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Re: Rock Island aluminum box cars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Jul 4, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Though strictly speaking, these were passenger express cars,
AAR class BX, they LOOKED like freight cars <g> and I'm sure someone
on this list knows about them. I have a partly-built Sunshine kit for
these, but no photos, and don't know what kind of trucks they had.
Number series RI 20060-20069. `Anyone?
Tony,
Check p.5 of RP CYC Vol. 6.
Ed Hawkins


Rock Island aluminum box cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Though strictly speaking, these were passenger express cars, AAR class BX, they LOOKED like freight cars <g> and I'm sure someone on this list knows about them. I have a partly-built Sunshine kit for these, but no photos, and don't know what kind of trucks they had. Number series RI 20060-20069. `Anyone?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Reading WE hopper

al_brown03
 

RMJ 4/02, p 20, has a construction photo of this car's framing. It doesn't show interior braces; the caption refers to "diagonal bracing at the interior car end", but the braces shown run from the end sills diagonally up to the where the slope sheets will go. Interesting thing, though: the tops of the sides are connected with two flexible straps, evidently to keep the sides from bowing outwards.

Warning: Speculation follows!

When interior bracing exists, isn't it there to keep the load from making the sides bow outwards in the same way? So, I don't know whether this car got diagonal bracing later in construction, but wouldn't be surprised either way. The other photos I've found of these cars don't show the interiors.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Bill,
Was that a little resin dust clogging your throat?
Feeling your pain...
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, wdarnaby@ wrote:

I very recently assembled an F&C RDG war emergency hopper.  The usually thorough...cough, cough <g>.....F&C instructions made no reference to the interior.  Did these cars have interior braces?  Anybody know?
 
Thanks,
Bill Darnaby

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Hoboes

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://www.nationalheritagemuseum.org/Default.aspx?tabid=405

This is an interesting web page, a virtual (only) exhibit about hoboes in
the Depression. There are interesting links to audio bits.

They are boarding freight cars, STMFC content.

SGL





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Re: Reading WE hopper

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Bill,
Was that a little resin dust clogging your throat?
Feeling your pain...
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, wdarnaby@... wrote:

I very recently assembled an F&C RDG war emergency hopper.  The usually thorough...cough, cough <g>.....F&C instructions made no reference to the interior.  Did these cars have interior braces?  Anybody know?
 
Thanks,
Bill Darnaby

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Reading WE hopper

william darnaby
 

I very recently assembled an F&C RDG war emergency hopper.  The usually thorough...cough, cough <g>.....F&C instructions made no reference to the interior.  Did these cars have interior braces?  Anybody know?
 
Thanks,
Bill Darnaby


Re: Union Pacific Caboose Colors

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bill Pardie writes:

I recently obtained an excellent overland model of a Union Pacific
CA-1 wood caboose with a
side door. All the photos of this car in the CP Caboose book as well
as the photos that I have
from Bob's Photo show this car in the armour yellow scheme. I would
like to finish this car
in the oxide red scheme, however, I am hesitant to do so without the
documentation. I believe
that this conversion (side door) was done prior to the adoption of the
armour yellow scheme.
Probably the most thorough book on Up cabooses is Cabooses of the Union Pacific Railroad by Don Strack and James Ehernberger. It identifies 4
CA-1 cabooses with side door[s]...2612, 2624, 2640, and 3238. These were modified to have the side door added [ 2624 is known to have a door on both sides ] for baggage use on branch lines. There is a drawing showing the design for the side door dated Sep 1945. UP began painting its cabooses in the yellow scheme in June 1947 and, apparently, the process took at least 3 years. UP adopted a plan to renumber its cabooses into the 25000 series in Dec, 1958. However, it did not begin to renumber the CA-1 class until 1962 and even then it only renumbered 103 wood cabooses into the 25000 series. At that time there were 199 CA-1, 39 CA and 18 N.C.S cabooses left on the roster.

Although the book does not give the date when the side doors were added to the cabooses listed, since the drawing was dated 1945, a time when UP cabooses were red, I would assume that all 4 listed were probably red for a few years. And, they would have sported their original number. BTW, #2269 also had a side door but it only had 2 windows on one side.

Mike Brock...it is unknown if one ever ventured over Sherman Hill.<G>


Re: Union Pacific Caboose Colors

jerryglow2
 

Cockle's CA11 caboose book shows a few CA1s in the oxide scheme and a side door one in the then current yellow scheme applied when overhalled in 1972.

Jerry Glow

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I recently obtained an excellent overland model of a Union Pacific
CA-1 wood caboose with a
side door. All the photos of this car in the CP Caboose book as well
as the photos that I have
from Bob's Photo show this car in the armour yellow scheme. I would
like to finish this car
in the oxide red scheme, however, I am hesitant to do so without the
documentation. I believe
that this conversion (side door) was done prior to the adoption of the
armour yellow scheme.
Can anyone verify this?

