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Re: 40 ft gons

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rich Christie wrote:
I wrote Stan Rydarowicz and sent him photos of gonodla ends, no word. I agree with your choice, but I also think we need Pullman ends, Pressed Steel and flipped Dreadnaughts.
By "flipped" do you mean reverse Dreadnaught or recessed Dreadnaught? We need the former much more than the latter for gondolas.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: IC 40' box car decal

Ed Hawkins
 

On May 30, 2010, at 3:44 AM, jerryglow@... wrote:

Coming soon - nearly complete:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/IC.jpg
Jerry,
I don't know if you've revised this or not since our correspondence
earlier today, but the artwork in the link shows the data to the left
of the door centered on the middle side panel. Photos and the IC
stencil diagrams for these cars show the data was centered on the 2nd
panel from the end.
Ed


Re: CNW Modified 1937 AAR boxcars

Ed Hawkins
 

On May 30, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

These are the only notes I have (besides what is in the spreadsheet
from
steamfreightcars.com). If you find out about the A/G running boards
please
let us know!

CNW 71000-74398 -- Mineral Red Sides, Ends & Roof; Black U/F & Trucks,
"Route of the 400" on both sides
Tim,
According to the CNW diagrams covering 71000-71998 (even), it's
entirely possible that the 500 cars built by Pullman-Standard came with
only Apex r/b & b/s, but the way the data is presented it's also
possible that a portion of the series had U.S.G. specialties.

Several CNW diagrams covering smaller groups numbered 71000-71066
equipped with special devices all specify Apex. Two additional diagrams
lumping the entire range of CNW box cars numbered 71068-74398 and
76900--77394 (even) specify either Apex or U.S.G., but they don't
specify how many of each or their respective car number assignments.

Data for some of the specific series of cars in the above number ranges
have known quantities and car number assignments of Apex or U.S.G.
specialties, but from the way the diagrams have lumped several groups
together, it's not possible to determine the answer for 71000-71998
with 100% certainty.

Pullman builder's photos of 71028 and 71342 both have Apex. An
in-service photo of 71428 shows an Apex. That's all the photos I have
from the 71000-71998 series. I'm of the belief that at least the first
half of the order had Apex. We need to find some photos of higher
numbers in the series. Jeff Koeller may have the answer, or a general
arrangement drawing might specify the running boards & brake steps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: IC 40' box car decal

Tim O'Connor
 

generic... I've used them because that's all I could find, but
besides the usual Champ issues, they are generic

At 5/30/2010 04:21 PM Sunday, you wrote:
What's wrong with the Champ reweight sets? HD-50-53 and HD-60-67


Re: 40 ft gons

 

I wrote Stan Rydarowicz and sent him photos of gonodla ends, no word. I agree with your choice, but I also think we need Pullman ends, Pressed Steel and flipped Dreadnaughts.

 
Rich Christie

--- On Sun, 5/30/10, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:


From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 40 ft gons
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 1:22 PM


 



Tim O'Connor wrote:
A new reverse-dreadnaught end for the Red Caboose GS gondola would
be of great interest to this SP modeler! (Most of the sugar beet
gons had these ends.)
How about the War Emergency 41 ft gondolas (only available as resin
kits from F&C)?
Good point about the ends. I've managed to fit a Detail
Associates Improved Dreadnaught end onto the F&C War Emergency gon to
model T&NO's Class G-50-21 cars, but additional end styles could be
very useful.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history











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Re: IC 40' box car decal

Brian Carlson
 

What's wrong with the Champ reweight sets? HD-50-53 and HD-60-67



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@...



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:17 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: IC 40' box car decal






John, for modelers of the late 40's to very early 50's the Sunshine
reweigh stencil sets cover those dates nicely -- HOWEVER it appears
even Sunshine did not include the IC in any of the sets I have, E.51
through E.59! Sheesh what have people got against the IC? :-)

Now if it were only possible to find reweigh dates for 1955 to 1965!

Tim O'Connor

At 5/30/2010 09:35 AM Sunday, you wrote:
Hi Jerry,

Thanks for doing this--you're going to be the new Champ. The set looks
really great. Would it be possible/practical to add a small variety of
different shop dates as well? I model 1950 and really hate having to piece
together earlier shop dates.

Thanks for considering!

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


Re: Merchants Despatch Reefer construction

Thomas Warne <warne@...>
 

over-tightened truss rods.      Tom W.

--- On Sun, 5/30/10, Arthur Kuperstein <maparr62@...> wrote:

From: Arthur Kuperstein <maparr62@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Merchants Despatch Reefer construction
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 7:13 AM
















 









Hope everyone is enjoying the holiday weekend. I have copied the link to

a c.1906 photo from Shorpy,

<http://www.shorpy.com/node/8252?size=_original> , showing a siding full

of new Merchants Despatch reefers. All of them look new with a *distinct

hump , floor to roof line*. Is this typical for this type of

construction? The older reefers down the track appear to have flat floor

lines. Thanks.

Art Kuperstein

M&PRR c.1949

Langhorne, Pa.



