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Re: Reefer Traffic on the Pennsy

Richard Hendrickson
 

Richard,
Would it be possible to post the photo to the group's
"files" section at the Yahoo!Groups site? That way many could look at it
and glean the info they need from it. Just a thought.

Warren Dickinson
A good thought, too, Warren, but I've resisted going through the rigmarole
that Yahoo requires to access the files. Tell you what. If anyone who's
already sold their soul to Yahoo will volunteer to post the photos, I'll
send THEM the JPEGs and they can put 'em in the files.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Reefer Traffic on the Pennsy

ibs4421@...
 

Richard observed:

Anyway, JPEGs
would be somewhat clearer than the published half-tones.

Richard H. Hendrickson


Richard,
Would it be possible to post the photo to the group's "files" section at the Yahoo!Groups site? That way many could look at it and glean the info they need from it. Just a thought.

Warren Dickinson

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Re: Reefer Traffic on the Pennsy

Richard Hendrickson
 

Jeff aley wrote:

Wasn't this yard (or even this photo) the subject of a "Cars in
Context" article in RailModel Journal several years ago? I see from the
Index that RMJ has featured Pittsburgh a number of times, during various
eras, so I'm not sure which issue contains the article I remember.
I think you're right, Jeff, but I can't recall which issue. Anyway, JPEGs
would be somewhat clearer than the published half-tones.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Reefer Traffic on the Pennsy

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

On Mar 19, 2:13pm, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reefer Traffic on the Pennsy
I have (courtesy of Tony Thompson) a couple of yard shots of the PRR
yard
adjacent to the Pittsburgh produce terminal ca. 1947 showing a sea of
reefers, many of them easily identifiable, and I can send them to you as
JPEGs if you think they might be helpful.
Richard,

Wasn't this yard (or even this photo) the subject of a "Cars in
Context" article in RailModel Journal several years ago? I see from the
Index that RMJ has featured Pittsburgh a number of times, during various
eras, so I'm not sure which issue contains the article I remember.

Regards,

-Jeff

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Re: Reefer Traffic on the Pennsy

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bruce,
What is your time period? If you're doing '44 you will need the R-40-14. If
you could move to '47 you get not only the post war 40' cars that Branchline
will have out again but you get the much cheaper PFE R-40-23 which came out
in '47.

Mike


Re: Reefer Traffic on the Pennsy

Richard Hendrickson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

I have been pondering a querstion about Reefer traffic on the PRR circa
1944.... I'm curious as to what types of reefers would have appeared on
the A&S >(the Low Grade Line) between Enola and points East on the PRR?
In the videos I
have, it can often be difficult to identify the reporting marks, and it
seems clear that both individual cars and large blocks of cars were
forwarded east over this line. I know that PRR had an "interest" in Fruit
Growers Express, and I see FGE cars appear in a number of New England area
videos. Any suggestions for building up an appropriate fleet of reefers in
HO for the area and era would be greatly appreciated... (ie, do I give a
rattus norwegicus' backside about the new IM premium reefer?)
Bruce, PRR reefer traffic eastbound would certainly have consisted of both
PFE and SFRD cars in sizeable numbers (bearing in mind that the PFE fleet
was about twice the size of the SFRD fleet). ART, BREX, and WFEX cars
would also have been represented in much smaller numbers, along with
(occasionally) an NP, IC, NWX, or URTX (Milw) car. Both PFE and SFRD went
out of their way to avoid shipping perishables via the Pennsy, which had a
miserable record of on-time delivery (and a correspondingly high loss
rate), so through traffic to the NY metro area and New England was routed
on the Erie whenever possible. NYC was a distant second choice; though
they didn't handle off-line perishables nearly as well as the Erie (or the
GTW to Detroit and Canada, or the B&O to DC), they provided faster and
better service than the PRR, which tended to treat all freight traffic as
though it were coal. That said, the Pennsy was about the only game in town
for perishable shipments to Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.

