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Re: C&O Gondola

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Hi Bill,

          I have seen them loaded with coal; that does not mean they were not used for anything else.
Decide what service you need it to fulfill on your RR and have at it.

Fred Freitas




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From: Bill Lane <bill@lanestrains.com>
To: C&O List <ChesapeakeOhioRailway@yahoogroups.com>; Steam Era Freight cars <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 11:36:19 AM
Subject: [STMFC] C&O Gondola

 
All,

Would the 40' peaked end C&O gondola hauled coal, or been in general gondola
service, or possibly both? I am trying to decide how to weather the
interior.

Please reply directly to bill@lanestrains.com

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

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C&O Gondola

Bill Lane
 

All,

Would the 40' peaked end C&O gondola hauled coal, or been in general gondola
service, or possibly both? I am trying to decide how to weather the
interior.

Please reply directly to bill@lanestrains.com

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL


another new one

jerryglow2
 

My latest is for an L&N rebuilt car but possibly useful for any 10' IH steel car. See at: http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/L&N_Reliable.jpg

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals


Re: Red BallReefers

Frank Pearsall
 

Good morning:

Don't know. Main Line eventually ended up with Ye Olde Huff N' Puff. I don't remember if Main Line had purchased H&D. I'll contact YOHNP and see if they can provide any information.

Of course we do know for sure that Olde Frothingslosh was the creation of our now deceased (April 1999) mutual friend, Rege Cordic. One of the most creative people I've ever met.

Anyway, we're getting off topic so I'd better quit.

Frank Pearsall
Brevard, N.C.

On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Right, those are the originals. Did Main Line reissue any of these?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

Frank Pearsall wrote:
The Phartz & Howe was done in HO scale by H&D Scale Model back in
the 1960s and 70s. Olde Frothingslosh Ale was done in HO scale by Ye
Olde Huff N' Puff (still being done by them as a 50' reefer). Don't
know about Burpo.


Re: Jerry Glow's ART Cars

jerryglow2
 

The color variations are probably due more to lighting on my makeshift photo setup but there were indeed variations. The models are not fully assembled and will probably remain "clean" until final photos are taken for a proposed article.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Jerry,
Great photo...the ART reefers. It is interesting to note that the variation
in colors [ for whatever reason ] is very similar to the appearance of PFE
reefer strings.

Hmmm. Too bad the ladder on the car in the bottom left corner of the photo
wasn't weathered. The plastic look detracts somewhat.

Mike Brock


Re: Red BallReefers

StephenK
 

I sold a set of Olde Frothingslosh Pale Stale Ale car sides on EBay a few years ago. Mine were published by the NMRA, if I remember correctly, and had all scales on both side of a single sheet of card. I still may have another set around somewhere.

I will post a photo in the photo section.

Steve Kay

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Frank Pearsall <plans@...> wrote:

The Phartz & Howe was done in HO scale by H&D Scale Model back in the 1960s and 70s. Olde Frothingslosh Ale was done in HO scale by Ye Olde Huff N' Puff (still being done by them as a 50' reefer). Don't know about Burpo.

Frank Pearsall
Brevard, N.C.
Narrow Trak 10
(Oct 8, 9, 2010)

On Jun 25, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Charlie Vlk wrote:
Getting back to the original theme, I am not sure if the "Phartz &
Howe" Baked Beans car that Con-Cor did in N Scale was inspired by a
Red Ball car, but it is likely. There was also a "Burpo Beer" car
that I think both Con-Cor and Micro-Trains did that might have been
a Red Ball job too.....
Those were both Main Line wood kits in HO, IIRC. I'm not aware
Red Ball did either one. I bet Denny knows.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history



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Re: Red BallReefers

Tim O'Connor
 

Charlie

I assume you have BRHS Bulletin #12...

The only other photo I've seen was in Mainline Modeler, Feb 1987.

Tim O'Connor

Getting back to cars that DID exist, has anyone ever seen an in-service photo of a BREX 50FT steel express reefer BREX 300-329? The last four of the cars 326-329 had "Cream Compartments" and the only photo we've seen of the cars (the builders photo of 326) shows the "B" end of the car and it is not known for sure if the extra, smaller hinged doors were on one end both sides or what.
Charlie Vlk


Re: Red BallReefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Frank Pearsall wrote:
The Phartz & Howe was done in HO scale by H&D Scale Model back in the 1960s and 70s. Olde Frothingslosh Ale was done in HO scale by Ye Olde Huff N' Puff (still being done by them as a 50' reefer). Don't know about Burpo.
Right, those are the originals. DId Main Line reissue any of these?


Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Red BallReefers

Frank Pearsall
 

The Phartz & Howe was done in HO scale by H&D Scale Model back in the 1960s and 70s. Olde Frothingslosh Ale was done in HO scale by Ye Olde Huff N' Puff (still being done by them as a 50' reefer). Don't know about Burpo.

