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Re: New York Central 765-B

Clark Propst
 

Some of the early PS1s had 'standard' style corner steps. A tap above/across the step, all steps alike.
Clark Propst


Re: New York Central 765-B

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Guys;

I looked into this issue when I was trying to figure out what to do on both
an early NYC PS-1 and an early P&WV PS-1 (both 1948 models, I think). Ed was
very helpful in that regard, too! I also got the Ed Kaminski Pullman-Std
book out and looked at the pics of early PS-1's. I have since partially
finished the P&WV model (I used a Kadee), and here is what I did:

1) Pop off running board, doors, end ladders and details, and grabs.

2) Sanded down end panel roof ribs to create flat panels on 4 end roof
panels. Put tape over panel caps and use sanding sticks on "ribs".

3) Replace doors with Superior type 7-panel.

4) Cut off portion of end ladder that is too wide, and replace with new
right stile that is continuous (this was very easy; let me know if you want
details)

5) reshape bolster tabs to match those in photo. The Late PS-1 has wide
tabs, the early ones are narrower and have a little bit of a "hat" shape.

6) re-shape end ribs to be rounder, both on ends and top and bottom edges.
I did this with a sanding stick.

7) replace right end grab with one mounted on the left with a triangular
(peaked) strap that clears the rib, in the appropriate location.

8) Replace brake with Equipco (P&WV used almost nothing else).

I did not investigate the underframe or u/f mounting of brake gear, as I had
no details on that, and will end up running the car 100% of the time right
side up (sad attempt at humor).

It is not a horrible bash, unlike others. And there are both Speedwitch
decals for the early, and Microscale decals, or Century green, makes the
issues of decals minimal.

BTW, there are other lots of NYC cars (176XXX series?) that have the later
features.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ed
Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:28 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New York Central 765-B




On May 12, 2010, at 4:16 AM, Mark M wrote:

recently purchased a built intermountain kit. NYC 40' PS-1 boxcar
#167646 from lot 765-B.

Any suggestions on trucks, roof walk, steps, etc!

Thanks for any help.

Mark Morgan
Mark,
As far as I have been able to determine, NYC's PS-1 box cars typically came
with either Universal or Miner hand brakes and Apex Tri-Lok running boards
and brake steps. I do not know with any degree of certainty what hand
brake(s) came on the Lot 765-B series, and I have not found any definitive
photos. A photo of NYC 167299 (albeit a small
image) is on page 99 of the 1949/51 Car Builders' Cyclopedia. An in-service
photo of NYC 167210 from the same series shows the car rode on Barber S-2-A
trucks. However, this photo is a broadside and does not show the hand brake.

In case you aren't aware and for what it may be worth to you, the NYC Lot
765-B cars in series 167000-167999 were built in 1948. This means that the
InterMountain model (patterned after prototype PS-1 box cars built 1954 and
later) has a number of characteristics that are incorrect for the NYC Lot
765-B cars, including the wrong PS-1 ends (cars built in 1948 lacked the six
rectangles at the peak and had a different grab arrangement on the right side
of the end), the wrong
PS-1 roof (panels closest to the ends were flat), and the bolster tabs are
too wide. The prototype cars had 7-panel Superior doors, which I don't know
if the model comes with or not.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Re: New York Central 765-B

Ed Hawkins
 

On May 12, 2010, at 4:16 AM, Mark M wrote:

recently purchased a built intermountain kit. NYC 40' PS-1 boxcar
#167646 from lot 765-B.

Any suggestions on trucks, roof walk, steps, etc!

Thanks for any help.

Mark Morgan
Mark,
As far as I have been able to determine, NYC's PS-1 box cars typically
came with either Universal or Miner hand brakes and Apex Tri-Lok
running boards and brake steps. I do not know with any degree of
certainty what hand brake(s) came on the Lot 765-B series, and I have
not found any definitive photos. A photo of NYC 167299 (albeit a small
image) is on page 99 of the 1949/51 Car Builders' Cyclopedia. An
in-service photo of NYC 167210 from the same series shows the car rode
on Barber S-2-A trucks. However, this photo is a broadside and does not
show the hand brake.