Westbound traffic would have been carried predominantly in FGEX reefers.
However, remember that Fruit Growers operated the Western Fruit Express
(Great Northern) and Burlington reefer fleets, and during much of the year
those cars were as much in evidence in the eastern US as Fruit Growers' own
FGEX cars.

I have (courtesy of Tony Thompson) a couple of yard shots of the PRR yard
adjacent to the Pittsburgh produce terminal ca. 1947 showing a sea of
reefers, many of them easily identifiable, and I can send them to you as
JPEGs if you think they might be helpful.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Reefer Traffic on the Pennsy

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Hi Folks,

I have been pondering a querstion about Reefer traffic on the PRR circa
1944 and the discussion here as well as the following comment that Gregg
Mahlkov wrote on PRR-talk (which he kindly permitted me to repost here),
got me to wondering about again:

PFE Reefers were received from SSW at E. St. Louis and CNW, MILW, etc. at
Chicago off UP, while ATSF perishable traffic was either received off ATSF
at Chicago or possibly off WAB at Logansport, IN. So, SFRD's and PFE's would
not have appeared in the same trains over the Middle Division as East Coast
perishables were blocked for Enola from the Western gateways.
I'm curious as to what types of reefers would have appeared on the A&S (the
Low Grade Line) between Enola and points East on the PRR? In the videos I
have, it can often be difficult to identify the reporting marks, and it
seems clear that both individual cars and large blocks of cars were
forwarded east over this line. I know that PRR had an "interest" in Fruit
Growers Express, and I see FGE cars appear in a number of New England area
videos. Any suggestions for building up an appropriate fleet of reefers in
HO for the area and era would be greatly appreciated... (ie, do I give a
rattus norwegicus' backside about the new IM premium reefer?)

Happy Rails
Bruce


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Re: "The Standard Car Company" parts

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

On Mar 18, 8:40am, Bill Welch wrote:
Subject: [STMFC] "The Standard Car Company" parts
Anyway, I sent Mr. Vaentine an inquiry about how to get a couple of
sets, along with a SASE but have heard nothing. It has been a couple of
months now. Does anyone know of a hobby shop that carries his line?


Bill,

Don is a member of the Passenger Car List, and (lately) has been
posting regularly. His email address is newrail@sover.net .

Let us know what you find out.

Regards,

-Jeff

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Re: Freight Cars in Action - USRA DS Boxcars

Terry Link
 

----- Original Message -----
From: <bhom3@home.com>

Looking for photos of the following - JPEGs would be great as they'll
be used for my clinic at Pittsburgh (now expanded to two hours
including clones and rebuilt cars due to a cancellation).
PM 80000-81999 - these appear to be particularly elusive!
Here is a photo of the PM cars from my Canada Southern website:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/pm-80837.jpg

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario
trlink@canadasouthern.com
www.canadasouthern.com


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Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

This is exactly what we will be seeing, but in resin, from Sunshine Models in the not too distant future.

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 3/19/01, at 12:59 PM, Larry King wrote:

3-19-01


At the risk of being further shot down by Mr. Rose, I would like to
elaborate on my UTLX concept. I am not talking about a complete kit for a
UTLX type car. Rather an UNDERFRAME made in such a way that it would be
possible to attach a tank supplied by the modeler and end up with a UTLX
car. The parts could be of the flat-kit variety,and would assume that some
filing and fitting be done by the modeler.The center sill would be such
that it could be cut to the length required,and assemblled to the
bolster/end platforms.If I understand my Cyc properly, the different sizes
of tank diameters were accomodated by UTLX by providing different sizes of
a casting that mounted on each end of the top of the bolster,and a
selection of these castings to fit the commonly used tanks(IM8k,10k, Tichy
10k,etc.)would be included.This sort of modular approach
seems to be how the prototype did it. so why not the modeler also? Another
thought: Intermountain, how about doing something like this, along with
your existing tanks, as a "premium" kit?
L.R. King



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Freight Cars in Action - USRA DS Boxcars

bhom3@...
 

