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Re: IM upcoming PFE Reefers

Paul Lyons
 

Brian,

IM has been doing these R-30-18, 19, and 21 PFE reefers for the 5, or 6 years, and has "blown" the correct paint on almost all of them. I see no reason why they would correct this run, since they sell them out in a hurry, right, or wrong!

Paul Lyons

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From: Brian J Carlson <prrk41361@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, Jun 3, 2010 8:03 pm
Subject: [STMFC] IM upcoming PFE Reefers




These cars have been discussed over the past few weeks on the list but I
have a few more questions. I model 1957 so I am interested in cars with both
B&W heralds.
Stock # 47403 R-30-18 This car shows all orange hardware and no stripes
above and below the reporting marks. Per the painting and lettering
information in the PFE book this happened in 1951 and 19532 respectively.
The resolution isn't good enough to see if the periods are there or not.
However, it appears the UP medallion is red, white, and Blue. It should be
all black shouldn't it? Hopefully, IM will address this issue. Ed Hawkins
noted this also but I didn't see a reply to his email.

And I know these aren't out yet but does anyone think IM will do the -21 and
-19 in the later 50's schemes?

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
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IM upcoming PFE Reefers

Brian Carlson
 

These cars have been discussed over the past few weeks on the list but I
have a few more questions. I model 1957 so I am interested in cars with both
B&W heralds.
Stock # 47403 R-30-18 This car shows all orange hardware and no stripes
above and below the reporting marks. Per the painting and lettering
information in the PFE book this happened in 1951 and 19532 respectively.
The resolution isn't good enough to see if the periods are there or not.
However, it appears the UP medallion is red, white, and Blue. It should be
all black shouldn't it? Hopefully, IM will address this issue. Ed Hawkins
noted this also but I didn't see a reply to his email.

And I know these aren't out yet but does anyone think IM will do the -21 and
-19 in the later 50's schemes?


Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...


Re: 1916 Car Builders Dictionary [was] standard framing sizes

Ray Breyer
 

No slight taken Dennis! I suppose it would be useful to occasionally remind people where these CBDs are though; the 1916 is especially useful for most on this list.

Now if someone will just add a 1920s one to the site...

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, soolinehistory <destorzek@...> wrote:

From: soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 1916 Car Builders Dictionary [was] standard framing sizes
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 4:46 PM


--- In STMFC@...,
Ray Breyer <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:

Hi Dennis,

To be fair, I clued everyone into the existence of
this free CBD (and six others) four months ago. See message
#88526 for direct links to them all.

Just sayin'
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL
Ray,

I certainly didn't mean to slight anyone. When I wrote the
reply to Mr. Chattfield, I was trying to think of an on-line
source to send his friend to, and couldn't. Having someone
post the link to the 1916 CBD on another list the same day
was just luck, I guess.

Dennis



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Re: 1916 Car Builders Dictionary [was] standard framing sizes

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Ray Breyer wrote:

Hi Dennis,

To be fair, I clued everyone into the existence of this free CBD (and six others) four months ago. See message #88526 for direct links to them all.

I got it then, *and* the 1912 edition as well.
--
Nolan Hinshaw, native Californian since 1944
"Every freight train has at least one NP box car"
the Brock Corollary to the GN hypothesis


Re: MDT reefers

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

Just the 36 footers, the 34 foot cars weren't worth the investment


Roger Hinman

On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:35 PM, lrkdbn wrote:

I believe these 34-36 foot MDT cars were given "repair steel underframes" (steel center sills, bolsters and needle beams)
starting in the teens and continuing into the 1920's. They later
(post 1923) operated under ERDX reporting marks.
Larry King


Re: 1916 Car Builders Dictionary [was] standard framing sizes

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Ray Breyer <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:

Hi Dennis,

To be fair, I clued everyone into the existence of this free CBD (and six others) four months ago. See message #88526 for direct links to them all.

Just sayin'
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL
Ray,

I certainly didn't mean to slight anyone. When I wrote the reply to Mr. Chattfield, I was trying to think of an on-line source to send his friend to, and couldn't. Having someone post the link to the 1916 CBD on another list the same day was just luck, I guess.

Dennis


Re: DL&W wood auto boxcars

al_brown03
 

In TS CYC 75 (reprinted from the '43 CBC), p 425, is a photo of DL&W 12394. It's a "before" picture in an article about rebuilding with steel sides.

