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Re: X44 mods

Tim O'Connor
 

Ben

I was only quoting an 11/7/2007 message to the list from "Bill" (no
last name). As far as I know the PK scheme used "initials only" (i.e.
no spelled out PENNSYLVANIA) -- so the PK date and the "initials only"
should be the same date. Do you know of any cases where the PK was
used with the spelled out roadname?

Tim O'Connor

Regarding "initials only", no revenue service boxcar lettering schemes
lacked the Keystone. I challenge you to produce a photo.
Ben Hom


Re: Drill source

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:

Drill City is good. I ordered some drills from another on-line dealer once and the small drills weren't sharp (they appeared under a lope to be broken).

The cheap ones sold by a vendor in one of the 2 major magazines were certainly inferior to ones form McMasters.


Re: Drill source

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "almabranch" <harperandbrown@...> wrote:
Someone on this list helped me with a source for small drills, but I have lost the info. My pack of a dozen #80's is about gone.
That about 2 hours worth for me.


Files...

Jack Burgess
 

<Since we are discussing tools there is an item that I am desperately
<seeking. Waaay back when Brookstone
<actually sold tools and was not a mall outlet they sold an item called
<a Macro File. It was available in square
<and round and was about half the size of anything on the market
<today. There was an article in Model Railroader
<about that time by someone who built an operating HO handcar using
<these files to create the gears.
<
<I may have asked this before,however, I am still looking. I;m not
<sure if the one that I have left has any grooves
<left but I still use it.

Although you mentioned that jewelry supply houses were not helpful, take a
look at these files:

http://www.ottofrei.com/store/home.php?cat=895

They are escapement files and appear to be fairly small. I've deal with
these folks long before there was an Internet...the last time I was on their
site, one of their websales people came on a chat link and helped me find
something I was looking for...


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Drill source

Jack Burgess
 

It was only the #79 and #80 bits. I noticed because I was trying to drill brass using them in a micro drill press and wasn't getting any chips.

Jack

<Jack.
< I have not had any problems as of yet with them. I do look at every
<one I use, just in case!! Dennis
<
<--- On Sun, 6/27/10, Jack Burgess <jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com> wrote:
<
<
<I believe Widget is the one who had the broken tip bits...I asked for
<replacement drills without broken tips but they couldn't supply them and
<refunded my money.
<
<Jack Burgess
<www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Drill source

Jim Betz
 

If you want your #80 drills to last longer ... just use a #78.
I challenge you to tell the difference when the model is complete.
Try it on some scrap if you don't believe me.


Re: SCREENS FOR SANTA FE CABOOSES

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have not found any photos that shows them, so I leave them off. I try to model my cabooses after specific cars using photos. Save them to use with your MOW crew cars.

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From: WILLIAM PARDIE
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 12:55 AM
Subject: [STMFC] SCREENS FOR SANTA FE CABOOSES




>

>

The AMB kit for screens for Santa Fe cabooses also contains material for
screen doors. I don't recall seeing any photos of SF cabooses with
this feature.
How prevalent was it?

Thanks in advance:

Bill Pardie


SL-SF 152000-152226 40 ton auto car

Pat M Duffin
 

I am looking for a photo of this car. Does anyone have it or know of a reference for it? Thanks Pat


Re: window screens for Santa Fe Cabooses

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

I don't know why you guys don't just go to the hobby shop (or e-mail you online supplier, if that's what you prefer). Laserkit has an excellent window screen kit that fits the InterMountain Santa Fe way cars, and also sells the screen material separately. Kit No. 341 Screen/Door Window Set for Athearn 34' Cupola Caboose, MSRP $5.95, is what you want for a Santa Fe way car. Don't worry about the Athearn name; I've tried 'em and they drop right into place on the IM windows. (Forget about the full-height screen doors for the ends, however, as I haven't seen these on any Santa Fe way cars.)

If all you want is the screen material, Kit No. 225 Door and Window Screen Material (3" x 6"), MSRP $6.95, is what you're looking for. See the photo of my way car no. 1681 in photo section of the Yahoo STMFC site for an example of what the screens look like.

Is tea bag material cheaper? Maybe, but I'm guessing it comes folded into tea bags.

So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: X44 mods

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ron;

It was common enough that there are a lot of photos of PRR cars, particularly
in Circle Key lettering, in deplorable condition, with someone else's
stenciling of ownership and car number. There are photos of X29B, X43, X44,
and X45 cars, painted probably in the early 50's, with paint patches with PRR
and car number, in several of the PRR Color Guides, in photos taken by Paul
Winters, particularly, in the early 60's. Somehow, those cars escaped being
repainted!

It's your call as to whether or not you need one, but I have a couple that
look that way, and I still get complaints about how heavily weathered they
are, until I pull out the photo.....

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
mopacfirst
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:18 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: X44 mods



I won't be going out on a limb here, so I'm sticking with the SK. Eventually
I'll be building a car or two in PK that I have photo evidence on.

Just to clarify, I was thinking of cars that had a paint patch with initials
and number only, and especially if the stenciling was Railroad Roman or
similar, I now understand how that happened. Statistically, I'm not at all
sure that this was common enough to have a model of one, anyway.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood,
Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Ron;

How common was it for older cars, by the late 50s - early 60s, to
just get restenciling with the large initials <snip> forced some
other
RR to paint them on, just so they could tell whose car it was.

Elden Gatwood


Re: X44 mods

mopacfirst
 

I won't be going out on a limb here, so I'm sticking with the SK. Eventually I'll be building a car or two in PK that I have photo evidence on.

