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Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

Clark Propst
 

Bill,
Last Nov I sent an email to Joe inquiring about doing a clinic. His reply was that he wanted a copy of the clinic and handout. I responded with the question of what format and where to send it. Never received a reply.
Yesterday on receiving the reservation request I emailed again to see what was up. Adding the name and jist of the clinic. He replied this morning. Again saying he wants a CD of the show. Address is on the invite.

In a nut shell, I'd say he has no clinic list yet.

Clark Propst


Re: Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers

Bruce Smith
 

On 7/1/10 9:41 PM, Lawrence Rast wrote:
Any suggestions on decals for such a project?
On Jul 1, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Rob Adams replied:
In HO scale, Mark Vaughan has a nice set (Set #CC) of decals for Wabash
open hoppers that includes one car's worth of lettering and reporting
marks for Ann Arbor hoppers. It includes the correct style of "R" for
the AA War Emergency hoppers. CDS also makes a nice set of transfers
specifically for the AA War Emergency hoppers. It is their set #490,
with a prefix specific to the scale

Rob,

I'm glad Larry asked! I was planning on using the leftover pieces of the decals I got with Stan R's Wabash/Ann Arbor panel sided hopper. I'm doing that as Wabash since the AA seems to have had very few of those cars. I'll have to look at that set and see if the "R" is correct... what should I be looking for?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

Bill Welch
 

Jim, I did go there before I sent my message about no details regarding presentations.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:

Bill, go directly to the source.

http://ppw-aline.com/rpm-naperville.htm

I've never had much success with STMFPH myself.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:45 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>wrote:


Ben:

When I try to access this link and sign into Yahoo all I get is a
message that says that I have to access Web Access.
I'm ready to sign up and don't care that a list of presenters is not
yet available.

Bill Pardie

On Jul 1, 2010, at 8:26 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

PDF copies of information and registration form for this year's
Naperville meet are posted in the STMFPH files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/Naperville%20Prototype%20Meet%202010/

Ben Hom




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Re: Walthers Commonwealth vs F41

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Gareth;

That's a bargain!

The Walthers car closely matches the Commonwealth cast steel flat car, as
built for many RRs, but not quite exact for the PRR F41, which utilized the
PRR's own design specs. The PRR was very familiar with cast steel bodies
from Commonwealth, and when they went to them for this new class, they told
them exactly what they wanted. The differences between PRR F41 and the
"standard" Commonwealth are as follows:

1) The PRR F41 had a different arrangement of visible members on the deck,
including two extra exposed frame members that ran inboard of the bolster,
plus an extra one outside the bolster, and round depressions cast into many
of the members that do not match the other car, plus the top of the draft
gear housing that is exposed on the deck is a different shape;

2) The PRR F41 had side and end sills from the bolster out, that were
shallower than the std Commonwealth casting;

3) The PRR F41 did not have the oval inspection holes in the side sill, that
appears on the Commonwealth casting;

4) The PRR F41 had tie-downs (lading strap anchors) that appear as little
rings midway between each stake pocket;

5) The brake stand was located closer to the coupler than on the Walthers
car, and had a corresponding bump in the end sill around that feature. The
F41B, which was in other ways very close, had an external drop staff hand
brake assembly, with a semi-circular depression in the deck, more like the
Walthers car, rather than the removable assembly on the F41 proper. The F41B
had Crown trucks like the PRR's H21A hoppers, which you can get from Bowser.

It all depends on whether or not you care about this stuff, and the Walthers
car is close, but not close enough for some.

Elden Gatwood


Btw: the day I saw the F39 I grabbed a used F41 which also appears to be a
Walthers though obviously shorter (55ft?) It's slightly narrower toward the
ends, has an offset upright brakewheel, and underneath has an exposed metal
weight. It looks a little weathered and was only $5. Why would they put some
brake detail on the underside of a what appears to be unpainted col steel
plate for weighting. I guess you'd see the brake tanks? from the side while
looking but not the plate? Is this a halfway decent model of a F41?

-Gareth


RPM Naperville 2010

tmolsen@...
 

Guys,

Here is part of the note that Jo D'elia sent me when I inquired about the Naperville meet this fall:

Joe D'Elia wrote:
Mailings are going out as we speak. Martin has had a
computer meltdown and that's why nothing has been sent out
yet. I am making the clinician mailing and Martin is making
the attendees mailing.
Some info is on the web-site now:
http://ppw-aline.com/rpm-naperville.htm
More info will be put up as soon as we can. Dates are set
Oct. 21,22,23,24, 2010. Special room rates also.
Lunch and dinner same as last year. We will have the
registration form on the web-site, please give this info to
your friends.
The room rate is $92, the same as last year. The best part is that the rate begins earlier in the week so that attendees can arrive several days earlier than the start of the RPM.