Also did the UP wood cabooses use the tarred canvas roof as on the SP
wood cabooses?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Bill Pardie


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Union Pacific Caboose Colors

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I recently obtained an excellent overland model of a Union Pacific
CA-1 wood caboose with a
side door. All the photos of this car in the CP Caboose book as well
as the photos that I have
from Bob's Photo show this car in the armour yellow scheme. I would
like to finish this car
in the oxide red scheme, however, I am hesitant to do so without the
documentation. I believe
that this conversion (side door) was done prior to the adoption of the
armour yellow scheme.
Can anyone verify this?

Also did the UP wood cabooses use the tarred canvas roof as on the SP
wood cabooses?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Bill Pardie


New Haven Class NE Caboose C-118

Peter Ness
 

I am pleased to share that I have completed my first STMFC-era resin
kit. Although I model 1959, just barely in the scope of this group,
Class NE cabooses were built by the New Haven Railroad about 1922, so at
least one car on my roster is well within scope. The car features a
scratch-built interior and can be viewed on both "Cabeese" and
"Maintenance of Way" pages of my web site
<http://newhavenrailroad1959.webs.com/> .

To be clear, this isn't the first resin kit I have built, only the first
freight car kit. When I first started it a bunch of years ago my intent
was to learn how to prepare and assemble resin freight car kits.
Somewhere along the line I got it in my head I should detail the
interior since the kit included parts to detail the underbody. That was
2006. Suffice to say, today I am no longer intimidated by any kit -
resin or otherwise - and now that this beastie is off the workbench and
on the benchwork my conscience is clear (anyone else feel guilty when
they're working on newer projects and still have one that is very
long-incompleted taking up space?) enough to move on to my healthy stash
of foreign road resin kits (after I get a few more projects beyond the
scope of this group off the workbench!)

Happy modeling and Happy 4th,

Peter Ness


Re: Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers

Bruce Smith
 

Rob,

Wow! Thanks for the explanation! I do have that article, and it
appears I have the Mark Vaughn decals. In addition, the car was
stripped of its old paint last night and is dry and ready to assemble.
It looks like I'm good to go!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

Rob Adams <steamera@netins.net> 07/02/10 5:14 PM >>>
Bruce;

I've not studied the decals included with Stan's kit, though I would
wager they may be the same as, or derived from the artwork used for Mark

Vaughan's set. The Ann Arbor's steam/early diesel era Wabash-style
freight car lettering schemes with 14 inch high letters were
characterized by two styles of "R" characters. If you have Volume 2 of
Ted Culotta's journal containing my article about AA box cars, there is
a discussion of the differences (along with many photographs of box cars

illustrating the differences). The difference may seem to be one of
nuance from a distance, particularly to one unfamiliar with AA rolling
stock.

Based on my significant study of AA cars, I can say that most
photographs of the AA USRA hoppers show the "modified" R, while most, if

not all photographs of the AA War Emergency composite hoppers have the
"Standard" R. The AA only had 25 of the panel side hoppers, and the
photographic record of them is meager (I've seen 2 photos, only 1
showing the entire car). There is one good photo from Bob's Photos that

shows a rather beat up car near the end of its career, with metal
patches on the panel sides. If my recollections are correct, it has the
"Modified" R lettering style (I don't presently have access to my
photos, so must hedge here). I would really like to see a photo of an
"as-built" AA panel-side car. They were built by the Wabash, and it
wouldn't surprise if they were delivered with the "Standard" R lettering

like the composite cars.

At any rate, my comment in the previous post about the Mark Vaughan
lettering being correct for the AA War Emergency cars stems from the
fact that his set contains ONLY the "Standard" R style Ann Arbor road
name lettering. To my knowledge, there is not any currently available
set with the "modified' R, so strictly speaking, the options in multiple

scales from CDS, Mark Vaughan (HO), Overland (O), etc. have never
included the correct style for the most common variants of AA USRA and
panel hoppers. Ditto most of the AA single sheathed box cars.
Accurail has the road name style correct on their single sheathed
"stand-in" for an AA 73750-series box car, though that car should have
Hutchins ends.

I should emphasize that the vernacular of "Standard" vs. "Modified" R is

entirely my concoction to describe the photographic record, and I've
never seen any company records that document changes in stencils, and
the available stenciling diagrams make no mention of it either.

That may be more than you care to know about the lettering habits of the

AA while under Wabash control, but I hope it is of some help with your
modeling.