In case you aren't aware and for what it may be worth to you, the NYC
Lot 765-B cars in series 167000-167999 were built in 1948. This means
that the InterMountain model (patterned after prototype PS-1 box cars
built 1954 and later) has a number of characteristics that are
incorrect for the NYC Lot 765-B cars, including the wrong PS-1 ends
(cars built in 1948 lacked the six rectangles at the peak and had a
different grab arrangement on the right side of the end), the wrong
PS-1 roof (panels closest to the ends were flat), and the bolster tabs
are too wide. The prototype cars had 7-panel Superior doors, which I
don't know if the model comes with or not.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: new decals added

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jerry;

Would you be interested in doing some 1952+ EJ&E box cars decals in the
Billboard orange and green schemes? There are Sunshine mini-kits and other
(incl Branchline 8' dr car) bashes that can be done, for both the 10' and
10'6" IH cars, and photos of same in both new EJ&E book and in old RMJ. There
are also B&W photos in the RPCyc that contained the article on 10' IH cars. I
do not know why no one has done those cars, but it is true!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
jerryglow@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 5:31 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: new decals added



Sorry - been busy setting up the old computer that was downgraded to the
train room. The ACL set was inspired by my friend Steve Hoxie who I'm hoping
will write it up perhaps in the SCL-Modeler (cuz I know John Golden has been
pumping him for input).

I did a similar one years ago for Frisco (see:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/SLSF_rebuilt.html
<http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/SLSF_rebuilt.html>
You cut the side/roof casting apart and discard the roof scratching a new one
from sheet and strip stock. Assemble the "box" using Tichy's 5-5-5 ends and
an Accurail USRA underframe (necessary because the kit is a rebuild from a
50ton SS car and we're modeling a one from a 40ton DS car).

I can go into further detail if necessary but that's the basics.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Mike
Aufderheide <mononinmonon@...> wrote:

Jerry,
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Are the ACL rebuild changes to the Tichy model described in a magazine
article, or is it simpler than that? Sounds like a car I would like to make.
Â
Mike Aufderheide

--- On Tue, 5/11/10, jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...> wrote:


From: jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: new decals added
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 12:30 PM


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At John Golden's suggestion, I modified the ACL rebuilt boxcar set to
make one for an AAR '37. So you now have your choice (or get both)

Jerry Glow
http://home. comcast.net/ ~jerryglow/ decals.html

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, jerryglow@ . wrote:

I'm gradually adding new sets to my small line of specality decals:
http://home. comcast.net/ ~jerryglow/ decals.html Recent additions
include sets for ACL and P&LE/PMcK&Y rebuilt boxcars, and a single door
version of the Soo Line AAR '37 w/ $ sign logo.

My niche is (without criticizing the manufacturers) replacement sets for
lesser quality offerings especially in F&C and Tichy kits and "bashable"
projects for which no decals exist.

I may be interested in adding a set not listed: as usual, contact me
OFF LIST

Jerry Glow












New York Central 765-B

Mark
 

I recently purchased a built intermountain kit. NYC 40' PS-1 boxcar #167646 from lot 765-B.

Any suggestions on trucks, roof walk, steps, etc!

Thanks for any help.

Mark Morgan


Re: 40-foot FGE steel reefers

Greg Martin
 

I see a whole new series of SHAKE N TAKE... YIPPEE! Bill, are you listening? Now if we can get Dennis to do the NWX wood car with the plug doors...

Greg Martin

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From: soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 2:00 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 40-foot FGE steel reefers






--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

It's listed on the Walthers site -- "adv. res." for all roadnames -- but not on Accurail's own. A forthcoming kit?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
Yes, plug door version also. Walthers got the info for the 2011 catalog, due out next October; we haven't put any info up because I didn't think Walthers was going to put it up this early. At this point, we are likely looking at a October release. The plug door car will be 8500 series SKU's, and will likely be out first.

The plug door car is specifically a WFEX car (don't have the numbers handy) but FGEX and BREX both had similar cars. spotting features include diagonal panel roof, improved Dreadnaught ends with the one "squished" rib, and plain lapped side sheets with single rivet rows.

The swing door car will have the same roof and ends; most likely double rivet rows (hat section posts).

As planned now, both cars will have acetal sill steps and brake rodding, like our gondola kit.

Now, I need to get back to work on them.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: new decals added

jerryglow2
 

Sorry - been busy setting up the old computer that was downgraded to the train room. The ACL set was inspired by my friend Steve Hoxie who I'm hoping will write it up perhaps in the SCL-Modeler (cuz I know John Golden has been pumping him for input).

