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Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

Tim O'Connor
 

The photo is interesting because you can see the floor plates.
I think these were available at one time as etched parts from
Sunshine... I have seen them in only a couple of photos.

Also note the CB&Q flat car (8922x) to the right, and the UP
box car to the left.

Tim O'Connor

http://media.digitalarchives.wa.gov/WA.Media/do/FC82059AECD18CDAE08BF23FA386DCCD.jpg

You've found a great example of the Dr. P. H. Martin school of photo retouching :-)

If you click on the "View larger image" then right click the image, you should open a version that you can zoom in on. It's a Great Northern car, as evidenced by the Great Northern Railway equipment trust lettering on the upper left corner of the car side; just to the left on the car end you can see the brush stroke that obliterated the end reporting mark. The fanciful lettering scheme was an attempt to cover the rest of the GN markings with something relatively believable, kind of like the AAR's East & West R.R. This sort of thing was done from time to time when a company wanted to use a photo in an ad and didn't want to appear to show favoritism to one railroad over another, although the more usual way to do this was to simply airbrush the identifying marks out on the print.

Dennis


Re: IC box car end view

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:53 AM, frtcar wrote:

Would anyone know of a photo showing B end details on an Illinois
Central 18000-19999 series box car?

Staffan Ehnbom
Staffan, here's a high-res scan of an Ernest Steffan photo ca. 1940
in the Kalmbach Library collection.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, S hed <shed999@...> wrote:


I found something that I have never seen before, a "Commercial Inland Railway" box car. Its at this link:



http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=51DBCFAA29B0966B48149F8FE755EA46



I have no idea where this railway is and I'm hoping some of you might shed some light on this. Thanks.



- Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA

You've found a great example of the Dr. P. H. Martin school of photo retouching :-)

If you click on the "View larger image" then right click the image, you should open a version that you can zoom in on. It's a Great Northern car, as evidenced by the Great Northern Railway equipment trust lettering on the upper left corner of the car side; just to the left on the car end you can see the brush stroke that obliterated the end reporting mark. The fanciful lettering scheme was an attempt to cover the rest of the GN markings with something relatively believable, kind of like the AAR's East & West R.R. This sort of thing was done from time to time when a company wanted to use a photo in an ad and didn't want to appear to show favoritism to one railroad over another, although the more usual way to do this was to simply airbrush the identifying marks out on the print.

Dennis


Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

mopacfirst
 

That's a Great Northern car, retouched.

http://www.greatnorthernempire.net/index2.htm?GNEFreightCars.htm

GN 6000-6499, 1959.

Remember the AAR publicity, that featured N&W cars retouched to 'East & West Ry."?

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, S hed <shed999@...> wrote:


I found something that I have never seen before, a "Commercial Inland Railway" box car. Its at this link:



http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=51DBCFAA29B0966B48149F8FE755EA46



I have no idea where this railway is and I'm hoping some of you might shed some light on this. Thanks.



- Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA

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Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

Bruce Smith
 

On Jun 17, 2010, at 2:59 PM, S hed wrote:


I found something that I have never seen before, a "Commercial Inland Railway" box car. Its at this link:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx? RID=51DBCFAA29B0966B48149F8FE755EA46
Steve,

Interestingly, the description at the link says "Central Inland Railway", not "Commercial..." although the car is clearly lettered "Commercial Inland Railway" with reporting marks CIRR. However, the only owner of those reporting marks I can find is the Chattahoochee Industrial R.R. and much out of our era (1/75-7/2000).

A close look at the photo shows a new date of 4/59 and the reporting marks, herald and banner by the door are all painted onto the photo, over an existing car. Weird! My SWAG is that this was done as either a sample for what a proposed RR might look like, or simply to disguise the identity of the car.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

Aley, Jeff A
 

If you view the photo full-size it appears that the photo has been altered. In the upper-left corner of the car is a Great Northern Railway Trust stencil.

The Commercial Inland Railway logo looks hand-lettered, and looks like it was painted onto the photo.