Kind regards, Rob Adams


On 7/2/10 8:11 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:

On 7/1/10 9:41 PM, Lawrence Rast wrote:
Any suggestions on decals for such a project?
On Jul 1, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Rob Adams replied:
In HO scale, Mark Vaughan has a nice set (Set #CC) of decals for
Wabash
open hoppers that includes one car's worth of lettering and
reporting
marks for Ann Arbor hoppers. It includes the correct style of "R"
for
the AA War Emergency hoppers. CDS also makes a nice set of transfers
specifically for the AA War Emergency hoppers. It is their set #490,
with a prefix specific to the scale
Rob,

I'm glad Larry asked! I was planning on using the leftover pieces of
the decals I got with Stan R's Wabash/Ann Arbor panel sided hopper.
I'm doing that as Wabash since the AA seems to have had very few of
those cars. I'll have to look at that set and see if the "R" is
correct... what should I be looking for?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: InterMountain HO USRA Composite Gons

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:27 PM, behillman wrote:

I was looking through the InterMountain kits at the local hobby
shop and found their HO USRA Composite Gondolas, and just had to
get one. The interior detail looks quite excellent. I've always
liked gondola interiors and the IM detail looks really nice.
(Actual composite, wood & 'plastic')

I got a CB&Q car with a 1-19 build date. I'd guess several roads
still had these cars on the roster in 1950?
A few did, but most did not. The CB&Q cars were extensively rebuilt
in the 1930s with solid floors and cut down sides and ends, and the
last of the modified cars were gone before 1948 (cf. Burlington Route
Historical Society freight car data sheet "Burlington's Composite
Gondola Fleet" by Al Hoffman and Hol Wagner). Many other railroads
rebuilt their USRA composite gondolas in the 1930s with all steel
bodies, and most of the cars that remained were converted to solid
floors. See my article in Railmodel Journal, February 2000. As far
as I could determine, only two railroads still had significant
numbers of USRA gondolas in revenue service ca. 1950: Atlantic Coast
Line and St. Louis-San Francisco. Boston & Maine, Louisville &
Nashville, Minneapolis & St. Louis, and Southern Pacific still had a
few cars on their active rosters, but their numbers were rapidly
dwindling in 1950 and the cars that remained probably did not go off-
line much in interchange service.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Ann Arbor war emergency hoppers

Rob Adams
 

Bruce;

I've not studied the decals included with Stan's kit, though I would
wager they may be the same as, or derived from the artwork used for Mark
Vaughan's set. The Ann Arbor's steam/early diesel era Wabash-style
freight car lettering schemes with 14 inch high letters were
characterized by two styles of "R" characters. If you have Volume 2 of
Ted Culotta's journal containing my article about AA box cars, there is
a discussion of the differences (along with many photographs of box cars
illustrating the differences). The difference may seem to be one of
nuance from a distance, particularly to one unfamiliar with AA rolling
stock.

Based on my significant study of AA cars, I can say that most
photographs of the AA USRA hoppers show the "modified" R, while most, if
not all photographs of the AA War Emergency composite hoppers have the
"Standard" R. The AA only had 25 of the panel side hoppers, and the
photographic record of them is meager (I've seen 2 photos, only 1
showing the entire car). There is one good photo from Bob's Photos that
shows a rather beat up car near the end of its career, with metal
patches on the panel sides. If my recollections are correct, it has the
"Modified" R lettering style (I don't presently have access to my
photos, so must hedge here). I would really like to see a photo of an
"as-built" AA panel-side car. They were built by the Wabash, and it
wouldn't surprise if they were delivered with the "Standard" R lettering
like the composite cars.

At any rate, my comment in the previous post about the Mark Vaughan
lettering being correct for the AA War Emergency cars stems from the
fact that his set contains ONLY the "Standard" R style Ann Arbor road
name lettering. To my knowledge, there is not any currently available
set with the "modified' R, so strictly speaking, the options in multiple
scales from CDS, Mark Vaughan (HO), Overland (O), etc. have never
included the correct style for the most common variants of AA USRA and
panel hoppers. Ditto most of the AA single sheathed box cars.
Accurail has the road name style correct on their single sheathed
"stand-in" for an AA 73750-series box car, though that car should have
Hutchins ends.

I should emphasize that the vernacular of "Standard" vs. "Modified" R is
entirely my concoction to describe the photographic record, and I've
never seen any company records that document changes in stencils, and
the available stenciling diagrams make no mention of it either.

That may be more than you care to know about the lettering habits of the
AA while under Wabash control, but I hope it is of some help with your
modeling.

Kind regards, Rob Adams

On 7/2/10 8:11 AM, Bruce Smith wrote:

On 7/1/10 9:41 PM, Lawrence Rast wrote:
Any suggestions on decals for such a project?
On Jul 1, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Rob Adams replied:
In HO scale, Mark Vaughan has a nice set (Set #CC) of decals for
Wabash
open hoppers that includes one car's worth of lettering and reporting
marks for Ann Arbor hoppers. It includes the correct style of "R" for
the AA War Emergency hoppers. CDS also makes a nice set of transfers
specifically for the AA War Emergency hoppers. It is their set #490,
with a prefix specific to the scale
Rob,

I'm glad Larry asked! I was planning on using the leftover pieces of
the decals I got with Stan R's Wabash/Ann Arbor panel sided hopper.
I'm doing that as Wabash since the AA seems to have had very few of
those cars. I'll have to look at that set and see if the "R" is
correct... what should I be looking for?