I did a similar one years ago for Frisco (see:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/SLSF_rebuilt.html
You cut the side/roof casting apart and discard the roof scratching a new one from sheet and strip stock. Assemble the "box" using Tichy's 5-5-5 ends and an Accurail USRA underframe (necessary because the kit is a rebuild from a 50ton SS car and we're modeling a one from a 40ton DS car).

I can go into further detail if necessary but that's the basics.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Mike Aufderheide <mononinmonon@...> wrote:

Jerry,
 
Are the ACL rebuild changes to the Tichy model described in a magazine article, or is it simpler than that? Sounds like a car I would like to make.
 
Mike Aufderheide

--- On Tue, 5/11/10, jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...> wrote:


From: jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: new decals added
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 12:30 PM


 



At John Golden's suggestion, I modified the ACL rebuilt boxcar set to make one for an AAR '37. So you now have your choice (or get both)

Jerry Glow
http://home. comcast.net/ ~jerryglow/ decals.html

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, jerryglow@ . wrote:

I'm gradually adding new sets to my small line of specality decals:
http://home. comcast.net/ ~jerryglow/ decals.html
Recent additions include sets for ACL and P&LE/PMcK&Y rebuilt boxcars, and a single door version of the Soo Line AAR '37 w/ $ sign logo.

My niche is (without criticizing the manufacturers) replacement sets for lesser quality offerings especially in F&C and Tichy kits and "bashable" projects for which no decals exist.

I may be interested in adding a set not listed: as usual, contact me OFF LIST

Jerry Glow












Re: new decals added

Michael Aufderheide
 

Ben,
 
I was asking IF the model had been described in a magazine article.  It doesn't sound like it, but I appreciate your suggestions.  Thank you for the information!  Kitbashes like this are always fun.
 
Mike Aufderheide

--- On Tue, 5/11/10, benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...> wrote:


From: benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: new decals added
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 1:08 PM


 



Mike Aufderheide wrote:
"Are the ACL rebuild changes to the Tichy model described in a
magazine article, or is it simpler than that? Sounds like a car I
would like to make."

Mike, not sure which magazine article you're referencing; at any
rate, I wouldn't start with the Tichy HO scale model as it's too
tall and has the wrong roof for the ACL USRA DS rebuilds. Instead,
I'd start with either the Atlas "Rebuilt" boxcar with 5/5/5 ends and
fishbelly underframe (part no 6400-1 undec), rework the side sills
for the proper support brackets and inset, and change out the
trucks; or go with Sunshine kits 64.67-64.70 out of the box.
http://www.atlasrr. com/HOFreight/ hosteelrebuilt. htm
http://www.sunshine kits.com/ sunimages/ sun64h.pdf

FWIW, the Atlas car is a hermaphrodite that doesn't accurately model
any rebuilt SS or DS boxcar; however, the 5/5/5 end version is
closest to the ACL/C&WC/SL- SF prototypes and can be kitbashed as
discussed above.

Ben Hom











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Re: 40-foot FGE steel reefers

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

It's listed on the Walthers site -- "adv. res." for all roadnames -- but not on Accurail's own. A forthcoming kit?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
Yes, plug door version also. Walthers got the info for the 2011 catalog, due out next October; we haven't put any info up because I didn't think Walthers was going to put it up this early. At this point, we are likely looking at a October release. The plug door car will be 8500 series SKU's, and will likely be out first.

The plug door car is specifically a WFEX car (don't have the numbers handy) but FGEX and BREX both had similar cars. spotting features include diagonal panel roof, improved Dreadnaught ends with the one "squished" rib, and plain lapped side sheets with single rivet rows.

The swing door car will have the same roof and ends; most likely double rivet rows (hat section posts).

As planned now, both cars will have acetal sill steps and brake rodding, like our gondola kit.

Now, I need to get back to work on them.

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: 40-foot FGE steel reefers

al_brown03
 

It's listed on the Walthers site -- "adv. res." for all roadnames -- but not on Accurail's own. A forthcoming kit?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:



I was looking for FGE wood refrigerator car kits from Accurail over at the Walthers site and noticed Accurail kit 112-8304 40;' Steel Reefer with Hinged Door - (Kit) Fruit Growers Express.



I was not aware that Accurail had a steel hinged door reefer.



Has anyone seen this and, if so, offer any comments?



