> wrote:



Does the Details West Company have a web-site?

I can't find one.

Thanks, Paul Hillman







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Re: Details West Co.

Frank Pearsall
 

Web site is: www.detailswest.com.

Frank Pearsall
Brevard, N.C.
Narrow Trak 10
(Oct 8, 9, 2010)

On May 8, 2010, at 3:48 PM, behillman wrote:

Does the Details West Company have a web-site?

I can't find one.

Thanks, Paul Hillman



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Re: Details West Co.

Jim Hayes
 

I entered 'details west' in my search box and it popped right up. First on
the list.

http://www.detailswest.com/

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 12:48 PM, behillman <chris_hillman@...> wrote:



Does the Details West Company have a web-site?

I can't find one.

Thanks, Paul Hillman



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Re: Details West Co.

Larry Wolohon
 

Paul,

Try this:

http://www.detailswest.com/


Larry Wolohon

----- Original Message -----
From: "behillman" <chris_hillman@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2010 3:48:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] Details West Co.






Does the Details West Company have a web-site?

I can't find one.

Thanks, Paul Hillman




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Details West Co.

Paul Hillman
 

Does the Details West Company have a web-site?

I can't find one.

Thanks, Paul Hillman


Re: Conoco Tankcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 8, 2010, at 10:15 AM, bill_d_goat wrote:

My question is which paint scheme would be most prevalent in 1950?
Would that paintscheme be found on the AFC type 21 tankcars? As a
follow up question who makes decals for the paint scheme? I have
looked at Champ but they don't have Conoco decals listed on there
website. A search of Microscale was not productive either.

Thanks

Shay Stark
Dear Shay
The following is from an answer provided to me from Richard
Hendrickson a while back.
"All the photos I've seen of the black cars with white billboard
lettering date from the late 1950s and '60s. There were some black
Conoco cars in the 1940s, but they didn't have billboard Conoco
(instead they had Conoco's triangular red and white logo)."
I was asking about my 1943 era, specifically the aluminum with
black billboard vs the black with white billboard.
Since Richard said LATE 1950s, it would appear that for 1950 you
would want the aluminum with black billboard and black with the
triangular logo. FWIW.
Bill beat me to it on this one, but I can at least confirm that he is
correct, AFAIK, about Conoco paint and lettering in 1950.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Accurail coal loads

Armand Premo
 

They are hollow castings nicely done,but plastic is plastic.The magnetic removal feature is nice for operational purposes.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:12 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Accurail coal loads




Are the Accurail coal loads solid castings, or hollow plastic
like Athearn's coal loads? The magnetic removal sounds good to
me!

Tim O'Connor

At 5/8/2010 12:38 PM Saturday, you wrote:
>I use a lot of them, and they are pretty good in about all respects.
>So far, I have left them alone as OEM on the layout and in this
>environment I have few personal or external complaints; but as I
>upgrade individual car detailing (a project akin to the slowly-
>advancing thin edge of a wedge), I may well apply an added veneer of
>coal, gravel, crushed rock, ballast, gold dust, etc.
>
>I have not kit bashed them for other cars, but after reading the
>comments for those who have done so, I will certainly be looking into
>it.
>
>I'm not certain why the embedded ball bearings are a problem for those
>wishing to easily and manually remove a load with a handy-dandy
>magnet. That is why it (ball bearing) is there, Its free with the
>load, and it too is removable from that load.
>
>Denny






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Re: Accurail coal loads

Tim O'Connor
 

Are the Accurail coal loads solid castings, or hollow plastic
like Athearn's coal loads? The magnetic removal sounds good to
me!

Tim O'Connor

At 5/8/2010 12:38 PM Saturday, you wrote:
I use a lot of them, and they are pretty good in about all respects.
So far, I have left them alone as OEM on the layout and in this
environment I have few personal or external complaints; but as I
upgrade individual car detailing (a project akin to the slowly-
advancing thin edge of a wedge), I may well apply an added veneer of
coal, gravel, crushed rock, ballast, gold dust, etc.

I have not kit bashed them for other cars, but after reading the
comments for those who have done so, I will certainly be looking into
it.

I'm not certain why the embedded ball bearings are a problem for those
wishing to easily and manually remove a load with a handy-dandy
magnet. That is why it (ball bearing) is there, Its free with the
load, and it too is removable from that load.

Denny

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