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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InterMountain HO USRA Composite Gons

Paul Hillman
 

I was looking through the InterMountain kits at the local hobby shop and found their HO USRA Composite Gondolas, and just had to get one. The interior detail looks quite excellent. I've always liked gondola interiors and the IM detail looks really nice. (Actual composite, wood & 'plastic')

I got a CB&Q car with a 1-19 build date. I'd guess several roads still had these cars on the roster in 1950?

One question though about painting / staining the wooden interior. It looks like there is some steel strapping on the car floor, 2 on each drop-door and 2 small, steel straps over each bolster? Were there any other metal parts in the floor?

I haven't located any color photos of car's interiors.

Thanks, Paul Hillman


Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

water.kresse@...
 

Is this why the second repeat of the clinic presentation at Naperville gets better attendance?  . . . . Friday's is considered a rehearsal?



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----
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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2010 10:25:56 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

Bruce, beings this show is about modeling I need to add the stuff as I do it. Like throwing photos in a file. I have taken the time to arrange each topic tho.

Problem I have is by doing this when I'm enthused I forget stuff I want to talk about or lack the passion when it is finally time to show it....

I might add some freight car stuff to make my emails here lagit  :  )
Clark Propst





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Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bruce Smith writes:

Really? That's the first meet of this type that I've ever heard of
that has asked for the complete clinic before deciding that you can
give it! I usually have an idea for a clinic, and then, if it is
accepted, I put the clinic together. Unfortunately, Joe's approach
will likely result in more repeat clinics and less new stuff.
Which fits well with the clinic I did on bashing a P2K 0-8-0 into a C&O C-16 at Cocoa Beach a few yrs ago. I used the Bruce Smith concept...in fact I used Bruce himself. Bruce took never seen by me slides out of an unopened box and placed them in the slide tray as I was talking. Talk about Real Time...

Mike Brock...CEO of laid back Prototype Rails


Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

Clark Propst
 

Bruce, beings this show is about modeling I need to add the stuff as I do it. Like throwing photos in a file. I have taken the time to arrange each topic tho.

Problem I have is by doing this when I'm enthused I forget stuff I want to talk about or lack the passion when it is finally time to show it....

I might add some freight car stuff to make my emails here lagit : )
Clark Propst


Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Bruce,
I talked with Joe last fall at Naperville about a clinic, and he asked for a copy of the cd and a copy of the handout after we established a topic. And he was in no particular rush for either.
I think you've arrived at a wrong conclusion about the process.
Pierre Oliver


Really? That's the first meet of this type that I've ever heard of
that has asked for the complete clinic before deciding that you can
give it! I usually have an idea for a clinic, and then, if it is
accepted, I put the clinic together. Unfortunately, Joe's approach
will likely result in more repeat clinics and less new stuff.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

Bruce Smith
 

Clark,

Thanks for the clarification... Dang, your organized. I usually come up with a title and then forget about it until about 2 weeks prior to the meet, when I go into production mode <G>. I once told a professor of mine that "I do my best work under pressure". He replied that "...its not a fair comparison if you don't give the alternative a try!"

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:35 AM, rockroll50401 wrote:

I gave him an outline of what I wanted to do and he accepted that.

I've been working on this thing for months...year, so mine's 75% done, or close enough of a preview.

Clark Propst


Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar, October 21-24 2010

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Yes, that is not what we did at the WPM when I was in charge of it. I would
take people's suggestions as to who might be a good clinician, and then ask
them if they'd like to give one, and leave the topic to them. Most were
excellent, and I trusted the clinicians to do something topical to the event
and of interest to the attendees>

Elden Gatwood

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Smith
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 9:23 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 17th Annual Naperville Prototype Modelers Seminar,
October 21-24 2010




On Jul 2, 2010, at 8:15 AM, rockroll50401 wrote:

Bill,
Last Nov I sent an email to Joe inquiring about doing a clinic. His
reply was that he wanted a copy of the clinic and handout. I responded
with the question of what format and where to send it.
Never received a reply.
Yesterday on receiving the reservation request I emailed again to see
what was up. Adding the name and jist of the clinic. He replied this
morning. Again saying he wants a CD of the show. Address is on the
invite.
Really? That's the first meet of this type that I've ever heard of that has
asked for the complete clinic before deciding that you can give it! I usually
have an idea for a clinic, and then, if it is accepted, I put the clinic
together. Unfortunately, Joe's approach will likely result in more repeat
clinics and less new stuff.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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