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Re: Wabash AC& F Cabooses circa 1925-27 <was> Gould Standard Wooden Cabooses -

cef39us <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mbcarson2002" <mbcarson@...> wrote:

Thank you for the information, Victor

Did the special issue give you any insight into Wabash cabooses that might have built during the Gould era? IIRC, George Gould lost control of the roads he controlled (including the Wabash) circa 1911 - 1912. Some of the AC&F cabooses were delivered to Missouri Pacific just about the time Gould was losing control.
Mike,

The Wabash, purchased or built, forty three 34' wood cabooses in 1910-1911. They added 16 more in 1912. The cars were randomly numbered between 2000 - 2447. Caboose 2229, residing at the Museum of Transport in St Louis, is a 1904 built 28' car.

Regarding the cars in the subject line, cars 2600 - 2624 were built by AC&F in 1925. The Wabash built copies, 2625 - 2644 in 1927, and 2645 - 2653 in 1929.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


B&O USRA Box Car Color - 1930's? D&H Caboose Red?

PARK <parkcitybranch@...>
 

I am in the process of painting a USRA box car for the B&O circa 1930's. The Westerfield directions mention D&H caboose red is a near perfect match. Only problem is floquil no longer makes this color. Anyone have any ideas for a sub? Thanks.

Jason Sanford


Re: RPM Naperville in October

Jim Hayes
 

They never said they didn't have a computer. They said they didn't do email
or internet. But I find that hard to believe too with kids living far away.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 7:55 PM, <cobrapsl@aol.com> wrote:




Well I guess Joe let the "cat out of the bag"! The Lofton's really do own a
computer. Somehow, over last 4 or 5 years I never thought different, no
matter what was repeated stated on this list.

Paul Lyons


-----Original Message-----
From: tmolsen@UDel.Edu <tmolsen%40UDel.Edu>
To: StMFC@yahoogroups.com <StMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:19 pm
Subject: [STMFC] RPM Naperville in October

Subject: Re: railroadprototypemodelers.com: Naperville RPM, October 2010
From: joseph delia <ppw-aline@att.net <ppw-aline%40att.net>>
Date: Wed 23 Jun 14:50:47 EDT 2010
To: "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@UDel.Edu <tmolsen%40UDel.Edu>>

Tom;

Mailings are going out as we speak. Martin has had a computer meltdown and
that's why nothing has been sent out yet. I am making the clinician mailing
and Martin is making the attendees mailing.

Some info is on the web-site now:

http://ppw-aline.com/rpm-naperville.htm

More info will be put up as soon as we can. Dates are set Oct. 21,22,23,24,
2010.

Special room rates also. Lunch and dinner same as last year. We will have
registration form on web-site, please give this info to your friends. Any
other question let me know.

see you there
Joe
RPM-Naperville

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 04:09:35 -0500, Thomas M. Olsen wrote:
This is an enquiry e-mail via http://railroadprototypemodelers.com/
from: Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@udel.edu <tmolsen%40udel.edu>>

Hi Joe,

Just a short note to verify that the Naperville meet is set
and to see if the prices for it have been published. Are
you going to have the Friday night dinner as in the past?

When will the registration sign ups go out? Several here
in the East have been asking as they travel by train and
have to make their Amtrak
reservations now to get the price and space.

I will be making my hotel reservation this week thus
guaranteeing the room early. My contact information is
below.

Thomas M. Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292 (Home)
(302) 740-2897 (Cell-Verizon)
tmolsen@udel.edu <tmolsen%40udel.edu>




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Re: RPM Naperville in October

Paul Lyons
 

Well I guess Joe let the "cat out of the bag"! The Lofton's really do own a computer. Somehow, over last 4 or 5 years I never thought different, no matter what was repeated stated on this list.

Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: tmolsen@UDel.Edu
To: StMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 23, 2010 4:19 pm
Subject: [STMFC] RPM Naperville in October




Subject: Re: railroadprototypemodelers.com: Naperville RPM, October 2010
From: joseph delia <ppw-aline@att.net>
Date: Wed 23 Jun 14:50:47 EDT 2010
To: "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@UDel.Edu>

Tom;

Mailings are going out as we speak. Martin has had a computer meltdown and that's why nothing has been sent out yet. I am making the clinician mailing and Martin is making the attendees mailing.

Some info is on the web-site now:

http://ppw-aline.com/rpm-naperville.htm

More info will be put up as soon as we can. Dates are set Oct. 21,22,23,24, 2010.

Special room rates also. Lunch and dinner same as last year. We will have registration form on web-site, please give this info to your friends. Any other question let me know.

see you there
Joe
RPM-Naperville


On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 04:09:35 -0500, Thomas M. Olsen wrote:
This is an enquiry e-mail via http://railroadprototypemodelers.com/
from: Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@udel.edu>

Hi Joe,

Just a short note to verify that the Naperville meet is set
and to see if the prices for it have been published. Are
you going to have the Friday night dinner as in the past?

When will the registration sign ups go out? Several here
in the East have been asking as they travel by train and
have to make their Amtrak
reservations now to get the price and space.

I will be making my hotel reservation this week thus
guaranteeing the room early. My contact information is
below.

Thomas M. Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292 (Home)
(302) 740-2897 (Cell-Verizon)
tmolsen@udel.edu





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Freight car screen grabs

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Tim

I play my (freight car) movie discs on VLC media player (it was a free download) which incorporates a screen grab (/video/snapshot) putting the picture on the desktop, ready for saving and studying.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] N&W hoppers on Sherman Hill?



No, not yet.. But how about a C&IM "battleship" gondola
on Tehachapi? With all the railroad videos on Youtube now,
it's easy to get "screen grab" shots of freight cars using
a tool like MWSnap (free download). So maybe it's just a
matter of time before someone spots the proverbial N&W hopper
on Sherman Hill.

Go to 3:14 on this video to see the C&IM gondola. It goes by
fast! (Whoever made the movie simply has no appreciation of
freight cars.) There are other interesting freight cars as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS7bICcBcFE

Tim O'Connor

P.S. These screen grabs work on a PC because Youtube uses the
Adobe Flash Player that runs in the browser. If you watch a movie
on your PC, the video images are buffered in special memory that
is not accessible and therefore you can't copy them.


N&W hoppers on Sherman Hill?

Tim O'Connor
 

No, not yet.. But how about a C&IM "battleship" gondola
on Tehachapi? With all the railroad videos on Youtube now,
it's easy to get "screen grab" shots of freight cars using
a tool like MWSnap (free download). So maybe it's just a
matter of time before someone spots the proverbial N&W hopper
on Sherman Hill.

Go to 3:14 on this video to see the C&IM gondola. It goes by
fast! (Whoever made the movie simply has no appreciation of
freight cars.) There are other interesting freight cars as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS7bICcBcFE

Tim O'Connor

P.S. These screen grabs work on a PC because Youtube uses the
Adobe Flash Player that runs in the browser. If you watch a movie
on your PC, the video images are buffered in special memory that
is not accessible and therefore you can't copy them.


Some items for sale ...

dakkinder
 

Up for sale is 2 brand new and never used 1 ounce bottles of Scalecoat paint Boxcar Red #S2013 is Scalecoat II and the other is Boxcar Red #2 S2087 is Scalecoat I. I also i have a new pint of Scalecoat II thinner .

Sale price for all $13.00 for all of it shipping not included .
if interested contact me at dakkinder@yahoo.com


RPM Naperville in October

tmolsen@...
 

