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Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010
Clark Propst
Bill,
Last Nov I sent an email to Joe inquiring about doing a clinic. His reply was that he wanted a copy of the clinic and handout. I responded with the question of what format and where to send it. Never received a reply. Yesterday on receiving the reservation request I emailed again to see what was up. Adding the name and jist of the clinic. He replied this morning. Again saying he wants a CD of the show. Address is on the invite. In a nut shell, I'd say he has no clinic list yet. Clark Propst
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Re: Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers
On Jul 1, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Rob Adams replied:On 7/1/10 9:41 PM, Lawrence Rast wrote:Any suggestions on decals for such a project? In HO scale, Mark Vaughan has a nice set (Set #CC) of decals for Wabash Rob, I'm glad Larry asked! I was planning on using the leftover pieces of the decals I got with Stan R's Wabash/Ann Arbor panel sided hopper. I'm doing that as Wabash since the AA seems to have had very few of those cars. I'll have to look at that set and see if the "R" is correct... what should I be looking for? Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0
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Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010
Bill Welch
Jim, I did go there before I sent my message about no details regarding presentations.
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Bill Welch
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Jim Hayes <jimhayes97225@...> wrote:
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Re: Walthers Commonwealth vs F41
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Gareth;
That's a bargain! The Walthers car closely matches the Commonwealth cast steel flat car, as built for many RRs, but not quite exact for the PRR F41, which utilized the PRR's own design specs. The PRR was very familiar with cast steel bodies from Commonwealth, and when they went to them for this new class, they told them exactly what they wanted. The differences between PRR F41 and the "standard" Commonwealth are as follows: 1) The PRR F41 had a different arrangement of visible members on the deck, including two extra exposed frame members that ran inboard of the bolster, plus an extra one outside the bolster, and round depressions cast into many of the members that do not match the other car, plus the top of the draft gear housing that is exposed on the deck is a different shape; 2) The PRR F41 had side and end sills from the bolster out, that were shallower than the std Commonwealth casting; 3) The PRR F41 did not have the oval inspection holes in the side sill, that appears on the Commonwealth casting; 4) The PRR F41 had tie-downs (lading strap anchors) that appear as little rings midway between each stake pocket; 5) The brake stand was located closer to the coupler than on the Walthers car, and had a corresponding bump in the end sill around that feature. The F41B, which was in other ways very close, had an external drop staff hand brake assembly, with a semi-circular depression in the deck, more like the Walthers car, rather than the removable assembly on the F41 proper. The F41B had Crown trucks like the PRR's H21A hoppers, which you can get from Bowser. It all depends on whether or not you care about this stuff, and the Walthers car is close, but not close enough for some. Elden Gatwood Walthers though obviously shorter (55ft?) It's slightly narrower toward theBtw: the day I saw the F39 I grabbed a used F41 which also appears to be a ends, has an offset upright brakewheel, and underneath has an exposed metal weight. It looks a little weathered and was only $5. Why would they put some brake detail on the underside of a what appears to be unpainted col steel plate for weighting. I guess you'd see the brake tanks? from the side while looking but not the plate? Is this a halfway decent model of a F41? -Gareth
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RPM Naperville 2010
tmolsen@...
Guys,
Here is part of the note that Jo D'elia sent me when I inquired about the Naperville meet this fall: Joe D'Elia wrote: More info will be put up as soon as we can. Dates are setThe room rate is $92, the same as last year. The best part is that the rate begins earlier in the week so that attendees can arrive several days earlier than the start of the RPM. Joe advised that there will be further information down the road as time goes by. I have already booked my reservation directly with the hotel (using the group booking code "JSM") as I have always done in the past. I know from what Tricia told me that Joe and Martin began working together last year to make the transfer of this years meet as seamless as possible. At that time, Martin made his RPM contact lists available to Joe so that he could line up clinicians for October. As Tom Madden wrote:I would say, it looks like Joe is right on schedule! Best regards, Tom Olsen 7 Boundary Road, West Branch Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479 (302) 738-4292 (H) (302) 740-2897 (C) tmolsen@udel.edu
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Re: Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers
Rob Adams
Larry;
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In HO scale, Mark Vaughan has a nice set (Set #CC) of decals for Wabash open hoppers that includes one car's worth of lettering and reporting marks for Ann Arbor hoppers. It includes the correct style of "R" for the AA War Emergency hoppers. CDS also makes a nice set of transfers specifically for the AA War Emergency hoppers. It is their set #490, with a prefix specific to the scale In other scales, the CDS option is your best bet. See Terry Link's TMR Distributing site for CDS transfers: <http://www.canadasouthern.com/tmr/CDS.htm> Mark Vaughan's decals are available through Des Plaines Hobbies and other brick and mortar hobby dealers, or directly from Mark. See <http://www.wabashcustomdecals.com/> Regards, Rob Adams
On 7/1/10 9:41 PM, Lawrence Rast wrote:
Any suggestions on decals for such a project?
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Re: Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers
Lawrence Rast
Any suggestions on decals for such a project?
