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Re: decal finishing help

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

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<more
<benign to humans and airbrush seals is Windex or another ammonia
<containing
<glass cleaner. (It will work for any acrylic paint.) I have two cleaner
<bottles at my painting station; one with Windex and one with tap water.
<Alternating the two a couple of times through the brush and color cup
<cleans
<it all out.
<
<You ought to try one of the acrylic flat clears, such as PollyScale's or
<Tamiya's. You mentioned throwing away the Future if it ages and gets
<yellow, yet we use Dullcoat that's already yellow/brown on the hobby
<shop
<shelf !!
<
<KL

I should have mentioned that I clean out the air brush with lacquer thinner
since I use Floquil enamels exclusively for painting and thus am concerned
about water being left in the air brush. The suggestion for not using Future
after it gets yellow came from Finescale Modeler...

Jack


Re: decal finishing help

mforsyth127
 

Brian J Carlson wrote:

I've not been happy with my last few decaling projects with Testor's
Glosscote. Any thoughts are appreciated.
Brian,

I do a lot of custom brass work (mostly "O" scale but also some "S" and "HO") for clients all over the US and Japan. I also custom paint and letter the completed models. These a VERY demanding folks.

I went through all the common clear topcoats that the hobby traditiionally uses, and then a few years ago, discovered Krylon 1311 Matte Finish. It's the clear, non-yellowing topcoat that is most often used by artists in setting completed charcoal drawings on paper.

http://paint-and-supplies.hardwarestore.com/49-266-all-purpose-spray-paint/krylon-spray-paint-464560.aspx


It gives "beyond" fabulous results (sprayed right from the can). I have since totally given up on Testors and other products, and use the 1311 exclusively.

In the past, I have attempted to place images in a folder in the photo section, but since all have to be approved, and none ever have (still waiting), I'd be more than happy to send you a few pics off line of some completed models.

I recently finished off a mega-redetailing, re-powering and painting/lettering of an "O" scale brass PRR I1sa. Again, I would be more than happy to send you or anyone else that would like to see, images of completed models on which I used the 1311 spray.

mforsyth127@...


Matt Forsyth


Modeling the D&H Penn Division/
Erie Jefferson Division
in "O" Scale, Summer 1952


Unusual Perishables

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Looking at the NP perishables book I saw some unexpected items listed as perishables:

Liquid blacking, which looks to be essentially shoe polish
Liquid polish
Sodium perborate
Paradichlorobenzene, aka, moth crystals
Stearine (stearin)
Mineral water crystals

Casual checking doesn't show any particular concerns with these between freezing and about 125F, so does anyone know what makes these items "perishable"?

KL


Re: decal finishing help

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Brain,



I just used Future for the first time on a few freight cars and was very happy with the results.  As Jack mentioned, it is not necessary to apply to the entire car; I sprayed several light coats and allowed to dry overnight. I sprayed windshield washer fluid through my air brush to clean it.  When applying the decals, I used just water to set them in place, instead of the Micro Blue label; I blotted the excess water. I too applied Dullcote over the model. I am very happy with the results and will use it for future projects.



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian J Carlson" <prrk41361@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2010 10:30:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] decal finishing help

 




I've not been happy with my last few decaling projects with Testor's
Glosscote. Lots of work with setting solutions and creative weathering have
helped make them better but I am looking for other decal finishing options.
I've used Glosscote for years originally from spray cans so any thoughts are
appreciated. I've heard about Future from others anything special I should
know. Spray right from bottle or dilute?

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...




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Re: decal finishing help

Barrybennetttoo@...
 

Try

_www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html_
(http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html)

I have used it mainly to make plastic windows look like glass, and it makes
a better water effect than varnish.

Johnsons Klear has gone from the shelves here in the UK as it needs ammonia
solution to clean it off properly, which make a lovely whiff when used to
clean an air brush. Definitely an outdoor job.

There is a substitute that I have not tried yet, which can be cleaned up
with vinegar.

Cheers

Barry Bennett
Coventry, England.

In a message dated 05/06/2010 12:21:07 GMT Standard Time,
jfbrewer@... writes:






Brain,

I just used Future for the first time on a few freight cars and was very
happy with the results. As Jack mentioned, it is not necessary to apply to
the entire car; I sprayed several light coats and allowed to dry overnight.
I sprayed windshield washer fluid through my air brush to clean it. When
applying the decals, I used just water to set them in place, instead of the
Micro Blue label; I blotted the excess water. I too applied Dullcote over
the model. I am very happy with the results and will use it for future
projects.

Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian J Carlson" <_prrk41361@...
(mailto:prrk41361@...) >
To: _STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...)
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2010 10:30:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [STMFC] decal finishing help



I've not been happy with my last few decaling projects with Testor's
Glosscote. Lots of work with setting solutions and creative weathering
have
helped make them better but I am looking for other decal finishing
options.
I've used Glosscote for years originally from spray cans so any thoughts
are
appreciated. I've heard about Future from others anything special I should
know. Spray right from bottle or dilute?