In Kaminski's Magor book, p 80, are two builder's photos of DL&W 12929 from series 12800-12999, built 7/24.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Ken" <kobrien1600@...> wrote:

I'm looking for info and pictures about the wood door and a half auto boxcars of the DL&W in series 12000 to 12999, built in the mid 1920's. They look like USRA double sheathed boxcars with a little extra height and 2 doors in a 10' opening.
I have a few dimensions from ORERs and a small hand full of pictures from Taber's Lackawanna series and the RPI website. Could use a few more photos and maybe a car diagram. These cars were gone by the end of WWII, since they aren't in my earliest car diagram book from 1947.

Ken O'Brien


Re: DL&W wood auto boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 3, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Ken wrote:

I'm looking for info and pictures about the wood door and a half
auto boxcars of the DL&W in series 12000 to 12999, built in the mid
1920's. They look like USRA double sheathed boxcars with a little
extra height and 2 doors in a 10' opening.
I have a few dimensions from ORERs and a small hand full of
pictures from Taber's Lackawanna series and the RPI website. Could
use a few more photos and maybe a car diagram. These cars were gone
by the end of WWII, since they aren't in my earliest car diagram
book from 1947.
Ken, I have a print of a builder's photo from the AC&F archives which
I will scan and send off-list.

Richard Hendrickson


DL&W wood auto boxcars

Ken O'Brien
 

I'm looking for info and pictures about the wood door and a half auto boxcars of the DL&W in series 12000 to 12999, built in the mid 1920's. They look like USRA double sheathed boxcars with a little extra height and 2 doors in a 10' opening.
I have a few dimensions from ORERs and a small hand full of pictures from Taber's Lackawanna series and the RPI website. Could use a few more photos and maybe a car diagram. These cars were gone by the end of WWII, since they aren't in my earliest car diagram book from 1947.

Ken O'Brien


Re: 1916 Car Builders Dictionary [was] standard framing sizes

Ray Breyer
 

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, soolinehistory <destorzek@...> wrote:
This is the first time I've had access to the 1916 edition;
1906 has been reprinted years ago in its entirety by Gregg,
but is now rare, 1912 and 1919 were excerpted in the TSC
series, and the 1922 is now available on CD from Rail
Driver. Having the full 1916 available nicely fills the need
to be able to view products and detail that were common
between 1906 and 1922.
Plus, it's free :-)
Dennis

Hi Dennis,

To be fair, I clued everyone into the existence of this free CBD (and six others) four months ago. See message #88526 for direct links to them all.

Just sayin'
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

(who's current project is downloading the 30 or so ORERs on Google Books)


1916 Car Builders Dictionary [was] standard framing sizes

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:

Scott,

It will help to identify the original owner of the car and also the built
date. The construction for double-sheathed house car with steel
fishbelly underframes typically was wood framed. As Dennis suggested find
the appropriate Car Builders' Dictionary for that period.
Well, as luck would have it, the 1916 Car Builders Dictionary is available on the web; someone just posted this link on the P:48 modeling list: (Yes Virginia, there is freightcar modeling in scales other than HO)

http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924032183216

This doesn't answer the question of exactly what car this was, but 1916 is the perfect year to find comparable cars; the USRA double sheathed cars of a few years later were the bitter end of wood body framing as far as boxcars were concerned, and had steel ends. The examples in the 1916 book are more typical.

This is the first time I've had access to the 1916 edition; 1906 has been reprinted years ago in its entirety by Gregg, but is now rare, 1912 and 1919 were excerpted in the TSC series, and the 1922 is now available on CD from Rail Driver. Having the full 1916 available nicely fills the need to be able to view products and detail that were common between 1906 and 1922.

Plus, it's free :-)

Dennis


Sunshine GATX Type 30 8k Tank Car

tmolsen@...
 

The Sunshine kits which Bill was referring to are Kits 87.1 through 87.16. As Bill did not specify the specific kit he found the discrepancy, then it could apply either one or all of the kits in this group.

So, as Bill has said, it is best that you check the kits that you have in this number series.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: Reporting Marks: Was, IC 40' box car decal

Guy Wilber
 

On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:06 PM, "moonmuln" <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:

Was a different size previously specified for the end lettering, or was that previously unspecified?
Jack,

4" letters and numerals for end markings were specified from 1905 thru 1960 for; house cars, tank cars, gons and hoppers.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Flat Cars Loaded with Bugattis

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

--- On Wed, 6/2/10, rwitt_2000 <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:







 









From the NY Times a photo story of a Bugatti collection being loaded on

to flat cars.Interestingly, a major Bugatti expert and collector lives on little old Bainbridge Island along with his collection (that includes many 50s classic irons). He was asked to run Pebble Beach after writing a long letter explaining how it could be better and more interesting to the public. He still brings nifty items to our little weekly car show.CJ Riley



















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Re: Flat Cars Loaded with Bugattis

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:06 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:

From the NY Times a photo story of a Bugatti collection being
loaded on
to flat cars.

http://tinyurl.com/33g46bd

I am not sure if the TTX cars were built after 1960, but C.G. was not.
To hell with those TTX cars, Bob, I want one of the Bugattis!