Greetings all,

Looking for photos of the following - JPEGs would be great as they'll
be used for my clinic at Pittsburgh (now expanded to two hours
including clones and rebuilt cars due to a cancellation).

ATSF Class Bx-2 late in service life just prior to rebuilding to all-
steel cars, particularly photos showing cars with side sheathing
reinforcement bands.

PM 80000-81999 - these appear to be particularly elusive!


Also, if anyone has completed models of the original, rebuilt, or
clones, I'd like to set up a group display of these cars. Please
contact me off-list if interested.


Thanks in advance,
Ben Hom


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Larry King <ab8180@...>
 

3-19-01


At the risk of being further shot down by Mr. Rose, I would like to
elaborate on my UTLX concept. I am not talking about a complete kit for a
UTLX type car. Rather an UNDERFRAME made in such a way that it would be
possible to attach a tank supplied by the modeler and end up with a UTLX
car. The parts could be of the flat-kit variety,and would assume that some
filing and fitting be done by the modeler.The center sill would be such
that it could be cut to the length required,and assemblled to the
bolster/end platforms.If I understand my Cyc properly, the different sizes
of tank diameters were accomodated by UTLX by providing different sizes of
a casting that mounted on each end of the top of the bolster,and a
selection of these castings to fit the commonly used tanks(IM8k,10k, Tichy
10k,etc.)would be included.This sort of modular approach
seems to be how the prototype did it. so why not the modeler also? Another
thought: Intermountain, how about doing something like this, along with
your existing tanks, as a "premium" kit?
L.R. King


Re: "The Standard Car Company" parts

Kathe Robin <kathe@...>
 

Unfortunately, Don Valentine (NERS/Standard Car Company) was in a severe
accident about a month ago while enroute to the annual Train Show in
Mass. (While he was stopped at a light, someone plowed into the back
of his Volvo at something like 40 MPH and put both he and his wife in
the hospital and totaled the car.) I talked to Don via email recently
and they are both recovering, but its slow going. He is however
shipping product - especially those doors, since I just ordered 25 sets
and sent him a check w/order.

I would suggest trying to reach him via email of smail again.

Max
-----------------------------------------------------
email: m_robin@cheatriver.com

smail: Max S. Robin, P.E.
Cheat River Engineering Inc.
23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289
Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289

voice: 973-627-5895 / 973-627-5460 / 973-586-4310
cell.: 201-404-4075
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"The Standard Car Company" parts

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

Don Valentine of "New England Rail Service" is offering at least one freight parts set under "The Standard Car Company" label. The set is to modify an Accurail single sheathed wood end/wood door car into a door and a half Grand Trunk car. An article doing this was in RMJ very well done by Richard using resin molded parts several years ago..

This set is very well done with small parts like the door guides and the rivited triangular reinforcing plates that were attached next to the door opening on each side of the door. This is the parts set that Stafford made reference to in his series in the recent RMJ. It is #1000.

Anyway, I sent Mr. Vaentine an inquiry about how to get a couple of sets, along with a SASE but have heard nothing. It has been a couple of months now. Does anyone know of a hobby shop that carries his line?

Also I understand there is a German Company with a web site that has a lot of info about what is coming from Life Like. I tried "all_american_trains" on my search engine, as directed by my source but came up with nothing. Can anyone advise?


Bill 'Welch <bwelch@uucf.org>
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P.O. Box 130 Oakton VA 22124 www.uucf.org
Telephone 703 281-4230 Fax 703 281-5399


Re: "The Standard Car Company" parts

MDelvec952
 

In a message dated 3/18/01 8:39:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, bwelch@uucf.org
writes:

Anyway, I sent Mr. Vaentine an inquiry about how to get a couple of sets,
along with a SASE but have heard nothing.


Re: "The Standard Car Company" parts

BillD53A@...
 