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
_prrk41361@... (mailto:prrk41361@...)

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Re: decal finishing help

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

An equally effective alternative to lacquer thinner but less stinky and more benign to humans and airbrush seals is Windex or another ammonia containing glass cleaner. (It will work for any acrylic paint.) I have two cleaner bottles at my painting station; one with Windex and one with tap water. Alternating the two a couple of times through the brush and color cup cleans it all out.

You ought to try one of the acrylic flat clears, such as PollyScale's or Tamiya's. You mentioned throwing away the Future if it ages and gets yellow, yet we use Dullcoat that's already yellow/brown on the hobby shop shelf !!

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Burgess

. . . As soon as I finish air brushing the Future, I'll run
clean water through the air brush followed by some lacquer thinner just to
make sure all of the water is out of the air brush. After decaling, an
application of Dullcoat will get it back to a flat finish.


Re: ballast cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

These appear to be the Athearn version of the old MDC ballast hoppers. They can't compare with the Atlas.
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Gates
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ballast cars



Was this on the trainworldonline.com site? I can't find the four pack listed.

Jim Gates

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From: Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
To: stmfc@...
Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 6:13:59 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ballast cars

List,

ATSF modelers might be interested to know trainworld is unloading a set of 4
ballast hoppers for $24.99 in ATSF mineral red. IIRC, it's the older scheme.

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Re: decal finishing help

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Yes, Future works GREAT! Use it straight from the bottle and spray light
coats to let it build up slowly. You don't need to apply it to an entire
side of the car if you don't need to...just areas where decals will be
applied. For example, for ends, I generally air brush only the top right
corner. Hold the car up to a light and on an angle as you air brush it to
watch the coverage and build up. I usually let it dry for 24 hour before
decaling the car. As soon as I finish air brushing the Future, I'll run
clean water through the air brush followed by some lacquer thinner just to
make sure all of the water is out of the air brush. After decaling, an
application of Dullcoat will get it back to a flat finish.

If the Future turns yellow in the bottle, it is time to throw it out.

For things like flat cars with wood (real wood) side sills and wood
crossbucks, I'll brush on an application. No problem.

If you would even more confirmation, there is a complete article (which they
do every couple of years) in the current issue of Finescale Modeler.

Future is sold in other countries under different brand names and for more
information:

http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: ballast cars

Jim Gates
 

Was this on the trainworldonline.com site? I can't find the four pack listed.

Jim Gates




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From: Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
To: stmfc@...
Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 6:13:59 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ballast cars


List,

ATSF modelers might be interested to know trainworld is unloading a set of 4
ballast hoppers for $24.99 in ATSF mineral red. IIRC, it's the older scheme.

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decal finishing help

Brian Carlson
 

I've not been happy with my last few decaling projects with Testor's
Glosscote. Lots of work with setting solutions and creative weathering have
helped make them better but I am looking for other decal finishing options.
I've used Glosscote for years originally from spray cans so any thoughts are
appreciated. I've heard about Future from others anything special I should
know. Spray right from bottle or dilute?

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
prrk41361@...


ballast cars

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

List,

         ATSF modelers might be interested to know trainworld is unloading a set of 4
ballast hoppers for $24.99 in ATSF mineral red. IIRC, it's the older scheme.

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Re: another set

 

Excellent, again, Jerry! Will be getting a decal order together, soon.
 
Rich Christie

--- On Fri, 6/4/10, jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...> wrote:


From: jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...>
Subject: [STMFC] another set
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 1:47 PM


 



I hope the guy who goaded me into doing this set wasn't wrong. He said it would be a big seller as the Champ set is no longer available. See:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/PRR_H21.jpg

I've done something new with this set to ease multiple purchasers who want a fleet. I have specific car numbers with corresponding built dates and a typical reweight date. You can of course cut and rearrange if necessary but IIRC I have numbers and data for 5 H21As and 2 H21Es on the set. One car per set.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals


Re: another set

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jerry;

If you want this announced in TKM, let us know. We need price, date of
availability, and where to send $$.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
jerryglow@...
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:47 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] another set



I hope the guy who goaded me into doing this set wasn't wrong. He said it
would be a big seller as the Champ set is no longer available. See:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/PRR_H21.jpg

I've done something new with this set to ease multiple purchasers who want a
fleet. I have specific car numbers with corresponding built dates and a
typical reweight date. You can of course cut and rearrange if necessary but
IIRC I have numbers and data for 5 H21As and 2 H21Es on the set. One car per
set.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals


another set

jerryglow2
 

I hope the guy who goaded me into doing this set wasn't wrong. He said it would be a big seller as the Champ set is no longer available. See:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/PRR_H21.jpg

I've done something new with this set to ease multiple purchasers who want a fleet. I have specific car numbers with corresponding built dates and a typical reweight date. You can of course cut and rearrange if necessary but IIRC I have numbers and data for 5 H21As and 2 H21Es on the set. One car per set.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals


Re: Terry Wegman PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

JP Barger
 

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]On Behalf Of Ed
Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:57 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Terry Wegman PFE R-30-16 conversion sets

Hi, Ed et al: As you were composing your emaiI , Ed, I was on the
phone with Larry Leicht at IRC during which we were again discussing the
lettering and herald changes to item IRC 47403, PFE R-30-18. Larry concluded
that in the current run IRC should correct the colored UP herald and
continue to offer the car with the correct post 1946 double heralds ( the UP
herald in the colored version). This leaves the post 1951 scheme to a future
run, of which he will be mindful.


