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Re: One more PRR question

mopacfirst
 

That's about what I thought, and I can also gauge their location on the car with regard to the bottom of the end.

There are enough good photos of these various cars that I'm probably good to go, including at least one that I shot on the Santa Fe in 1969-70. I have plenty of undec Branchline.


Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Ron;

They varied, but the "standard" channel was 10" deep. I have seen a 12" deep
trapezoidal channel on an X43.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
mopacfirst
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:04 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] One more PRR question



I know some later Pennsy cars are in my future. <snip> - how wide was that channel? <snip>

Ron Merrick

Re: Drill source

Walter
 

Try Craig Marten at BLMA. I bought my last dozen from him and had good luck, he also has brass
grab iron templates.

WLO

Re: Drill source

Walter
 

Try Craig Marten at BLMA. I bought my last dozen from him and had good luck, he also has brass
grab iron templates.

WLO

Re: C&O Gondola

water.kresse@...
 

These cars had a tendecy to rust thru above the side sills in side panels.  That is why many recieved partial panel replacements in 1953-54 timeframe.



Builder's photos show they only had a few inches of black overspray at their top insides.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Elden J SAD Gatwood" <elden.j.gatwood@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:12:58 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] C&O Gondola

Bill;

There is a great photo of a C&O peaked end gon in one of the Pennsy Diesel
Years books.  The photo was taken from a bridge and you can clearly see the
interior, which is empty.  The interior is all shades of rust, ranging from
light in the center to darker at the edges. Of course you have to also add
trash and old dunnage to make it a gon....

Elden Gatwood


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bill
Lane
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:36 AM
To: C&O List; Steam Era Freight cars
Subject: [STMFC] C&O Gondola

  

All,

Would the 40' peaked end C&O gondola hauled coal, or been in general gondola
service, or possibly both? I am trying to decide how to weather the interior.

Please reply directly to bill@... <mailto:bill%40lanestrains.com>


Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to
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RES: Drill source

Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
 

I once got some from Small Parts Inc. They also have a lot of stuff very
usefull for us.



www.smallparts.com <http://www.smallparts.com/>



Another very good one is the MSC Industrial Supply. Here you can select from
many different brands.



http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNPDFF?PMCTLG=00
<http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNPDFF?PMCTLG=00&PMPAGE=9000> &PMPAGE=9000



Regards





Marcelo Lordeiro

www.mrcustom.com.br

trens@...

Tel.: +55 21 2273-2758



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De: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Em nome de
almabranch
Enviada em: domingo, 27 de junho de 2010 22:39
Para: STMFC@...
Assunto: [STMFC] Drill source





Someone on this list helped me with a source for small drills, but I have
lost the info. My pack of a dozen #80's is about gone. Can someone help?
Thanks.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Re: C&O Gondola

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bill;

There is a great photo of a C&O peaked end gon in one of the Pennsy Diesel
Years books. The photo was taken from a bridge and you can clearly see the
interior, which is empty. The interior is all shades of rust, ranging from
light in the center to darker at the edges. Of course you have to also add
trash and old dunnage to make it a gon....

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bill
Lane
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:36 AM
To: C&O List; Steam Era Freight cars
Subject: [STMFC] C&O Gondola



All,

Would the 40' peaked end C&O gondola hauled coal, or been in general gondola
service, or possibly both? I am trying to decide how to weather the interior.

Please reply directly to bill@... <mailto:bill%40lanestrains.com>


Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to
join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

Re: One more PRR question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ron;

They varied, but the "standard" channel was 10" deep. I have seen a 12" deep
trapezoidal channel on an X43.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
mopacfirst
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:04 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] One more PRR question



I know some later Pennsy cars are in my future. Given that ordinary freight
car construction wasn't up to their desired level of performance or the
practices of guys who could load a car with a forklift, a number of later
boxcar classes got a channel sidesill (as, I hesitate to point out, other
roads like the T&P did also).

One thing I haven't seen - how wide was that channel? Could be different
between classes, I suppose. Some inch or two portion of it was behind the
side sheathing, it looks like, so I'd have to account for that.

Ron Merrick

Re: X44 mods

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ron;

How common was it for older cars, by the late 50s - early 60s, to
just get restenciling with the large initials rather than full repaint?
No PRR box cars intentionally got large initials only, at least on the PRR.
Some X29B, X43 and X44 I have photos of got stenciled off-line with initials
and numbers, but they are clearly not PRR stencils. I would guess the
atrocious paint on some PRR box cars that never came "home" forced some other
RR to paint them on, just so they could tell whose car it was.

Elden Gatwood

Re: X44 mods

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

RE: X44 box cars: As-built carried the Circle Keystone lettering scheme.
The Shadow Keystone drawing was issued April 14, 1954. The change from 9" to
7" numerals and the addition of the 7" "PRR" warranted another drawing, dated
June 26, 1958, and the Plain Keystone drawing was issued December 20, 1961.

The keystone on this scheme was 4' 2 1/2" high, and the "PRR" used 14" high
letters, 3' 10" long, to the left of the door.

The earliest Plain Keystone drawing I have been able to find reference to is
the F30A, F30D & F30E drawing of March 3, 1960. The last is the K11 of April
10, 1962.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
benjaminfrank_hom
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:58 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: X44 mods





Tim O'Connor wrote:
"The 'plain keystone' began around 1961, and "initials only" in the early
1960's."