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Re: DCFC's [Was: PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 . . .]

Peter Ness
 

I kitbashed a 125 ton DCFC from two Bachmann flats which turned out horrible...the end decks arch upward because I thought I was being smart and keep portions of the Bachmann curved weights in the car. I need to break the car apart and repair it, someday. A 200 ton DCFC can be built from a modified kit Walthers produced years back. Walthers has made two versions of high capacity DCFC's. The later (still in production, I think) version represents a later car of welded construction rather than steel castings, I believe. The earlier kit is a good starting point for a GSC car.

It was great when the ECW 90 ton kits were around as the deck plates and brake stands were very useful for other cars. The E&P models are indeed beautiful, but they went for more than a brass caboose when new and I couldn't afford one now (well, I could, but I'd rather buy a bunch of cars for that money than only one...)

Regards,
Peter Ness

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 2:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cars we need [Was: PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 . . .]



Todd Horton wrote
>The GSC flats were done in brass many years ago. I have two of those and they're really nice. I don't recall who the builder or importer was. It would be n eat to see them done in plastic. The C of G had 5 of them, they were all assembled in their shops basically from kits

E&P did some of them in brass -- there are detail differences between
prototypes -- the decks could be wood, steel, or a combination, and some
had built-in tie down devices while some did not. Also early trucks were
plain bearing while some later cars received roller bearings.

The E&P models are beautiful. They fetch high prices now -- saw a NYC
model go for $353 (unpainted!) on Ebay last November.

Tim O'Connor





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Re: 40 ft gons Was PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 and then?

Peter Ness
 

Sadly, there are no correct New Haven 40 ft gons. Roundhouse is "close" but 6 inches too tall and can't represent the drop door version only the later rebuilds. Cutting down the sides is problem,aticve without decals available, and the Roundhouse dreadnaught ends leave a lot to be desired. Also, two different top sills (chords?). Nothing close to the earlier hopper gons (Standard Steel and Keith Car Works builders) or coke cars (Standard Steel), either.

Regards.
Peter Ness

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 40 ft gons Was PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 and then?



Earlier General Service gondolas (same as old Ulrich metal kits)
would be very nice to have. Not to mention the D&RGW/C&S-CB&Q/UCR
GS gons, or some non-Enterprise GS gons, or SOO/NP/GN GS gons.

A new reverse-dreadnaught end for the Red Caboose GS gondola would
be of great interest to this SP modeler! (Most of the sugar beet gons
had these ends.)

How about the War Emergency 41 ft gondolas (only available as resin
kits from F&C)?

Tim O'Connor

>Seems to me the 40 ft gon range is pretty well covered. Unless there is a
>specific prototype you had in mind.
>Brian J. Carlson, P.E.


Re: Cars we need [Was: PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 . . .]

Brian Carlson
 

That seller was lucky, I've seen them not sell in the $145-$150 range.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

prrk41361@...



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 2:44 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cars we need [Was: PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 . . .]





Todd Horton wrote
The GSC flats were done in brass many years ago. I have two of those and
they're really nice. I don't recall who the builder or importer was. It
would be n eat to see them done in plastic. The C of G had 5 of them, they
were all assembled in their shops basically from kits

E&P did some of them in brass -- there are detail differences between
prototypes -- the decks could be wood, steel, or a combination, and some
had built-in tie down devices while some did not. Also early trucks were
plain bearing while some later cars received roller bearings.

The E&P models are beautiful. They fetch high prices now -- saw a NYC
model go for $353 (unpainted!) on Ebay last November.








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Re: Cars we need [Was: PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 . . .]

Tim O'Connor
 

Todd Horton wrote
The GSC flats were done in brass many years ago. I have two of those and they're really nice. I don't recall who� the builder or importer was. It would be n eat to see them done in plastic. The C of G had 5 of them, they were all assembled in their shops basically from kits

E&P did some of them in brass -- there are detail differences between
prototypes -- the decks could be wood, steel, or a combination, and some
had built-in tie down devices while some did not. Also early trucks were
plain bearing while some later cars received roller bearings.

The E&P models are beautiful. They fetch high prices now -- saw a NYC
model go for $353 (unpainted!) on Ebay last November.

Tim O'Connor


Re: 40 ft gons

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
A new reverse-dreadnaught end for the Red Caboose GS gondola would be of great interest to this SP modeler! (Most of the sugar beet gons had these ends.)
How about the War Emergency 41 ft gondolas (only available as resin kits from F&C)?
Good point about the ends. I've managed to fit a Detail Associates Improved Dreadnaught end onto the F&C War Emergency gon to model T&NO's Class G-50-21 cars, but additional end styles could be very useful.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Cars we need [Was: PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 . . .]

Todd Horton
 

The GSC flats were done in brass many years ago. I have two of those and they're really nice. I don't recall who the builder or importer was. It would be n eat to see them done in plastic. The C of G had 5 of them, they were all assembled in their shops basically from kits




________________________________
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 2:16:35 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Cars we need [Was: PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 . . .]