Subject: Re: railroadprototypemodelers.com: Naperville RPM, October 2010
From: joseph delia <ppw-aline@att.net>
Date: Wed 23 Jun 14:50:47 EDT 2010
To: "Thomas M. Olsen" <tmolsen@UDel.Edu>

Tom;

Mailings are going out as we speak. Martin has had a computer meltdown and that's why nothing has been sent out yet. I am making the clinician mailing and Martin is making the attendees mailing.

Some info is on the web-site now:

http://ppw-aline.com/rpm-naperville.htm

More info will be put up as soon as we can. Dates are set Oct. 21,22,23,24, 2010.

Special room rates also. Lunch and dinner same as last year. We will have registration form on web-site, please give this info to your friends. Any other question let me know.

see you there
Joe
RPM-Naperville

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 04:09:35 -0500, Thomas M. Olsen wrote:
This is an enquiry e-mail via http://railroadprototypemodelers.com/
from: Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@udel.edu>

Hi Joe,

Just a short note to verify that the Naperville meet is set
and to see if the prices for it have been published. Are
you going to have the Friday night dinner as in the past?

When will the registration sign ups go out? Several here
in the East have been asking as they travel by train and
have to make their Amtrak
reservations now to get the price and space.

I will be making my hotel reservation this week thus
guaranteeing the room early. My contact information is
below.

Thomas M. Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292 (Home)
(302) 740-2897 (Cell-Verizon)
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: railroadprototypemodelers.com: Naperville RPM, October 2010

tmolsen@...
 

Hi guys,

Here is the latest information regarding Naperville from Joe
Delia regarding Naperville in October. You may wish to sign up on his website for the RPM meets so as to pick up on the latest info as it comes out.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
(302) 740-2897 (Cell)
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: Atlas 1932 box cars

Mark
 

Hello, Brian. Do you have a drawing of the brake layout that should be under the Erie car? I would like to update mine. Really do not care for there underframes.
Mark Morgan

--- On Wed, 6/23/10, Brian Carlson <prrk41361@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Brian Carlson <prrk41361@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Atlas 1932 box cars
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 3:40 PM
















 









Roof is molded with the sides, at least on the Erie model I had apart. Frame is metal which is a slight pain since the location of the brake components is totally wrong on the Erie car.

 

I haven't seen the C&O car yet.

 

Brian J. Carlson



--- On Wed, 6/23/10, ed_mines <ed_mines@yahoo.com> wrote:



From: ed_mines <ed_mines@yahoo.com>

Subject: [STMFC] Atlas 1932 box cars

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:59 PM



 



Is the roof a separate piece?



If it is how's the width compared to a Red caboose X29 shell?



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New From WrightTRAK

seaboard_1966
 

We at WrightTRAK now have decals available for the original Norfolk Southern to go with our lowside gondola. Please go to www.wrighttrak.com to order these or any other of our fine products.

Denis Blake
WrightTRAK Railroad Models

2011 Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, May 5-8

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Re: IC boxcar decal

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Yes, it is "funny how decals can spur a whole new construction projects".

I bought a set of RailCad decals made by the late Robert W. Smith for a GTW 40' steel, 7' door boxcar. Then I bought a Branchline car to put them on, and found out that Branchline already offers this car decorated for the GTW!!

http://www.branchline-trains.com/blueprint_series/40boxcars/40aar7/40aar7.html

Oh, well... :/

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "mopacfirst" <ron.merrick@...> wrote:

Funny how new decals can spur a whole new construction project.

Starting with an undec IM kit car, I thought about doing one of those infamous square-corner 10'6" boxcars, so I played around with a set of the old DA 5-5 ends for awhile and realized those things were intended to fit an Athearn car back in the days when cutting off molded-on ladders was your only choice. They are sort of vaguely half-way between square and round corner. So, those went into the recycle bin.

Then I realized I had all the parts I needed to do one of the home-built IC cars with riveted sides and P-S roof and ends. IM once sold the various parts separately, when those product lines were new. Back then the parts were even molded in red plastic.

