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Sunshine NYC 1 1/2 door box- was Re: NYC freight car lettering

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Brian,

Works for me! One can never say never because sooner or later, a photo will surface to show proof that what was said to be never, does exist in a time period that it supposedly did not!

Tom Olsen
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Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Yes, the diagram for the GN 6000-6499 says "Flooring__NSF__Stra?-Steel" with the fifth letter in the Stra-word unreadable.

Staffan Ehnbom

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--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
>
> The photo is interesting because you can see the floor plates.
> I think these were available at one time as etched parts from
> Sunshine... I have seen them in only a couple of photos.
>
> Tim O'Connor
>
> http://media.digitalarchives.wa.gov/WA.Media/do/FC82059AECD18CDAE08BF23FA386DCCD.jpg

I think that's a Nailable Steel Floor. Can someone with an equipment diagram for this car series confirm?

Dennis


Re: Hopper/boxcars (was Excuses . . .covered (cement) hoppers?)

cliffprather
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Garth G. Groff" <ggg9y@...> wrote:

The Western Pacific operated some single-sheathed tight-bottom boxcars
with roof hatches into the 1960s. They were used in plaster service out
of Gerlach, Nevada. The WP also converted two 1945 steel AAR boxcars
into full covered hoppers with bottom gates, sloped floors (maple
plywood, no less) and roof hatches. The door space was filled with a
solid panel. These were leased to the SP and used in sugar service out
of the Spreckles plant at Dyer near Santa Ana.However, these conversion

Kind regards,


Garth Groff
The sugar factory at Dyer was a Holly Sugar Corp. plant. Holly and Spreckles were seperate companys until a merger in 1996.

Cliff Prather


Re: Mod 1937 AAR vs. 1942 AAR.

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

The link to the Sunshine sheet that Jim Hayes posted reminded of a
question
I have been meaning to ask. In most literature that I have seen the
10'-6"
IH cars built before the postwar period have been referred to as
Modified
1937 AAR design. Others, in the 40's, have been referred to as the
1942 AAR
design cars. I see fewer references to the 42 design cars. Was
there an
actual 1942 design and what was different than the mod. 1937 cars,
or is
this a modelers term like PS-0 for Pullman's lightweight pre-war
boxcars?
(PS-0 is probably one of my biggest pet peeves when it comes to
freight
cars)
Brian, a number of railroads began in the late 1930s to order box
cars of AAR design which were taller than standard (between 10'4" and
10'6" instead of 10'0"), for example Illinois Central and Soo Line
ca. 1939-'40 with square cornered ends and Santa Fe, CB&Q, DSS&A,
Erie, Rock Island, etc. ca. 1940-'41 with W-section corner posts and
round cornered ends. As the 1937 AAR box car was the standard design
at that time, these cars came to be called modified 1937 AAR cars;
see, for example the 1946 Car Builders' Cyclopedia, pp. 110-111,
where the Erie car is so identified.

The AAR Car Construction Committee, seeing the handwriting on the
wall, then approved an optional increase in inside height of the
standard box car to 10'6". This became effective in October, 1941
and has often been called the 1942 AAR standard design to
differentiate it from the 1937 design, on the one hand, and the 1944
postwar standard design with Dreadnaught ends and steel running
boards on the other. All of these terms are a kind of shorthand
representing the dates when the changes were made to the drawings and
dimensions in the AAR manual and its supplements. Bear in mind that
the AAR wasn't interested in history, so from their perspective the
standard box car design was whatever was shown in the current manual
and supplements at any given point in time.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

The photo is interesting because you can see the floor plates.
I think these were available at one time as etched parts from
Sunshine... I have seen them in only a couple of photos.

Tim O'Connor

http://media.digitalarchives.wa.gov/WA.Media/do/FC82059AECD18CDAE08BF23FA386DCCD.jpg
I think that's a Nailable Steel Floor. Can someone with an equipment diagram for this car series confirm?

Dennis


Mod 1937 AAR vs. 1942 AAR.