Regards,

-Jeff


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I found something that I have never seen before, a "Commercial Inland Railway" box car. Its at this link:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=51DBCFAA29B0966B48149F8FE755EA46

I have no idea where this railway is and I'm hoping some of you might shed some light on this. Thanks.

- Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA

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Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

S hed <shed999@...>
 

I found something that I have never seen before, a "Commercial Inland Railway" box car. Its at this link:



http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=51DBCFAA29B0966B48149F8FE755EA46



I have no idea where this railway is and I'm hoping some of you might shed some light on this. Thanks.



- Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA

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Re: IC box car end view

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Thanks several listers for your helpful responses. Problem is solved.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hayes" <jimhayes97225@gmail.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] IC box car end view


The photo Lou is talking about can be seen here.
www.sunshinekits.com/suninst/instmk10.pdf

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:34 AM, LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@verizon.net>wrote:



There is a small 3/4 view including the B end of 18862, new in 1939 -- an
ACF's builder photo -- on the "Prototype Data and Modeling Notes" sheet of
Sunshine Models' Mini-Kit for this series of IC boxcar. It's not good copy
on the sheet -- the end is quite dark.

I jumped the gun on my previous reply -- sorry!

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ

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Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 10:53:41 AM
Subject: [STMFC] IC box car end view


Would anyone know of a photo showing B end details on an Illinois Central
18000-19999 series box car?

Staffan Ehnbom







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Re: HOBBY BLACK

chapbob@...
 

And some of us may recall the days in the 40s/early-50s when MR
promoted the use of "stove polish"....

Bob Chapman


Re: IC box car end view

Jim Hayes
 

The photo Lou is talking about can be seen here.
www.sunshinekits.com/suninst/instmk10.pdf

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:34 AM, LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@verizon.net>wrote:



There is a small 3/4 view including the B end of 18862, new in 1939 -- an
ACF's builder photo -- on the "Prototype Data and Modeling Notes" sheet of
Sunshine Models' Mini-Kit for this series of IC boxcar. It's not good copy
on the sheet -- the end is quite dark.

I jumped the gun on my previous reply -- sorry!

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ

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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 10:53:41 AM
Subject: [STMFC] IC box car end view


Would anyone know of a photo showing B end details on an Illinois Central
18000-19999 series box car?

Staffan Ehnbom

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Re: IC box car end view

LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
 

There is a 3/4 view of 19612 in September 1946 that shows the B end in The Postwar Freight Car Fleet by Kline and Culotta.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ




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Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 10:53:41 AM
Subject: [STMFC] IC box car end view

 
Would anyone know of a photo showing B end details on an Illinois Central 18000-19999 series box car?

Staffan Ehnbom


Re: IC box car end view

LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
 

There is a small 3/4 view including the B end of 18862, new in 1939 -- an ACF's builder photo -- on the "Prototype Data and Modeling Notes" sheet of Sunshine Models' Mini-Kit for this series of IC boxcar. It's not good copy on the sheet -- the end is quite dark.

I jumped the gun on my previous reply -- sorry!

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ




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From: frtcar <staffan.ehnbom@telia.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 10:53:41 AM
Subject: [STMFC] IC box car end view

 
Would anyone know of a photo showing B end details on an Illinois Central 18000-19999 series box car?

Staffan Ehnbom


IC box car end view

frtcar <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Would anyone know of a photo showing B end details on an Illinois Central 18000-19999 series box car?

Staffan Ehnbom


Sunshine NYC 1 1/2 door box- was Re: NYC freight car lettering

brianleppert@att.net
 

In Morning Sun's "Nickel Plate Color Photography of Willis A. McCaleb Vol. 1", page 116, is a photo with what appears to be Sunshine's NYC 1-1/2 door reblt. steel box car. It has Youngstown doors, 7 grab irons for the ladder, obvious seam for the extended height and ROMAN lettering--I think. Herald without black background is on the right hand side. Can't see the style of roof. Photo, dated 1956, is too fuzzy to make out car number.

Does this maybe validate Sunshine's kit #93.1, Youngstown doors with Roman lettering?