Richard Hendrickson


Sunshine GATX Type 30 8k Tank Car

william darnaby
 

I have discovered, after getting well into the kits, that the two Type 30 tank cars I picked up from Martin at Naperville have 10k gallon tanks instead of 8k.  These kits feature Intermountain tank bodies and resin everything else.  Martin says they received a long awaited order from IM of tank bodies just in time to pack kits for Naperville but not noticing that they were 10k instead of the requested 8k.  Since realizing the mistake at the end of last year, Martin has been attempting to get the correct 8k tanks out of IM but with no sucess.  IM did manage to ship 8k bottom halves and 10k top halves but that did not help things much.  Martin expects to get this sorted out in the next few weeks.
 
Anyway, Martin has no idea who has these kits so if you have purchased any check out the tank in your kit and compare it to the diagram in the kit that gives the tank diameter for both sizes.  The real tipoff, which is how I noticed it, is that the resin dome almost fits the 10k IM tank without modification to the opening.  If you have the wrong tank just drop Martin a line and it will be replaced.
 
BTW, I am not doing this on Martin's behalf.  I just thought you guys would like to know.
 
Bill Darnaby

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Re: Flat Cars Loaded with Bugattis

Todd Horton
 

Thanks Bob, I saw that after I had hit send. That C of G flat has a non revenue number, 34XXX,  I'm almost positive that was the one used for Blue Bird at Fort Valley.  Todd Horton




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From: rwitt_2000 <rwitt_2000@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 10:27:05 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Flat Cars Loaded with Bugattis

 

--- In STMFC@..., Todd Horton <toddchorton@...> wrote:

How can you tell that flat is marked CG? Todd Horton

It's photo 7 of 18 in the multimedia box of the story on the left side
of the page. - Bob Witt

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From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 10:10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Flat Cars Loaded with Bugattis

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Yes I pointed this story out on BBFCL last week... the auto racks
date from around 1963-1964. The CG flat car is stenciled 1962. I love
how the autos were just brought to a grade crossing and loaded right
there onto the flats.

Tim O'Connor

From the NY Times a photo story of a Bugatti collection being loaded
on
to flat cars.

http://tinyurl.com/33g46bd

I am not sure if the TTX cars were built after 1960, but C.G. was
not.

Bob Witt






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Re: Flat Cars Loaded with Bugattis

rwitt_2000
 

--- In STMFC@..., Todd Horton <toddchorton@...> wrote:

How can you tell that flat is marked CG? Todd Horton

It's photo 7 of 18 in the multimedia box of the story on the left side
of the page. - Bob Witt

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From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 10:10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Flat Cars Loaded with Bugattis

Â

Yes I pointed this story out on BBFCL last week... the auto racks
date from around 1963-1964. The CG flat car is stenciled 1962. I love
how the autos were just brought to a grade crossing and loaded right
there onto the flats.

Tim O'Connor

From the NY Times a photo story of a Bugatti collection being loaded
on
to flat cars.

http://tinyurl.com/33g46bd

I am not sure if the TTX cars were built after 1960, but C.G. was
not.

Bob Witt








Re: Flat Cars Loaded with Bugattis

Todd Horton
 

I saw the photo. If I not mistaken the C of G flat was converted to aid in the loading of Blue Bird busses at the Fort Valley Ga plant. Todd Horton




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From: rwitt_2000 <rwitt_2000@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 9:06:49 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Flat Cars Loaded with Bugattis

 
From the NY Times a photo story of a Bugatti collection being loaded on
to flat cars.

http://tinyurl.com/33g46bd

I am not sure if the TTX cars were built after 1960, but C.G. was not.

Bob Witt


Re: Flat Cars Loaded with Bugattis

Todd Horton
 

How can you tell that flat is marked CG? Todd Horton




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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 10:10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Flat Cars Loaded with Bugattis

 

Yes I pointed this story out on BBFCL last week... the auto racks
date from around 1963-1964. The CG flat car is stenciled 1962. I love
how the autos were just brought to a grade crossing and loaded right
there onto the flats.

Tim O'Connor

From the NY Times a photo story of a Bugatti collection being loaded on
to flat cars.

http://tinyurl.com/33g46bd

I am not sure if the TTX cars were built after 1960, but C.G. was not.

Bob Witt






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