The IM P-S roof and ends fit perfectly on the body. The blank end on the carbody conflicts with the underside of the roof, but I cut away the top of the carbody blank end and the ends appear to be the right distance out with relation to the end of the roof. The nubbins on the inside of the ends had to go, but the height and width match the body perfectly. It appears to me that the prototypes, built in the mid-fifties, have an AAR underframe so I used the IM part from the 10'6" car after removing the extra six inches of height from the body bolster by filing it to the same height as the centersill. I add a piece of .010 material to form the truck bearing surface, which puts the car at about the correct height.

Back to the square corner 5-5, I'm still thinking about that one.

Ron Merrick


Re: Atlas 1932 box cars

Brian Carlson
 

Roof is molded with the sides, at least on the Erie model I had apart. Frame is metal which is a slight pain since the location of the brake components is totally wrong on the Erie car.
 
I haven't seen the C&O car yet.
 
Brian J. Carlson

--- On Wed, 6/23/10, ed_mines <ed_mines@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: ed_mines <ed_mines@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Atlas 1932 box cars
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 2:59 PM


 



Is the roof a separate piece?

If it is how's the width compared to a Red caboose X29 shell?



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Atlas 1932 box cars

ed_mines
 

Is the roof a separate piece?

If it is how's the width compared to a Red caboose X29 shell?

Anyone see a preproduction sample of the C&O/NKP round roof version?

Ed Mines


Re: Professor Maury N. Klein (URI) <was> Gould Railroad Standard Woo

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Denny Anspach wrote:
That he made most of his ubiquitous inspection tours over the UP and SP occupying his favorite ILLINOIS CENTRAL office car reminds the reader once again of the important role that this still-important mid-America line played, and was still playing in the vast railroad games of the period.
Even while holding titles as President of both UP and SP, and serving as Board Chairman for UP, with all the administrative direction of the Associated Lines in his hands, Harriman did continue to hold his seat on the IC Board, which he had held for years prior to the UP takeover (and he also retained his extensive amount of IC stock). But he only obtained actual control of the IC for a short period very late in his life, and that control was financial, not managerial; IC was never part of the Associated Lines. I don't disagree with what Denny says, but do not want any misunderstanding to develop of the position of the IC relative to the Associated Lines. There is already too much of that <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Professor Maury N. Klein (URI) <was> Gould Railroad Standard Woo

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

I would agree with Tony Thompson that Maury Klein's biography of E.H. Harriman should be on one's "must-read" lists of essential substantive railroad history books. The book is both well written and a very good read to boot; and Klein makes a very exciting story of Harriman's central role in the unfolding and quite amazing broad canvas of western/northwestern railroad expansion and rivalries over the 20 years or so bridging the turn of the last century. That Harriman was a very interesting, often sympathetic, and a surprising renaissance man just by himself, is only additive to the story. A great deal of the primary sources for Klein arose from long forgotten, serendiptiously-newly-found papers and manuscripts, an absorbing story-within-a- story all by itself.

That almost alone among railroad barons of the time Harriman would aggressively (some would say "ruinously") ramp up expenditures for track, line, infrastructure, route improvements and expansion during the serious national economic downturns of the time ("so we will be ready to immediately profit when the downturn is over") graphically explained for me why the Harriman roads were deemed so powerful.

That he made most of his ubiquitous inspection tours over the UP and SP occupying his favorite ILLINOIS CENTRAL office car reminds the reader once again of the important role that this still-important mid- America line played, and was still playing in the vast railroad games of the period.

That Harriman hosted John Muir -and substantially enabled some Muir's historic conservation efforts, and greatly advanced the science and knowledge of Alaska's natural history was again quite enlightening. These were done via Harriman's personal charter of a steamship in 1899 for a two month Alaska cruise with the passengers some of the most eminent natural scientists of the time.