Joe advised that there will be further information down the road as time goes by. I have already booked my reservation directly with the hotel (using the group booking code "JSM") as I have always done in the past.

I know from what Tricia told me that Joe and Martin began working together last year to make the transfer of this years meet as seamless as possible. At that time, Martin made his RPM contact lists available to Joe so that he could line up clinicians for October.

As Tom Madden wrote:
In past years, this is about when Martin sent out letters
to potential clinicians. He'd send out the meet
announcements later, once he had his clinics lined up. Joe
included a call for clinicians in this mailing, right below
the NO REFUNDS... blurb. Looks like he wants to get the
preregistrations going ASAP, "presentation content" to
follow.
I would say, it looks like Joe is right on schedule!

Best regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292 (H)
(302) 740-2897 (C)
tmolsen@udel.edu


Re: Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers

Rob Adams
 

Larry;

In HO scale, Mark Vaughan has a nice set (Set #CC) of decals for Wabash open hoppers that includes one car's worth of lettering and reporting marks for Ann Arbor hoppers. It includes the correct style of "R" for the AA War Emergency hoppers. CDS also makes a nice set of transfers specifically for the AA War Emergency hoppers. It is their set #490, with a prefix specific to the scale

In other scales, the CDS option is your best bet. See Terry Link's TMR Distributing site for CDS transfers: <http://www.canadasouthern.com/tmr/CDS.htm>

Mark Vaughan's decals are available through Des Plaines Hobbies and other brick and mortar hobby dealers, or directly from Mark. See <http://www.wabashcustomdecals.com/>

Regards, Rob Adams

On 7/1/10 9:41 PM, Lawrence Rast wrote:
Any suggestions on decals for such a project?

Many thanks.
Larry Rast
Fort Wayne, IN

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Bruce Smith<smithbf@auburn.edu> wrote:



Folks,

With some PFE reefers just about done, I'm getting into a hopper mood!
I have a few excess C&O war emergency hoppers (P2K), but since C&O cars
were rarely, if ever seen on the PRR, I was thinking of stripping one
and repainting it Ann Arbor. I am in the process of chasing down the
RMJ articles on the war emergency cars, but in the mean time, I was
curious to know how many of these cars the Ann Arbor had.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL





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Re: Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers

Lawrence Rast
 

Any suggestions on decals for such a project?

Many thanks.
Larry Rast
Fort Wayne, IN

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@auburn.edu> wrote:



Folks,

With some PFE reefers just about done, I'm getting into a hopper mood!
I have a few excess C&O war emergency hoppers (P2K), but since C&O cars
were rarely, if ever seen on the PRR, I was thinking of stripping one
and repainting it Ann Arbor. I am in the process of chasing down the
RMJ articles on the war emergency cars, but in the mean time, I was
curious to know how many of these cars the Ann Arbor had.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Re: Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers

Rich C
 

Bruce,
They had 75 in the 30900-30974 series. That number was reduced to 13 in 1956, down to 1 in 1961 and all gone in 1964.
 
Rich Christie

--- On Thu, 7/1/10, Bruce Smith <smithbf@auburn.edu> wrote:


From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@auburn.edu>
Subject: [STMFC] Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 9:24 PM


 



Folks,

With some PFE reefers just about done, I'm getting into a hopper mood!
I have a few excess C&O war emergency hoppers (P2K), but since C&O cars
were rarely, if ever seen on the PRR, I was thinking of stripping one
and repainting it Ann Arbor. I am in the process of chasing down the
RMJ articles on the war emergency cars, but in the mean time, I was
curious to know how many of these cars the Ann Arbor had.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

With some PFE reefers just about done, I'm getting into a hopper mood!
I have a few excess C&O war emergency hoppers (P2K), but since C&O cars
were rarely, if ever seen on the PRR, I was thinking of stripping one
and repainting it Ann Arbor. I am in the process of chasing down the
RMJ articles on the war emergency cars, but in the mean time, I was
curious to know how many of these cars the Ann Arbor had.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

Jim Hayes
 

Bill, go directly to the source.

http://ppw-aline.com/rpm-naperville.htm

I've never had much success with STMFPH myself.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:45 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@hawaii.rr.com>wrote:


Ben:

When I try to access this link and sign into Yahoo all I get is a
message that says that I have to access Web Access.
I'm ready to sign up and don't care that a list of presenters is not
yet available.

