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Re: Grain capy

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

I tried to resist responding to this but the flesh is weak.

Grain doors nailed all the way to the top of the doors would trap inside the car the guy who nailed them up. Besides, how could the car be loaded?

That said, after World War Two the M&StL was buying box cars with a 10'-0" inside height when many other railroads were buying 10'-6" IH box cars.

As was mentioned in another message, there were lines stenciled on the box car sides showing the level to fill the car with various grains.

In the M&StL's cars (and no doubt those of many other railroads) wheat was the lowest line. About 4 inches above that was the line for corn, rye and flax. The barley line was 7 or 8 inches above the corn-rye-flax line. The line for oats was very near the top of the car's side. That suggests to me that the M&StL bought all those 10'-0" IH box cars with grain hauling in mind.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., Skip Luke <salty4568@...> wrote:

The grain doors nailed inside the car door can't extend all the way up, anyway. Load could only be
up to about two feet below the door top.

Skip Luke
Re: new F&C kits & new B&O flat

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

All;

For the first time since the PRRT&HS convention, I got to sit down and open
up some of my new purchases.

I had picked up several new Funaro & Camerlengo kits; the PRR H25, the H33,
the GLE, and the new X26C with diagonal panel roof.

I have always been really intimidated by resin hopper kits. The fact that
everything is exposed, the complicated slopes and numerous mating surfaces.
Well, the H25 was a real surprise. It has a very nice one-piece body, onto
which you tack all the remaining parts. The rivets are very fine, the ribs
all look like the real thing. The H33 covered hopper is also very nice.
They even did the proper rendition of the Z-angle ribs! The GLE is of the
same caliber. The new X26C is also very nice, and the one-piece body is
great. You just sand the underframe to fit, add some weight, and pop into
place. You should consider these new kits. They also offer 2 for 1 deals at
meets.

I also opened up my new IM B&O P-31 bulkhead flat. It looks just like the
real thing. Jim Mischke provided IM the plans for the bulkheads, so it is
accurate for the B&O. I am not sure about any others as far as bulkheads go.
The P-31's were converted over in 1956 or so, and were intended, I believe,
for wallboard service, but I also saw them loaded with steel sheets banded
and placed on top of wooden dunnage. The deck and wooden bulkhead pieces are
a bit thick, but you can correct that pretty easily by prying them loose and
sanding them down. You have another accurate car for your fleet.

Elden Gatwood
Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

Bruce Smith
 

"Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...> 05/19/10 7:48 PM >>>
Tom, that's right. I think people just forget that Red Caboose actually
made two different PFE reefers, the R-30-12 and the R-30-9 rebuilds
(that
were originally tagged R-30-12-9).

Tim O'Connor

Tim, folks,

Absolutely! The Wegman/RC kitbash models an R-30-12-16. The R-30-12-16s
were rebuilt from R-30-12 cars, to R-30-12-9 specs so the RC R-30-12-9
(or R-30-9) is the appropriate raw material as it yelids the correct
height body. R-30-13-12s were also used for R-30-16 conversions so for
the more adventurous, the R-30-13-16 variant can be modeled with the RC
R-30-9 body, the Wegman roof and either a Wegman (R-30-18) or Tichy
underbody (R-40-2/4) . If you have a Wegman R-30-18 kit, you can use
the leftover RC underbody to model the R-30-12-18, instead of the
R-30-13-18, which that kit models.

God, I LOVE PFE reefer classes!!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

Bill Welch
 

Hi Jerry

I like your model. I did mine using a special order Champ set of UP heralds with the red and white stripes reversed. There is a photo of one of these in the PFE book and I have since seen a second photo of a car with this herald variation, one of the 47' cars as I recall. This was when Champ was doing custom Alps versions from their art work. Some others on this list participated in this order.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

The model, completed when Terry first started doing them:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/PFE_74492R-A_end.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/PFE_74492R-B_end.jpg

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@> wrote:

Many will remember the special run Terry Wegmann made 7 years ago of R-30-16 conversion sets, made to change a Red Caboose R-30-12 into the steel roofed rebuild class of R-30-16s, a very large class of PFE reefers. According to Terry, in the post WWll era, this was the most numerous class of reefers on the PFE roster.

Briefly, Terry machined his R-30-18 steel roof to fit the RC body. He also machined the RC wooden ends to fit the roof profile. These parts are included in the set, including steel hatch covers, styrene strip for the end fascia, pre-bent wire roof grabs, molded styrene Bettendorf cross-bearers (to replace the poorly executed ones from the RC kit) and a R-30-18 wood running board (injection molded styrene).

I have been out of these for about 2 years, until this morning when I uncovered an overlooked one dozen of these sets.

I am offering these, the last ones available (Terry has stated that he will not make anymore), for $16.00 each. Shipping is $1.80 in a padded envelope.