Just to clarify, I was thinking of cars that had a paint patch with initials and number only, and especially if the stenciling was Railroad Roman or similar, I now understand how that happened. Statistically, I'm not at all sure that this was common enough to have a model of one, anyway.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Ron;

How common was it for older cars, by the late 50s - early 60s, to
just get restenciling with the large initials <snip> forced some other
RR to paint them on, just so they could tell whose car it was.

Elden Gatwood


Re: One more PRR question

mopacfirst
 

That's about what I thought, and I can also gauge their location on the car with regard to the bottom of the end.

There are enough good photos of these various cars that I'm probably good to go, including at least one that I shot on the Santa Fe in 1969-70. I have plenty of undec Branchline.


Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Ron;

They varied, but the "standard" channel was 10" deep. I have seen a 12" deep
trapezoidal channel on an X43.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
mopacfirst
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:04 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] One more PRR question



I know some later Pennsy cars are in my future. <snip> - how wide was that channel? <snip>

Ron Merrick


Re: Drill source

Walter
 

Try Craig Marten at BLMA. I bought my last dozen from him and had good luck, he also has brass
grab iron templates.

WLO


Re: Drill source

Walter
 

Try Craig Marten at BLMA. I bought my last dozen from him and had good luck, he also has brass
grab iron templates.

WLO


Re: C&O Gondola

water.kresse@...
 

These cars had a tendecy to rust thru above the side sills in side panels.  That is why many recieved partial panel replacements in 1953-54 timeframe.



Builder's photos show they only had a few inches of black overspray at their top insides.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
From: "Elden J SAD Gatwood" <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:12:58 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] C&O Gondola

Bill;

There is a great photo of a C&O peaked end gon in one of the Pennsy Diesel
Years books.  The photo was taken from a bridge and you can clearly see the
interior, which is empty.  The interior is all shades of rust, ranging from
light in the center to darker at the edges. Of course you have to also add
trash and old dunnage to make it a gon....

Elden Gatwood


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Lane
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:36 AM
To: C&O List; Steam Era Freight cars
Subject: [STMFC] C&O Gondola

  

All,

Would the 40' peaked end C&O gondola hauled coal, or been in general gondola
service, or possibly both? I am trying to decide how to weather the interior.

Please reply directly to bill@lanestrains.com <mailto:bill%40lanestrains.com>


Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to
join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL






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RES: Drill source

Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
 

I once got some from Small Parts Inc. They also have a lot of stuff very
usefull for us.



www.smallparts.com <http://www.smallparts.com/>



Another very good one is the MSC Industrial Supply. Here you can select from
many different brands.



http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNPDFF?PMCTLG=00
<http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNPDFF?PMCTLG=00&PMPAGE=9000> &PMPAGE=9000



Regards





Marcelo Lordeiro

www.mrcustom.com.br

trens@mrcustom.com.br

Tel.: +55 21 2273-2758



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De: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Em nome de
almabranch
Enviada em: domingo, 27 de junho de 2010 22:39
Para: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: [STMFC] Drill source





Someone on this list helped me with a source for small drills, but I have
lost the info. My pack of a dozen #80's is about gone. Can someone help?
Thanks.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: C&O Gondola

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bill;

There is a great photo of a C&O peaked end gon in one of the Pennsy Diesel
Years books. The photo was taken from a bridge and you can clearly see the
interior, which is empty. The interior is all shades of rust, ranging from
light in the center to darker at the edges. Of course you have to also add
trash and old dunnage to make it a gon....

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Lane
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:36 AM
To: C&O List; Steam Era Freight cars
Subject: [STMFC] C&O Gondola



All,

Would the 40' peaked end C&O gondola hauled coal, or been in general gondola
service, or possibly both? I am trying to decide how to weather the interior.

Please reply directly to bill@lanestrains.com <mailto:bill%40lanestrains.com>


Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Custom Train Parts Design
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded (Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
http://www.prrths.com
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society It's FREE to
join! http://www.prslhs.com Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL


Re: One more PRR question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ron;

They varied, but the "standard" channel was 10" deep. I have seen a 12" deep
trapezoidal channel on an X43.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
mopacfirst
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:04 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] One more PRR question



I know some later Pennsy cars are in my future. Given that ordinary freight
car construction wasn't up to their desired level of performance or the
practices of guys who could load a car with a forklift, a number of later
boxcar classes got a channel sidesill (as, I hesitate to point out, other
roads like the T&P did also).

One thing I haven't seen - how wide was that channel? Could be different
between classes, I suppose. Some inch or two portion of it was behind the
side sheathing, it looks like, so I'd have to account for that.

Ron Merrick


Re: X44 mods

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ron;

How common was it for older cars, by the late 50s - early 60s, to
just get restenciling with the large initials rather than full repaint?
No PRR box cars intentionally got large initials only, at least on the PRR.
Some X29B, X43 and X44 I have photos of got stenciled off-line with initials
and numbers, but they are clearly not PRR stencils. I would guess the
atrocious paint on some PRR box cars that never came "home" forced some other
RR to paint them on, just so they could tell whose car it was.

Elden Gatwood


Re: X44 mods

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

RE: X44 box cars: As-built carried the Circle Keystone lettering scheme.
The Shadow Keystone drawing was issued April 14, 1954. The change from 9" to
7" numerals and the addition of the 7" "PRR" warranted another drawing, dated
June 26, 1958, and the Plain Keystone drawing was issued December 20, 1961.

The keystone on this scheme was 4' 2 1/2" high, and the "PRR" used 14" high
letters, 3' 10" long, to the left of the door.

The earliest Plain Keystone drawing I have been able to find reference to is
the F30A, F30D & F30E drawing of March 3, 1960. The last is the K11 of April
10, 1962.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
benjaminfrank_hom
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:58 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: X44 mods





Tim O'Connor wrote:
"The 'plain keystone' began around 1961, and "initials only" in the early
1960's."

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