Frank Pearsall
Brevard, N.C.
Narrow Trak 10
(Oct 8, 9, 2010)

On Jun 25, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Charlie Vlk wrote:
Getting back to the original theme, I am not sure if the "Phartz &
Howe" Baked Beans car that Con-Cor did in N Scale was inspired by a
Red Ball car, but it is likely. There was also a "Burpo Beer" car
that I think both Con-Cor and Micro-Trains did that might have been
a Red Ball job too.....
Those were both Main Line wood kits in HO, IIRC. I'm not aware
Red Ball did either one. I bet Denny knows.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history



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Re: Red BallReefers

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

GUYZ,

            Me second son found that very same car and proceeded to
put it in a display case with a sign that read, "Our Dad can't be beat"
where everyone comming into the building could see it.
He didn't sit well for a couple days.
His mother choked as she was laughing so hard.
I now know where EVERYTHING is stashed, including this car.

Fred Freitas
able to laugh it off, finally.




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From: pullmanboss <tcmadden@q.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 5:24:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Red BallReefers

 
Charlie Vlk:

Getting back to the original theme, I am not sure if the "Phartz & Howe" Baked Beans car that Con-Cor did in N Scale was inspired by a Red Ball car, but it is likely. There was also a "Burpo Beer" car that I think both Con-Cor and Micro-Trains did that might have been a Red Ball job too.....
Old Frothingslosh Pale Ale? Then there were Varney's Firewater & Kicking Horse and Hollywood & Western cars. These two fetch interesting prices on eBay on the rare occasions they turn up. Several years ago I picked up a mid-'50s vintage Hobbyline boxcar lettered for E&H Model Hobbies of Philadelphia. In the early '50s E&H was my go-to mail order hobby supplier, and my stock of rail and stripwood still resides in an E&H corrugated cardboard mailing box. Steam era prototype models? Certainly not, but for many of us they are useful touchstones to our early days in the hobby.

Tom Madden, son and grandson of Gulf oil distributors/dealers :-)


Re: Red BallReefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:
Getting back to the original theme, I am not sure if the "Phartz & Howe" Baked Beans car that Con-Cor did in N Scale was inspired by a Red Ball car, but it is likely. There was also a "Burpo Beer" car that I think both Con-Cor and Micro-Trains did that might have been a Red Ball job too.....
Those were both Main Line wood kits in HO, IIRC. I'm not aware Red Ball did either one. I bet Denny knows.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

W.R.Dixon
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Value added"? No, just good old gouging. I was looking at some old
oil heat bills from 10 years ago, when I was paying 99 cents/gallon
for heating oil. This winter I paid around 350 cents/gallon -- but the
dealer's margin is now almost 100 cents/gallon, whereas 10 years ago
he was making maybe 30 cents/gallon.
You can bet that no matter where freight car models are built, that
only 20% or less of the list price is for actual labor costs. And it
may only be 1% or 2% for some freight car models.
Tim O'Connor
The cost of making the cars is low.
It's the quarter of a million dollars UP FRONT to research the car, make and remake the moulds, do the test prints, design the packaging and advertising that makes up the major part of the cost of the final car.

If a manufacturer does not think that they will sell enough models to recoup their UP FRONT costs they won't make the model.

You can have a fantastic model of any car / locomotive / passenger car you want if you are willing to spend the money.

The first model will cost $ 250,000.
The second model will cost $ 5.00 but you don't get the second model without paying for the first one.

Bill Dixon


Not a continuation of Branchline thread

mopacfirst
 

Yes, I'd love to see someone continue with product design at Branchline. No doubt someone could do a 40' double-door in several door widths (duh, the roof is already designed for that) and a welded-side car in several door widths, and a 9' or 10' door width with big sidesill reinforcement, etc. I have just about finished buying all of the painted kits I'll ever need as a midwestern late 50s-early 60s modeler, and I know that although there may have been a hundred or so paint schemes produced, there are two or three times that many that could have been done that aren't wrong. I have no problem doing some sidesill mods, especially if it's removing material, although there were a few that I declined to buy because the compromises were too much for me. I'll continue to buy undecs for as long as I can get them, because in many ways the Branchline cars are the perfect kit for postwar steel AAR non-proprietary boxcars.

OK, now time for a real question dealing with mechanical issues. I've always fought with the underframe on the 40' car, trying to get it to fit well. I've reamed the bolster holes to give them more lengthwise play, I've been gluing the frame-to-body joint thoroughly, and always had to clamp them firmly to get rid of the gaps. The latest thing I find is that, even with all this effort, there sometimes is still a residual bow in the center. The 50' underframes don't have this problem.

Any thoughts on this?

Ron Merrick


Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

frograbbit602
 

Geen Green wrote, "The thing that puzzles me is why models get sent all the way to China for assembly. That seems to add about $10.00 to the price of each car. Couldn't some enterprising, Spanish-speaking model railroader set up a kit assembly plant in Mexico?"

Why? Labor. In preparing plant budgets several years ago for a company the average China plant worker's annual salary was $ 3,000. As for Mexico, the company I contracted with closed Mexico plants and built plants in China due to the cheaper labor to which added cost such as shipping still made the China produced product less expensive then Mexico produced product.