Thanks,



Marty








40-foot FGE steel reefers

Marty McGuirk
 

I was looking for FGE wood refrigerator car kits from Accurail over at the Walthers site and noticed Accurail kit 112-8304 40;' Steel Reefer with Hinged Door - (Kit) Fruit Growers Express.



I was not aware that Accurail had a steel hinged door reefer.



Has anyone seen this and, if so, offer any comments?



Thanks,



Marty


Re: new decals added

Benjamin Hom
 

Mike Aufderheide wrote:
"Are the ACL rebuild changes to the Tichy model described in a
magazine article, or is it simpler than that? Sounds like a car I
would like to make."

Mike, not sure which magazine article you're referencing; at any
rate, I wouldn't start with the Tichy HO scale model as it's too
tall and has the wrong roof for the ACL USRA DS rebuilds. Instead,
I'd start with either the Atlas "Rebuilt" boxcar with 5/5/5 ends and
fishbelly underframe (part no 6400-1 undec), rework the side sills
for the proper support brackets and inset, and change out the
trucks; or go with Sunshine kits 64.67-64.70 out of the box.
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt.htm
http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun64h.pdf

FWIW, the Atlas car is a hermaphrodite that doesn't accurately model
any rebuilt SS or DS boxcar; however, the 5/5/5 end version is
closest to the ACL/C&WC/SL-SF prototypes and can be kitbashed as
discussed above.


Ben Hom


Re: new decals added

Michael Aufderheide
 

Jerry,
 
Are the ACL rebuild changes to the Tichy model described in a magazine article, or is it simpler than that? Sounds like a car I would like to make.
 
Mike Aufderheide

--- On Tue, 5/11/10, jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...> wrote:


From: jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: new decals added
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 12:30 PM


 



At John Golden's suggestion, I modified the ACL rebuilt boxcar set to make one for an AAR '37. So you now have your choice (or get both)

Jerry Glow
http://home. comcast.net/ ~jerryglow/ decals.html

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, jerryglow@.. . wrote:

I'm gradually adding new sets to my small line of specality decals:
http://home. comcast.net/ ~jerryglow/ decals.html
Recent additions include sets for ACL and P&LE/PMcK&Y rebuilt boxcars, and a single door version of the Soo Line AAR '37 w/ $ sign logo.

My niche is (without criticizing the manufacturers) replacement sets for lesser quality offerings especially in F&C and Tichy kits and "bashable" projects for which no decals exist.

I may be interested in adding a set not listed: as usual, contact me OFF LIST

Jerry Glow










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Re: new decals added

jerryglow2
 

At John Golden's suggestion, I modified the ACL rebuilt boxcar set to make one for an AAR '37. So you now have your choice (or get both)

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

I'm gradually adding new sets to my small line of specality decals:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html
Recent additions include sets for ACL and P&LE/PMcK&Y rebuilt boxcars, and a single door version of the Soo Line AAR '37 w/ $ sign logo.

My niche is (without criticizing the manufacturers) replacement sets for lesser quality offerings especially in F&C and Tichy kits and "bashable" projects for which no decals exist.

I may be interested in adding a set not listed: as usual, contact me OFF LIST

Jerry Glow


Hershey Rlwy in Cuba

jim peters
 

Good day . . .



'THE RAILWAY THAT CHOCOLATE BARS BUILT' by Stephen D. Maquire - Ralway Magazine, Oct 1960

A good article covering the railways in Cuba. Mentions a car ferry from Palm Beach to Casa Blanca, Cuba the terminus for the Hershey Rlwy. The article also indicates (1 sentence) and I quote, 'Originally the cars were ferried across the deep water from Key West'. A similar ferry service ran from West Palm Beach terminal to Havana. Note the Hershey Rlwy never ran to Havana.



'A PHOTOGRAPHER LOOKS BACK' by William D. Middleton - Rail Classics, May 1978

The article briefly mentions the electric operation on the Hershey Rlwy.



There is another book I'm aware of - and is a rather in-depth study of the sugar railways of Cuba by Adolf Hungrywolf. Unfortunately a couple years ago I lent my copy to a fellow hobbyist I no longer have a phone number for, who hasn't found it necessary to extend the common courtesy of returning it. (Hey **!^%#** hope your reading this)



Adolf in the past prepared a few articles for RailModel Craftsman - If you could contact him, he has enough information on the Cuban lines to fill several volumes - But the sales were not sufficient on his first to warrant any further efforts.