I also have 2 of the latest run of RC undec kits as the donor cars for this conversion.
I will sell these for $32.00, shipping postpaid, with a conversion set included. I have only 2 of these.

If interested, contact me off-list at <midcentury@>

I accept PayPal, personal checks, and money orders. Thanks Mike, and to all of you out there,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

Andy Carlson
 

Tom, you are right. The R-30-12 is too low in height. Thanks for pointing out my mistake.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





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From: pullmanboss <tcmadden@q.com>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, May 19, 2010 5:22:28 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets


Andy Carlson wrote:

Many will remember the special run Terry Wegmann made 7 years ago of R-30-16 conversion sets, made to change a Red Caboose R-30-12 into the steel roofed rebuild class of R-30-16s, a very large class of PFE reefers.
Hmmmm. My R-30-16 kit from Terry says it's "For R-30-9 (Red Caboose #4250)".

Tom Madden




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Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom, that's right. I think people just forget that Red Caboose actually
made two different PFE reefers, the R-30-12 and the R-30-9 rebuilds (that
were originally tagged R-30-12-9).

Tim O'Connor

Andy Carlson wrote:

Many will remember the special run Terry Wegmann made 7 years ago of R-30-16 conversion sets, made to change a Red Caboose R-30-12 into the steel roofed rebuild class of R-30-16s, a very large class of PFE reefers.
Hmmmm. My R-30-16 kit from Terry says it's "For R-30-9 (Red Caboose #4250)".

Tom Madden
Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Andy Carlson wrote:

Many will remember the special run Terry Wegmann made 7 years ago of R-30-16 conversion sets, made to change a Red Caboose R-30-12 into the steel roofed rebuild class of R-30-16s, a very large class of PFE reefers.
Hmmmm. My R-30-16 kit from Terry says it's "For R-30-9 (Red Caboose #4250)".

Tom Madden
Wegmann R-30-16 conversion sets are sold out

Andy Carlson
 

Thanks, they are all spoken for.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

jerryglow2
 

The model, completed when Terry first started doing them:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/PFE_74492R-A_end.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/PFE_74492R-B_end.jpg

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Many will remember the special run Terry Wegmann made 7 years ago of R-30-16 conversion sets, made to change a Red Caboose R-30-12 into the steel roofed rebuild class of R-30-16s, a very large class of PFE reefers. According to Terry, in the post WWll era, this was the most numerous class of reefers on the PFE roster.

Briefly, Terry machined his R-30-18 steel roof to fit the RC body. He also machined the RC wooden ends to fit the roof profile. These parts are included in the set, including steel hatch covers, styrene strip for the end fascia, pre-bent wire roof grabs, molded styrene Bettendorf cross-bearers (to replace the poorly executed ones from the RC kit) and a R-30-18 wood running board (injection molded styrene).

I have been out of these for about 2 years, until this morning when I uncovered an overlooked one dozen of these sets.

I am offering these, the last ones available (Terry has stated that he will not make anymore), for $16.00 each. Shipping is $1.80 in a padded envelope.

I also have 2 of the latest run of RC undec kits as the donor cars for this conversion.
I will sell these for $32.00, shipping postpaid, with a conversion set included. I have only 2 of these.

If interested, contact me off-list at <midcentury@...>

I accept PayPal, personal checks, and money orders. Thanks Mike, and to all of you out there,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
Re: Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

Bill Welch
 

These build into really nice models! An unpaid and unsolicited endorsement.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Many will remember the special run Terry Wegmann made 7 years ago of R-30-16 conversion sets, made to change a Red Caboose R-30-12 into the steel roofed rebuild class of R-30-16s, a very large class of PFE reefers. According to Terry, in the post WWll era, this was the most numerous class of reefers on the PFE roster.

Briefly, Terry machined his R-30-18 steel roof to fit the RC body. He also machined the RC wooden ends to fit the roof profile. These parts are included in the set, including steel hatch covers, styrene strip for the end fascia, pre-bent wire roof grabs, molded styrene Bettendorf cross-bearers (to replace the poorly executed ones from the RC kit) and a R-30-18 wood running board (injection molded styrene).

I have been out of these for about 2 years, until this morning when I uncovered an overlooked one dozen of these sets.

I am offering these, the last ones available (Terry has stated that he will not make anymore), for $16.00 each. Shipping is $1.80 in a padded envelope.

I also have 2 of the latest run of RC undec kits as the donor cars for this conversion.
I will sell these for $32.00, shipping postpaid, with a conversion set included. I have only 2 of these.

If interested, contact me off-list at <midcentury@...>

I accept PayPal, personal checks, and money orders. Thanks Mike, and to all of you out there,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Terry Wegmann PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

Andy Carlson
 

Many will remember the special run Terry Wegmann made 7 years ago of R-30-16 conversion sets, made to change a Red Caboose R-30-12 into the steel roofed rebuild class of R-30-16s, a very large class of PFE reefers. According to Terry, in the post WWll era, this was the most numerous class of reefers on the PFE roster.