Lester Breuer


Re: Red BallReefers

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Charlie Vlk:

Getting back to the original theme, I am not sure if the "Phartz & Howe" Baked Beans car that Con-Cor did in N Scale was inspired by a Red Ball car, but it is likely. There was also a "Burpo Beer" car that I think both Con-Cor and Micro-Trains did that might have been a Red Ball job too.....
Old Frothingslosh Pale Ale? Then there were Varney's Firewater & Kicking Horse and Hollywood & Western cars. These two fetch interesting prices on eBay on the rare occasions they turn up. Several years ago I picked up a mid-'50s vintage Hobbyline boxcar lettered for E&H Model Hobbies of Philadelphia. In the early '50s E&H was my go-to mail order hobby supplier, and my stock of rail and stripwood still resides in an E&H corrugated cardboard mailing box. Steam era prototype models? Certainly not, but for many of us they are useful touchstones to our early days in the hobby.

Tom Madden, son and grandson of Gulf oil distributors/dealers :-)


Re: demise of kits

Thomas Vanderlip <thomasvanderlip@...>
 

Probaboly 300 each
Thom


Re: Red BallReefers

Charlie Vlk
 

JP-

You bring up an interesting subject..... Real Railroad Photographs that have been professionally altered (pre-digital...by an artist using airbrush, etc..) for business purposes.

I have run across two such photos and I'm sure those on this list have seen others like them....

One is a photo of a typical XM-32 steel boxcar, but instead of "Everywhere West" or "Way of the Zephyrs" it has a "The National Park Line" slogan.

The other is a NE-12 Waycar (the one that Bachmann made in trainset form with the streamlined cupola) that has the normal windows airbrushed into long rectangular picture windows, making it look somewhat like a full-size Tyco car...ughhh!!

Knowing what happens with manufactuers seeming to have radar to zero in on oddball or never-built material, my first inclination was to destroy the photos.... but I did not knowing that it would almost guarantee that somewhere else a copy would pop up and get used.....


Getting back to the original theme, I am not sure if the "Phartz & Howe" Baked Beans car that Con-Cor did in N Scale was inspired by a Red Ball car, but it is likely. There was also a "Burpo Beer" car that I think both Con-Cor and Micro-Trains did that might have been a Red Ball job too.....

Getting back to cars that DID exist, has anyone ever seen an in-service photo of a BREX 50FT steel express reefer BREX 300-329? The last four of the cars 326-329 had "Cream Compartments" and the only photo we've seen of the cars (the builders photo of 326) shows the "B" end of the car and it is not known for sure if the extra, smaller hinged doors were on one end both sides or what.

Charlie Vlk


Re: Red BallReefers

Charlie Vlk
 

I think Red Ball figured into their history as well, if for no other reason than it was located up in the Medford area and may have been one of the reasons the brothers Edwards moved there from California.
Charlie Vlk

----- Original Message -----
From: coronadoscalemodels
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:26 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Red BallReefers



Kadee was was formed by Keith and Dale Edwards. I always thought the K was for Keith and the D was for Dale.

Stan Schwedler

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Thom Vanderlip" <thomasvanderlip@...> wrote:
>
> JP,
> Wasn't M. Dale Newton the Dee in Kadee? I seem to remember that from somewhere in the cobwebs of time.
> Thom
>


ADMIN: Re: Re: Branchline and other box cars offerings

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Well...obviously, this tread is now out of scope. It can continue only if it is DIRECTLLY associated with frt cars.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


demise of kits

ed_mines
 

I haven't been to a train show in a long time but I used to meet basement dealers who also bought estate collections.

I visited one guy in his basement and saw he had 100s (no thousands)of kits that were given to him by the widows of the men from the club he belonged to.

At the last show I was at I saw the 2000 version of these dealers were selling Tyco locomotives for $10 each. They came with 100s and left with the same number.

You will find some E&BT ACF square hatch covered hoppers in my estate (built and unbuilt) and even some of the unbuilt M. Dale Newton original Red Ball kits. Many of the kits are "obsolete". Some of the resin kits are full of warped and broken pieces.

Never having had a layout (or even been a club member) I've had plenty of time to build kits. I am a university trained tinker - even learned to solder - building experimental engineering equipment. I am not afraid to tackle most kits. Even I have ruined more than a few.

The average guy tries to build his ever growing collection of kits - he finds he doesn't have all the tools he needs - and promptly ruins
a months worth of hobby.

The whole hobby is geared towards going to the hobby shop once a week and buying something for the layout.

Whoever said new guys are different is right. It's hard to believe that there aren't a few who like to work with their hands.

One last comment. 25 years ago I worked in Germany for about 6 months.
I brought over half a dozen kits - Ambroid, Suncoast, Q'Craft .....
Everyone who saw them was amazed - customs, hobby shops I went to .... They'd never seen kits like that before.

Ed Mines

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