<A HREF="http://home.t-online.de/home/all-american-trains/">All American
Trains</A> Here is a link to the site


Re: M&StL cars

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

One last comment, I just remembered I have some very small red paint chips I
took off a flat car. I will e-mail Sam to see if they will work. When I first
contacted Kadee I dealt with Larry, he then turned over the stuff I sent to
Sam. Enough said on this subject. We'll see what happens.
Tim, thanks for your concern,
Clark

Tim O'Connor wrote:

At 08:07 AM 3/17/01 -0600, you wrote:
Tim,
The slide I sent was of course a dup (how many originals are floating
around). Because of that Sam Clarke of Kadee thought the color was not
true.
Just curious, did you deal at all with Larry Edwards? He
seems like a more reasonable fellow...

FYI the M-K-T red car they did was a bit off -- the color
was too deep a red, based on the prototype cars I've seen.
Perhaps they looked that red the day they were delivered,
and then faded immediately. But the model they did was not
of a brand new car!

Just send him pictures of M&StL diesels. Same color. Good
luck!

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


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Re: M&StL cars

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

At 08:07 AM 3/17/01 -0600, you wrote:
Tim,
The slide I sent was of course a dup (how many originals are floating
around). Because of that Sam Clarke of Kadee thought the color was not
true.
Just curious, did you deal at all with Larry Edwards? He
seems like a more reasonable fellow...

FYI the M-K-T red car they did was a bit off -- the color
was too deep a red, based on the prototype cars I've seen.
Perhaps they looked that red the day they were delivered,
and then faded immediately. But the model they did was not
of a brand new car!

Just send him pictures of M&StL diesels. Same color. Good
luck!

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts


Re: M&StL cars

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Tim,
The slide I sent was of course a dup (how many originals are floating
around). Because of that Sam Clarke of Kadee thought the color was not true.
The car in the slide is a very brilliant red, I had quoted an M&StL
publication in an earlier correspondence to him that they called the cars
"fire engine red". He thought the slide color was not "fire engine red".
I looked at the photo you mentioned in NWL, I sent an 8x10 of it in the
info packet too.
It is one of my quest to do models of as many M&StL freight cars as I can
find photos of. Some of the second hand box cars they rebuilt before WWII are
quite interesting.
Thanks for your interest,
Clark

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Clark,

Questioned the authenticity??? Was it airbrushed or something? I
am very surprised Kadee is being so nitpicky about the color too.
Many of their cars seem to be pretty far off the mark, or they
represent the cars with faded or darkened paint, sometime after
they were originally built.

Oh well, the M&StL only had a few 40' PS-1 box cars, and you can
get excellent decals for the red cars from Mark Vaughan. Des
Plaines Hobbies carries them. Got a paint booth?

At 04:17 PM 3/16/01 -0600, you wrote:
Tim,

I've sent them several photos and slides of the PS1's that were taken
in the 70's. I even sent a slide of other type box car that was freshly
painted. They questioned the authenticity of the slide. I did send the
stenciling diagrams for the 50' cars.

I don't see the big deal, they've screwed up the color on the two CGW
DF cars they did. That's why I thought with the information I could
furnish the cars would be a piece of cake.

Clark
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Re: M&StL cars

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Clark,

Questioned the authenticity??? Was it airbrushed or something? I
am very surprised Kadee is being so nitpicky about the color too.
Many of their cars seem to be pretty far off the mark, or they
represent the cars with faded or darkened paint, sometime after
they were originally built.

Oh well, the M&StL only had a few 40' PS-1 box cars, and you can
get excellent decals for the red cars from Mark Vaughan. Des
Plaines Hobbies carries them. Got a paint booth?


At 04:17 PM 3/16/01 -0600, you wrote:
Tim,

I've sent them several photos and slides of the PS1's that were taken
in the 70's. I even sent a slide of other type box car that was freshly
painted. They questioned the authenticity of the slide. I did send the
stenciling diagrams for the 50' cars.

I don't see the big deal, they've screwed up the color on the two CGW
DF cars they did. That's why I thought with the information I could
furnish the cars would be a piece of cake.

Clark
Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts

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