Many thanks. Larry Rast Fort Wayne, IN On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@auburn.edu> wrote:
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Re: Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers
Rich C
Bruce,
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They had 75 in the 30900-30974 series. That number was reduced to 13 in 1956, down to 1 in 1961 and all gone in 1964.  Rich Christie
--- On Thu, 7/1/10, Bruce Smith <smithbf@auburn.edu> wrote:
From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@auburn.edu> Subject: [STMFC] Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 9:24 PM Â Folks, With some PFE reefers just about done, I'm getting into a hopper mood! I have a few excess C&O war emergency hoppers (P2K), but since C&O cars were rarely, if ever seen on the PRR, I was thinking of stripping one and repainting it Ann Arbor. I am in the process of chasing down the RMJ articles on the war emergency cars, but in the mean time, I was curious to know how many of these cars the Ann Arbor had. Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers
Folks,
With some PFE reefers just about done, I'm getting into a hopper mood! I have a few excess C&O war emergency hoppers (P2K), but since C&O cars were rarely, if ever seen on the PRR, I was thinking of stripping one and repainting it Ann Arbor. I am in the process of chasing down the RMJ articles on the war emergency cars, but in the mean time, I was curious to know how many of these cars the Ann Arbor had. Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010
Jim Hayes
Bill, go directly to the source.
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http://ppw-aline.com/rpm-naperville.htm I've never had much success with STMFPH myself. Jim Hayes Portland Oregon www.sunshinekits.com
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:45 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@hawaii.rr.com>wrote:
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Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010
WILLIAM PARDIE
Ben:
When I try to access this link and sign into Yahoo all I get is a message that says that I have to access Web Access. I'm ready to sign up and don't care that a list of presenters is not yet available. Bill Pardie On Jul 1, 2010, at 8:26 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote: PDF copies of information and registration form for this year's [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010
pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
It is frustrating not to see any information that hints at presentation content.In past years, this is about when Martin sent out letters to potential clinicians. He'd send out the meet announcements later, once he had his clinics lined up. Joe included a call for clinicians in this mailing, right below the NO REFUNDS... blurb. Looks like he wants to get the preregistrations going ASAP, "presentation content" to follow Tom Madden
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Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010
Bill Welch
It is frustrating not to see any information that hints at presentation content.
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Bill Welch
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:
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Re: wire reels/spools
ed_mines
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
Yes, you're right Tony they have many different one that all look nice but a car full of them would be even more expensive. The big ones cost about $15 each! Try doing a search of duha or volny. Ed
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17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010
Benjamin Hom
PDF copies of information and registration form for this year's Naperville meet are posted in the STMFPH files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/Naperville%20Prototype%20Meet%202010/ Ben Hom
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Re: Drill source
Jared Harper
Another complaint about pin vices is that all of the ones I have seem to be heavier on the chuck end so when dropped they land chuck down and break the drill. If the handle end were heavier I would break fewer drills.
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Jared Harper Athens, GA
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Re: One more PRR question
Dennis Storzek
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
It looks like the result of the classic "cornering" collision; the car was dragged by a car just a tad past the fouling point at a switch, very likely a hopper as Elden said. Note the door rods and ladder styles are not only bent in, but also bent sideways toward the near end of the car, which indicates the direction the car was moving. Dennis
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Re: One more PRR question
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
I'll bet you're right. The worsening track conditions led to trains tipping
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into one another, even when they didn't actually derail, and some cars survived with just dents, but that crease looks like it could have been caused by a hopper. Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of al_brown03 Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:58 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: One more PRR question Speaking of the ditch, looks like that car's been in it! (Or maybe sideswiped.) Check out the dent two-thirds of the way up. Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote: used entire channels on some classes. PRR went to a very robust design starting with the X46, that included
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Re: One more PRR question
al_brown03
Speaking of the ditch, looks like that car's been in it! (Or maybe sideswiped.) Check out the dent two-thirds of the way up.
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Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
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Re: One more PRR question
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
On many PRR cars it was actually a channel being used for the side sill, like
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those X54 cars. Like Ron stated, they would cut out sections of the channel and re-weld the leg, where they wanted a different depth (like near the stirrups), but I think the labor needed to do so outweighed the saving of just using the entire channel, so they used entire channels on some classes. PRR went to a very robust design starting with the X46, that included that full-length channel and also bolster posts that extended up the interior of the side, that resulted in those cars thereafter making all the way into Conrail. Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mopacfirst Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:42 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: One more PRR question Actually, they're pretty easy to see, but they are turned inward so they don't look like channels from the outside. Lots of cars built after the mid-fifties had them, and sometimes if you look closely at a car whose bottom sidesill edge has a slope to it, you may see a weld seam that starts at the point where the slope begins, and extends along the slope and the narrower part of the sill. That's where a section of the channel was cut out to make it narrower. (You probably can't see this in a photo of an entire car.) Let's use this one an an example: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr19471ags.jpg Now, it's entirely possible that some of these are actually plate or unequal-leg angle and not channel, in which case I stand corrected. Visually, I'd have to say they are indistinguishable from trackside unless you're in the ditch or the car is. Ron Merrick --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Misc Clark <clark.cone4@...> wrote:
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