 
Tim O'Connor wrote:
I beg to differ with that -- how about the ALTERNATE STANDARD AAR
HOPPERS? How about Bethlehem 52'6" mill gondolas? And GSC 125 ton
depressed center flat cars? (Lots of owners over a very long
lifetime.)
Three good examples, Tim. I've always wondered why no one has
done those GSC drop-center flats, because they not only were widely
owned but are "neat" cars, and you can put terrific-looking loads on
them.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history







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Re: IC 40' box car decal

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ray Breyer wrote:
"Mostly". Jerry will have to reduce the size of the reporting marks to match the number's size, and add lines above and below. At that point the decal set will be good for the 1930s through the 1960s. (adding and/or deleting specific items as necessary).
Ray makes a good point for railroads besides IC. Before WW II it was common to use 7-inch characters for both initials and car numbers, but after the war (I don't have the date handy) the AAR recommended 9-inch initials with the 7-inch numbers, and many roads complied. If someone can supply the date easily, that might be useful for all of us to know.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Cars we need [Was: PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 . . .]

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
I beg to differ with that -- how about the ALTERNATE STANDARD AAR HOPPERS? How about Bethlehem 52'6" mill gondolas? And GSC 125 ton depressed center flat cars? (Lots of owners over a very long lifetime.)
Three good examples, Tim. I've always wondered why no one has done those GSC drop-center flats, because they not only were widely owned but are "neat" cars, and you can put terrific-looking loads on them.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 40 ft gons Was PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 and then?

Tim O'Connor
 

Earlier General Service gondolas (same as old Ulrich metal kits)
would be very nice to have. Not to mention the D&RGW/C&S-CB&Q/UCR
GS gons, or some non-Enterprise GS gons, or SOO/NP/GN GS gons.

A new reverse-dreadnaught end for the Red Caboose GS gondola would
be of great interest to this SP modeler! (Most of the sugar beet gons
had these ends.)

How about the War Emergency 41 ft gondolas (only available as resin
kits from F&C)?

Tim O'Connor

Seems to me the 40 ft gon range is pretty well covered. Unless there is a
specific prototype you had in mind.
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.


Re: PRR X-29's, NYC Lot 486 and then?

Tim O'Connor
 

Charlie Vlk wrote

Richard-
I can't argue with you on the absurdity of tooling cars in plastic that can
only be used for one railroad and a limited number of paint jobs.....

Why is it absurd? Consider Trailer Train flat cars for example -- not many
owners, but they ran everywhere! Or distinctive prototypes that were found
on almost all railroads -- X29, M26, MILW rib sides, B&O wagontops, XM-1's,
NYC 1920's steel box cars, and so on. Not to mention PFE and SFRD and FGE
reefers. And I still strongly wish for a plastic UTLX X-3...


But when you get right down to it, that is where we are at in the Hobby and
Marketplace right now. All the low-hanging fruit has been picked.

I beg to differ with that -- how about the ALTERNATE STANDARD AAR HOPPERS?
How about Bethlehem 52'6" mill gondolas? And GSC 125 ton depressed center
flat cars? (Lots of owners over a very long lifetime.) And over on another
list we've discussed the General American Dry-Flo covered hoppers, built
1958 to 1962, with 56 original owners and lessors -- that's a LOT of paint
schemes!

I think we should keep shaking the tree -- I suspect there is more fruit
to be found.

Tim O'Connor


Re: IM part help

Tim O'Connor
 

Steve

Good point, I'd forgotten about those! (Although I think they are
Canadian style ladders with sill steps included.)

Tim

At 5/30/2010 09:54 AM Sunday, you wrote:
How about the ladders in IM kit #48199, "Modified AAR 40' Boxcar (8 Rung Ladder, 4-4 Improved Dreadnaught End)"?

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: IC 40' box car decal

Tim O'Connor
 

John, for modelers of the late 40's to very early 50's the Sunshine
reweigh stencil sets cover those dates nicely -- HOWEVER it appears
even Sunshine did not include the IC in any of the sets I have, E.51
through E.59! Sheesh what have people got against the IC? :-)

Now if it were only possible to find reweigh dates for 1955 to 1965!

Tim O'Connor

At 5/30/2010 09:35 AM Sunday, you wrote:
Hi Jerry,

Thanks for doing this--you're going to be the new Champ. The set looks really great. Would it be possible/practical to add a small variety of different shop dates as well? I model 1950 and really hate having to piece together earlier shop dates.

Thanks for considering!

John

John Golden
Bloomington, IN


Re: CNW Modified 1937 AAR boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Lou

These are the only notes I have (besides what is in the spreadsheet from
steamfreightcars.com). If you find out about the A/G running boards please
let us know!

CNW 71000-74398 -- Mineral Red Sides, Ends & Roof; Black U/F & Trucks,
"Route of the 400" on both sides

Tim O'Connor

How about the 71000 - 71998 series? These 500 PS cars also seem to have had a mix of Apex and Gypsum running boards. The subsequent ACF cars had one or the other. Also, these and the cars through 77414
had an inside height of 10'-5". Was this one inch shortage account the Viking roof?
Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ

105141 - 105160 of 195639