I will attest that the three railroads mentioned all operated large fleets of Steam Era Freight Cars. If such were not specifically mentioned, they were certainly implied.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: IC boxcar decal

Clark Propst
 

I bought the square corner Sunshine minikit last N'ville for a friend, finally got an undec IM AAR 42 car in the mail from Stan and sent my friend the link to Jerry's decal.

I love it when a play comes together...for someone else...

Clark Propst


Re: IC boxcar decal

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

For me it was the other way around. I started modelling an IC square corner box and asked the list for a tip for a good decal and Jerry decided to start a whole new decal project. It is a lot smarter to start with a decal and find a correct model to put it on like you do. I was just lucky this time.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: mopacfirst
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:17 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: IC boxcar decal



Funny how new decals can spur a whole new construction project.

Starting with an undec IM kit car, I thought about doing one of those infamous square-corner 10'6" boxcars, so I played around with a set of the old DA 5-5 ends for awhile and realized those things were intended to fit an Athearn car back in the days when cutting off molded-on ladders was your only choice. They are sort of vaguely half-way between square and round corner. So, those went into the recycle bin.

Then I realized I had all the parts I needed to do one of the home-built IC cars with riveted sides and P-S roof and ends. IM once sold the various parts separately, when those product lines were new. Back then the parts were even molded in red plastic.

The IM P-S roof and ends fit perfectly on the body. The blank end on the carbody conflicts with the underside of the roof, but I cut away the top of the carbody blank end and the ends appear to be the right distance out with relation to the end of the roof. The nubbins on the inside of the ends had to go, but the height and width match the body perfectly. It appears to me that the prototypes, built in the mid-fifties, have an AAR underframe so I used the IM part from the 10'6" car after removing the extra six inches of height from the body bolster by filing it to the same height as the centersill. I add a piece of .010 material to form the truck bearing surface, which puts the car at about the correct height.

Back to the square corner 5-5, I'm still thinking about that one.

Ron Merrick


Re: IC boxcar decal

mopacfirst
 

Funny how new decals can spur a whole new construction project.

Starting with an undec IM kit car, I thought about doing one of those infamous square-corner 10'6" boxcars, so I played around with a set of the old DA 5-5 ends for awhile and realized those things were intended to fit an Athearn car back in the days when cutting off molded-on ladders was your only choice. They are sort of vaguely half-way between square and round corner. So, those went into the recycle bin.

Then I realized I had all the parts I needed to do one of the home-built IC cars with riveted sides and P-S roof and ends. IM once sold the various parts separately, when those product lines were new. Back then the parts were even molded in red plastic.

The IM P-S roof and ends fit perfectly on the body. The blank end on the carbody conflicts with the underside of the roof, but I cut away the top of the carbody blank end and the ends appear to be the right distance out with relation to the end of the roof. The nubbins on the inside of the ends had to go, but the height and width match the body perfectly. It appears to me that the prototypes, built in the mid-fifties, have an AAR underframe so I used the IM part from the 10'6" car after removing the extra six inches of height from the body bolster by filing it to the same height as the centersill. I add a piece of .010 material to form the truck bearing surface, which puts the car at about the correct height.

Back to the square corner 5-5, I'm still thinking about that one.

Ron Merrick


Re: Professor Maury N. Klein (URI) <was> Gould Railroad Standard Wooden Cabooses -

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mike Carson wrote:
I always appreciate leads to authors presenting alternate interpretations of accepted fact, particularly those I was unaware of. Professor Klein appears to a prolific author, who it appears has a donated collection at the St. Louis Mercantile Library. His paper, Jay Gould: A Revisionist Interpretation, (available on line) makes a cogent argument that the elder Gould isn't fully appreciated. I am more likely to read Professor Klein's book about Harriman rather Gould. As it appears George Gould, the son, was completely outclassed Harriman, both as a businessman and a railroad tycoon.
There is extremely little about George Gould in Klein's book about Jay Gould. Don't let your opinion of George affect the chance to learn something accurate about Jay. But Klein's Harriman book is excellent too.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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