Brian Carlson
 

The link to the Sunshine sheet that Jim Hayes posted reminded of a question
I have been meaning to ask. In most literature that I have seen the 10'-6"
IH cars built before the postwar period have been referred to as Modified
1937 AAR design. Others, in the 40's, have been referred to as the 1942 AAR
design cars. I see fewer references to the 42 design cars. Was there an
actual 1942 design and what was different than the mod. 1937 cars, or is
this a modelers term like PS-0 for Pullman's lightweight pre-war boxcars?
(PS-0 is probably one of my biggest pet peeves when it comes to freight
cars)

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
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Re: NYC boxcar roofs revisited

Tim O'Connor
 

great shot!

what kinda running boards are those? looks like a combination of
Gypsum (expanded metal) and Apex (grid) styles.

Tim O'Connor

At 6/17/2010 10:02 PM Thursday, you wrote:
Today I stumbled across that old Gerrit Bruins image of Pullmans, tank cars and boxcars in Albany that I posted several years ago. Front and center are two of the NYC steel boxcars recently discussed with replacement rectangular panel roofs. Here's the link to that portion of the image:

http://www.pullmanproject.com/NYC_Boxcars.jpg

The photo was taken around 1958.

Tom Madden


NYC boxcar roofs revisited

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Today I stumbled across that old Gerrit Bruins image of Pullmans, tank cars and boxcars in Albany that I posted several years ago. Front and center are two of the NYC steel boxcars recently discussed with replacement rectangular panel roofs. Here's the link to that portion of the image:

http://www.pullmanproject.com/NYC_Boxcars.jpg

The photo was taken around 1958.

Tom Madden


C&W GS gondola

Tim O'Connor
 

Anyone know the history behind this C&W gondola, seen here in 1963?
Looks like it might be ex-D&RGW or ex-UtahCoal.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130399947147

Tim O'Connor


Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

SUVCWORR@...
 

Also note the builders plate on the side sill -- St Cloud Shops GN.

Rich Orr

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Sent: Thu, Jun 17, 2010 3:51 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car


The photo is interesting because you can see the floor plates.

I think these were available at one time as etched parts from

Sunshine... I have seen them in only a couple of photos.



Also note the CB&Q flat car (8922x) to the right, and the UP

box car to the left.



Tim O'Connor



http://media.digitalarchives.wa.gov/WA.Media/do/FC82059AECD18CDAE08BF23FA386DCCD.jpg





You've found a great example of the Dr. P. H. Martin school of photo retouching
:-)

If you click on the "View larger image" then right click the image, you should
open a version that you can zoom in on. It's a Great Northern car, as evidenced

by the Great Northern Railway equipment trust lettering on the upper left corner

of the car side; just to the left on the car end you can see the brush stroke

that obliterated the end reporting mark. The fanciful lettering scheme was an

attempt to cover the rest of the GN markings with something relatively

believable, kind of like the AAR's East & West R.R. This sort of thing was done

from time to time when a company wanted to use a photo in an ad and didn't want

to appear to show favoritism to one railroad over another, although the more

usual way to do this was to simply airbrush the identifying marks out on the

print.

Dennis






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Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

mopacfirst
 

I have a catalog illustration showing the shipping of valves, on a loading dock with an SP steel boxcar. The car has the prominent spelled-out roadname airbrushed out.

Ron Merrick


Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

Tim O'Connor
 

The photo is interesting because you can see the floor plates.
I think these were available at one time as etched parts from
Sunshine... I have seen them in only a couple of photos.

Also note the CB&Q flat car (8922x) to the right, and the UP
box car to the left.

Tim O'Connor

http://media.digitalarchives.wa.gov/WA.Media/do/FC82059AECD18CDAE08BF23FA386DCCD.jpg

You've found a great example of the Dr. P. H. Martin school of photo retouching :-)

If you click on the "View larger image" then right click the image, you should open a version that you can zoom in on. It's a Great Northern car, as evidenced by the Great Northern Railway equipment trust lettering on the upper left corner of the car side; just to the left on the car end you can see the brush stroke that obliterated the end reporting mark. The fanciful lettering scheme was an attempt to cover the rest of the GN markings with something relatively believable, kind of like the AAR's East & West R.R. This sort of thing was done from time to time when a company wanted to use a photo in an ad and didn't want to appear to show favoritism to one railroad over another, although the more usual way to do this was to simply airbrush the identifying marks out on the print.