Re: Drill source

Dennis Williams
 

Jack.
  I have not had any problems as of yet with them.  I do look at every one I use, just in case!!  Dennis

--- On Sun, 6/27/10, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:


From: Jack Burgess <jack@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Drill source
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 8:01 PM


 



I believe Widget is the one who had the broken tip bits...I asked for replacement drills without broken tips but they couldn't supply them and refunded my money.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

<Try Widget Supply. Dennis resinbuilders4u.com

Re: X44 mods

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"The 'plain keystone' began around 1961, and "initials only" in the
early 1960's."

Not entirely correct. The earliest PK drawing I have on hand (D-461224-A, Class X29 Mail Storage Cars) was effective on 8/25/1960; however, I do not have one handy for Class X44.

Regarding "initials only", no revenue service boxcar lettering schemes lacked the Keystone. I challenge you to produce a photo.


Ben Hom

SCREENS FOR SANTA FE CABOOSES

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

The AMB kit for screens for Santa Fe cabooses also contains material for
screen doors. I don't recall seeing any photos of SF cabooses with
this feature.
How prevalent was it?

Thanks in advance:

Bill Pardie

Re: Drill source

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Since we are discussing tools there is an item that I am desperately
seeking. Waaay back when Brookstone
actually sold tools and was not a mall outlet they sold an item called
a Macro File. It was available in square
and round and was about half the size of anything on the market
today. There was an article in Model Railroader
about that time by someone who built an operating HO handcar using
these files to create the gears.

I may have asked this before,however, I am still looking. I;m not
sure if the one that I have left has any grooves
left but I still use it.

Thanks for any help or suggestions:

Bill Pardie

Jeweler's supply houses have not been helpful

On Jun 27, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Rob wrote}


IIRC I got this off of Gene Deimling and the P:48 list:

http://www.shorinternational.com/Drilling.htm

http://www.shorinternational.com/DrillPivotBur.htm

Rob Mondichak

--- In STMFC@..., "almabranch" <harperandbrown@...> wrote:

Someone on this list helped me with a source for small drills, but
I have lost the info. My pack of a dozen #80's is about gone. Can
someone help? Thanks.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA



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Wabash 50' #19000-19124 Autocar #19000-19124

Paul Lyons
 

I am finishing one of the Sunshine "Mini" kits. It is one where a Proto 2000 double door boxcar is converted to a Wabash auto car in the #19000-19124 series. The photo that is part of the instructions is not very clear, therefore, I need a little help to finish it accurately. Can someone tell what trucks were used on the prototype? Also, the instructions says the prototype used a wood running board, but in the photo the running board looks awful "thin" like it might be steel. Can someone confirm the running board on the prototype was wood?

Any and all help is appreciated.
Thanks.
Paul Lyons

Re: X44 mods

Tim O'Connor
 

Ron Merrick wrote

... I built a Branchline X44 .... as I see old messages in this group and
some photos, I'm wondering how many of them got frame (sidesill) reinforcements
and when this happened vis-a-vis the paint scheme. Did many non-reinforced
cars survive into the early 60s?
I think most of the cars survived unmodified into the early 1960's. Rebuilt
cars were classified X44a and X44b (and maybe others). In addition to the
rebuilt side sills (a home made "taper" design) they received reinforcement
gusset plates around the doors.

Did they all have ASF A-3 trucks?
A photo of X44B 604891 appears to have Barber S-2A style trucks, but I'm not
positive because the photo is from an oblique angle.

How common was it for older cars, by the late 50s - early 60s, to just get
restenciling with the large initials rather than full repaint?
The shadow keystone and roadname persisted past the STMFC era. The "plain keystone"
began around 1961, and "initials only" in the early 1960's.

Tim O'Connor

Re: Drill source

Rob M.
 

IIRC I got this off of Gene Deimling and the P:48 list:

http://www.shorinternational.com/Drilling.htm

http://www.shorinternational.com/DrillPivotBur.htm

Rob Mondichak

--- In STMFC@..., "almabranch" <harperandbrown@...> wrote:

Someone on this list helped me with a source for small drills, but I have lost the info. My pack of a dozen #80's is about gone. Can someone help? Thanks.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Re: Drill source

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Super-fast service, too . . .



Generally:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#



Specifically:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#drill-bits-for-brass/=7q06pa



Also note drills specifically for plastic.




SGL



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Todd Horton
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:53 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Drill source





McMaster Carr in Atlanta, excellent source for almost everything. Todd Horton

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Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 9:39:18 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Drill source


Someone on this list helped me with a source for small drills, but I have lost the info. My pack of a dozen #80's is about gone. Can someone help? Thanks.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

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Re: Drill source

Jack Burgess
 

I believe Widget is the one who had the broken tip bits...I asked for replacement drills without broken tips but they couldn't supply them and refunded my money.


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


<Try Widget Supply. Dennis resinbuilders4u.com

Re: Drill source

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jared Harper wrote:
Someone on this list helped me with a source for small drills, but I have lost the info. My pack of a dozen #80's is about gone. Can someone help? Thanks.
Small Parts has them, which I like because I buy other stuff from them. And they have high-speed steel (HSS) drills, which are IMMENSELY superior to carbon steel (cheaper) drills.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Re: Drill source

Dennis Williams
 

Try Widget Supply.  Dennis   resinbuilders4u.com

--- On Sun, 6/27/10, almabranch <harperandbrown@...> wrote:


From: almabranch <harperandbrown@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Drill source
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 6:39 PM


 



Someone on this list helped me with a source for small drills, but I have lost the info. My pack of a dozen #80's is about gone. Can someone help? Thanks.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA











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