Bill Pardie

On Jul 1, 2010, at 8:26 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

PDF copies of information and registration form for this year's
Naperville meet are posted in the STMFPH files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/Naperville%20Prototype%20Meet%202010/

Ben Hom








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Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Ben:

When I try to access this link and sign into Yahoo all I get is a
message that says that I have to access Web Access.
I'm ready to sign up and don't care that a list of presenters is not
yet available.

Bill Pardie

On Jul 1, 2010, at 8:26 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

PDF copies of information and registration form for this year's
Naperville meet are posted in the STMFPH files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/Naperville%20Prototype%20Meet%202010/

Ben Hom




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Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

It is frustrating not to see any information that hints at presentation content.

Bill Welch
In past years, this is about when Martin sent out letters to potential clinicians. He'd send out the meet announcements later, once he had his clinics lined up. Joe included a call for clinicians in this mailing, right below the NO REFUNDS... blurb. Looks like he wants to get the preregistrations going ASAP, "presentation content" to follow

Tom Madden


Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

Bill Welch
 

It is frustrating not to see any information that hints at presentation content.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

PDF copies of information and registration form for this year's Naperville meet are posted in the STMFPH files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/Naperville%20Prototype%20Meet%202010/


Ben Hom


Re: wire reels/spools

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

You guys must not have seen the Duha cable reels that JWD
Premium sells (www.jwdpremiumproducts.com), which are very well done.
It's part #11290. If you're interested, Duha also have a web site, www.volny.cz/duha.du

Yes, you're right Tony they have many different one that all look nice but a car full of them would be even more expensive. The big ones cost about $15 each!

Try doing a search of duha or volny.

Ed


17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

Benjamin Hom
 

PDF copies of information and registration form for this year's Naperville meet are posted in the STMFPH files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/Naperville%20Prototype%20Meet%202010/


Ben Hom


Re: Drill source

Jared Harper
 

Another complaint about pin vices is that all of the ones I have seem to be heavier on the chuck end so when dropped they land chuck down and break the drill. If the handle end were heavier I would break fewer drills.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, cobrapsl@... wrote:


Jared,

Buy some of Otto Frei pin vises. Denny put me on to them a couple of years ago, and they are one of the best tools on my work bench. They are reasonably inexpensive, so I keep six of them with 74 through 80 bits on hand at all times.

Paul Lyons






-----Original Message-----
From: almabranch <harperandbrown@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 9:14 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Drill source




I have a half dozen pin vices, but only one closes down to zero to hold really small drills.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Denny Anspach <danspach@> wrote:

Most of the drills "with the collets" are carbide, an excellent very
sharp tool, but very brittle. As a result, they should really only be
used in a drill press or other fixed drill source, not with the usual
hand-held power tool or pin vise.

BTW, one can never have enough pin vises, or "there are only a few
pin vises that I haven't liked".

I will second Jack Burgesses comments on Otto Frei. I have found so
much GOOD tool stuff there over the years, and they still carry truly
fine, precise, and/or sharp Swiss, Japanese, and German tools that in
the total scheme of things still allow us to achieve both a real
satisfaction and a true economy.

By the way, Frei has some absolutely excellent small brass French-made
pin vises that are easy in the hand, and perfectly-center c. 70-80
drills.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento






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Re: One more PRR question

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

I'll bet you're right. The worsening track conditions led to trains tipping
into one another, even when they didn't actually derail, and some cars
survived with just dents, but that crease looks like it could have been
caused by a hopper.

Elden Gatwood
It looks like the result of the classic "cornering" collision; the car was dragged by a car just a tad past the fouling point at a switch, very likely a hopper as Elden said. Note the door rods and ladder styles are not only bent in, but also bent sideways toward the near end of the car, which indicates the direction the car was moving.

Dennis


Re: One more PRR question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

I'll bet you're right. The worsening track conditions led to trains tipping
into one another, even when they didn't actually derail, and some cars
survived with just dents, but that crease looks like it could have been
caused by a hopper.