Dennis


Re: IC box car end view

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:53 AM, frtcar wrote:

Would anyone know of a photo showing B end details on an Illinois
Central 18000-19999 series box car?

Staffan Ehnbom
Staffan, here's a high-res scan of an Ernest Steffan photo ca. 1940
in the Kalmbach Library collection.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:


I found something that I have never seen before, a "Commercial Inland Railway" box car. Its at this link:



http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=51DBCFAA29B0966B48149F8FE755EA46



I have no idea where this railway is and I'm hoping some of you might shed some light on this. Thanks.



- Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA

You've found a great example of the Dr. P. H. Martin school of photo retouching :-)

If you click on the "View larger image" then right click the image, you should open a version that you can zoom in on. It's a Great Northern car, as evidenced by the Great Northern Railway equipment trust lettering on the upper left corner of the car side; just to the left on the car end you can see the brush stroke that obliterated the end reporting mark. The fanciful lettering scheme was an attempt to cover the rest of the GN markings with something relatively believable, kind of like the AAR's East & West R.R. This sort of thing was done from time to time when a company wanted to use a photo in an ad and didn't want to appear to show favoritism to one railroad over another, although the more usual way to do this was to simply airbrush the identifying marks out on the print.

Dennis


Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

mopacfirst
 

That's a Great Northern car, retouched.

http://www.greatnorthernempire.net/index2.htm?GNEFreightCars.htm

GN 6000-6499, 1959.

Remember the AAR publicity, that featured N&W cars retouched to 'East & West Ry."?

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:


I found something that I have never seen before, a "Commercial Inland Railway" box car. Its at this link:



http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=51DBCFAA29B0966B48149F8FE755EA46



I have no idea where this railway is and I'm hoping some of you might shed some light on this. Thanks.



- Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA

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Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

Bruce Smith
 

On Jun 17, 2010, at 2:59 PM, S hed wrote:


I found something that I have never seen before, a "Commercial Inland Railway" box car. Its at this link:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx? RID=51DBCFAA29B0966B48149F8FE755EA46
Steve,

Interestingly, the description at the link says "Central Inland Railway", not "Commercial..." although the car is clearly lettered "Commercial Inland Railway" with reporting marks CIRR. However, the only owner of those reporting marks I can find is the Chattahoochee Industrial R.R. and much out of our era (1/75-7/2000).

A close look at the photo shows a new date of 4/59 and the reporting marks, herald and banner by the door are all painted onto the photo, over an existing car. Weird! My SWAG is that this was done as either a sample for what a proposed RR might look like, or simply to disguise the identity of the car.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

Aley, Jeff A
 

If you view the photo full-size it appears that the photo has been altered. In the upper-left corner of the car is a Great Northern Railway Trust stencil.

The Commercial Inland Railway logo looks hand-lettered, and looks like it was painted onto the photo.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of S hed
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Subject: [STMFC] Commercial Inland Ry Box Car



I found something that I have never seen before, a "Commercial Inland Railway" box car. Its at this link:

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=51DBCFAA29B0966B48149F8FE755EA46

I have no idea where this railway is and I'm hoping some of you might shed some light on this. Thanks.

- Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA

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Commercial Inland Ry Box Car

S hed <shed999@...>
 

I found something that I have never seen before, a "Commercial Inland Railway" box car. Its at this link:



http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=51DBCFAA29B0966B48149F8FE755EA46



I have no idea where this railway is and I'm hoping some of you might shed some light on this. Thanks.



- Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA

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Re: IC box car end view

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Thanks several listers for your helpful responses. Problem is solved.

Staffan Ehnbom

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Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] IC box car end view


The photo Lou is talking about can be seen here.
www.sunshinekits.com/suninst/instmk10.pdf

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:34 AM, LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>wrote:



There is a small 3/4 view including the B end of 18862, new in 1939 -- an
ACF's builder photo -- on the "Prototype Data and Modeling Notes" sheet of
Sunshine Models' Mini-Kit for this series of IC boxcar. It's not good copy
on the sheet -- the end is quite dark.

I jumped the gun on my previous reply -- sorry!

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ

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Subject: [STMFC] IC box car end view


Would anyone know of a photo showing B end details on an Illinois Central
18000-19999 series box car?

Staffan Ehnbom







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