On Jun 2, 2010, at 12:50 PM, JP Barger wrote:

> There is one more change accurately pointed out by Ed Hawkins after a
> look
> at the flyer. That is the appearance of the colored UP shield on item
> 47403.
> It needs to be modified to remove the word Railroad from the upper
> blue
> field, and the white border on the shield needs to be removed, also.
> These
> two incorrect details (on the 1946 UP heralds) are featured later on
> the
> post 1951 black and white UP heralds. Again, there is plenty of time
> to make
> these changes.

J.P.
Of course, the other way to correct the error is to simply change the
color of the UP medallion to black and white while retaining everything
else "as is" on the model. Better yet, for modelers interested in
either the late 1940s period or the post-1953 period (which the model
#47403 would represent without periods in the reporting marks), both
versions would be appreciated.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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1946 NP Perishable Book

railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
 

I have posted to STMFPH (the old photo overflow site) a pdf file of a 1946 Northern Pacific book on handling of perishables. It is in the files section in the folder 1946 NP Perishable Book. The file is fairly large, almost 4MB, and for some reason my pdf creator has made it a little blurry. I placed it in the other site's files section because STMFC is at its max.

I also have this in word which is clearer but it is 10MB in size and is too large to be posted. I can send this if someone is interested.

The book has lots of good info on how refrigerator cars were loaded and handled.

Rich


Re: IM upcoming PFE Reefers

Paul Lyons
 

Great answer...

Paul Lyons

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From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:35 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: IM upcoming PFE Reefers




I only bet on sure things.....
-Andy Carlson

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From: "cobrapsl@..." <cobrapsl@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 9:26:43 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: IM upcoming PFE Reefers

So Andy, What is your bet? Frank will correct the paint, or just not worry about it, because they are going to sell out one way or the other.

Paul Lyons

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Re: IM upcoming PFE Reefers

Andy Carlson
 

I only bet on sure things.....
-Andy Carlson





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From: "cobrapsl@..." <cobrapsl@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, June 3, 2010 9:26:43 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: IM upcoming PFE Reefers



So Andy, What is your bet? Frank will correct the paint, or just not worry about it, because they are going to sell out one way or the other.

Paul Lyons

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Re: IM upcoming PFE Reefers

Paul Lyons
 

So Andy, What is your bet? Frank will correct the paint, or just not worry about it, because they are going to sell out one way or the other.

Paul Lyons

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From: Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thu, Jun 3, 2010 9:20 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: IM upcoming PFE Reefers






I have been a dealer with Intermountain for over 10 years, and I have enjoyed purchases from their "Inventory Reduction sales" which allows me passing bargains onto fellow modelers. I have seen many boxcars, tank cars, flats and reefers, including Tichy stuff, come up specially priced, but NEVER have I seen any of Terry's wood side reefers get clearanced. Frank has admitted that they sell-out, but he seems to be always reluctant to rerun them. This run came about because of Terry's persistence. Frank makes the claim that the Chinese factory complains about assembling the flat kits, though I think he may be exaggerating a bit, for I have found the fit of Terry's refrigerator car parts to be nice and precise.
-Andy Carlson

Paul said:

IM has been doing these R-30-18, 19, and 21 PFE reefers for the 5, or 6 years, and has "blown" the correct paint on almost all of them. I see no reason why they would correct this run, since they sell them out in a hurry, right, or wrong!

Paul Lyons

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Re: IM upcoming PFE Reefers

Andy Carlson
 

I have been a dealer with Intermountain for over 10 years, and I have enjoyed purchases from their "Inventory Reduction sales" which allows me passing bargains onto fellow modelers. I have seen many boxcars, tank cars, flats and reefers, including Tichy stuff, come up specially priced, but NEVER have I seen any of Terry's wood side reefers get clearanced. Frank has admitted that they sell-out, but he seems to be always reluctant to rerun them. This run came about because of Terry's persistence. Frank makes the claim that the Chinese factory complains about assembling the flat kits, though I think he may be exaggerating a bit, for I have found the fit of Terry's refrigerator car parts to be nice and precise.
-Andy Carlson

Paul said:

IM has been doing these R-30-18, 19, and 21 PFE reefers for the 5, or 6 years, and has "blown" the correct paint on almost all of them. I see no reason why they would correct this run, since they sell them out in a hurry, right, or wrong!

Paul Lyons

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