Elden Gatwood

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
al_brown03
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:58 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: One more PRR question



Speaking of the ditch, looks like that car's been in it! (Or maybe
sideswiped.) Check out the dent two-thirds of the way up.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood,
Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

On many PRR cars it was actually a channel being used for the side
sill, like those X54 cars. Like Ron stated, they would cut out
sections of the channel and re-weld the leg, where they wanted a
different depth (like near the stirrups), but I think the labor needed
to do so outweighed the saving of just using the entire channel, so they
used entire channels on some classes.
PRR went to a very robust design starting with the X46, that included
that full-length channel and also bolster posts that extended up the
interior of the side, that resulted in those cars thereafter making
all the way into Conrail.

Elden Gatwood

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of mopacfirst
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:42 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: One more PRR question



Actually, they're pretty easy to see, but they are turned inward so
they don't look like channels from the outside. Lots of cars built
after the mid-fifties had them, and sometimes if you look closely at a
car whose bottom sidesill edge has a slope to it, you may see a weld
seam that starts at the point where the slope begins, and extends
along the slope and the narrower part of the sill. That's where a
section of the channel was cut out to make it narrower. (You probably
can't see this in a photo of an entire car.)

Let's use this one an an example:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr19471ags.jpg

Now, it's entirely possible that some of these are actually plate or
unequal-leg angle and not channel, in which case I stand corrected.
Visually, I'd have to say they are indistinguishable from trackside
unless you're in the ditch or the car is.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Misc Clark <clark.cone4@> wrote:

Ron, do you have a photo of this channel that you can share... I'm
stymied as to where that would be located on the car...
TIA, Clark Cone


Re: One more PRR question

al_brown03
 

Speaking of the ditch, looks like that car's been in it! (Or maybe sideswiped.) Check out the dent two-thirds of the way up.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

On many PRR cars it was actually a channel being used for the side sill, like
those X54 cars. Like Ron stated, they would cut out sections of the channel
and re-weld the leg, where they wanted a different depth (like near the
stirrups), but I think the labor needed to do so outweighed the saving of
just using the entire channel, so they used entire channels on some classes.
PRR went to a very robust design starting with the X46, that included that
full-length channel and also bolster posts that extended up the interior of
the side, that resulted in those cars thereafter making all the way into
Conrail.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
mopacfirst
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:42 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: One more PRR question



Actually, they're pretty easy to see, but they are turned inward so they
don't look like channels from the outside. Lots of cars built after the
mid-fifties had them, and sometimes if you look closely at a car whose bottom
sidesill edge has a slope to it, you may see a weld seam that starts at the
point where the slope begins, and extends along the slope and the narrower
part of the sill. That's where a section of the channel was cut out to make
it narrower. (You probably can't see this in a photo of an entire car.)

Let's use this one an an example:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr19471ags.jpg

Now, it's entirely possible that some of these are actually plate or
unequal-leg angle and not channel, in which case I stand corrected. Visually,
I'd have to say they are indistinguishable from trackside unless you're in
the ditch or the car is.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Misc Clark
<clark.cone4@> wrote:

Ron, do you have a photo of this channel that you can share... I'm
stymied as to where that would be located on the car...
TIA, Clark Cone


Re: One more PRR question

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

On many PRR cars it was actually a channel being used for the side sill, like
those X54 cars. Like Ron stated, they would cut out sections of the channel
and re-weld the leg, where they wanted a different depth (like near the
stirrups), but I think the labor needed to do so outweighed the saving of
just using the entire channel, so they used entire channels on some classes.
PRR went to a very robust design starting with the X46, that included that
full-length channel and also bolster posts that extended up the interior of
the side, that resulted in those cars thereafter making all the way into
Conrail.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
mopacfirst
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:42 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: One more PRR question



Actually, they're pretty easy to see, but they are turned inward so they
don't look like channels from the outside. Lots of cars built after the
mid-fifties had them, and sometimes if you look closely at a car whose bottom
sidesill edge has a slope to it, you may see a weld seam that starts at the
point where the slope begins, and extends along the slope and the narrower
part of the sill. That's where a section of the channel was cut out to make
it narrower. (You probably can't see this in a photo of an entire car.)

Let's use this one an an example:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr19471ags.jpg

Now, it's entirely possible that some of these are actually plate or
unequal-leg angle and not channel, in which case I stand corrected. Visually,
I'd have to say they are indistinguishable from trackside unless you're in
the ditch or the car is.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Misc Clark
<clark.cone4@...> wrote:

Ron, do you have a photo of this channel that you can share... I'm
stymied as to where that would be located on the car...
TIA, Clark Cone

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