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "william darnaby" <WDarnaby@...> wrote:

First, I am not an NYC expert and do not play one at prototype meets. I
only know what I was
told by the guy who made the masters. During research for the project they
could not find any photos of cars with Youngstown doors with Roman lettering
and, therefore, the safe conclusion he reached is that the door replacement
occured during the 1955 rebuilding by which time Gothic was standard. He
was standing behind me as I purchased my kit at Naperville and advised me
that the Gothic lettering was the only safe bet.

Sunshine went to the usual NYC sources for reference and found that the
rebuilding data and lot numbers was even more convoluted and inconclusive
than typical. If anyone has a photo of a Youngstown door car and Roman
lettering please stand up and give us the car number and reweigh date.

FWIW, work is being done on masters for the increased height rebuilds with
the original roofs and panel doors which will be certainly correct for Roman
lettering.

Bill


Re: HOBBY BLACK

Bill Welch
 

I like using white vinegar to etch brass parts prior to painting.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Gjermundson" <npin53@...> wrote:

Bleach blackens brass/copper/silver in this way too.

Aaron


Re: HOBBY BLACK

npin53
 

Bleach blackens brass/copper/silver in this way too.

Aaron


Re: HOBBY BLACK

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 16, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Ned Carey wrote:

The product claims that it does not
chip or rub off. Not true in my case.

That has been my experience also. It seemed to easily rub or chip
off. Although I regularly hear of others using it, presumably
succesfully, I never followed up to figure what might be the problem.
Though the oxide coating deposited by chemical blackeners is very
thin and will rub off, leaving shiny spots, it is much less likely to
do so if coated with a clear flat finish. However, this discussion
hasn't addressed what I consider to be the most important property of
chemical blackeners, which is that they etch and dull the metal, thus
providing an excellent surface for the adhesion of paint. I
routinely toss metal grab irons, sill steps, hand brake staffs, etc.
into chemical blackener for a minute or so, rinse and dry them, and
then paint them either before or after installation, whichever seems
easier. After being etched in this fashion, they require only a thin
coat of paint and the paint adheres much better than to shiny bare
metal.


Richard Hendrickson


B&O Auto Cars; was, Strange boxcar ID

Guy Wilber
 

Robert Wrote:

In 1947, the stated
date of the photo, the B&O had 316 class M-27B's and 177 M-27F's on
their roster. Take your pick the boxcar could be hauling automobiles or
in general merchandise service.
Robert,

Were the M-27B class numbered in the 294000 series? If not, were these the M-27F class or another? Totals favor the F series.

By June of 1937 the B&O registered 491 40' cars equipped with Auto- Loaders. That total was reduced to 180 cars by September of 1942. In 1945, the first year that Bulletin 28 was issued within the ORER the 294000-294179 series shows 176 cars equipped with Type 'E' racks. By April of 1949 the number of cars dwindled to 2 cars (294022 & 294174). Both cars were not equipped by 1952.

Thanks,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: HOBBY BLACK

Rich C
 

I remember way back when, we used Nickel Chloride as a blackener.
 
Rich Christie

--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: HOBBY BLACK
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 3:00 PM


 



Hobby Black's active ingredient is the poison selinium dioxide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selenium_dioxide

You might be able to find it, or similar chemicals, at a gun shop.

Tim O'Connor

At 6/16/2010 03:15 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
I used Hobby Black many years ago and dont recall any chipping or flaking. I worked in a factory that used a similar chemical coloring process referred to as "Black Oxide" finish. This chemically etches the the surfaces and adheres to the metal. I am wondering if the chipping you refer too may actually be a spot where the metal surfacre may not have been 100% clean and the process didn't make the bond.

Other than that I dont have much else to offer. The oxidation should adere and bond with the metal and its not like a paint coating.

Robert Federle


Re: HOBBY BLACK

Ned Carey <nedspam@...>
 

The product claims that it does not
chip or rub off. Not true in my case.

That has been my experience also. It seemed to easily rub or chip off. Although I regularly hear of others using it, presumably succesfully, I never followed up to figure what might be the problem.

Ned Carey

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