Briefly, Terry machined his R-30-18 steel roof to fit the RC body. He also machined the RC wooden ends to fit the roof profile. These parts are included in the set, including steel hatch covers, styrene strip for the end fascia, pre-bent wire roof grabs, molded styrene Bettendorf cross-bearers (to replace the poorly executed ones from the RC kit) and a R-30-18 wood running board (injection molded styrene).

I have been out of these for about 2 years, until this morning when I uncovered an overlooked one dozen of these sets.

I am offering these, the last ones available (Terry has stated that he will not make anymore), for $16.00 each. Shipping is $1.80 in a padded envelope.

I also have 2 of the latest run of RC undec kits as the donor cars for this conversion.
I will sell these for $32.00, shipping postpaid, with a conversion set included. I have only 2 of these.

If interested, contact me off-list at <midcentury@...>

I accept PayPal, personal checks, and money orders. Thanks Mike, and to all of you out there,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
**HEY** Re: Tim O'Connor made me do it

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Geeze, Tim, if we do that, I'll never be able to suggest "Glow 'n the Dork" as the name for Jerry's decal company! :-)

Tom Madden

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Hey guys can we CHANGE the SUBJECT line of this thread????????

Tim "can't make anybody do anything" O'Connor


At 5/19/2010 01:19 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
I was thinking of using the name I had when I ran a custom paint shop for 10 years. http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/splash.html

BTW my list now is mostly "cluickable" to show sample illustrations or actual models.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "John" <golden1014@> wrote:

Jerry,

You're making enough decals to have a trade name or a company name.

As much fun as it would be to have a "Name Jerry's Company Contest", I think it might be just a bit off-topic. I think Glow-Cals would win anyway.

You might also help sales if you set up a page on your website to show models finished with your decals.

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@ wrote:

At Tim's request, I've added a DSS&A decal set good for Ps-1s and AARs. This was a real case of cooperation from several list members esp Dennis Storzk who provided some excellent drawings of the logos.

see the new list at:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

Jerry Glow
**HEY** Re: Tim O'Connor made me do it

Tim O'Connor
 

Hey guys can we CHANGE the SUBJECT line of this thread????????

Tim "can't make anybody do anything" O'Connor

At 5/19/2010 01:19 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
I was thinking of using the name I had when I ran a custom paint shop for 10 years. http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/splash.html

BTW my list now is mostly "cluickable" to show sample illustrations or actual models.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "John" <golden1014@...> wrote:

Jerry,

You're making enough decals to have a trade name or a company name.

As much fun as it would be to have a "Name Jerry's Company Contest", I think it might be just a bit off-topic. I think Glow-Cals would win anyway.

You might also help sales if you set up a page on your website to show models finished with your decals.

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@ wrote:

At Tim's request, I've added a DSS&A decal set good for Ps-1s and AARs. This was a real case of cooperation from several list members esp Dennis Storzk who provided some excellent drawings of the logos.

see the new list at:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

Jerry Glow
Re: Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 19, 2010, at 10:25 AM, jerryglow@... wrote:

I was unaware any MP ones went to AC&Y but I'm pretty certain some
went to Ashley Drew and Northern.
The cars that went to the AC&Y in the '60s were ex-Frisco cars, some
rebuilt with single doors and others still with the original doors
but the auxiliary doors secured shut. The original SL-SF numbers
were in the 152000 series, and there were 100 cars with end doors and
200 without. Unfortunately, the Athearn (ex-MDC) models are only
loose stand-ins at best for those cars.

The second-hand cars that went to Ashley, Drew & Northern, as well as
to Fort Dodge, Des Moines & Southern (later Des Moines and Central
Iowa), were ex-Rock Island cars.

I have photos showing all of these variants and dimensioned diagrams
for the Frisco cars.

Richard Hendrickson
Re: Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1

jerryglow2
 

I was unaware any MP ones went to AC&Y but I'm pretty certain some went to Ashley Drew and Northern.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

All;

I have been re-reading many of the landmark articles on box cars that Ed
Hawkins, Richard Hendrickson, Rich Burg, Jim Eager and others wrote for the
mags in the late 80's and 90's, and was wondering why some of these
interesting box cars have not been produced in model, much less RTR form.

Beginning with the 50-foot single sheathed cars (Rich Burg article - RMJ Nov
'89), there are very appealing cars that MILW, Bamberger, CB&Q, GN, NP, MP
(later AC&Y), and RI owned. I am aware of the Westerfield GN car, but does
anyone make any of the others in HO? Given these were around for a long time
(into the 60's at least), and were such significant cars, and also given the
numerous oddballs one finds in resin form, I am surprised I haven't seen
these more numerous and important cars in HO.