Also through the Yahoo group 'SOUTH OF THE BOARDER' contact Dr. John Kirchner - He's the most knowledgeable I've met on Latin American sugar and banana rlwys. You could try Frank Berry through the 'MexList' another Yahoo group.



This is the extent of my knowledge and hope my useless ramble helps . . .



Good luck,



Jim Peters

Coquitlam, BC Canada

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Re: Speedwitch Media

al_brown03
 

Site's back up.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@..., "gn3397" <heninger@> wrote:
Whew! Good news.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.



Darrall (and Group),
I emailed Ted about the website, and he is aware of the issue and is working on it.

Sincerely,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, IA

--- In STMFC@..., "doswift" <doswift@> wrote:

G'Day All,

I recently tried to access the website for Speedwitch Media, but the site is no longer available. Is Ted still in business?

Regards,

Darrall Swift
Colorado Springs, CO


Re: Western Refrigerator and NWX relationship?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 10, 2010, at 8:16 AM, lnbill wrote:

Was there an operational agreement and relationship between the
Green Bay & Western owned Western Refrigerator and NWX? For example
did they have an agreement to furnish cars to each other during
shortages? The fact that at one time each company's cars were
painted grey seems more than coincidental. Also, they both used
similar if not identical AC&F designed and built cars.
Bill, see Chapter 5 in my Billboard Refrigerator Car book, which I
assume you have. WRX was established in 1930 as a subsidiary of NWX,
with the same president and general counsel. A business directory
such as Standard and Poor's would give you more detail, but the close
relationship between the two companies is clear from their ORER entries.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Conoco Tankcars

SHAY STARK
 

Bill, and Richard,

Thank you for your reply.

It sounds like I will paint one silver car with black lettering and then another car black with the red triangle logo. I will have to look and see if the decals for the SN3 tank cars are close in size to what would be needed on a HO scale standard gauge car. However, those decals are green lettering so that won't work either. It may be easier to find one of the old Proto 2000 tank cars for the silver with black lettering.

Thanks again,

Shay Stark

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On May 8, 2010, at 10:15 AM, bill_d_goat wrote:

My question is which paint scheme would be most prevalent in 1950?
Would that paintscheme be found on the AFC type 21 tankcars? As a
follow up question who makes decals for the paint scheme? I have
looked at Champ but they don't have Conoco decals listed on there
website. A search of Microscale was not productive either.

Thanks

Shay Stark
Dear Shay
The following is from an answer provided to me from Richard
Hendrickson a while back.
"All the photos I've seen of the black cars with white billboard
lettering date from the late 1950s and '60s. There were some black
Conoco cars in the 1940s, but they didn't have billboard Conoco
(instead they had Conoco's triangular red and white logo)."
I was asking about my 1943 era, specifically the aluminum with
black billboard vs the black with white billboard.
Since Richard said LATE 1950s, it would appear that for 1950 you
would want the aluminum with black billboard and black with the
triangular logo. FWIW.
Bill beat me to it on this one, but I can at least confirm that he is
correct, AFAIK, about Conoco paint and lettering in 1950.

Richard Hendrickson





Western Refrigerator and NWX relationship?

Bill Welch
 

Was there an operational agreement and relationship between the Green Bay & Western owned Western Refrigerator and NWX? For example did they have an agreement to furnish cars to each other during shortages? The fact that at one time each company's cars were painted grey seems more than coincidental. Also, they both used similar if not identical AC&F designed and built cars.

Bill Welch


Re: GM&O boxcars

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

In the interests of accuracy and at the risk of splitting hairs,
This paint IS a custom job for CNLines SIG.
We continue to sell paint to hobby shops across North America.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

This paint WAS a custom job for the CN Lines SIG.

I'm not sure what US stores carry CN Lines Scalecoat I or II paint, but maybe Flying Yankee Enterprises, CN Lines' US distributor, could tell you. I know that a few US stores do carry this paint and other CN Lines products. Here is Flying Yankee's email address--

hutchfye@...

I have used Scalecoat #2 Oxide Red for CN cars. It's a little warmer a colour than CN Red #11, and far more readily available at most LHS. Model-Flex 16-14 Light Tuscan Oxide Red works very well if you prefer acrylic paint for painting a CN car.

Steve Lucas.

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