Elden Gatwood
Re: Tim O'Connor made me do it

jerryglow2
 

I was thinking of using the name I had when I ran a custom paint shop for 10 years. http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/splash.html

BTW my list now is mostly "cluickable" to show sample illustrations or actual models.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "John" <golden1014@...> wrote:

Jerry,

You're making enough decals to have a trade name or a company name.

As much fun as it would be to have a "Name Jerry's Company Contest", I think it might be just a bit off-topic. I think Glow-Cals would win anyway.

You might also help sales if you set up a page on your website to show models finished with your decals.

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@ wrote:

At Tim's request, I've added a DSS&A decal set good for Ps-1s and AARs. This was a real case of cooperation from several list members esp Dennis Storzk who provided some excellent drawings of the logos.

see the new list at:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

Jerry Glow
Re: Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks for that info, Bill!

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
lnbill
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:59 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1



The Rock island 50' is available from "Rocket Express Models" and is a great
model. Speedwitch did NP SS DD car and CB&Q is in the pipeline from them if
not already issued.

MP car easy to do IMO from ex-MDC line.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood,
Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

All;

I have been re-reading many of the landmark articles on box cars that
Ed Hawkins, Richard Hendrickson, Rich Burg, Jim Eager and others wrote
for the mags in the late 80's and 90's, and was wondering why some of
these interesting box cars have not been produced in model, much less RTR
form.

Beginning with the 50-foot single sheathed cars (Rich Burg article -
RMJ Nov '89), there are very appealing cars that MILW, Bamberger,
CB&Q, GN, NP, MP (later AC&Y), and RI owned. I am aware of the
Westerfield GN car, but does anyone make any of the others in HO?
Given these were around for a long time (into the 60's at least), and
were such significant cars, and also given the numerous oddballs one
finds in resin form, I am surprised I haven't seen these more numerous and
important cars in HO.

Elden Gatwood
Re: Tim O'Connor made me do it

golden1014
 

Jerry,

You're making enough decals to have a trade name or a company name.

As much fun as it would be to have a "Name Jerry's Company Contest", I think it might be just a bit off-topic. I think Glow-Cals would win anyway.

You might also help sales if you set up a page on your website to show models finished with your decals.

John Golden
Bloomington, IN

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

At Tim's request, I've added a DSS&A decal set good for Ps-1s and AARs. This was a real case of cooperation from several list members esp Dennis Storzk who provided some excellent drawings of the logos.

see the new list at:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

Jerry Glow
Re: Branchline 40' steel CMO (C&NW) boxcar 39092

Dan Sweeney Jr
 

Ed, thanks much. I have been putting off relettering these four cars--sometimes laziness pays off! Best wishes,
Dan Sweeney, Jr.
Alexandria, VA

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On May 18, 2010, at 3:58 PM, potomacyard wrote:

Steve and group,
Forgive me for jumping in so late on this topic, but I purchased a
four-pack of the Branchline CMO 39000's, and am concerned about the
lettering above the reporting marks. Every photo of a CMO steel box
car that I have seen shows only the letters "CStPM&O" above the
reporting marks, but the kits all carry the same lettering as appears
on CNW box cars (full "Chicago and North Western"). Guidance please.

Dan Sweeney, Jr.
Alexandria, VA
Dan,
The AC&F builder's photo from lot 2770 of CMO 37662, built 8-45, had
CStPM&O stencils above the reporting marks. The builder's photo from
lot 3256 of CMO 39092, built 10-48 had CHICAGO AND NORTH WESTERN
stencils above the reporting marks. In case this matters, the
1945-built CMO cars had Duryea underframes while the 1948-built CMO
cars had AAR-type underframes. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
Re: Interesting Box Cars, but no models? Part 1

Bill Welch
 

The Rock island 50' is available from "Rocket Express Models" and is a great model. Speedwitch did NP SS DD car and CB&Q is in the pipeline from them if not already issued.

MP car easy to do IMO from ex-MDC line.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

All;

I have been re-reading many of the landmark articles on box cars that Ed
Hawkins, Richard Hendrickson, Rich Burg, Jim Eager and others wrote for the
mags in the late 80's and 90's, and was wondering why some of these
interesting box cars have not been produced in model, much less RTR form.

Beginning with the 50-foot single sheathed cars (Rich Burg article - RMJ Nov
'89), there are very appealing cars that MILW, Bamberger, CB&Q, GN, NP, MP
(later AC&Y), and RI owned. I am aware of the Westerfield GN car, but does
anyone make any of the others in HO? Given these were around for a long time
(into the 60's at least), and were such significant cars, and also given the
numerous oddballs one finds in resin form, I am surprised I haven't seen
these more numerous and important cars in HO.

Elden Gatwood
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